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[Bob Pickle]

"The agreement stipulates any Weimar property sold must be reinvested in the Weimar vision."

"If this merger goes through, part of the agreement is that Amazing Facts buy more adjacent property for the development of the program."

If the agreement calls for the sale of Weimar land, why does the agreement call for AF to buy more land?

In other words, if they are planning on reducing the acreage, why are they planning on increasing the acreage?

[Bob Pickle]

Here's questions I posted on the Weimar Yahoo Group site:
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Re: More Weimar/Afacts Details

Quite helpful, but it raises again a question I've had:

> Rumor- "The Church has now taken over Weimar."
> The facts. Weimar will remain a separate entity operating under
> it's original 501(c) (3) non profit corporation. The members of the
> Amazing Facts board will be added to five members of the existing
> Weimar board. ... Amazing Facts is organizationally connected
> with The Northern California Conference but is led by it's own
> independent constituency and board.

So does that mean that Amazing Facts will no longer be
organizationally connected to the Northern Calif. Conf.? And no longer
have the large, independent constituency it now has?

The proposed merger with 3ABN would have taken Amazing Facts out of
the denomination. The new organization was to have a new constituency,
which sounded good, since the 3ABN Board needs to be accountable to
someone. But then Danny Shelton said on ClubAdventist that they had
asked the ASI Missions, Inc. board to serve as the new constituency,
which meant that the merger would cause Amazing Facts to lose its
large constituency, and the board of the huge and powerful combined
ministry would answer to a rather small group of people.

For what it's worth, the constituency of ASI Missions, Inc. (of which
Harold Lance is the president), is the nine or so member ASI Executive
Committee. Not a lot of accountability for an organization that has so
much power through whom it funds and doesn't fund.

Now if the merger of AF with Weimar would mean that AF would leave the
denomination and lose its large constituency, like what the merger
with 3ABN would have done, I wonder if Harold Lance (since he
presumably was involved with both AF merger attempts) could comment
for us and tell us if this is just a coincidence or if it is part of
some sort of plan behind the scenes.

If the Weimar/AF merger would mean that AF would leave the
denomination and lose its constituency, how does the present AF
constituency feel about that?

Another question that still remains, even after the explanation below,
is whether the potential reimbursing of on-paper expenditures would be
offset or reduced by income, and whether the on-paper expenditures
would only include actual expenses paid out.

Bob

[Bob Pickle]

And:
________________________________

Re: More Weimar/Afacts Details

One other question:

> "Whenever it is possible to have a school and a sanitarium near
> enough together for helpful co-operation between the two institutions,
> and yet separated sufficiently to prevent one from interfering with
> the work of the other, let them be located so as to carry on their
> work in conjunction. One institution will give influence and strength
> to the other; and, too, money can be saved by both institutions,
> because each can share the advantages of the other." SpTB11 11.3

"... helpful co-operation between the two institutions, and yet
separated sufficiently to prevent one from interfering with the work
of the other ...."

Does this God-given counsel, the only counsel quoted below, mean that
Weimar and AF should in fact remain separate entities? If so, does the
proposed merger ensure that they remain separate entities in harmony
with this counsel?

Bob

[Bob Pickle]

I'm not trying to cause trouble. I'm not against ministries being independent like Weimar or being part of the church like AF. Probably wouldn't be asking any questions at all if it weren't for the 3ABN thing, the attempted merger last year between AF and 3ABN, and our involvement with Harold Lance a year ago and more.

By the way, I recently noticed another discrepancy in Harold Lance's January 24, 2007, statement. He said that Gailon was unknown to ASI leadership prior to October 2006. Yet Gailon had publicized a letter written by the father of one of those ASI leaders by the previous March 5.

[Bob Pickle]

More clarification:
__________________

Hey Group,

I thought I knew, but I just wanted to check before I pass this on....

Under the current proposal, Amazing Facts would retain its current
status with the conference and the constituency would remain the same.

It is also my understand that Weimar's bylaws would remain the same,
but perhaps someone from the Weimar board would like to comment on
that...

Douglas

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

ANy response from the Amazing Facts Chairman of the board yet?

The real question is, are they open and transparent or closed and extremely frosty?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Gregory]

I have not recieved any response from the President of the Northern California Conference.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

And so, how do we read the silence? Is it administrative arrogance? Is it, I don't have any idea? What does it mean?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Daryl Fawcett]

Just a note to let you all know that I had accidently merged this topic with another topic and had to unmerge them again, however, all is hopefully unmerged OK now.

[Daryl Fawcett]

The only problem that I can see is that it has thrown the viewing statictics out of whack.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Oh, no!! I smell a motion for injunctive relief coming!!! Maybe even a class action suite against the webmaster for gross misrepresentation of numerical data.

That is ok, we will defend you to the death!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Chrissie]

Oh, no!! I smell a motion for injunctive relief coming!!! Maybe even a class action suite against the webmaster for gross misrepresentation of numerical data.

That is ok, we will defend you to the death!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

Definitely 

[J.R. Layman]

"statictics out of whack" are always out of whack!