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[childoftheking]

I also see slang used to downgrade the Holy Scriptures in new versions. Instead of bringing ourselves up to meet and understand the higher standards there is always people to bring down the standards to their lever that people will follow.

The same was been said by the clergy when the King James and other versions of the Bible were printed in the language of the people in place of the Latin and Greek versions. It all depends on what you feel you are higher levels and whether you think others are lower. I think you are speaking of "the establishment" as we used to say in the 70s. You may mean the privileged class with power and money rather than the common person. Remember that in Jesus's day he saw the difference in social classes a little differently.

The way I see it is that we can let our egos be deflated a tad and get to know each other as we are or else continue to wear "the emperor's new clothes" and let others see that we think more highly of ourselves and the particular culture we aspire to be part of than we ought.

[Habanero]

IMO, if fear, loathing, suspicion, praise, love, trust, distrust and lots of other things are based largely on race then there is a problem with racism, no matter what a person's race may be. There is no race of people who are exempt from being racist. It is a problem that has existed in every part of the world, with every race of people as far back as recorded history goes. Democrats, Republicans, Socialists, Communists, Green Party, Neo-Nazis, Black Panthers, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, and every other group have practiced racism (still do) and accused their oppositions groups of using it. Every group has been oppressed, and every group has oppressed.

[princessdi]

First, In every race there are some smarter then others. 2nd, Your ancestors were slaves. Yes, over 100 years ago. Were you a slave? NO. Did your  parents or ancestors fight states rights? yes. Did the win? yes.  Did whites fight for you? yes  Did you have to fight it? NO. Did Republicans fight for race? yes! Have you studied to see what Democrats actually did to you? The way I see it. No! Do they help you now or deceive and use you to keep some blacks where they are? Yes! It takes a little study to see how they do that!   It is over. But for the revenger's it is not! (3.)  White Christian ancestors were burned at the stake over a 100 years ago. Did that happen likewise in our generation?  NO. Did black and white fight for the freedom of rights and religious freedom in ww1 and ww2 yes  4. Were the Jews slaves in past generations? Yes. Do they use that for racism now? No. 5. The smart blacks realized back then and now that all men are equal and go on with their meek and mild spirits of trying to be useful in society under belief in God in where ever he puts us in all situations and races. That is where the education and smarts end for these people that think they have to take up the plight for their ancestors. A true Christian makes no difference in the color of skin. It is not us making the difference any longer. Many, Many white people have worked for equality and you just do not let it happen. That is the black problem. My friends realize that and people like you don't. The racism comes not from white in this year and this time like the ancestors. We live now and now is not then and EGW states that prejudice will probably not end until the end and that is because Satan uses it as a tool now and in the past. The past belongs in the past.  Even EGW understood and some of her money she sent to help the black pastors.  So when you can forget the color you will get well.

I am not sure why you believe that I am ignorant of facts.  I am so aware of them, that I can recognize racism in all it's subtlies.  It's part of life for some of us.  We know it when we see it. I understand very well, that it parties have changed places, as it were as far as race relations are concerned.  It is common knowledge that it was indeed the Democratic party who were the racist in the beginning.

Yes they do, If they understand it in a Christian way. Most do not get past the past and that nails them into no unity.

Racism, indeed, will not end until Jesus comes, as He was here when he arrived in Bethlehem.  The Christian way, meaning that blacks are always inferior and subordinate to whites......IOW, "they know their place".  Once again, Gurl please!  Ooops!  Sorry about my including a few slang terms in my reponse.  I really enjoy venturing into all the various language/dialects, etc.  Just know that it means that I really don't take anything you say that serious, because I know what is behind it.   Been there, done that!  Got the t-shirt, cap and mug!  

It is obvious that you believe others should work for you or others when they won't work for themselves.

The Republican point of view is Bibical. But all republicans are not Christians but their view is based on

I believe that there are times that everybody needs a little help.  Sure there are always lazy folks, I gots a couple in my own upper middle class family.  I am sure there are a few in yours, also.  However, that doesn't mean you don't help anybody.

The republican party as it stands today promotes, hatred, greed, and selfishness.  While those qualities are in the Bible, I would not exactly call them biblical.
  

This last phrase brings this help down to individuality for God to judge. This does not say poor blacks or poor whites. God will judge us on individual basis on how we gave to help. How his people the church respond NOT THE GOVERNMENT.  Nowhere does this say that America will be judged as a Nation on how they gave through forceful government that forced the people to give until they were made to be in the majority of the poor. The poor forced, giving to the poor. Think about it.

Democrats view is not Bibical. The above verse is telling you how it should have been.

As I said the republican view point is selfish....I got mine own, you get your own.....Please!  Government FOR the people...BY the people.  That is not what God told us to do, it is the type of governemental system we have.  Once again, yes there are abusers of the system, however, they are a very visble exception, not the rule.  I have no problem with you using hte Bible, as anyone can use the it to support this view. I can throw a few out at you, but why?  What would it accomplish?    

Here is where I draw the line on lack of Bibical knowledge as we are instructed. I agree that many are not concerned to take a stand on any party but this is the reason I do. I am part of society, part of a country, protected by the sacrifice of men and women that I am proud of in the past years and this is why I believe that some low taxes are ok to help society for roads, and upkeep of a nation, just like the upkeep of church. I live here and will not under any conditions make the soldiers of freedom that died and I walk upon the earth of their dust change the Bibical view of what they fought for. I have no time to convince closed uneducated views of racism in the hearts of ones that keep it going and give up all reason just to put a certain race in office. Now that is ludicrous.

 

And just for the record, i would not have voted for Condi, just as I didn't vote for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton when they ran.  Condi, well I don't agree with her politics,..........

Her education must have intimidated you!

Now, I left my quote up for this one, becuase in your rush to justify, you cut off the reason why I said I didn't vote for Condi.  She is a republican, I don't agree with her politics, even though I do celebrate and admire her as a very intellignet and accomplished black woman.  It is ok if her and I don't agree and if we differ in political views.  It really is.  In fact, I am reading her book.  I am as proud of her as I am President Obama.

However, your attempts to insult me that were sprinkled throught your posts were not lost.  In essence, all blacks who agree with your point of view are intelligent and those who don't aren't.  I would respectfully ask you to refrain. I have made no references to you personally, your educational level, etc.  Neither would I.  We are discussing our opinions, points of views.  We can disagree without being disageeable.  
 
You and these late generation were never a slave and now you have the point.

However, my great grandmother was, and I would be remiss as her great granddaughter in whom she took pride if I did not remember our hisotry in order to improve our future.  If this "late generation" keeps bringing up slavery, it is becuase whites have not moved far enough past it to make us forget.  Racism does not ocntinue to exist because these late generations" remembers, but because your "late generations" continue their racist beliefs and actions.

Now, I will tell you that many blacks do feel as though he ought to take a little revenge, but you know I tell them different, especially if they are Christians.  Two wrongs never make a right, and vengance belongs to God He allowed those men to be president because he sets up kingdoms and takes them down.  Out of our relationship to Him, we owe them the respect of that office.

that is exactly my point, you made my case right here and now! They have been trained by parents of the same view like you

Once again, I inlcuded my full statement.  Why would you conclude that I was trained by my parents to want to take vengance, when my statement says exactly opposite?  Read and respond to the entire statement, Tinka.  You might have seen that at least in this one point, we were in agreement.

an other point,  seems you do not except the American English language either

Gurl, don't hate, jes, cuz you aint' bi-lingual!  LOL!!!  Just teasing, Tinka.  I am sorry if I confused you by including a little slang in my post.

I just want to say one more thing, when I first came on here I saw somewhere the worst posting of horrible same language coming from BSDA talk that I think I ever heard out of someone by the name of I want to say "Leon" but no maybe that is not the name. If not Leon do not take offense. It was absolutely appalling, I would have to go back an make sure but I would know it if I heard it again. It has slipped my mind but that is an example of why there is racism.

I don't know Leon......and as you know, I am an Admin at BSDA.  However, I will tell you this, a good deal of slang(some Ebonics, for lack of a better word, and some from other cultures, as we are international) is used in many posts.  Not becuase we are uneducated, but mostly to lighten things up.  It's kind of like being bi-lingual!  Someone who was truly ignorant of the English language would not be familiar enough with the rules of grammar to break them with such ease.  

So, let me get this striaght, you say that the fact that this Leon posted a post that was so full of incorrect English is an example of why there is racism.  You are really saying that the fact you deem that black folks hae not grasp the knowledge and use of the English language is a reason for you to discriminate?  You mean the English language our ancestors were forbidden to learn,on pain of death, they only needed to know enough to comprehend commands from the slave master?  Once again, Gurl please!   LOL!!!  You are so funny!  

I guess folks are right when they say I like a good arguement.  I most likely should have been on the debate team in school.  Well, this has been fun.  Tinka, you are confirmation that I need to remain prayeful.  I know you will probably repsond to this post, but I again ask you to stick to the facts.  You have already insulted me and my parents(neither of whom you know from a can of paint), and I will let that go this time, but not again.My point to you is that political and life views are racist.  I am sure you are kind, gentle and wonderful person to those who know and love you.  I am sure that also includes black people who "know their place".   Most importantly, you are a Child of God, and my relationship with Him requires that I love you with His unconditional love as my sister(or brother, ya' never know    ) in Christ.  

[princessdi]

This is very true, My Friend!  Long time so see!  HUGS!!

IMO, if fear, loathing, suspicion, praise, love, trust, distrust and lots of other things are based largely on race then there is a problem with racism, no matter what a person's race may be. There is no race of people who are exempt from being racist. It is a problem that has existed in every part of the world, with every race of people as far back as recorded history goes. Democrats, Republicans, Socialists, Communists, Green Party, Neo-Nazis, Black Panthers, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, and every other group have practiced racism (still do) and accused their oppositions groups of using it. Every group has been oppressed, and every group has oppressed.

[tinka]

Princessdi,
I am not trying to make excuse because of age or experience for my opinions and lack of getting my thoughts across. All that I know for sure is that we are told that prejudice is not going to enter the gates. That is my total argument. Yes, I know it is all over the world now as I see on tv of which we did not have so much tv growing up to know still a problem. My back ground is this. Growing up secluded rual I never came into contact with different race. I saw them in Larger city when visiting grandmother. I never went to grade school, high school or beyond where different race attended to get to know there was any difference. In fact growing up I was taught only that all men are equal. That was all I knew and never ever a problem. I went to church and still never had contact. My children all went to school basically the same.
Now into business later is how contact began. With the upbringing  Never was there prejudice in my mind. I have come into contact with some of the best people that are not even of my faith. They and I have the same unity feeling which is very special to me.  In my early years I find in reading EGW all the background of the North and the South. In school I learned the background that made me so sad. My learning growing up was nothing but sorrowful feelings what happened my husband the same. I like the feeling of unity and loath bringing up any racism. And yet I might be naive to think that whites maybe think like me. Somehow I do and feel at times the Black race is still fighting thinking they are still in slavery from what I read. I think the first thing that made me realize division was years ago when the words "Black America"  What was wrong with just "America"  Now it is also with in the church. Right up front I am against this division!  Who did this division?  I know the good feeling that solves the problem and am delighted the Lord lets me have that. I know it is right. I will not except this racism theory when I know it will not enter the gates. It is wonderful for sides to except the time we are living in now with all behind. I can say that never have I felt to be a better human than anyone else as I know how we all came about. I am a beliver. Why would I have racism believing that all men are equal. I give high static when people use it and make division. A feeling of unity is wonderful and hate it when difference is made.  Guess I always try to think I might get a little heaven here on earth. To be very truthful of the matter is why I realized that OBAMA used and depended on this theory feeling of the majority of the black race to put him in when in my own political views they will suffer worse in the end.  The truth is just around the corner. I am not sure you will understand here again of what I am trying to say. I also realize I am not the best communicator, but I do not miss a lick in other's words or reading. Sometimes too my fingers keep flying while my mind is thinking faster and sometimes I go back and think Hmm, how did I say that? All I know is that it will be over in heaven and just why could not that happen a little here. That is what I have with my friends.  This is my stand! And they are free from this tool of Satan too.

[tinka]

Some one just sent me this and I know it has been around for a while but look at the new ending!!

You don't want to miss this!
VERY INTERESTING-
 
1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq
2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq
, was the cradle of civilization!
 
3.
Noah built the ark in Iraq
4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq
5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!
6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq !
7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq
8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq
9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel
10. Amos cried out in Iraq!
11 Babylon , which is in Iraq , destroyed Jerusalem
12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq !
13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq
(Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery Furnace!)
14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the 'writing on the wall' in Iraq
15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq
16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq
...
17. The wise men were from Iraq
..
18. Peter preached in Iraq
.
 
19. The 'Empire of Man' described in Revelation is called Babylon,
Which was a city in Iraq !
And you have probably seen this one: Israel is the nation most often
Mentioned in the Bible.
 
But do
You know which nation is second?
 
It is Iraq !
However,
That is not the name that is used in the Bible.
 
 
The
Names used in the Bible are Babylon , Land of Shinar
, and Mesopotamia
... The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris And Euphrates Rivers .
 
 
The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.
Indeed Iraq
Is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.
No other nation, except Israel
, has more history and prophecy associated
 
With it than Iraq
And also, This is something to think about:
Since America is
Typically represented by an eagle.
 
 
Saddam
Should have read up on his Muslim passages
...
The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)
 
Koran
( 9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle.. The wrath of the
Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah;
 
And there was peace.
 
(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! Bush represented the Eagle if this is correct

[Snoopy]

This discussion really has nothing to do with 3ABN, so I am moving it to the General Discussions subforum.

[Bob Pickle]

tinka, that about Koran 9:11 was a prank. The real Surah 9:11 of the Koran reads something like this:

"But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practice regular charity, —they are your brethren in Faith: (Thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand."

[tinka]

tinka, that about Koran 9:11 was a prank. The real Surah 9:11 of the Koran reads something like this:

"But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practice regular charity, —they are your brethren in Faith: (Thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand."

Bob,
I wondered about the ending for sure and said (if) correct but very glad you brought that out. It was an adventist that sent it to me and I usually do not forward that type of mail but figured I would soon know about (IF correct) one way or the other. Thank You much for correct facts.  I really did think it was more interesting when EGW in V.9 brought out New York. Now that was for real.

[princessdi]

This is something I could have told you, actually, Tinka.  You were told all men were equal because you really didn't come into contact with anyone your parents thought were not equal.  So they didn't really worry about telling you the rest.  However,  somewhere along the line, you did pick up all of the racist buzz words, phrases, and attitudes.  Also the sterotypes.  Now they only apply to those blacks who you don't know, becuase the ones you know "are not like ALL the "others.  They seem so angry", and you take very opportunity to tell them that. The gratefully reply, "Thank you Miss/Mr. Tinka!".    Now you don't have to answer this question, but does that last phrase( or any variantion) in quotes sound familiar to you?  Purely, rhetorical, so please dont' post an answer.  Just something to make you go, "hmmmm....."

The problem is when you disenfranchise an entire segment of your country's population for so long, there is s split.  Unfortunately, when these rifts are in their healing process the majority/ruling class, don't mind when thing s favor their segment, but have a huge problem when the those who have been disenfranchised start" gaining ground" so to speak.   Tinka, you, and others, are spelling out doom and gloom, and nearly armageoden because we just after 200+ years nominated a black(half black) president who is a democrat(which I believe is convenient to your argument, but not nearly as much of a problem as his racial persuassion).  Now we just had a lily white president from TX, card carring member of the Good ole boy Network, and he just nearly flushed the entire country down the toilet, and that is alright with you.   The USA is a great country, but for far too long we have resembled the "Animal Farm"..............." all animals are created equal, but some more equal than others".  Time out for that now.   

Now I think a definition of racism will be helpful here.  ALL people can be prejudice, but only those in power over others can exercise racism.  For the entire history of he US, the ruling class has been caucasian men, and form the beginning they were racist( and sexist) in their policies.  It took a war to end slavery,  a 30+ year particularly violent movement including the death of of countless blacks and MLK to even begin to address civil rights, and another huge movement to get women's rights.  We still have issues with civil(race) and women's issues today.  There is still wide spead discrimination and glass celings in the work place.   

Now having said that.  right Black people pretty much united and voted for a black president.         good!  You should not see that as a problem because white people have united to vote for a white president for 43 presidents.  Why is it when the black people come out to vote for one of their own, there is a problem?  In fact, no matter what party won before now, they were still going to be white(even Clinton)..............Oh but now, there is a huge problem and you perceive that black people employed the race card.......Well, up until now, white folks have held ALL the cards.  We used one( you perceive), and you have a problem.  Now, we are the purveyors of racism.  Yeah right.

When you can tell me why in the Land of the free, and home of the brave and total equality for ALL men, we have never before now had a black, asian, woman, or any other than a white male for President in 200+years, then maybe some of these arguments you have will have some merit, Tinka.  Until then, they are meaningless.

Princessdi,
I am not trying to make excuse because of age or experience for my opinions and lack of getting my thoughts across. All that I know for sure is that we are told that prejudice is not going to enter the gates. That is my total argument. Yes, I know it is all over the world now as I see on tv of which we did not have so much tv growing up to know still a problem. My back ground is this. Growing up secluded rual I never came into contact with different race. I saw them in Larger city when visiting grandmother. I never went to grade school, high school or beyond where different race attended to get to know there was any difference. In fact growing up I was taught only that all men are equal. That was all I knew and never ever a problem. I went to church and still never had contact. My children all went to school basically the same.

[princessdi]

Just to show you that I don't mind giving credit where credit is due.....Lookie what y'all did today.....

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/30/rnc.chairman/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


Congratulations!!! 

[tinka]

This is something I could have told you, actually, Tinka.  You were told all men were equal because you really didn't come into contact with anyone your parents thought were not equal. (you could not be more wrong, and I am so thankful I was not taught this bunch of malarkie. World war 2 veterans coming home put us in a housing area of their choice for veterans in rural area and then moved in rural house short time later in same area.)  So they didn't really worry about telling you the rest. (Tell us the rest of what!!!!! and for what reason?? Our parents teaching us Hate like that!! What in the world are you saying. You just defined your upbringing) However,  somewhere along the line, you did pick up all of the racist buzz words, phrases, and attitudes.  Also the sterotypes. (Not really, until way older. are you meaning coming from white or black? I can tell only what I do remember and somehow I think it all started when the men came home from the service or just from the black race(time of slavery). What I remember is this. As jokes told I heard people called names of all races like polock, wops, hunky, hilbilly and yes the N word, but never did I consider them hate words but bad slang that we could do without. In fact, because my own father was killed my husband never knew what my maiden name was until he found out after we were married. HE was in shock and the whole family about died laughing at him. Now we can truthfully say he is from the South and I am from the North. That slang all seems to now be gone with the years. Except for ONE..Who uses that slang word on each other now? Unless these evil white supremist keep it going and that is because they are idiots.  Now they only apply to those blacks who you don't know, (this is only your surmising theory of what is not true in my own mind and most white race) becuase the ones you know are not like ALL the "others. (white or black all have different levels of education) They seem so angry", and you take very opportunity to tell them that. ( Never run up against such stuff until I came on here and am in shock that a true SDA believes this way. Did you hear what I said not Black SDA but SDA!!! Not Black America but all America!!)  The gratefully reply, "Thank you Miss/Mr. Tinka!". (This is sick and are you trying to tell me that all the race thinks this way??)    Now you don't have to answer this question, but does that last phrase ( or any variantion) in quotes sound familiar to you?  Purely, rhetorical, so please dont' post an answer.  Just something to make you go, "hmmmm....." EGW was totaly right again that prejudice will be to the end. How sad.
The problem is when you disenfranchise an entire segment of your country's population for so long, there is s split. (So do you still feel this split is for good progress in the future?? and yes I feel that many whites feel like I do that great injustice has been done and have worked very hard for no split but what I am saying the change is going to have to take place under the life we all live in now. Not going over the past. Your communication has been quite interesting as I realize if you are talking for the whole race, change to even christian unity seems impossible) Unfortunately, when these rifts are in their healing process the majority/ruling class, don't mind when thing s favor their segment, but have a huge problem when the those who have been disenfranchised start" gaining ground" so to speak. (this is your own surmizing and comes from your "eternal split" in just being American and choosing what is best for "the people" instead of what is best for the whites and what is best for blacks.)   Tinka, you, and others, are spelling out doom and gloom, and nearly armageoden because we just after 200+ years nominated a black(half black) president who is a democrat(which I believe is convenient to your argument, but not nearly as much of a problem as his racial persuassion). (This president elected by the huge help of Acorn has nothing to do with the coming of armageoden unless he heads America into the phophcy that is called for and so far his agenda is leaning to"Socialism". When that happens there will be no "freedom" left for anyone and ya all will get your handout of what ever they choose that they think is best. we will see)  Now we just had a lily white (lily white, your RACISM is showing again) president from TX, card carring member of the Good ole boy Network, and he just nearly flushed the entire country down the toilet, and that is alright with you. (I do not agree with all that he let happen, In fact the liberal kept him from finishing the job as he tried to do. He should not have listened to them.)  The USA is a great country, but for far too long we have resembled the "Animal Farm"..............." (WE HAVE?? ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHITE PRESIDENTS??) all animals are created equal, but some more equal than others".  Time out for that now.   TIME IS SHORT FOR CHANGE

Now I think a definition of racism will be helpful here.  ALL people can be prejudice, but only those in power over others can exercise racism.  For the entire history of he US, the ruling class has been caucasian men, and form the beginning they were racist( and sexist) in their policies.  It took a war to end slavery,  a 30+ year particularly violent movement including the death of of countless blacks and MLK to even begin to address civil rights, and another huge movement to get women's rights.  We still have issues with civil(race) and women's issues today.  There is still wide spead discrimination and glass celings in the work place.   (And sorry to say it will never change with this amazing cancer of the mind.)

Now having said that.  right Black people pretty much united and voted for a black president.         good!  You should not see that as a problem because white people have united to vote for a white president for 43 presidents.  Why is it when the black people come out to vote for one of their own, there is a problem?  In fact, no matter what party won before now, they were still going to be white(even Clinton)..............Oh but now, there is a huge problem and you perceive that black people employed the race card.......Well, up until now, white folks have held ALL the cards.  We used one( you perceive), and you have a problem. (yes, with Acorn and if you were a true christian you would have found problem with that too but now you claim "We used one") Now, we are the purveyors of racism.  Yeah right. And that is my point exactly of what happened. You made this truth!  No reasoning if this man will actually help all poor white or black with his agenda. It would be wonderful if he did and I would be the first to state it if I saw it. But if he does what do you think the "liberal" will do to him?? My daughter works in high professional area and now they claim it is the "Black House" or Obama House!  Do you realize it is the "peoples house".
When you can tell me why in the Land of the free, and home of the brave and total equality for ALL men, we have never before now had a black, asian, woman, or any other than a white male for President in 200+years, then maybe some of these arguments you have will have some merit, Tinka. ( I am not sure he has American ideas and not sure 100 per cent he is American) Until then, they are meaningless.  At the beginning of all this there was no doubt that anything I said would mean anything to you what so ever. but it was quite interesting to me to be able to bring out from your own conversation, just how and where the RACISM lies and how the great split lives on. I leave on here with a clear conscience and sorry it can not change for all. Oh, by the way they just elected the best man for the chair of the Republican Party, Mike Steel, YES,

Princessdi,

I am not trying to make excuse because of age or experience for my opinions and lack of getting my thoughts across. All that I know for sure is that we are told that prejudice is not going to enter the gates. That is my total argument. Yes, I know it is all over the world now as I see on tv of which we did not have so much tv growing up to know still a problem. My back ground is this. Growing up secluded rual I never came into contact with different race. I saw them in Larger city when visiting grandmother. I never went to grade school, high school or beyond where different race attended to get to know there was any difference. In fact growing up I was taught only that all men are equal. That was all I knew and never ever a problem. I went to church and still never had contact. My children all went to school basically the same.

[Habanero]

IMO people will find that the president is neither black nor white, he is an office. The people who count on a black president will be sorely disappointed and so will the people who fear a black president. He is just another politician who comes with his own set of good and bad like every president before. Like EACH one of them he bring some good to us, and he will also harm us. It is just the nature of politicians and what they do. I wish his success in the good he brings, and I wish him failure in the harm he brings.

IMO the rhetoric flying back and forth accusing Democrats of trying to sell out the country, and the Republicans of legislating as racists is absurb beyond belief. There are Republicans and Democrats selling out the country, there are Republicans and Democrats legislating as racists, and there are plenty of both white and black racists everywhere you look. In Creole we have a proverb that says, "Weh pot cuss kittle, God laugh." The pots and kettles are sure going at it.

[Fran]

Very well said!

[tinka]

  Habanero,

As you can tell this kettle is not a fence straddler. I believe that we were put on this earth to use the very best choices we can make with the best education we have had, for the best for our brother, friends, family and all society because we live in it and take from it and no matter what-- we are not meant for a solidarity life and therefore, we were not put here with no responsibility to care one way or the other and be nonchalant in this world's dismay and destiny to anyone else. I strongly feel that many of us SDA's will lose eternity over worrying about our own perfections. Surely God used people to lead in right directions in all generations. Then turned around and used the bad pots for His purposes. There will always be one side of the fence or the other. It is worse to straddle. Does everyone really understand who the unjust are? (the ones that knew the faith, went to church, (the self perserving sort of thing) ,the ones that will have the most horror. V. 5) You are right about one thing. It makes no difference a president's skin color, but it does make a difference in his goals that he has for the people that God Loves. I am sure this will not go down as well said because I am a black and white person and state what I believe. Maybe it is even the wrong side of the fence to everyone else but God promised not for me to believe a lie if I did my part in the search for His truth. I also cannot really deny what you say in your post exactly how things are.