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[RedFalcon]

I am thinking seriously about buying one of those electric cars with the lithium batteries that are coming out in the 2010 models.
GM is coming out with the Volt and others american brands are coming out with Battery cars as well. Already battery recharging stations are popping up everywhere. These cars will have a range of 300 miles per charge. One car will have a diesal tank with a small engine that recharges the battery lenthening the range to 662 miles. I think I will get me one of those in 2010. For now less driving and planing the trips more carefully.

[bonnie]

Oil Prices keep Climbing. It hit $126 a barrel today. They are talking about gas hitting $5 a gallon by summers end now. Time to start taking the mass transit systems I guess.

And... when there is no public transport, what do people do? It's amazing that even Church folk don't stop to think that they may be able to take someone else to Church with them.

At $1.61 per litre here, I think that works out to about $6.10 gallon. No wonder we think twice, before using the car at all. I guess there are many people in that same situation. 

It would be interesting to see what would happen if they would lift the ban on drilling here in the states. We have huge reserves Amwar and such. Bet you would see the price of gas drop in a heartbeat if the other countries did not feel we were held hostage.

I am not a great fan of the new religion,"global warming",and all that goes with that, but as long as we worship at that altar we have little choice in the short term.
Global warming here has meant the lakes  still have ice in parts of the northern regions of the state,and the opening day of fishing has been cancelled by some resorts.

Mass transit does little for the demands of the farmer and the many small rural towns in Mn.

[RedFalcon]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if they would lift the ban on drilling here in the states. We have huge reserves Amwar and such. Bet you would see the price of gas drop in a heartbeat if the other countries did not feel we were held hostage.

I am not a great fan of the new religion,"global warming",and all that goes with that, but as long as we worship at that altar we have little choice in the short term.
Global warming here has meant the lakes  still have ice in parts of the northern regions of the state,and the opening day of fishing has been cancelled by some resorts.

The problem is we are caught in a catch-22. Inflation is on the rise. Most world banks are rising prime interest rates to fight inflation but our federal reserve bank is lowering rates. The result is we are pumping money into the economy worsening inflation and weakening the dollar. Since oil prices are based on the dollar that means that oil prices go up.
Drilling for oil within our own borders would make us less dependant on foreign oil but there is a price. I read an article that there is a small town of less than 100 that has one of the highest air pollution in the country. Why because they are in an area of oil drilling and natural gas deposits. All the trucks going in and out transporting the oil and natural gas to the market is putting millions of tons of Ozone into the air causing them to be in violation of federal air pollution laws. What is being proposed is scaling back the drilling and sending to market the oil and natural gas. That would hurt the local economy and the eonconmy as a whole but would help the air pollution.

What to do? Should we hurt the local air pollution of that part of Montana so Oil and Gas can continue to be marketed to the rest of the USA? Or should we ignore that and continue with the drilling and hurting the health of the local people as a result?  There are no easy answers to this problem.

[bonnie]

That would hurt the local economy and the eonconmy as a whole but would help the air pollutionI read an article that there is a small town of less than 100 that has one of the highest air pollution in the country. Why because they are in an area of oil drilling and natural gas deposits. All the trucks going in and out transporting the oil and natural gas to the market is putting millions of tons of Ozone into the air causing them to be in violation of federal air pollution laws. 

Do you remember where this small town was? Visiting family members in various states that have numerous oil wells on the landscape I don't recall a lot of trucks at the drilling sites. I see a pickup here and there at the sites,but have never seen big trucks. Isn't it piped to the refinery??

[bonnie]

We have family members in Gillette,Wy. The main industry of this town is mining. Surveys give a very high approval rating to how the industry handles envirormental concerns. Something close to 95%.

When we are out there, the activity is obvious outside of town, but the air seems pretty clear

[Lil Star]

I have a friend that owns a car however, he only drives to the store to purchase groceries. He doesn't have to work right now so he doesn't worry too much about the price of gas because his tank of gas will last him almost a month or so. However, me on the other hand have to drive my car every day. I have to work in Oregon while I live in Washington. Thankfully I get paid mileage but I am sure by now the mileage does not increase every time the gas goes up. I try to get to all my stores in one day now rather than on several days. I have a friend out east of Portland that I barely go visit because of the gas prices. I wish they would lower at least some. Or maybe, my boss can get me some stores to merchandise out where my 'friend' lives. 

[RedFalcon]

I read that article on MSNBC I think this week. I just know it was a small town in Montana with a population of 75 people in the middle of a natural gas and oil well area and the High Ozone levels was due to the hundreds of trucks going in and out of the mining area. I think they were building more gas wells and oil wells due to the higher energy costs and higher potential profits. No I do not remember the exact name of the town. It was not a town I had heard of before.

[Lil Star]

Many many many towns in Montana have never been heard of before. Probably some will never be heard of. However, I lived in Montana for quite some time and have never heard of that before. I just asked another who still lives in Montana and has for almost 15 years and they have never heard of any either. Not to say they don't exist cuz they might. I lived in one of those small what we like to call villages of less than 1500 people. When I lived there we never heard anything about new oil or gas wells going in at all. Maybe MSNBC had their facts messed up or something. 

[RedFalcon]

You are right. I got the state wrong.

The town is Boulder Wyoming.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24518121/

[bonnie]

You are right. I got the state wrong.

The town is Boulder Wyoming.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24518121/

There is a little more to the story than first appears. While I am sure that the residents don't care much for it and steps will obviously have to be taken to tone down the pollution created by other factors such as weather.
Doing the same thing in 2007,there was elevated ozone problems.

The snowcover and the rare temperture inversions seems to have caused a good deal of the problem, In 2007 when there was little sbowcover there were no elevated ozone readings.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Gas prices in some parts of Canada went up about 13 cents a litre solely on account of Hurricane Ike.

[Lil Star]

Gas prices around here have dropped to under $3.00 a gallon!! 

[reddogs]

I just saw it at $2.84 so I am filling up today....

[Lil Star]

2.69 for a gallon of gas today! Just keeps going down and down...
I'm lovin checking out the prices for the day.

[bonnie]

2.69 for a gallon of gas today! Just keeps going down and down...
I'm lovin checking out the prices for the day.

We are at 2.39 have been for a couple of days