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Snoopy

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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2008, 08:00:05 PM »



I see that Elder Gilley signed and dated it 11/11/08, only four days before the last extension expired.  I'd love to know all the issues and discussion that went into the final product!

Oh for that annual report.  That will answer a lot more questions.


Do mistakes like these give you confidence that the organization is being managed in an efficient, competent manner? Or, what sort of explanation can be made for such errors? Why would they make such glaring mistakes?
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2008, 08:03:28 PM »


I think my new friends at the AG's office will be interested in that.

I maybe wouldn't have started this thread except for this: Jim Gilley signed his name as president and CEO on page 9, right under where it says, "Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have examined this return, including accompanying schedules and statements, and to the best of my knowledge and belief, it is true, correct, and complete."

The instructions for Part V-A state: "List each person who was a current officer, director, trustee, or key employee (defined below) of the organization or disregarded entity described in Regulations sections 301.7701-1 through 301.7701-3 at any time during the year even if they did not receive any compensation from the organization."

Under Part V 3ABN says to look at Statement 9. Turn to Statement 9 and Danny Shelton, not Jim Gilley, is listed as president! Jim Gilley isn't even listed as a director. Neither is Max Trevino, Garwin McNeilus, or Larry Romrell.

Anyone know what is going on? How could Jim Gilley sign the form as president when the form itself says that he isn't president, and that he isn't even a director? Or, how could they have gotten the list of board members wrong when the form wasn't signed until more than a year after Gilley came on board?
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2008, 09:08:54 PM »

I haven't had a chance to look at the whole filing in detail, but here are a few noteworthy items that caught my eye so far:


1.  2007 revenue was down $1.5M from 2006.

2.  In 2007, expenses exceeded revenue by $2.1M.  Remember - over $1M of that is legal fees.

3.  It appears that campmeeting expenses have been reclassified, as the "Camp Meeting" line item reflects a zero balance while a new expense line item called "Conferences, conventions and meetings" shows $17K.  Interesting to note that in 2006 over $37K was reported for camp meeting expenses, so if my reclassification assumption is correct, the cost of campmeeting dropped over 50% year-to-year.

4.  Their donations to other organizations dropped from $228K in 2006 to $125K in 2007.

5.  $74K was spent on "Miscellaneous" and another $23K on "Special Projects" in the management and general expense category...things that make an auditor want a LOT more info...


These are just some quick observations from the P&L.  I haven't had a chance to look at the balance sheet yet.


The file is too big to post here.  If anyone wants a copy I'll be happy to send it to you.

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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2008, 09:16:59 PM »


Did the $6 shower include soap, shampoo and towel, or just the facility and the water?


They can throw away more than $750,000 at two law firms in order to crush Joy and Pickle, but can't bring themselves to reimburse the ones they've persecuted for the travel expense of a $6 shower bought at a truck stop.

For $750,000 you can buy 125,000 people a shower at that truck stop.

Sounds like a good ADRA commercial, doesn't it?
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2008, 06:26:56 PM »

Go figure!   :oops:  Talk about conflict of interest!

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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2008, 07:05:16 PM »

Could that be that none of these people are any longer at 3ABN.  Maybe they jumped ship?  I saw Jim Gilley on several Christmas programs, but other than that I don't see him anymore!  CA Murray is taking the lead.  That might be a good move! 

I, for one, cannot see Max Trevino just sitting idle and doing nothing!  He is an accountant for goodness sake!

Regardless, they are clearly lying about something!  I would be pleased to find that they all have jumped ship!  If they have, I just gained a growing respect for them!

I maybe wouldn't have started this thread except for this: Jim Gilley signed his name as president and CEO on page 9, right under where it says, "Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have examined this return, including accompanying schedules and statements, and to the best of my knowledge and belief, it is true, correct, and complete."

The instructions for Part V-A state: "List each person who was a current officer, director, trustee, or key employee (defined below) of the organization or disregarded entity described in Regulations sections 301.7701-1 through 301.7701-3 at any time during the year even if they did not receive any compensation from the organization."

Under Part V 3ABN says to look at Statement 9. Turn to Statement 9 and Danny Shelton, not Jim Gilley, is listed as president! Jim Gilley isn't even listed as a director. Neither is Max Trevino, Garwin McNeilus, or Larry Romrell.
Anyone know what is going on? How could Jim Gilley sign the form as president when the form itself says that he isn't president, and that he isn't even a director? Or, how could they have gotten the list of board members wrong when the form wasn't signed until more than a year after Gilley came on board?
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2008, 07:21:39 PM »

Did the $6 shower include soap, shampoo and towel, or just the facility and the water?

Just the facility, water, and a towel.
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2008, 07:23:09 PM »

Could that be that none of these people are any longer at 3ABN.  Maybe they jumped ship?

The instructions clearly say that if someone has been an officer or director at any time during the year, they have to be reported.

That means that 3ABN filed incorrect answers to that question on returns for at least 2004, 2005, and 2007.

Or have a missed something?
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2008, 07:25:40 PM »

Here's the main part of the 2007 Form 990.
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2008, 07:32:08 PM »

And here's the rest of the 2007 Form 990.
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 09:30:57 PM »

Who prepared this form for the IRS?  I am fairly sure Jim Gilley didn't!  The fellow that keeps the records is Brian Hamilton.  ( Page 7; Part IV; #91 a)  Anybody know him?

Page 4, Part IV Balance Sheet Liabilities #64 b) MORTAGES and other notes payable; Balance @ the beginning of the year was $ 440.000.  The end of year balance was $ 30,000.  Something like $ 410,000 got paid.  When did Danny start building his new house?  Maybe the $30,000 is Danny's part?  Beats me.

I was disappointed to see that only $ 51,139 was used for accounting services. (Page 2; Part II; # 31) They really should have paid more!   Guess only high falutin lawyers are good at stealing funds from clients!  We accountants are so underpaid!  I made a lot more than that!

These lawyers really did not help Danny and 3ABN at all.  Do you think the dismissal had anything to do with the high legal fees seen in one lump sum?

I am still trying to figure out how Jim could sign the form as President when he is not even listed as an employee, director or even a board member, much less President!  However, the form says Danny is president.  Snoopy, please tell the AG ASAP!
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2008, 06:49:49 PM »

If you recall, we had good intelligence in May that there was a blow-up regrading the governance of 3ABN. Although we did not report it at the time, we were told by some sources that several directors had resigned when the governance did not go the way they seemed to believe it should go. We did not pursue the details at the time as we were quite busy with the spring offensive by 3ABN and the various reports regarding the true status of the IRS Investigation.

In fact, church sources seem to have been quite concerned regarding the governance issue and it seems to be the one issue that remains an open issue with the General Conference entities.

Therefore, this should not be a surprise to those close to the investigative process of the past three years. Now to unravel the truth and the implications and get the information to the stockholders in the pews!!!

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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2008, 08:21:30 PM »

Jim Gilley no longer appears in the credit roll before 3ABN Today.

If he and Trevino are really gone, I am going to rejoice!  The last I heard about him was that he had a triple bypass heart surgery.  Knowledge about the facts at 3ABN stressed him I am sure!  I have worried about him since I read that post! 

Max Trevino is a reputable leader!  He was the Union Treasurer when I first met him years ago.  He is exceptionally knowledgeable in non-profit accounting.  He does what is right!  I was wondering why he would accept such a position, and thought he may have accepted it in the first place because of Jim Gilley.

I wonder what they did to get Gilley to sign that 990!  Maybe it was done this way to keep the blame from pointing to Danny?  If that is the case, that pony won't ride!

But, most of all, I will rejoice if Garwin McNeilus left of his free will!  However, could he have been fired?  We know that Fjarli had the stroke, so is he out of the picture also, or is he listed there because he is no longer able to cause problems!  Why is the IL Conference President still there?

It looks like Walt and a few others are going to follow Danny right over the cliff!

Gailon, did this all happen when everyone at 3ABN got to listen to the Brenda Walsh telephone conversation?  I am lost right now in my time line with the exact date of the phone call.  I got my copy after the fact.  That phone call should have hit the board right in the face!  Especially when Bob got the Airline information to prove Brenda was a huge liar!

Give us an update on what you find out!
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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2008, 02:53:26 PM »

My information at the time indicated that the Board took up the issue of Governance at 3ABN and it is the point that we were told that Danny clung to power by a single vote. Given the history of politics in Illinois, it does not surprise me that Danny lee Shelton would would be brazen enough to cling to power despite being caught with his hands in the proverbial till.

However, there were also reports on governance and the proposals relating to the governance issue that were reported to the board. Whether the reported resignations came following the faailure to remove Danny Lee Shelton or simply over the question of the future governance of 3ABN is not clear...YET!!! But then, we did not pursue it at the time. We will have to revisit this and other issues as we prepare to report events in the future.

I can tell you that the Governance issue is the one issue that remains the single biggest issue with the SDA Denominational leadership...the fact that they have a miscreant able to raid the stockholders in the pews at will and pretend to be above the law does not seem to bother the brotherhood of denominational leadership, strangely enough!!!

It will take time to dig and come up with the answers to all the questions thus derived, or perhaps we could trust SAM to give us their version...take that, reverse it and you will have something close to the truth.

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Re: 3ABN's 2007 Form 990
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2009, 01:01:28 PM »

The only "miscreant" liar here is you Gailon.  When will you learn you have some very poor sources?  Your information is always predictably incorrect. There are just too many puzzle pieces that you don't have. Those pieces make all the difference in the whole picture. Why don't you have them?  Because you have no first hand knowledge of anything. You depend on moles, ex wives, and deadbeat dads for your information.  Everytime you have spread your tired rumors about what goes on in boardmeetings, your scenerios are always laughable. You truly do not have a clue.  I loved this where you said "WE WERE TOLD"  Danny clung to power by one vote etc etc.  To begin with the only person that could tell you what took place in a board meeting are the board members. As I know they do not talk to you, information coming from anyone else is nothing but heresay and gossip.  There was nothing of that nature even put on the table, much less a vote taken.  You really are being duped by your moles and as many times as your info has been wrong, you still are not getting it. Either that or you are just so desperate to spread evil you just repeat the lies anyway.  Let me give you some facts...something foreign to you I realize..

1. Jim Gilley is still very much the president of 3abn and no intention of going anywhere. He has had some major heart problems and surgeries. Problems that followed a long history of heart disease.  He has not recovered as quickly as he hoped and has had to let some of the program responsiblities go to others.

2. Max Trevino still sits on the board and is satisfied with the finances and the procedures at 3abn.

3. Larry Romrell still sits on the board and is satisfied with the finances and the procedures at 3abn.

4. Garwin M. has been immobilized with knee replacement surgery but keeps in close contact by phone.

Many plans coming together and good financial news was shared at the annual 3ABN "Day of Prayer".  New viewers and supporters are picked up daily due to dish network and several other outlets. The sonshine kids channel is being launched with all kinds of accolades before it even gets started. Huge response to the Shelton and Gilley Holiday specials with requests for more "family" programs.

You claim the conference is "has concerns" over the 3abn governance. Really?  Is that why Mark Finley wanted 3abn to tape and air his last set of meetings?  Is that why 3abn just recently taped and aired the GYC (youth conference) in California?  Is that why there are conference officials on air at 3abn all the time?

Don't delude yourself Gailon. The only thing conference officials are against is you. THey have heard of your methods, tactics, name calling, and evil surmisings and are aware of Satan's words that spew out of your mouth.  They know that you delight in trying to find scandel and dirt on different ministries. They also know you are not a reporter or a financial counselor, but just an unhappy, dissatisfied person who tries to make himself look better by gossiping about others.  If you keep people's attention on others, maybe they won't look so closely at you. You have proven to everyone that your need to be "somebody" overpowers any moral and ethical behaviour by a proffessed christian.  All one has to do is read your own words to see the evil motives and the hatred that lives within your soul. This is why you have lost so many of your own supporters.  You are down to a pitiful handful with hearts just as evil as yours.

Face it Gailon your little "claim to fame" is over.  You took a good run at it, I'll give you that, but eventually, false information and lies catch up to you. Everyone sees that events you have predicted or were going to "make" happen, never came to fruition. All of your blow and go about the IRS came to nothing. All of your gossip about "board blowups" were shown to be false by the continuation of these people to hold their board seats.  Your gossip over the GC being concerned with this or that is proven a lie everytime they are on the air and everytime 3abn travels to tape their events.  See Gailon, normal thinking people realize that you have nothing but what other people have told you. You have no personal experience with anything that happens at 3abn. You have no personal experience with any of the leadership there. You have no personal experience with the finances there.  You have no personal experience with day to day operations. You have no personal experience with the well known, highly skilled and spiritual people that make up the board.  You are privy to nothing. You have to go on what other's tell you. Other's that have their own evil motives and agenda's and are willing to lie, or twist and manipulate the truth.  No matter where you go including the GC offices, gossip abounds. The moles at 3abn or T'vill that feed your information are no more privy to anything firsthand than you are but are listening to "office gossip" and then telling it to you as fact. That's why you are always wrong.  Anyone that knows Derrell M. will tell you that he can't tell the truth if his life depended on it yet, in court docs, Pickle lists him as one of your "main sources" for information. Again, laughable or maybe pathetic depending on how you look at it.

You claim to know more than me or anyone else. I have been personally involved for many years with 3abn. Again, you have no personal experience but know more than anyone because of your credible sources like Derrell.  Fran makes all her defamatory statements while stating that she has never been to 3abn and doesn't personally know anyone there. The whole thing has been and is ludicrous and people have come to realize this.

My advice is to just bow out gracefully instead of digging yourself deeper and deeper by spouting even more untrue and faulty information. People can clearly see that what is happening at 3abn is opposite of what you are saying.

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