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Re: Obama as Americas President, is it all over but the counting.....
« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2008, 09:09:35 PM »

As I said, I almost forgot the show was on when I was home an dunemployed, but I do like that they all rea differently and dont' always agree. Makes for a good show when I do watch.

As I said before I misread something, Darlin', just forgive a sleepy old Di, please!




What I would prefer is that they act civil, have their discussions respectfully and treat people decently. Barbara Walters, whom I once respected as someone who treated people decently, would not even look at John McCain in the eyes when she talked to him while he was there. She read a teleprompter (and we know she is good with her questions without having to look so staged). I found they often treat people different people differently, with different standards. I found that they used their show to push for what they wanted, and often had very little facts to support what they flung out there for laughs and claps. That is a disgrace. Now, if they just want to be there for total entertainment purposes, then they shouldn't attempt to talk about such important issues as to really unravel something, or learn something. It's often just a cat fight, and it has grown tiring. It's usually a 3 or more on 1 when it comes to anything conservative, and I feel they have it set up that way so that they have a superior and affirmed feeling of their opinions. It's like that show is really there for THEM, not for anyone else. Not saying there won't be people that like that sort of thing, but I feel that group is a lot smaller then people might realize.

If you want to watch it, that's fine with me, no worries. But, I still don't think it's a good measuring rod of americas women. In fact, I think it's quite misleading to assume that that show represents the "masses" out there. I know very little people who can watch it that do watch it (and most aren't even christians if that means anything).

It's a shame that you assume the pubs have Fox News. I watch it so I know it's fair. I hear from both sides of every thing all the time, like it or not.
More people should watch it for themselves instead of listening to what others say Fox is all about.

I have no idea what you mean about calling BO out of his name? Explain please?
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Re: Obama as Americas President, is it all over but the counting.....
« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2008, 09:15:09 PM »

Di.... :puppykisses:  !!!!
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« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2008, 09:17:03 PM »

I love you Di, really I do  ;D

As I said, I almost forgot the show was on when I was home an dunemployed, but I do like that they all rea differently and dont' always agree. Makes for a good show when I do watch.

As I said before I misread something, Darlin', just forgive a sleepy old Di, please!




What I would prefer is that they act civil, have their discussions respectfully and treat people decently. Barbara Walters, whom I once respected as someone who treated people decently, would not even look at John McCain in the eyes when she talked to him while he was there. She read a teleprompter (and we know she is good with her questions without having to look so staged). I found they often treat people different people differently, with different standards. I found that they used their show to push for what they wanted, and often had very little facts to support what they flung out there for laughs and claps. That is a disgrace. Now, if they just want to be there for total entertainment purposes, then they shouldn't attempt to talk about such important issues as to really unravel something, or learn something. It's often just a cat fight, and it has grown tiring. It's usually a 3 or more on 1 when it comes to anything conservative, and I feel they have it set up that way so that they have a superior and affirmed feeling of their opinions. It's like that show is really there for THEM, not for anyone else. Not saying there won't be people that like that sort of thing, but I feel that group is a lot smaller then people might realize.

If you want to watch it, that's fine with me, no worries. But, I still don't think it's a good measuring rod of americas women. In fact, I think it's quite misleading to assume that that show represents the "masses" out there. I know very little people who can watch it that do watch it (and most aren't even christians if that means anything).

It's a shame that you assume the pubs have Fox News. I watch it so I know it's fair. I hear from both sides of every thing all the time, like it or not.
More people should watch it for themselves instead of listening to what others say Fox is all about.

I have no idea what you mean about calling BO out of his name? Explain please?
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Re: Obama as Americas President, is it all over but the counting.....
« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2008, 10:02:23 PM »

Lol! If you wanted to drive me insane or torture me for information you could tie me down and make me watch The View. Oy! Can't stand that show, but hey, I like shows that you wouldn't like. My favourite channel on the tube is History International. I know that lots of people are bored to tears by that kind of TV.

As to the Kennedys, the orginal statement regarding JFK was that people thought he was going to bring on the end of time. Lol! I was not around back in those days, but I bet the same SDAs who have prdicted each president since then would be "the one" really went nuts over him.

That brings me back to the topic of apocalyptic fears about each president. I am somewhat alarmed by some of the tactics I see that fit with other patterns, but I will not discuss that now. But, I do take issue with the use of every new thing as another means of trying to terrify people into submission to whatever apocalyptic direction a person or group wants them to take.

We live in a time of unprecedented peace on this earth. There are fewer and smaller wars, we haven't had a major natural disaster in over a century, economies go up and down but globally they are holding well above lines that would be disastrous. I don't buy into the idea that we are in a time of terrible turmoil. Being an avid student of world history, that doesn't wash with me.

Since WW2 there have been a few minor wars and that is all. Up through WW2 wars were conducted with the policy of targeting the civilians and killing as many of them as possible, and through most of history, the victors walked away with all of the conquered nation's valuables, including the young people as slaves. Now civilian casualties are largely avoided, we rebuild the conquered country, take nothing from them, tax our own people to provide for the people we conquered and the issue of slavery is moot. Also, with U.S. military bases and carrier fleets completely surrounding the globe, other super-powers present and keeping control of their allies, and the ever present threat of nuclear anihilation, war and unrest is kept to a minimum. All of us super powers have allies with assets and business that we have to protect and that keeps most of the world in a forced state of peace.

The last major natural disaster occured in 1883. The island of Krakatau blew in a volcanic eruption that was heard over 3,000 miles away. It spread ash and sulfur around the entire world within days and caused a global drop in temperature that resulted in famines and a huge death toll globally. The earth's temperature did not normalize for five years. This came on the heels of a mini ice age that had taken the lives of millions, but actually resulted in the emergence of the potato as an accepted food because it was an underground crop that could grow in the very short summers they had and survive the cold. Prior to that, there was the black plague that decimated many of the earth's populations and is actually considered one of the factors in bringing about the ice age as millions of acres of farmland returned to forest as the populations died off. Going back further we see where terrible super volcanoes like Yellowstone would have eliminated most living things on entire continents, there were asteroid strikes like the one in the Gulf of Mexico that would have created a wall of water over 5,000 feet high that washed across the North American continent and was only stopped by the Rocky mountain range. We could go on and on.

Then there is the matter of religious persecution. We are in a period of the least violence in religious persecution in millenia. Although there are pockets of violent religious persecution in in several Muslim countries, even where repression exists in countries like China, it is moderate.

The point of all this being that we do not live in a time when all heck is breaking loose on the earth and when there are wars and rumours of wars, and pestilence, and natural disasters like never before.
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Re: Obama as Americas President, is it all over but the counting.....
« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2008, 10:18:08 PM »

BTW, on another topic that came up, I also disagree with the death penalty almost across the board. In far too many cases innocent people have been executed, and if there is even the slightest possibility that that will occur, I don't believe that it should be allowed. The only thing worse than the original murder is when we the people murder an innocent person for a crime they never committed. The much maligned former governor of IL (a Republican) put a moratorium on Capital punishment because of this issue and I was very glad to see a politician go out on a limb over that.

On the other hand, I agree with TX law that allows people to defend their lives, family and property by shooting and killing burglars, intruders, rapists, etc during the commission of the crime.
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« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2008, 10:24:15 PM »

Any crime in particular, Habanero?    :)

On the other hand, I agree with TX law that allows people to defend their lives, family and property by shooting and killing burglars, intruders, rapists, etc during the commission of the crime.
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« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2008, 10:28:59 PM »

BTW, on another topic that came up, I also disagree with the death penalty almost across the board. In far too many cases innocent people have been executed, and if there is even the slightest possibility that that will occur, I don't believe that it should be allowed. The only thing worse than the original murder is when we the people murder an innocent person for a crime they never committed. The much maligned former governor of IL (a Republican) put a moratorium on Capital punishment because of this issue and I was very glad to see a politician go out on a limb over that.

On the other hand, I agree with TX law that allows people to defend their lives, family and property by shooting and killing burglars, intruders, rapists, etc during the commission of the crime.

Off the topic, but relating to Haby's post; I use to feel this way until I sat on a jury of a man who killed his three small children and wife, stuffed them in suitcases, tied two of his children (age 3 and 5) in blankets and with small boulders tied to their legs, threw them in the ocean and the bay. After 6 weeks of that being on the jury, I had to wrestle with that whole issue of the death penalty. I was the foreman of that jury, and it was one of the most difficult times in my life.

I am of the conviction that there are clear times where it applies. We gave him the death penalty. The decision was not driven by emotion. It was driven by justice and protection for others to come if he were to be free one day. I have no doubt he would have been free at some point, one way or another if we had not given him that sentence too. So, while he clearly deserved that sentence, it also served to protect other possible victims just as a bonus (for lack of a better word).
 
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« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2008, 10:43:20 PM »

BTW, on another topic that came up, I also disagree with the death penalty almost across the board. In far too many cases innocent people have been executed, and if there is even the slightest possibility that that will occur, I don't believe that it should be allowed. The only thing worse than the original murder is when we the people murder an innocent person for a crime they never committed. The much maligned former governor of IL (a Republican) put a moratorium on Capital punishment because of this issue and I was very glad to see a politician go out on a limb over that.

On the other hand, I agree with TX law that allows people to defend their lives, family and property by shooting and killing burglars, intruders, rapists, etc during the commission of the crime.


Off the topic, but relating to Haby's post; I use to feel this way until I sat on a jury of a man who killed his three small children and wife, stuffed them in suitcases, tied two of his children (age 3 and 5) in blankets and with small boulders tied to their legs, threw them in the ocean and the bay. After 6 weeks of that being on the jury, I had to wrestle with that whole issue of the death penalty. I was the foreman of that jury, and it was one of the most difficult times in my life.

I am of the conviction that there are clear times where it applies. We gave him the death penalty. The decision was not driven by emotion. It was driven by justice and protection for others to come if he were to be free one day. I have no doubt he would have been free at some point, one way or another if we had not given him that sentence too. So, while he clearly deserved that sentence, it also served to protect other possible victims just as a bonus (for lack of a better word).
 
How horrible! I will take this opportunity to point out that I used the words "almost across the board." There are most certainly situations in which I not only agree with the death penalty but consider it to be the only acceptable option.

(My apologies to any who were offended and upset at the expression of shock I just edited out of the above post.)
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« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2008, 01:41:22 AM »

We saw in the news that the PR man of bin Laden had been given a life sentence - prison for life. Was that a just sentence?
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« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2008, 02:00:25 AM »

Btw, a small addendum to the very long post in which I illterated the various reasons that I see that we are living in a time of global peace.

Although many people, including a startling number of Americans, despise this country for who and what it is and does, it is the United States of America and its military that are largely responsible for the changes in the manner in which war is conducted. We have led the way in ceasing from targeting civilians, we are the only country on earth that has made a point of taxing our own civilians to rebuild the countries we have conquered, we have torn down and eliminated governments who execute war in the old fashioned way of trying to kill as many civilians as possible
(Like Saddam Hussein and his war against his own people), and we have used our military bases and carrier fleets to keep war and killing down to a minimum. Peaceful, I know that you and other have issues with the Iraq war and claim that we had no right or reason to fight it, but now we have the Iraqi people themselves targeting and eliminating Al Qaeda, and we have them as our most powerful Arab ally in the Middle East as we seek to keep peace in a region that has been at war for thousands of years. You can say what you like about Afghanistan, but we have already accomp;ished the impossible there. That country was the Soviet Union's Vietnam, and when we went in, Russia warned us of the futility of our mission. In a few months we accomplished what the Soviet Union couldn't do in years, we crushed the Afghan regime, threw them out and established a government that is friendly to us works as our ally in pursuing and dealing with our enemies in that region. Our government, our military and the wars that we have executed in the last eight years have been very successful, and despite the self hatred that permeates so much of American society, I am very proud to be an American, proud of who and what we are, proud of the job that our military has done, proud that we have done what we have in Iraq and Afghanistan, and know that without us and the policies that so may hate about us, this world would truly be in terrible turmoil.
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Re: Obama as Americas President, is it all over but the counting.....
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2008, 03:20:00 AM »

Nettie,
I definitely will comment on this. I did not realize what Women on the view was or something to click on until I saw the hand to click.
Is this the filth you want people to click on. I cannot believe you did this on these posts or look at this. Filthy language and all and filled with racism. You have defined yourself and do not derserve any answers from anyone.  :o

Grat, When I clicked on your link that did not appear at first to be a link, it took me into you tube with whoopie, and all the horrible comments, racism, and filthy language . Now don't tell me that links must bring up something different. As far as the view goes it is damaging for anyone to watch if you think the link went there! No wonder you have your idea's of sorts. You become what you watch. Including the liberal media that did what they did. All you have to do is get bits and pieces to know when to turn the channel.

Also it is now apparent how most of you  think. Why did you not think it was possible for Black to be President? Skin color?  That is what is so amazing. We are not back in time. Your background or stigma of slavery has been over for years and years. Do you not realize that good men founght for this equality Most people have stigma's they do not like in their life but good minds know they cannot dwell on it and its over. It appears you have and Sherri and Ophrah and many look at the color of their own skin and come up with these impossibilities. Until you consider all equal in your own minds and in the site of God you will not get rid of racism. And you all waited for Obama to do this for you? What happened to Jesus and what he did for all????? Yes, I make no bones about defining my self. My black friends think how I do. My black friends are intelligent and they knew also the agenda. We don't even look at each other as what ever was in the past before we were born. Obama depended on Black America to think exactely like you and Calvin are stating. In fact Obama felt this way too. He is NOT Martin L King.  Obamas arrogrance that came accros came from using what he did and all followed with the wrong unbibical policies that they did not even care what it was and that will put all the po folk back into slavery. Set back and watch what happens now for jobs and economy if he is able to put his policies into gear. He is already on the excuse mill. telling all will have to wait until he gets to the end of 2 term. What a bubble burster for you all.

That is why racism is still here and people that think like this is still under the spell of Lucifer. This is one of the best wins the old devil has accomplished to divert the people of God. You let Obama prove this to you under a false cloak??? We are talking principles of politics here. This is tough talk because I hate racism probably worst then you do. I know it will keep people from eternity. Think I do not realize the plight.  I pledge alligence to the flag....of the USA...ONe Nation under God, for Liberty and Justice for all. Do you not care way back to Lincoln what good folk fought for. Why is the chip still there? Now do you get it! This spell would not have been in Christian minds but thankful it all changed. At least ancesters were brought to America under what appeared to be the worst ever.  The pilgrams came because of Oppression in Euope of the worst also. Both ventured to America  by horrible means. You are now Americans the same as all that suffered some sort of plight. Why did you not get over your stigma like the pilgrams. Do you think the persecutions were different. Death is Death.
It was under God's plan that we were brought to a new land for new freedom. We do not know his ways on how he got us here but we just except it.  Why don't you look at the broader picture and get over what ever the skin looks like.  In fact I'm a little too chalky all has suffered one way or another through trials. What makes you so better that you chose not to realize and aknowledge what white people also suffered persecution because of Christian Stigma. Burned at the stake, etc.......I just did not like to be led to a link that was pure racism filth of all the horrible comments.
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Re: Obama as Americas President, is it all over but the counting.....
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2008, 07:28:20 AM »

Tinka,  so much bitterness, doubt, skepticism, and fear.  Fortunately, most people regardless of who   they voted for are optimistic and hopeful that Obama can bring get us through the economic crisis and get us out of Iran.  We did not get into these problems over night; it will take a while to get us out.

As for your comments on race, they are so ridiculous that it does not deserve commenting on.
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« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2008, 08:13:10 AM »

Calvin,
I did not expect to change spots. Sort of like the link I clicked on that was led by same distinction.

When you get us out there (Iraq)you will probably be fighting here.
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« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2008, 08:32:01 AM »

Nettie,
I definitely will comment on this. I did not realize what Women on the view was or something to click on until I saw the hand to click.
Is this the filth you want people to click on. I cannot believe you did this on these posts or look at this. Filthy language and all and filled with racism. You have defined yourself and do not derserve any answers from anyone.  :o

What are you talking about?  What filth?  What racism?  I saw this yesterday and watched it again just now because I thought I might have missed something.  All I saw was these women discussing the big news of the day and they were clearly moved by what had happened.  Whether you agree with his politics, to have a black man elected as President in light of how they were treated for years was something to see.  I thought it was very moving when Sheri talked about looking at her son and realizing that yes, he can be anything he wants to be.  He will not be held back because of his skin color.  I'm not sure where you are coming from but I think it is you who have defined yourself.

Thank you, GRAT.  While I could count the number of times I have watched The View on one hand, I certainly could not characterize it as "filth".  My husband shared with me last evening the statement Whoopi Goldberg made, about having always felt like she was an American but now finally felt like she could put down her suitcase.  Well, he tried to share it with me but he was so moved that his voice was choked and his face full of tears... When he did finally get it out I joined him with my own face full of tears.  What he also found significant were Elizabeth Hasselbeck's (sp?) kind and conciliatory words rather than bitterness that her candidate had not been chosen.  My husband was quite pleasantly surprised by them.  It is the thoughts and reflections of those women I attempted to share by posting the link.

SSOM said "You can not measure america by these women, at least I seriously hope not."

What I said was "What some of the world is thinking..."  I wasn't measuring America by the women on The View but they do represent the views of some women. Of course, each one of those women are Americans and, as such, each of their lives and each of their opinions holds equal value to the lives and opinions of any other citizen.

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« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2008, 08:48:23 AM »

The election is over now. What did Jesus request of us when it comes to government? Did the Roman government in the days fo Jesus do things that are even as bad as what Obama is accused of?
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