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[ex3abnemployee]

Excuse me? The IRS investigation is OVER and COMPLETED at 3ABN. What Fran is speaking about is something obviously different. No one has lied and no, Sam is NOT worried.  Go make fun of someone your own size.

Do you have proof that the investigation is "over and completed"? Fran has proof that it isn't.

Something different? So there was more than one IRS investigation? Even after we were originally told there was NO IRS investigation?

Let's see: DS says no investigation, but there is at least one, so take his word for it that the investigation is over.
Fran says there IS an investigation, turns out to be correct, has proof that it is not closed, but don't believe her.

Yeah, makes sense to me. 

Also, how do you know Sam is not worried? Are you posting under more than one screen name?

[Snoopy]

Personally, I think Sammy has quite a bit to be worried about.

[Bob Pickle]

Go make fun of someone your own size.

Is Junebug giving us a hint of who SAM is? How little SAM is?

[ex3abnemployee]

Is Junebug giving us a hint of who SAM is? How little SAM is?

What are you saying, Bob? Are you calling me fat? 

(Not that you wouldn't be correct.)

[Bob Pickle]

Is Junebug giving us a hint of who SAM is? How little SAM is?

What are you saying, Bob? Are you calling me fat? 

(Not that you wouldn't be correct.)

No, I was not calling you fat.

But you have to wonder what Junebug meant. She told you to pick on someone your own size. That typically means that the other person is small. Who is SAM, then?

But then again, how would Junebug be able to make the comparison? Has she ever met you?

[ex3abnemployee]

No, I was not calling you fat.

But you have to wonder what Junebug meant. She told you to pick on someone your own size. That typically means that the other person is small. Who is SAM, then?

But then again, how would Junebug be able to make the comparison? Has she ever met you?

Oh, I would say so. I've met most of the Sheltons.

[Johann]

 

FYI;

I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN!  It ain't over yet!

It came straight from the IRS.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Any further update on this?

[Fran]

Not since this:

http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-178-16.pdf

I am still waiting for another communication.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Being from Canada, what does "Your claim is still open" actually mean in this instance?

Also, how does this compare to the claim that the IRS investigation is closed, over, or whatever word is being used?

[childoftheking]

From the IRS website:

When the Whistleblower Office has made a final determination regarding a claim,
the Whistleblower Office will send correspondence to the claimant regarding its final
award determination.

Since this has not been done and the IRS says the claim is still open it means that the IRS has not yet made a determination regarding the claim.

Even though you are from Canada, I believe that you or anyone could still access information on the IRS.gov website. I myself would rather believe documents from the US Government than the word of those who in the past have claimed that there was no IRS investigation then later admited that there was an IRS investigation. (But only after they could not hide it any longer.)

Edited to add the final paragraph.

[Nosir Myzing]

Being from Canada, what does "Your claim is still open" actually mean in this instance?

Also, how does this compare to the claim that the IRS investigation is closed, over, or whatever word is being used?

Child of the King answered your first question.

As to the second. The status of Fran's "whistleblower claim for a reward", for her accusations against 3ABN, is not the same as the Status of the IRS investigation of 3ABN,which is closed. They are two different departments entirely and the paperwork and time involved and steps involved between one and the other closing can be lengthy if you read the IRS manual and what needs to be done.

Fran has the right as a whistleblower to ask the IRS for the status of the Investigation, where others do not, and has had the information from the IRS about this posted to her in the past and been asked or challenged if you prefer, to do so. She hasn't.

It is wishful thinking on her and Bob's part ( for he made her same illogical arguments to the court in his filed arguments) to believe the status of her claim equals the status of the Investigation.

Common sense should tell anyone that as the IRS destroyed the copies of the documents they took they no longer have any documents to support or use to investigate with, and that they would not destroy them if the investigation was ongoing as that would be stupid and counter productive.

Even Pickle acknowledges they did so, for he claims 3ABN broke the law by ordering evidence destroyed when the IRS asked 3ABN via their Lawyers whether they wanted the copies returned or destroyed.

(another silly argument and false accusation btw, as copies are not the original documents, and it only applies if a crime has been committed. That is his claim, but the IRS has made no such claim. Indictments are not secret. Nor is it rational to believe that the IRS would destroy evidence of crimes or wrong doing by 3ABN or DS.)

I hope this has been helpful.

[childoftheking]

From what I have read, once an investigation is started, even if it is closed it is never final. Evidence is retained and a cold case can be reopened at any time. An investigation is never opened just on someone's say so. The IRS has to have enough evidence to indicate that the claim has merit. Have you not heard of microfilm or digital records. Even though the copies from 3ABN are destroyed does not mean that the investigators do not keep evidence.

[Pat Williams]

Even though you are from Canada, I believe that you or anyone could still access information on the IRS.gov website. I myself would rather believe documents from the US Government than the word of those who in the past have claimed that there was no IRS investigation then later admited that there was an IRS investigation. (But only after they could not hide it any longer.)

Edited to add the final paragraph.

In answer to your added paragraph. There is a much better explanation of the seemingly conflicting statements. One which doesn't involve accusations of lying and deceit, or presumptions of guilt. Some prefer to believe evil of another without proof and I guess that is their choice and they can answer to God for it, but for those who would prefer to hear and weigh all before judging:

Danny Shelton in answer to questions from viewers and supporters about the rumors of an IRS investigation denied this on the air because he did not know about one or have any valid reason to believe that there could even be one when he said that.

Next the IRS contacted both Mr Shelton and 3ABN and informed them of the Investigation. In light of this knowledge and proof they announced that yes there was indeed an investigation.

I know this is the correct explanation as I myself talked to those at 3ABN about this both before and after they became aware of the investigation.

Yes they had heard the rumors beforehand and even been warned by some of the Pickle/joy crew in a round about and vague manner, but they had no reason to credit anything they whispered or claimed while offering zero proof as they were already the victims of so many lies and false claims and rumors from those they considered, and still consider to be slanderers, libelers and false accusers.

[Pat Williams]

From what I have read, once an investigation is started, even if it is closed it is never final.

Really??? if that is true than Fran will never hear from the whistleblower office, about her claim being closed and should give up right now and just move on. Good deal.

An investigation is never opened just on someone's say so. The IRS has to have enough evidence to indicate that the claim has merit.

True, no one I have seen has claimed otherwise. All investigations whether civil or IRS are like that. but it is also true that after further investigation and examination many are found innocent as the rest of the evidence exonerates them as was reported by 3ABN's Attorneys after they were contacted by the IRS.

Evidence is retained and a cold case can be reopened at any time....
Have you not heard of microfilm or digital records. Even though the copies from 3ABN are destroyed does not mean that the investigators do not keep evidence.

This may be more wishful thinking.  It is always retained? I would be very interested in documentation from the IRS to support your belief, claim and argument here. Could you supply that please?