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Re: Obama as Americas President, is it all over but the counting.....
« Reply #135 on: May 13, 2010, 01:37:14 AM »

People want everything for nothing- if they want socialism, why don't they move to a socialistic country 1st and see if they like it? :purr:

When we all get to heaven we will all share the wealth though none of us deserve it. Only those who are willing to except everything for nothing will be in heaven, Jesus will have paid it all, all to him we owe. I just spent a month in the country of Kenya there they have very few if any social programs as a result we have street kids and massive hunger and poverty. I question those who are so worried that someone else will receive something as though they have lost something themselves. They laud there own accomplishments as though they have worked so hard and deserve the things they have when in fact they were given, though no work or effort themselves, blessings from God. We Christians long for a land without sin where everyone lives and shares the wealth that God so freely undeservedly gives. Now, if you don't like freebies why don't you move to the side where you have to pay (hell) purr;
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« Reply #136 on: May 13, 2010, 02:23:30 AM »

The British have a new conservative (REPUBLICAN?) prime minister today. Will he remove the social benefits?

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« Reply #137 on: May 13, 2010, 04:49:48 AM »

People want everything for nothing- if they want socialism, why don't they move to a socialistic country 1st and see if they like it? :purr:

When we all get to heaven we will all share the wealth though none of us deserve it. Only those who are willing to except everything for nothing will be in heaven, Jesus will have paid it all, all to him we owe. I just spent a month in the country of Kenya there they have very few if any social programs as a result we have street kids and massive hunger and poverty. I question those who are so worried that someone else will receive something as though they have lost something themselves. They laud there own accomplishments as though they have worked so hard and deserve the things they have when in fact they were given, though no work or effort themselves, blessings from God. We Christians long for a land without sin where everyone lives and shares the wealth that God so freely undeservedly gives. Now, if you don't like freebies why don't you move to the side where you have to pay (hell) purr;

Mrst53,

You are right in all aspects, you just cannot take the "justification" of hand outs of certain groups. This alone makes the political difference we are all suffering by. They fail to realize that in heaven "One" will not work while the other eats.  Heaven is "not free either" doing nothing and always taking. We will earn it under "obedience to the Love of God" and individual "giving" and not forced "national" and not under wrong theories that they spend more time in devising how to get for free and cliches' that people do waste their time in understanding out of these groups. I'm still dense in their lingo that they devise for "ignorant" white flashes. Don't waste my time on such garbage as I speak in sometimes bold, brash english and straight to the understandable point and am quite all American.

Oh, and I know you are not Adventist as I think you spoke once if I remember correctly and I sure hope that you do not judge them all by some of this trash that has been on here. Believe me, I read on here for years now even before I posted and discovered "unbelieveable imposters" of the true SDA.  Seeing this, I could not refrain from posting. But am glad you came on to voice yourself too. So speak out your views.

They want to bring America down to where they can live here and change it..like the other countries.  They are the" imposters" to change what God built America for no matter what examples they try to give. They don't understand God's control of even the poor in dire places as they continually do voodoo and similar aspects and reject "His Son."
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« Reply #138 on: May 13, 2010, 02:01:15 PM »

Who me?    :cat: 


LOL!!! You are bad! Bad Princess!  :ROFL:

What was that flash of white I saw?        Whew!! scared me!
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« Reply #139 on: May 13, 2010, 05:15:18 PM »

This is what Isaiah 65 says of the New Jerusalem

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21-And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22-They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.



People want everything for nothing- if they want socialism, why don't they move to a socialistic country 1st and see if they like it? :purr:

When we all get to heaven we will all share the wealth though none of us deserve it. Only those who are willing to except everything for nothing will be in heaven, Jesus will have paid it all, all to him we owe. I just spent a month in the country of Kenya there they have very few if any social programs as a result we have street kids and massive hunger and poverty. I question those who are so worried that someone else will receive something as though they have lost something themselves. They laud there own accomplishments as though they have worked so hard and deserve the things they have when in fact they were given, though no work or effort themselves, blessings from God. We Christians long for a land without sin where everyone lives and shares the wealth that God so freely undeservedly gives. Now, if you don't like freebies why don't you move to the side where you have to pay (hell) purr;
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« Reply #140 on: May 13, 2010, 08:22:57 PM »

This is what Isaiah 65 says of the New Jerusalem

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21-And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22-They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.



People want everything for nothing- if they want socialism, why don't they move to a socialistic country 1st and see if they like it? :purr:

When we all get to heaven we will all share the wealth though none of us deserve it. Only those who are willing to except everything for nothing will be in heaven, Jesus will have paid it all, all to him we owe. I just spent a month in the country of Kenya there they have very few if any social programs as a result we have street kids and massive hunger and poverty. I question those who are so worried that someone else will receive something as though they have lost something themselves. They laud there own accomplishments as though they have worked so hard and deserve the things they have when in fact they were given, though no work or effort themselves, blessings from God. We Christians long for a land without sin where everyone lives and shares the wealth that God so freely undeservedly gives. Now, if you don't like freebies why don't you move to the side where you have to pay (hell) purr;
So true, Isaiah does say that. Because, the God of heaven shall supply the wood and the food and the ability and everything needed free of charge. For some to imply that this statement implies some semblance of the republican agenda is crazy. Jesus would say" in my fathers house are many mansions if it were not so I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you The reason for the building and planting is because in the New Heaven the war mongering will not be present and people will be industrious not because of need but for pleasures sake not to survive. The evil Republican swines who hate the will of God (not all) would use God to be selfish and heartless and self pleasing. Heaven is a free for us handout that we do not deserve (the price is paid completely by God (Jesus) with no effort by man. Yes, we are our brothers keeper responsible to aid them in some cases without them deserving it the same as God does for you and I. It is the thought of many on this site that would misrepresent Jesus through the written word. Again, I have spent the last month in a country that have people of like mind (thank God all are not like that).
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« Reply #141 on: May 13, 2010, 08:49:15 PM »

Let me myself clear. What I meant by living in a socialistic country was paying the taxes to support ALL the socialistic programs that go with along with socialism.  I have NO problem with helping those who NEED it. I DO have a problem with giving handouts to those who WON'T WORK. I am all for helping the poor, widows and the orphans. The organized churches of today will be held responsible for NOT following those scriptures.

As far as Jesus Christ dying for my sins without my deserving it. You are right, He did :amen: I praise Him everyday for that. I may not be a SDA, but Jesus Christ has saved from my sins and lives in my heart. If He didn't, I wouldn't care a fig about the situation with TS.

I did not mean to upset anyone, but I believe in a Republic and I believe in people working for what they get. It's what this country was founded on. I have worked since I was 12, and I worked for 44 years.
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« Reply #142 on: May 13, 2010, 09:07:25 PM »

Amen!
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« Reply #143 on: May 13, 2010, 09:45:57 PM »

Actually, mrst53, this country may have started with those hardworking puritan prilgrims.....God bless 'em! However, it ended up being actually really established as far as laws and a cohesive union is concerned by white men who got slaves to work for them on land given to them in mariage to their wives(and then they would tip down to the slave quarters and sired children by Kizzy(general) and all her female famiy members.  I am not sure they were hard working at all.  Now, I do know about families who worked and still work the land, factories, jobs etc., and I basically know that is what you meant, but you may need to find a different way to phrase it.  Our "founding fathers" founded a country for rich white men, and that is all.  The Constitution did not apply to women(through whom they got their wealth(land), nor blacks(who worked that land) when they penned it.

Sure, there are people who won't work(believe me, I have some in my family, as I am sure do most of you), and they are the very visible minority, especially if they are black.  So, you all are proposing cutting programs to those who do need the help in order to avoid enabling those you believe don't deserve it?   For those who are interested, I will in PM explain why this so very racist, and many of you do not even realize it.  Some realize, but just "spin" it, believing that no one will know it when they see it.   

And then again, I asked this question:  How did we, as Christians, get from the ideal of the first church where all brought what they had.  Those with more gave more, those who had little or none, gave little or none, but ALL got what they needed when they needed it?  As I scanned, I think I did see someone say something about none of us deserving the Great Gift given by Jesus Christ...................and we cant' seem to make the connection................sigh....we have such a long way to go...................



Let me myself clear. What I meant by living in a socialistic country was paying the taxes to support ALL the socialistic programs that go with along with socialism.  I have NO problem with helping those who NEED it. I DO have a problem with giving handouts to those who WON'T WORK. I am all for helping the poor, widows and the orphans. The organized churches of today will be held responsible for NOT following those scriptures.

As far as Jesus Christ dying for my sins without my deserving it. You are right, He did :amen: I praise Him everyday for that. I may not be a SDA, but Jesus Christ has saved from my sins and lives in my heart. If He didn't, I wouldn't care a fig about the situation with TS.

I did not mean to upset anyone, but I believe in a Republic and I believe in people working for what they get. It's what this country was founded on. I have worked since I was 12, and I worked for 44 years.
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« Reply #144 on: May 14, 2010, 12:33:31 AM »

Let me myself clear. What I meant by living in a socialistic country was paying the taxes to support ALL the socialistic programs that go with along with socialism.  I have NO problem with helping those who NEED it. I DO have a problem with giving handouts to those who WON'T WORK. I am all for helping the poor, widows and the orphans. The organized churches of today will be held responsible for NOT following those scriptures.

As far as Jesus Christ dying for my sins without my deserving it. You are right, He did :amen: I praise Him everyday for that. I may not be a SDA, but Jesus Christ has saved from my sins and lives in my heart. If He didn't, I wouldn't care a fig about the situation with TS.

I did not mean to upset anyone, but I believe in a Republic and I believe in people working for what they get. It's what this country was founded on. I have worked since I was 12, and I worked for 44 years.


This country was not founded on people working for what they get, that is the big lie or elephant in the room. The fact is that this country was taken by forced prospered through slavery and wrote lies in the history books to gloryfy some of the wrongs done. Let me make myself plain as possible; I believe God has blessed this country and I love it and the freedoms it brings, however it too can stand improvement.The programs this country offers, abused by some, still is a wonder to the world. In many of the third world countries that are not blessed by social programs the people suffer tremendously beyond our (in America) comprehension. ----I have long since learned from traveling to many third world countries and seeing thousands suffer, who in my estimation are more, much more worthy than myself, the benefit of social systems. There is no perfect system, thus it is foolish to condemn a program because some lazy people or criminals misuse it.------ Praise the Lord that you have been able to work for 44 years since the age of twelve. But, I can attest to you that there are thousands mostly women and children who would love to work but through no fault of there own are not able to.The orphanage I visited was full of children abandoned in need of the gift of love, whether through taxes or donations or volunteer service, lets call it what it is a hand out.

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« Reply #145 on: May 14, 2010, 02:49:16 AM »

In some of the many countries I have lived in some of the wealthy people who are able to pay for their medical care, never did much work. Some inherited their wealth, managed to buy stock, used their means to gain political influence, making laws and tax rules to benefit the rich.

The people who work are heavily taxed, making it impossible for them to have substantial savings and impossible to pay their medical fees nor leave much of an inheritance for their children who also have to work and pay heavy taxes.

I hope not too many of you have experienced this situation.

I believe God has blessed America - a wonderful country. Are we open for any further blessings?
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« Reply #146 on: May 14, 2010, 04:41:09 AM »

What other countries and people think!

Ever wonder why we have to depend on the foreign press to find out what's "really" going on in our own country.  It's a good thing that Obama and the democrats don't own the Canadian press..  Here is what Howard Galganov predicts for Barack Hussein Obama - PLEASE READ:
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Barack Hussein Obama:
 I Told You So –  Yes I Did
By Howard Galganov
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When Obama won the Presidency with the help of the LEFTIST Media, Hollywood And Entertainment Liberals, Ethnic Socialists (ACORN), Stupid Non-Business Professionals and Bush Haters, I wrote:  It won't take six months until the People figure this guy out and realize how horrible a mistake they've made.  And when they come to that realization, the damage to the United States of America will be so great it will take a generation or more to repair - IF EVER.

The IDIOTS who not only voted for the Messiah, but also worked [hard] to promote his Lordship, are now left holding the bag.

Here are two things they will NEVER do:  They will NEVER admit to making a blunder out of all proportion by electing a snake-oil salesman with no positive social history or management experience of any kind.  They will NEVER take responsibility for the curse they've imposed upon the immediate and long-term future of their country.

In essence, the people responsible for putting this horror show in power are themselves responsible for every cataclysmic decision he makes and the consequences thereof.

In just six months, the Messiah's polls are showing the following:
 1. On Healthcare Reform - He's going under for the third time with polling well Under 50 percent, even within his own Party.  Even though he might be able to Muscle a Healthcare Reform Bill by using Chicago BULLY tactics against his Fellow Democrats, it will just make things worse.

 2. On Cap and Trade (Cap and Tax) - The Fat-Lady is already singing.

 3. On the Stimulus Package (Tax and Spend) - His popularity is in FREE-FALL.

 4. On the TARP package he took and ran with from President Bush - It's all but Good-Night Irene. 

5. On the closing of GITMO and "HIS" war on what he no longer wants called the War On Terrorism - He's standing in quicksand with his head just about to go under.

 6. On a Comparison between himself and George W. Bush at the same six months into their respective first term Presidencies - Bush is ahead of him in the Polls.

 7. On a comparison between He Who Walks On Water and the 12 preceding Presidents between WW II and now - Obama ranks 10th.

 8. On a poll just conducted, that asks who would you vote for today between Obama and Mitt Romney - It's a dead heat.  Between Obama and Palin - Obama's ONLY ahead by 8 points and she hasn't even begun to campaign.  It seems to me that Obama wants to be everywhere where he shouldn't be.

He's personally invested in 'totally insulting' America's ONLY REAL Middle Eastern ally (  Israel  ) in favor of Palestinian Despots and Murderers.  He's traveling the world apologizing for the USA while lecturing others on how to do it right, when in fact and truth he has no experience at doing anything other than getting elected.

He went to the Muslim world in Egypt  to declare that America IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION while he heaped praises on Islam, where he compared the "plight" of the Palestinians to the Holocaust.

The Russians think he's a putz, The French think he's rude.

The Germans want him to stop spending.

The Indians want him to mix his nose out of their environmental business.

The North Koreans think he's a joke, The Iranians won't acknowledge his calls.

And the British can't even come up with a comprehensive opinion of him.

As for the Chinese, he's too frightened to even glance their way.  [After all,  China  now owns a large portion of the United States ..]

Maybe if America's first Emperor would stay home more, travel less, and work a little bit instead of being on television just about everyday or stop running to "papered" Town Hall Meetings, perhaps he would have a little bit of time to do the work of the nation.

In all fairness, it wasn't HARD to be RIGHT in my prediction concerning Obama's presidency, even in its first six months, so I'm going to make yet another prediction:

OBAMA WILL PROBABLY NOT FINISH HIS 4-YEAR TERM, at least not in a conventional way.

He is such a political HORROR SHOW, and so detrimental to the USA and his Own Democratic Party, that the Democrats themselves will either FORCE him to resign or figure out a way to have him thrown out.

Who knows, maybe he really isn't a BORN US Citizen and that's a way the Democrats will be able to get rid of him.  [He is a citizen, but not a naturalized citizen with both mother and father being US citizens.]

Or - MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, the Democrats will make Obama THEIR OWN LAME DUCK PRESIDENT.

I don't believe the Democrats have nearly as much love for their country as they do for their own political fortunes. And with Obama, their fortunes are rapidly becoming toast.

If you agree with this email please pass it along to everyone you know! If you don't agree with it, then just delete it and be part of the greatest problem this country has ever seen! My guess is, you don't think this "CHANGE" is what you expected either.   

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« Reply #147 on: May 14, 2010, 04:56:59 AM »

This was the only thing I found on Howard.


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Eh bien, ce bon Howard n’a plus de tribune téléphonique à Montréal, mais il poursuit sa vaillante lutte contre le français en Ontario, apparemment. Dans l’Est ontarien, plus précisément, où il lutte contre l’affichage bilingue. Avec menaces de poursuite, et tout et tout.

Il semble cependant que Gilles Rhéaume, intrépide fantassin du fait français, soit à ses trousses, si je me fie à ce que Le Droit rapporte, sous la plume de Jean-François Dugas. M. Rhéaume a porté plainte contre Galganov pour supposés crimes haineux et, nous assure-t-il, les autorités compétentes font enquête. La charge de Galganov contre l’affichage bilingue à Russell, selon M. Rhéaume, est dénoncée à l’échelle de la francophonie. Rien de moins.

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« Reply #148 on: May 14, 2010, 05:20:10 AM »

Actually, mrst53, this country may have started with those hardworking puritan prilgrims.....God bless 'em! However, it ended up being actually really established as far as laws and a cohesive union is concerned by white men who got slaves to work for them on land given to them in mariage to their wives(and then they would tip down to the slave quarters and sired children by Kizzy(general) and all her female famiy members.  I am not sure they were hard working at all.  Now, I do know about families who worked and still work the land, factories, jobs etc., and I basically know that is what you meant, but you may need to find a different way to phrase it.  Our "founding fathers" founded a country for rich white men, and that is all.  The Constitution did not apply to women(through whom they got their wealth(land), nor blacks(who worked that land) when they penned it.

Sure, there are people who won't work(believe me, I have some in my family, as I am sure do most of you), and they are the very visible minority, especially if they are black.  So, you all are proposing cutting programs to those who do need the help in order to avoid enabling those you believe don't deserve it?   For those who are interested, I will in PM explain why this so very racist, and many of you do not even realize it.  Some realize, but just "spin" it, believing that no one will know it when they see it.   

And then again, I asked this question:  How did we, as Christians, get from the ideal of the first church where all brought what they had.  Those with more gave more, those who had little or none, gave little or none, but ALL got what they needed when they needed it?  As I scanned, I think I did see someone say something about none of us deserving the Great Gift given by Jesus Christ...................and we cant' seem to make the connection................sigh....we have such a long way to go...................



Let me myself clear. What I meant by living in a socialistic country was paying the taxes to support ALL the socialistic programs that go with along with socialism.  I have NO problem with helping those who NEED it. I DO have a problem with giving handouts to those who WON'T WORK. I am all for helping the poor, widows and the orphans. The organized churches of today will be held responsible for NOT following those scriptures.

As far as Jesus Christ dying for my sins without my deserving it. You are right, He did :amen: I praise Him everyday for that. I may not be a SDA, but Jesus Christ has saved from my sins and lives in my heart. If He didn't, I wouldn't care a fig about the situation with TS.

I did not mean to upset anyone, but I believe in a Republic and I believe in people working for what they get. It's what this country was founded on. I have worked since I was 12, and I worked for 44 years.

Mrst53,

Now with that "great explanation" of purple ink, you can readily see what the problem is. Forefathers mistakes give new generation the "rights" for handouts.
They just don't get it. This new generation has been given much equally...Rascism is now a black problem.  I have black friends that do not think this way and you will never hear them talk of it as they are just as much American as the Whites. Past History is gone. But there are many dwellers of past history that still carry it to "taunt others" and use it under the banner of "discrimination".  Yes, there used to be discrimination but the whites and Martin worked together to change it.  If now laid back history dwellers would stop this, then all would stop -as reason and effect are still in play with the ignorance of moving on to bettter life and harmony. Most black and white in this age want this. If most of that above explantion you do not think is right then why was it so important for them to have a first black president no matter what he stood for. They did not even try to figure out the details. Just get him in. But Obama was the great deceiver of the poor and knowing this... HE USED IT. and that was more wicked then anything.  plus his agenda.  Believe me there are many black men that would have been truly a good American President and I for one would welcome any that can stand up to the American Values as again they were the best for knowing to work the land and what it takes to do it. That is experience most useful for good morals and the way of the people. But then you get the group of what you just read and it appears the blocks are blocked until Jesus returns. I feel is is quite a block of Harmony living. Your point was well taken as I do not know of any whites that speak differently as you spoke your reasoning. Of course I realize there are just as bad whites that have laid down their ignorant same back in time evils but it is not the majority. An American is an American and BO does not in anyway give sanction to what America was built on. His God is not the God of this Nation!


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« Reply #149 on: May 14, 2010, 05:28:56 AM »

This was the only thing I found on Howard.


Le Mercredi 3 septembre 2008 |  Mise en ligne à 12h47 | Commenter Commentaires (48)
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Vous vous souvenez de Howard Galganov ? L’Anglo-Québécois le plus virulent de l’Histoire récente, qui sévissait dans les années 1990, toujours là, derrière les manchettes, avec son bidon d’essence, pour nourrir le feu de joie linguistique…

Eh bien, ce bon Howard n’a plus de tribune téléphonique à Montréal, mais il poursuit sa vaillante lutte contre le français en Ontario, apparemment. Dans l’Est ontarien, plus précisément, où il lutte contre l’affichage bilingue. Avec menaces de poursuite, et tout et tout.

Il semble cependant que Gilles Rhéaume, intrépide fantassin du fait français, soit à ses trousses, si je me fie à ce que Le Droit rapporte, sous la plume de Jean-François Dugas. M. Rhéaume a porté plainte contre Galganov pour supposés crimes haineux et, nous assure-t-il, les autorités compétentes font enquête. La charge de Galganov contre l’affichage bilingue à Russell, selon M. Rhéaume, est dénoncée à l’échelle de la francophonie. Rien de moins.


:canada:  (laugh) Johann, does this mean good or bad? Can only read some words but don't know the French.
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