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[bonnie]

I know that in the past you have held positions of responsibility in the church. Your friend Stan Jensen said on another forum that you did contract work for the GC and they were well pleased.

Do you believe or do you have reason to think that the GC and the MN conference would be well pleased to deal with the National Enquirer? Could it be that part of your contract responsibilities do include the suggestion you have made and the call for others to notify the media.

Before any want to place themselves in front of that train wreck, stop and consider Joe the Plumber on the political scene. A innocent question to the wrong person has caused him no end of embarrassment.

Getting the media interested in 3ABN as an SDA independent ministry may wake some things the MN conference is hoping stay sleeping.
It also has  a strange way of turning the seeming "hero" on his head in a not very flattering position.


It will be interesting to see who among you rushes to the media with Bob's name and how quickly they may want to look at all of you, especially Bob as well.


Or maybe as 3ABN never did have a warm and fuzzy relationship  as I understand it with the SDA org, they may actually welcome the camera focused on them. If others get trampled in the process, it can be considered "all for the greater good"


Will be interesting

[SDAminister]

I know that in the past you have held positions of responsibility in the church. Your friend Stan Jensen said on another forum that you did contract work for the GC and they were well pleased.

Do you believe or do you have reason to think that the GC and the MN conference would be well pleased to deal with the National Enquirer? Could it be that part of your contract responsibilities do include the suggestion you have made and the call for others to notify the media.

FWIW,
In the beginning, 3ABN vainly tried to keep this whole lawsuit closed and away from the the media and even from any public view. But now, they are the ones notifying the media of the suit's current status. They issued a press release. A press release is intended for the press. Should they care if it is the Enquirer or Newsweek?

BTW, if it wasn't for the National Enquirer, John Edwards would probably be the Democrat V.P. candidate today. Or did they step out of line by running the story of his affair and "love" child?

I would be interested in knowing how many news organizations 3ABN faxed that press release to. Bonnie, maybe you should start a new thread "Questions I would like to ask 3ABN" and make this your first question. And did you notice the many falsehoods and inaccuracies in that press release?

1. "The Board made the difficult decision to file a lawsuit after first applying biblical principles on conflict resolution."   Which Bible were they using? New World Translation? Did they apply biblical principles which forbid they suing of a brother in a worldly court? Or is the testimony by at least two apostles not clear enough?
2. "The suit came only after 3ABN tried to persuade Mr. Pickle and Mr. Joy to shut down websites they owned and operated which were being used to spread disparaging statements about 3ABN, and its founder and past president, Danny Shelton. "  I'll spot you two and see if you can find the third: Did Mr. Pickle own these sites?; Was Danny "founder" or "co-founder"? And you guessed the third, there are no disparaging statements proved yet!


SDAminister

[bonnie]

FWIW,
In the beginning, 3ABN vainly tried to keep this whole lawsuit closed and away from the the media and even from any public view. But now, they are the ones notifying the media of the suit's current status. They issued a press release. A press release is intended for the press. Should they care if it is the Enquirer or Newsweek?

Big difference in a press release even if not truthful and what you want done.

BTW, if it wasn't for the National Enquirer, John Edwards would probably be the Democrat V.P. candidate today. Or did they step out of line by running the story of his affair and "love" child?

John Edwards has nothing to do with this.

I would be interested in knowing how many news organizations 3ABN faxed that press release to. Bonnie, maybe you should start a new thread "Questions I would like to ask 3ABN" and make this your first question. And did you notice the many falsehoods and inaccuracies in that press release?

I couldn't care less. I doubt it would be that many tho,most would not be aware there was a lawsuit to give a press release over.
You know as well as I, what you are looking to accommplish is everything you know being played out in the media. You can always ask them how many.

1. "The Board made the difficult decision to file a lawsuit after first applying biblical principles on conflict resolution."   Which Bible were they using? New World Translation? Did they apply biblical principles which forbid they suing of a brother in a worldly court? Or is the testimony by at least two apostles not clear enough?
2. "The suit came only after 3ABN tried to persuade Mr. Pickle and Mr. Joy to shut down websites they owned and operated which were being used to spread disparaging statements about 3ABN, and its founder and past president, Danny Shelton. "  I'll spot you two and see if you can find the third: Did Mr. Pickle own these sites?; Was Danny "founder" or "co-founder"? And you guessed the third, there are no disparaging statements proved yet!

What did you expect them to put in the press relase.
Why not go about your business of counter suing .The one wanting the media should take the responsibilty for doing so.
If the media were interested they will look closely at the accuser as wel. Maybe on second thought it would not be a bad idea



SDAminister
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[Habanero]

Bonnie, IMO any desire that 3ABN and Bob may have to get 3ABN's press release and any other stuff out on to the news, and your perpetual argumentations are entirely moot. 3ABN and Danny are big fish in a miniscule pond that nobody but Adventists even knows about. The mass media is interested in things that are interesting to the largest audience possible. The SDA population is one of the smallest audiences possible and have their own news platforms.

In short, your fears and Bob's hopes are all in vain. It just won't happen.

[Johann]

In short, your fears and Bob's hopes are all in vain. It just won't happen.

Any other nonsense worth discussing?

[bonnie]

Bonnie, IMO any desire that 3ABN and Bob may have to get 3ABN's press release and any other stuff out on to the news, and your perpetual argumentations are entirely moot. 3ABN and Danny are big fish in a miniscule pond that nobody but Adventists even knows about. The mass media is interested in things that are interesting to the largest audience possible. The SDA population is one of the smallest audiences possible and have their own news platforms.

In short, your fears and Bob's hopes are all in vain. It just won't happen.

I don't believe it will either. The intent is there and the request for others to do something to keep this going as long as possible

[bonnie]

Any other nonsense worth discussing?

This would have been appropriate following Bob's request to go to various media outlet's and maybe getting the National Enquirer to pay.

But that wasn't really the questions I asked Bob

[ex3abnemployee]

I don't believe it will either. The intent is there and the request for others to do something to keep this going as long as possible

Think about this. Danny and 3ABN filed this suit on the grounds that "gossip and slander" was being spread. Bob and Gailon fought for a long time to get documents that would either prove or disprove their allegations. After several months, Danny was finally dragged kicking and screaming into releasing the documents.

Now that Bob and Gailon have the opportunity to prove that they were right, and after spending thousands of dollars and man-hours on their defense, Danny wants to say, "oh....never mind."

The goal is clear. Make Bob and Gailon return the documents Danny is so desperate to keep hidden, and then start the lawsuit all over again. This will make Bob and Gailon have to start from square one to get documentation.

This is typical Danny. You have said yourself you don't believe he is innocent. Why should he have to opportunity to keep hiding what he is doing while trying to destroy anyone who crosses him? Is that fair?

[bonnie]

Think about this. Danny and 3ABN filed this suit on the grounds that "gossip and slander" was being spread. Bob and Gailon fought for a long time to get documents that would either prove or disprove their allegations. After several months, Danny was finally dragged kicking and screaming into releasing the documents.

Now that Bob and Gailon have the opportunity to prove that they were right, and after spending thousands of dollars and man-hours on their defense, Danny wants to say, "oh....never mind."

The goal is clear. Make Bob and Gailon return the documents Danny is so desperate to keep hidden, and then start the lawsuit all over again. This will make Bob and Gailon have to start from square one to get documentation.

This is typical Danny. You have said yourself you don't believe he is innocent. Why should he have to opportunity to keep hiding what he is doing while trying to destroy anyone who crosses him? Is that fair?

I would have to think they just might suspect Gailon and Bob might keep copies,don't you?

No, I don't believe he is innocent. 
Bob and Gailon have said I think they don't intend to drop the lawsuit. But sometimes you just end up biting the bullet.

Very little about life is fair,I have a mighty long list as do most people about what "is not fair"

Let them battle it out in a courtroom if possible,give your own press release without trying to get a "big interview" for Bob.
Stop playing I Spy sin with any and all that are connected to 3ABN.

If you want your own live uprooted in the unlikely event the media would be interested,go for,but don't try to get others to go before you.

Quit with implication and innuendo. If something is true and warrents disclosure,do so,with out all the fancy footwork involved.

[Habanero]

That would be fine and reasonable, Bonnie, except that in with Danny they are dealing with someone who doesn't walk away. They are dealing with someone for whom a fight is a fight to the finish. When this one is over someone will walk out of the ring and someone won't. I think Duane knows that when in a fight with Danny a person doesn't ever just bite the bullet and walk away. They will not be allowed to walk away. One battle may be closing, but the war is no where near done. Look at the Linda thing. Years later Danny and his minions still pursue her and they will continue until she is irreversably crushed and has no chance of standing again.

[bonnie]

That would be fine and reasonable, Bonnie, except that in with Danny they are dealing with someone who doesn't walk away. They are dealing with someone for whom a fight is a fight to the finish. When this one is over someone will walk out of the ring and someone won't. I think Duane knows that when in a fight with Danny a person doesn't ever just bite the bullet and walk away. They will not be allowed to walk away. One battle may be closing, but the war is no where near done. Look at the Linda thing. Years later Danny and his minions still pursue her and they will continue until she is irreversably crushed and has no chance of standing again.

Most people realize I don't walk away from a fight easily,not if in my heart of hearts I believe I am right.
That isn't the point here. If they feel they must pursue it,do so with  honesty and straightforwardness.

When I saw what bob did with the "Explosive Charges" topic,it did not take much to realize it was just a little pretense and sneakiness involved. Frankly, from that point on I have not readily believed what he had to say.
Small in the scheme of things,but if you pretend and use sneaky tactics in minor things I am not going to bother to sift thru the major issues to see what I can believe.
Instead of putting it together and then letting members here see it and give their opinion,it was done using artiste to pretend she just stumbled across this very explosive video. That is poppycock. Interesting that the so called interview was done by someone no one has ever heard off nor have they since.
This,when it concerns people's life and deals with a religious group is far to serious to play this kind of childish game.
Same with Phipps,the I regret,baloney. It could not get on here fast enough with the horrifying news that there was a sabbath breaker connected to 3ABN.

This stuff is serious. The war is never won.  That does not excuse unethical,sneaky pretense to try to pile a little more on.
There should be none of this sly innuendo from people that just sort of seem to drop from the sky. If you have facts and you believe it to be important,out with it. If not and it is done just to smear a little more or add suspicion, the ones doing so are no better than the ones they are after.
Maybe she is or still feels pursued because there are so many that appear to keep shoving her name and list of woes ahead of them.
And when all is said and done,no matter how long this goes,no one can fix it for her.
No one can fix it for TS alleged victims,that sadly at this stage of the game isn't going to happen.

[SDAminister]

FWIW,
In the beginning, 3ABN vainly tried to keep this whole lawsuit closed and away from the the media and even from any public view. But now, they are the ones notifying the media of the suit's current status. They issued a press release. A press release is intended for the press. Should they care if it is the Enquirer or Newsweek?

Big difference in a press release even if not truthful and what you want done.

BTW, if it wasn't for the National Enquirer, John Edwards would probably be the Democrat V.P. candidate today. Or did they step out of line by running the story of his affair and "love" child?

John Edwards has nothing to do with this.

I would be interested in knowing how many news organizations 3ABN faxed that press release to. Bonnie, maybe you should start a new thread "Questions I would like to ask 3ABN" and make this your first question. And did you notice the many falsehoods and inaccuracies in that press release?

I couldn't care less. I doubt it would be that many tho,most would not be aware there was a lawsuit to give a press release over.
You know as well as I, what you are looking to accommplish is everything you know being played out in the media. You can always ask them how many.

1. "The Board made the difficult decision to file a lawsuit after first applying biblical principles on conflict resolution."   Which Bible were they using? New World Translation? Did they apply biblical principles which forbid they suing of a brother in a worldly court? Or is the testimony by at least two apostles not clear enough?
2. "The suit came only after 3ABN tried to persuade Mr. Pickle and Mr. Joy to shut down websites they owned and operated which were being used to spread disparaging statements about 3ABN, and its founder and past president, Danny Shelton. "  I'll spot you two and see if you can find the third: Did Mr. Pickle own these sites?; Was Danny "founder" or "co-founder"? And you guessed the third, there are no disparaging statements proved yet!

What did you expect them to put in the press relase.
Why not go about your business of counter suing .The one wanting the media should take the responsibilty for doing so.
If the media were interested they will look closely at the accuser as wel. Maybe on second thought it would not be a bad idea



SDAminister

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Bonnie,
The way you signed the above post using my user name is not appropriate and has the potential to misconstrue my position in this affair.

Furthermore, you state "Why not go about your business of counter suing .The one wanting the media should take the responsibilty for doing so."
I am not involved in any counter suing. I am not a party on either the plaintiff's or the defendant's side. I am not Gailon. I am not Bob. I am not Danny. I am not Linda. I am not even Mark Finley. So, the "your business of counter suing" statement is false.

SDAminister

[Johann]

That would be fine and reasonable, Bonnie, except that in with Danny they are dealing with someone who doesn't walk away. They are dealing with someone for whom a fight is a fight to the finish. When this one is over someone will walk out of the ring and someone won't. I think Duane knows that when in a fight with Danny a person doesn't ever just bite the bullet and walk away. They will not be allowed to walk away. One battle may be closing, but the war is no where near done. Look at the Linda thing. Years later Danny and his minions still pursue her and they will continue until she is irreversably crushed and has no chance of standing again.

Is there a good reason why we should be quiet about this?

[bonnie]

Is there a good reason why we should be quiet about this?

Not sure where you are getting this. I didn't say to keep anything quiet as far as I can tell. Maybe you were referring to someone else.


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[Johann]

Haven't seen you for some time, Bonnie. Have you been saying some nice things about AT elsewhere? Give us your friendly report.

That note was for Habanero. You want to have a part in it too?