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[bonnie]

How does all this recent discussion relate to this topic?


Daryl,

Quite a lot of people have noticed that <bonnie> is spending her nights and days on this forum. Advent Talk is her permanent address.

Edward, Are you still so cranky? You certainly need something in your life except me to worry about.




[qoute] We became members of this forum a few days apart, around the beginning of February 2008.
Since then, that is, during the past TEN MONTHS, I posted 61 messages, while she posted 1143 (ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE ) messages. Only a few of them, probably less than 3%, are related to the intended topics of the threads. All the other messages she posted are unrelated to the topics, uninformed, and irrelevant. [/quote]

Maybe because you are not intelligent enough to make the connection, that's okay. Keep rattling on about my life

You have to understand, this is the only outlet for her obsessive-compulsive need to meddle in everybody's business. Please, be compassionate to her!

Oops, isn't this where precise bob wold come in and demand proof of that. Now whos life am I meddling in??

I thought I read somewhere that we are to engage in "respectful discussion" That must have been a joke, Right?.

Just so you don't get overly stressed about the time it appears I spend on here,I want you to know I did not logout last night and this morning it was of course still on the front page
Maybe this....I posted 61 messages, while she posted 1143 (ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE ) messages. is because I have only one name to post under.

You really need to get a life and quite being so obsessive-complusive about how I spend my time

Only a few of them, probably less than 3%, are related to the intended topics of the threads. All the other messages she posted are unrelated to the topics, uninformed, and irrelevant.

You sure spend a great deal of time monitoring my day.. Going thru all those posts must have taken up much of your valuable energy and time.
You need to quit obsessing on me and get a real life .
OTOH, you may want to speak to Bob as he was the one that introduced much of this.

[bonnie]

In case you  missed this .
For respectfully discussing any issues and concerns pertaining to 3ABN


Seems you may have veered off track here a bit and made Bob's issue of fiction reading my going of topic.
Maybe Daryl can explain what he means by the above or who it may apply to.

[Wendall]

Bonnie,
I will not read anymore of your posts. You have become a stumblingbock to me.

[bonnie]

Bonnie,
I will not read anymore of your posts. You have become a stumblingbock to me.

Oh yes. Have to commend you,that is a new one.Might even work

 Are you trying to tell me that those that call others trash,having no value are not a stumbling block>
Thats okay,please don't read

[bonnie]

For my own education here.could you please point out what has bothered you

[GrandmaNettie]

How does all this recent discussion relate to this topic?

Daryl,

What a great question!  This recent discussion about what some deem "sin" and why they deem it so is based precisely on the issues raised in the OP that SDAminister opened with.

I believe that this topic and the ensuing discussion, out of a many of other topics here in the 3abn subforum, gives us an excellent opportunity to get to the brass tacks of the "Who-What-Where-Why-When-and How's behind this controversy about behavior deemed as "sin".  I'm not talking about the obvious sins like pastoral abuse, but the ones that are "sins" according to what some perceive as SDA standards within the denomination.

As with all of the other discussion in this subforum, some tend to get a little overheated in their responses, but I do hope that you will allow this discussion to continue so that we can hash it out to a successfully clear conclusion, wherever that happens to be. 

Oops, edited to repair sentence construction...

[GrandmaNettie]

You may happen to believe every word EW uttered is straight from God, I do not think so. If so God got it wrong a few times.

Don't be absurd. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not you believe that Jesus accurately testified by His Spirit through the prophet in inspired books, articles, and other types of messages.

For example, many professed Christians might say that the Bible is inspired, but then they will point to this part or that part that they think is wrong, such as the creation account. They are wrong when they do that.

Let's leave the discussion about the inspiration of Bible for the Theology subforum.  The issue of the inspiration of EGW writings is entirely appropriate to discuss in this thread since SDAminister is basing the claims against McKee/Little Debbie on passages she has written.

You state that the issue is whether or not some believe that Jesus accurately testified by His Spirit through the prophet in inspired books, articles and other types of messages.  Who could argue that Jesus would ever be inaccurate in His testimony?  Of course He is never inaccurate, but was He always the inspiration for EGW's writings?  Was everything she wrote down inspired and 100% accurate?

If all are accurate and should be the standards of this denomination, are you praying for and laboring with Gailon to show him that chess is just as dangerous and sinful as are the novels that SDAminister is criticizing McKee for promoting?

SDAminister condemned Mr. McKee for the commercials that McKee Foods runs to advertise their Little Debbies, calling the talking koala bear in one an "abomination", using for examples three YouTube videos and then asking "How is this Sharing Christ in the Marketplace?".  are you going to challenge Gailon on how he is "Sharing Christ in the Marketplace?" when he is posting quite venomously to those who dare to question?  What does EGW have to say about how we are to treat our fellow Christians and neighbors?

Testimonies for the Church, Volume Two, Pages 50 - 55 ~ Chapter 8. Evilspeaking:

Brother F has had the cause of God at heart, but he has felt too deeply, and has taken on many burdens which he should not have borne. He has suffered in health in this way. He has sometimes viewed matters in a strong light, and has been too earnest and anxious to have all see them just as he did; and because they were backward in doing so, he has felt nearly crushed. He feels to the depths, and is in danger of urging his views of things too strongly.
 
Sister F wants to be a Christian, but she has not cultivated discretion and true courtesy. She is of a very sanguine turn of mind, ardent and self-confident. She shows the rough part of her character, and has not appeared to advantage. She has moved from impulse, acting just as she felt, and sometimes her feelings have been much excited and strong. She has strong likes and dislikes, and has permitted this unfortunate trait in her character to develop itself, greatly to the detriment of her own spiritual advancement and to the injury of the church. She has talked too much and unwisely, just as she felt. This has had a strong influence upon her husband, and has at times led him to move from excitement of feeling, when if he had waited and looked at matters calmly and weighed them properly, it would have been better for himself and for the church. Nothing is gained by moving hurriedly, moving from impulse, or from strong feeling.
 
Sister F moves from impulse, and finds fault, and has had too much to say against her brethren and sisters. This will cause confusion in any church. If she could control her own spirit, a great victory would be gained. If she would seek the heavenly adorning, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, calls of great price, she would then be a real help to the church. If she would cherish the spirit of Christ, and become a peacemaker, her own soul would flourish, and she would be a blessing to the church wherever she might be located. Unless she is converted and an entire change is wrought in her, unless she educates herself to be slow to speak and slow to wrath, and cultivates true Christian courtesy, her influence will prove injurious, and the happiness of others connected with her will suffer. She manifests an independence which is a damage to her and alienates her friends. This independence has caused her much trouble and has wounded her best friends.

If those who had means were close in their deal with her husband, and did not favor him more than worldlings in business transactions, she has felt and talked, and aroused feelings of dissatisfaction where none previously existed. This is a selfish world at best. Many of those who profess the truth are not sanctified by it, and may not have a heart to make even a trifling variation in the prices of produce when dealing with a poor brother, sooner than they would with an able worldling. They do not love their neighbors as themselves. It would be more pleasing to God were there less selfishness and more disinterested benevolence.
 
As Sister F has seen a selfish spirit manifest in deal, she has committed a greater sin by feeling and talking in regard to the matter as she has. She has erred in expecting too much. The tongue has been truly an unruly member, a world of iniquity, set on fire of hell, untamed and untamable. Sister F has had a spirit of retaliation, manifesting by her deportment that she was offended. This was all wrong. She has cherished bitter feelings, which are foreign to the spirit of Christ. Anger, resentment, and all kinds of unkind tempers are indulged by speaking against those with whom we are displeased, and by reciting the errors and failings and sins of neighbors. The lustful desires are gratified.

Sister F, if you are grieved because your neighbors or friends are doing wrong to their own hurt, if they are overtaken in fault, follow the Bible rule. "Tell him his fault between thee and him alone." As you go to the one you suppose to be in error, see that you speak in a meek and lowly spirit; for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. The erring can be restored in no other way than in the spirit of meekness, gentleness, and tender love. Be careful in your manner. Avoid anything in look or gesture, word or tone, that savors of pride or self-sufficiency. Guard yourself against a word or look that would exalt yourself, or place your goodness and righteousness in contrast with their failings. Beware of the most distant approach to disdain, overbearing, or contempt. With care avoid every appearance of anger; and though you use plainness of speech, let there be no reproach, no railing accusation, no token of warmth but that of earnest love. Above all, let there be no shadow of hate or ill will, no bitterness or sourness of expression. Nothing but kindness and gentleness can flow from a heart of love. Yet all these precious fruits need not hinder you from speaking in the most serious, solemn manner, as though angels were directing their eyes upon you, and you were acting in reference to the coming judgment. Bear in mind that the success of reproof depends greatly upon the spirit in which it is given. Do not neglect earnest prayer that you may possess a lowly mind, and that angels of God may go before you to work upon the hearts you are trying to reach, and so soften them by heavenly impressions that your efforts may avail. If any good is accomplished, take no credit to yourself. God alone should be exalted. God alone has done it all.

You have excused yourself for speaking evil of your brother or sister or neighbor to others before going to him and taking the steps which God has absolutely commanded. You say: "Why, I did not speak to anyone until I was so burdened that I could not refrain." What burdened you? Was it not a plain neglect of your own duty, of a thus saith the Lord? You were under the guilt of sin because you did not go and tell the offender his fault between you and him alone. If you did not do this, if you disobeyed God, how could you be otherwise than burdened unless your heart was hardened while you were trampling the command of God underfoot, and in your heart hating your brother or neighbor? And what way have you found to unburden yourself? God reproves you for a sin of omission in not telling your brother his fault, and you excuse and comfort yourself by a sin of commission by telling your brother's faults to another person! Is this the right way to purchase ease--by committing sin?
 
All your efforts to save the erring may be unavailing. They may repay you evil for good. They may be enraged rather than convinced. What if they hear to no good purpose, and pursue the evil course they have begun? This will frequently occur. Sometimes the mildest and tenderest reproof will have no good effect. In that case the blessing you wanted another to receive by pursuing a course of righteousness, ceasing to do evil and learning to do well, will return into your own bosom. If the erring persist in sin, treat them kindly, and leave them with your heavenly Father. You have delivered your soul; their sin no longer rests upon you; you are not now partaker of their sin. But if they perish, their blood is upon their own head.

Dear friend, an entire transformation must take place in you, or you will be weighed in the balance and found wanting. The church at -----, especially talking women, have a lesson to learn. "If any man [or woman] among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain." Many will be weighed in the balance and found wanting in this matter of so great importance. Where are the Christians who walk by this rule? who will take God's part against the evilspeaker? who will please God, and set a watch, a continual watch, before the mouth, and keep the door of the lips? Speak evil of no man. Hear evil of no man. If there be no hearers, there will be no speakers of evil. If anyone speaks evil in your presence, check him. Refuse to hear him, though his manner be ever so soft and his accents mild. He may profess attachment, and yet throw out covert hints and stab the character in the dark.

Resolutely refuse to hear, though the whisperer complains of being burdened till he speak. Burdened indeed! with a cursed secret which separateth very friends. Go, burdened ones, and free yourselves from your burden in God's appointed way. First go tell your brother his fault between you and him alone. If this fail, next take with you one or two friends, and tell him in their presence. If these steps fail, then tell it to the church. Not an unbeliever is to be made acquainted with the slightest particular of the matter. Telling it to the church is the last step to be taken. Publish it not to the enemies of our faith. They have no right to the knowledge of church matters, lest the weakness and errors of Christ's followers be exposed.
Those who are preparing for the coming of Christ should be sober and watch unto prayer, for our adversary, the devil, goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour; whom we are to resist steadfast in the faith. "He that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open unto their prayers."

Of course I know that Gailon went to Danny sort of privately, first because I've read the emails of their exchanges along with the MANY others who were in the GAJ email loop at the time.  Gailon did not approach Danny in the manner that EGW counseled Sister F. to do.  The writings above are undeniably clear in their counsel on how to treat others.  Is her counsel accurate, inspired, an SDA standard that makes evilspeaking to others a sin?

Is it a safe procedure to use a manner that is condemned by the Spirit of Prophecy to call sin by its right name?  Is it morally right to treat our neighbors in a way other than how Jesus wants us to treat them? 

Is it appropriate to condemn Mr. McKee for not conducting his business affairs in accordance to EGW standards while Gailon and others are not holding to those standards?

[Ben Brantley]

Who put grandma in charge of what is ok to post in what thread?

Let's leave the discussion about the inspiration of Bible for the Theology subforum.  The issue of the inspiration of EGW writings is entirely appropriate to discuss in this thread since SDAminister is basing the claims against McKee/Little Debbie on passages she has written.

You state that the issue is whether or not some believe that Jesus accurately testified by His Spirit through the prophet in inspired books, articles and other types of messages.  Who could argue that Jesus would ever be inaccurate in His testimony?  Of course He is never inaccurate, but was He always the inspiration for EGW's writings?  Was everything she wrote down inspired and 100% accurate?

If all are accurate and should be the standards of this denomination, are you praying for and laboring with Gailon to show him that chess is just as dangerous and sinful as are the novels that SDAminister is criticizing McKee for promoting?

SDAminister condemned Mr. McKee for the commercials that McKee Foods runs to advertise their Little Debbies, calling the talking koala bear in one an "abomination", using for examples three YouTube videos and then asking "How is this Sharing Christ in the Marketplace?".  are you going to challenge Gailon on how he is "Sharing Christ in the Marketplace?" when he is posting quite venomously to those who dare to question?  What does EGW have to say about how we are to treat our fellow Christians and neighbors?

Testimonies for the Church, Volume Two, Pages 50 - 55 ~ Chapter 8. Evilspeaking:

Brother F has had the cause of God at heart, but he has felt too deeply, and has taken on many burdens which he should not have borne. He has suffered in health in this way. He has sometimes viewed matters in a strong light, and has been too earnest and anxious to have all see them just as he did; and because they were backward in doing so, he has felt nearly crushed. He feels to the depths, and is in danger of urging his views of things too strongly.
 
Sister F wants to be a Christian, but she has not cultivated discretion and true courtesy. She is of a very sanguine turn of mind, ardent and self-confident. She shows the rough part of her character, and has not appeared to advantage. She has moved from impulse, acting just as she felt, and sometimes her feelings have been much excited and strong. She has strong likes and dislikes, and has permitted this unfortunate trait in her character to develop itself, greatly to the detriment of her own spiritual advancement and to the injury of the church. She has talked too much and unwisely, just as she felt. This has had a strong influence upon her husband, and has at times led him to move from excitement of feeling, when if he had waited and looked at matters calmly and weighed them properly, it would have been better for himself and for the church. Nothing is gained by moving hurriedly, moving from impulse, or from strong feeling.
 
Sister F moves from impulse, and finds fault, and has had too much to say against her brethren and sisters. This will cause confusion in any church. If she could control her own spirit, a great victory would be gained. If she would seek the heavenly adorning, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, calls of great price, she would then be a real help to the church. If she would cherish the spirit of Christ, and become a peacemaker, her own soul would flourish, and she would be a blessing to the church wherever she might be located. Unless she is converted and an entire change is wrought in her, unless she educates herself to be slow to speak and slow to wrath, and cultivates true Christian courtesy, her influence will prove injurious, and the happiness of others connected with her will suffer. She manifests an independence which is a damage to her and alienates her friends. This independence has caused her much trouble and has wounded her best friends.

If those who had means were close in their deal with her husband, and did not favor him more than worldlings in business transactions, she has felt and talked, and aroused feelings of dissatisfaction where none previously existed. This is a selfish world at best. Many of those who profess the truth are not sanctified by it, and may not have a heart to make even a trifling variation in the prices of produce when dealing with a poor brother, sooner than they would with an able worldling. They do not love their neighbors as themselves. It would be more pleasing to God were there less selfishness and more disinterested benevolence.
 
As Sister F has seen a selfish spirit manifest in deal, she has committed a greater sin by feeling and talking in regard to the matter as she has. She has erred in expecting too much. The tongue has been truly an unruly member, a world of iniquity, set on fire of hell, untamed and untamable. Sister F has had a spirit of retaliation, manifesting by her deportment that she was offended. This was all wrong. She has cherished bitter feelings, which are foreign to the spirit of Christ. Anger, resentment, and all kinds of unkind tempers are indulged by speaking against those with whom we are displeased, and by reciting the errors and failings and sins of neighbors. The lustful desires are gratified.

Sister F, if you are grieved because your neighbors or friends are doing wrong to their own hurt, if they are overtaken in fault, follow the Bible rule. "Tell him his fault between thee and him alone." As you go to the one you suppose to be in error, see that you speak in a meek and lowly spirit; for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. The erring can be restored in no other way than in the spirit of meekness, gentleness, and tender love. Be careful in your manner. Avoid anything in look or gesture, word or tone, that savors of pride or self-sufficiency. Guard yourself against a word or look that would exalt yourself, or place your goodness and righteousness in contrast with their failings. Beware of the most distant approach to disdain, overbearing, or contempt. With care avoid every appearance of anger; and though you use plainness of speech, let there be no reproach, no railing accusation, no token of warmth but that of earnest love. Above all, let there be no shadow of hate or ill will, no bitterness or sourness of expression. Nothing but kindness and gentleness can flow from a heart of love. Yet all these precious fruits need not hinder you from speaking in the most serious, solemn manner, as though angels were directing their eyes upon you, and you were acting in reference to the coming judgment. Bear in mind that the success of reproof depends greatly upon the spirit in which it is given. Do not neglect earnest prayer that you may possess a lowly mind, and that angels of God may go before you to work upon the hearts you are trying to reach, and so soften them by heavenly impressions that your efforts may avail. If any good is accomplished, take no credit to yourself. God alone should be exalted. God alone has done it all.

You have excused yourself for speaking evil of your brother or sister or neighbor to others before going to him and taking the steps which God has absolutely commanded. You say: "Why, I did not speak to anyone until I was so burdened that I could not refrain." What burdened you? Was it not a plain neglect of your own duty, of a thus saith the Lord? You were under the guilt of sin because you did not go and tell the offender his fault between you and him alone. If you did not do this, if you disobeyed God, how could you be otherwise than burdened unless your heart was hardened while you were trampling the command of God underfoot, and in your heart hating your brother or neighbor? And what way have you found to unburden yourself? God reproves you for a sin of omission in not telling your brother his fault, and you excuse and comfort yourself by a sin of commission by telling your brother's faults to another person! Is this the right way to purchase ease--by committing sin?
 
All your efforts to save the erring may be unavailing. They may repay you evil for good. They may be enraged rather than convinced. What if they hear to no good purpose, and pursue the evil course they have begun? This will frequently occur. Sometimes the mildest and tenderest reproof will have no good effect. In that case the blessing you wanted another to receive by pursuing a course of righteousness, ceasing to do evil and learning to do well, will return into your own bosom. If the erring persist in sin, treat them kindly, and leave them with your heavenly Father. You have delivered your soul; their sin no longer rests upon you; you are not now partaker of their sin. But if they perish, their blood is upon their own head.

Dear friend, an entire transformation must take place in you, or you will be weighed in the balance and found wanting. The church at -----, especially talking women, have a lesson to learn. "If any man [or woman] among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain." Many will be weighed in the balance and found wanting in this matter of so great importance. Where are the Christians who walk by this rule? who will take God's part against the evilspeaker? who will please God, and set a watch, a continual watch, before the mouth, and keep the door of the lips? Speak evil of no man. Hear evil of no man. If there be no hearers, there will be no speakers of evil. If anyone speaks evil in your presence, check him. Refuse to hear him, though his manner be ever so soft and his accents mild. He may profess attachment, and yet throw out covert hints and stab the character in the dark.

Resolutely refuse to hear, though the whisperer complains of being burdened till he speak. Burdened indeed! with a cursed secret which separateth very friends. Go, burdened ones, and free yourselves from your burden in God's appointed way. First go tell your brother his fault between you and him alone. If this fail, next take with you one or two friends, and tell him in their presence. If these steps fail, then tell it to the church. Not an unbeliever is to be made acquainted with the slightest particular of the matter. Telling it to the church is the last step to be taken. Publish it not to the enemies of our faith. They have no right to the knowledge of church matters, lest the weakness and errors of Christ's followers be exposed.
Those who are preparing for the coming of Christ should be sober and watch unto prayer, for our adversary, the devil, goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour; whom we are to resist steadfast in the faith. "He that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open unto their prayers."

Of course I know that Gailon went to Danny sort of privately, first because I've read the emails of their exchanges along with the MANY others who were in the GAJ email loop at the time.  Gailon did not approach Danny in the manner that EGW counseled Sister F. to do.  The writings above are undeniably clear in their counsel on how to treat others.  Is her counsel accurate, inspired, an SDA standard that makes evilspeaking to others a sin?

Is it a safe procedure to use a manner that is condemned by the Spirit of Prophecy to call sin by its right name?  Is it morally right to treat our neighbors in a way other than how Jesus wants us to treat them? 

Is it appropriate to condemn Mr. McKee for not conducting his business affairs in accordance to EGW standards while Gailon and others are not holding to those standards?

[Bob Pickle]

Don't be absurd. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not you believe that Jesus accurately testified by His Spirit through the prophet in inspired books, articles, and other types of messages.

For example, many professed Christians might say that the Bible is inspired, but then they will point to this part or that part that they think is wrong, such as the creation account. They are wrong when they do that.

You are being absurd. This has nothing to do with the topic. No one  raised  the issue of the bible being inspired or not.

You suggested that an inspired writer's inspired works could contain error, and I pointed out that skeptics do the same thing with the Bible. Since you raised the point, I was on topic.

[Bob Pickle]

This is not about porn except maybe in the mind of Bob

Why twist what I was saying? There was a question about whether bans of or concerns about certain literature are appropriate, and I was merely pointing out that everyone agrees that there are times when such are appropriate.

I never said that all would or should agree about what the bans or concerns should be.

[bonnie]

You suggested that an inspired writer's inspired works could contain error, and I pointed out that skeptics do the same thing with the Bible. Since you raised the point, I was on topic.

To me you come awfully close of putting EW on par with the bible ,"with skeptics do same with bible"

We are not talking of those that do not believe the bible as written.

Not quite Bob.It was more I do not believe every word that EW wrote is inspired. I also think there is error as in

Women cinching their waists so tight they could barely breath because of fashion and a baby inheriting a "wasp waist"
There is not a grain of truth in that.
While unhealthy and not a wise thing to do,the baby would not inherit such.

[bonnie]

Why twist what I was saying? There was a question about whether bans of or concerns about certain literature are appropriate, and I was merely pointing out that everyone agrees that there are times when such are appropriate.

I never said that all would or should agree about what the bans or concerns should be.

Didn't twist what you were saying. Bringing in the porn issue while talking about Black beauty and Tom Sawyer was twisting the topic. As to bans from one religious denomination to try to control what others do is not appropriate .To try to enofrce or condemn those that do not believe every word written by EW is inspired is not appropriate.

Can you tell me, do you play chess,checkers?

[Bob Pickle]

Let's leave the discussion about the inspiration of Bible for the Theology subforum.  The issue of the inspiration of EGW writings is entirely appropriate to discuss in this thread since SDAminister is basing the claims against McKee/Little Debbie on passages she has written.

Sorry. One of the best ways to show the absurdity of some positions about the Spirit of prophecy is to show how those same positions destroy the credibility of the Bible. Thus, the discussion of both go together at times.

You state that the issue is whether or not some believe that Jesus accurately testified by His Spirit through the prophet in inspired books, articles and other types of messages.  Who could argue that Jesus would ever be inaccurate in His testimony?  Of course He is never inaccurate, but was He always the inspiration for EGW's writings?  Was everything she wrote down inspired and 100% accurate?

Grocery lists? No. But we aren't talking about grocery lists.

The same question gets asked about the Bible. take a look at how God kept Balaam and Nathan straight, preventing them from giving a wrong message to Balak and David.

There was an incident like that of Nathan regarding the possible closure of Southern Publishing. Thus God ensured that Ellen White correctly conveyed Jesus' testimony.

Of course I know that Gailon went to Danny sort of privately, first because I've read the emails of their exchanges along with the MANY others who were in the GAJ email loop at the time.  Gailon did not approach Danny in the manner that EGW counseled Sister F. to do.  The writings above are undeniably clear in their counsel on how to treat others.  Is her counsel accurate, inspired, an SDA standard that makes evilspeaking to others a sin?

Do you think that Danny should be dealt with the same way that Sr. F was?

[Bob Pickle]

Women cinching their waists so tight they could barely breath because of fashion and a baby inheriting a "wasp waist"
There is not a grain of truth in that.
While unhealthy and not a wise thing to do,the baby would not inherit such.

And how would you know?

Why not quote the actual statement, and then explain how you know that there is no possible way such could happen.

Do the children of drunkards inherit defects? Is that via genetics or some other mechanism?

[Bob Pickle]

Why twist what I was saying? There was a question about whether bans of or concerns about certain literature are appropriate, and I was merely pointing out that everyone agrees that there are times when such are appropriate.

I never said that all would or should agree about what the bans or concerns should be.

Didn't twist what you were saying. Bringing in the porn issue while talking about Black beauty and Tom Sawyer was twisting the topic. As to bans from one religious denomination to try to control what others do is not appropriate .To try to enofrce or condemn those that do not believe every word written by EW is inspired is not appropriate.

Can you tell me, do you play chess,checkers?

It wasn't twisting the topic. It was making a point regarding bans or concerns regarding certain literature.

No, I don't play chess or checkers.