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[bonnie]

Now we have clarity, Grandma and Bonnie...just plain rebels against the Spirit of Prophecy...no wonder you have a problem with identifying the truth!!! If your needle on the compass does not identify true north, you may just be headed the wrong direction.

Maybe, you should spend some time in the EG White Library and see if you can find true north!!! There is a sure path found in those pages and loads of foundational philosophy that will help you to see error with clarity.


Who, knows, Grandma, you might just figure out what the TRUTH is.

Gailon Arthur Joy

No Gailon, what we have is a couple of people that have set themselves up as judge and jury. I certainly hope I have trouble identifying the truth of you and Bob. Such smugness. If you and I are on the same path, I definitely am headed in the wrong direction. If the canonization and exalting EW to near perfect status I have no interest in spending time there.

I know where my four sons  and their families are on Sabbath morning. I know what they believe, but more importantly they know what they believe and why, even after having read the real evil books of Tom Sawyer,Black beauty,and Old Yeller. All were very athletic,played a lot of sports, even played Rook and Flinch. None have sick fancies and none live in an imaginary world. None ended up as gamblers
I also know many the age of our sons that were raised by parents who would mirror your beliefs. Only one family besides ours remained consistently in the church. A few have returned and have done so stating they do not want their children growing up hating the sound of EW's name,thinking everything a sin that might be fun.

[Michael Kopper]

i dont know what your problem is.  werent you the one somewhere else who was worried about convincing people to visit an sda church?  you dont even know me.  how can i have a hisotry of blaming someone else?  im just an everage joe looking for some fellowship.  guess i came to the wrong place.

i dont know what to make of you people  wen i found this sight i thought i mite find good discusion and felowship with cristians

all of you are just at each others throtes  but of course its in the name of god so its ok

i had been thinking it mite be nice to try to visit one of your churchs

now i dont think so

sick  god must frown on you

Always blaming others is a bad habit, Michael. 

[SDAminister]

...My children were all avid readers and I most have chosen reasonably well as not one lives in an imaginary world or suffers from sick fancies.

You omitted "dwarfed in intellect". Or, would this apply?

[Habanero]

...My children were all avid readers and I most have chosen reasonably well as not one lives in an imaginary world or suffers from sick fancies.

You omitted "dwarfed in intellect". Or, would this apply?

"Dwarfed intellect" would be a state of intellect that those who try to keep people from reading and learning in areas where learning would threaten beliefs that are tenouos, try to keep people in. For the midieval Catholics is was basically anything written at all, for the Nazis it was anything Jewish or in any way educational in ways that would raise doubts about Naziism, for the Communists it is the news and anything else that shows the good side of capitalism, and for Adventism it is anything that expands the mind to the point that it searches beyond the limits that keep it boxed into the 19th century and make the person feel that any searching or studying beyond will relieve them of their mental capacity here on earth and their salvation beyond. When literature is banned in any way or form, it demonstrates quite conclusively that the one doing the banning has something to hide and is frightened of people finding things out. The surest way to drive me to read something is to tell me that I can't or shoudn't, or that you don't want me to.

[Habanero]

i dont know what to make of you people  wen i found this sight i thought i mite find good discusion and felowship with cristians

all of you are just at each others throtes  but of course its in the name of god so its ok

i had been thinking it mite be nice to try to visit one of your churchs

now i dont think so

sick  god must frown on you

If you are worried about God's frowns you might want to consider thinking for yourself or doing a little more research than one little chat site where the great controversy between good and evil is being fought. If you want to join it, be prepared for a good cosmic battle, otherwise maybe you should go find some other site to whine about.

[Michael Kopper]

well dont you people just have a high opinion of yhourselfs.  you really think this is where the battle between good and evil is being played out?  and nobody else matters?  you and that quadroplegic guy are a real piece of work.  im not interested in doing research.  all i wanted was to find some friends who would be their for me.  but this is what i find insted.

i dont know what to make of you people  wen i found this sight i thought i mite find good discusion and felowship with cristians

all of you are just at each others throtes  but of course its in the name of god so its ok

i had been thinking it mite be nice to try to visit one of your churchs

now i dont think so

sick  god must frown on you

If you are worried about God's frowns you might want to consider thinking for yourself or doing a little more research than one little chat site where the great controversy between good and evil is being fought. If you want to join it, be prepared for a good cosmic battle, otherwise maybe you should go find some other site to whine about.

[Bob Pickle]

You may happen to believe every word EW uttered is straight from God, I do not think so. If so God got it wrong a few times.

Don't be absurd. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not you believe that Jesus accurately testified by His Spirit through the prophet in inspired books, articles, and other types of messages.

For example, many professed Christians might say that the Bible is inspired, but then they will point to this part or that part that they think is wrong, such as the creation account. They are wrong when they do that.

[Bob Pickle]

...My children were all avid readers and I most have chosen reasonably well as not one lives in an imaginary world or suffers from sick fancies.

You omitted "dwarfed in intellect". Or, would this apply?

"Dwarfed intellect" would be a state of intellect that those who try to keep people from reading and learning in areas where learning would threaten beliefs that are tenouos, try to keep people in. For the midieval Catholics is was basically anything written at all, for the Nazis it was anything Jewish or in any way educational in ways that would raise doubts about Naziism, for the Communists it is the news and anything else that shows the good side of capitalism, and for Adventism it is anything that expands the mind to the point that it searches beyond the limits that keep it boxed into the 19th century and make the person feel that any searching or studying beyond will relieve them of their mental capacity here on earth and their salvation beyond. When literature is banned in any way or form, it demonstrates quite conclusively that the one doing the banning has something to hide and is frightened of people finding things out. The surest way to drive me to read something is to tell me that I can't or shoudn't, or that you don't want me to.

Well, if I as the head of my home ban Playboy and Penthouse from being within my doors, do you think my kids would be justified in accusing me of being a Nazi or a Communist? Even if they were but 8 years old?

Obviously, nearly everyone in the world would agree that under certain circumstances and within certain spheres outright bans of certain literature are appropriate. And if outright bans are permissible, then cautions rather than bans regarding other literature should also be permissible.

I do recall that both Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr abandoned their religious faith through the reading of infidel literature when they were young.

[bonnie]

Don't be absurd. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not you believe that Jesus accurately testified by His Spirit through the prophet in inspired books, articles, and other types of messages.

For example, many professed Christians might say that the Bible is inspired, but then they will point to this part or that part that they think is wrong, such as the creation account. They are wrong when they do that.

You are being absurd. This has nothing to do with the topic. No one  raised  the issue of the bible being inspired or not.

[bonnie]

Well, if I as the head of my home ban Playboy and Penthouse from being within my doors, do you think my kids would be justified in accusing me of being a Nazi or a Communist? Even if they were but 8 years old?

Precise Bob, let's get back to the original issue,which was not pornography. Which was the reading of fiction and that according to what you believe any that read will develop sick fancies and live in an imaginary world.

Obviously, nearly everyone in the world would agree that under certain circumstances and within certain spheres outright bans of certain literature are appropriate. And if outright bans are permissible, then cautions rather than bans regarding other literature should also be permissible.

Stick to the topic

I do recall that both Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr abandoned their religious faith through the reading of infidel literature when they were young.

 

 Yes I suppose my biggest fear with my children after reading the infidel books of Black beauty etc were it would lead to Playboy and have them live in an imaginary world.

edited to correct sentence

[Daryl Fawcett]

How does all this recent discussion relate to this topic?

[bonnie]

Tihs is what the discussion was. Let's stick to what it was before you end up trying to prove that those that do not agree with you think porn and such should be allowed reading for children.

 Re: Sabbath-breaking by another 3ABN Board Member
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Worldy Associations
I noted this send-in offer for novels on the back of a Little Debbie product at the grocer’s:

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“Young readers can experience the wonder of timeless stories from an early age. Each hardbound classic is filled with all the magic and excitement that made the original story a beloved masterpiece. The titles are: Heidi, Tom Sawyer, Black Beauty, The Secret Garden, and Treasure Island.” [Black Beauty is notable in that it is the autobiography of a horse].
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But the SDA church teaches that:
“Novel and storybook reading are the greatest evils in which youth can indulge. Novel and love-story readers always fail to make good, practical mothers. They are air-castle builders, living in an unreal, an imaginary world. They become sentimental and have sick fancies. Their artificial life spoils them for anything useful. They are dwarfed in intellect, although they may flatter themselves that they are superior in mind and manners“. 3T 151

They are air-castle builders, living in an unreal, an imaginary world. They become sentimental and have sick fancies

Many of the people I know are avid readers,they certainly read true life books,but have many others they read.
Not a single one has sick fancies.

This,not porn or whether the bible is inspired. I do not believe that EW meant or made this as matter of being inspired. In your world people may develop sick fancies from reading fiction like Black Beauty or Tom Sawyer but not in the real world most people live in.

 
 

[bonnie]

How does all this recent discussion relate to this topic?

It was one of the sins of the owner of Little Debbie's.


Worldy Associations
I noted this send-in offer for novels on the back of a Little Debbie product at the grocer’s:

[bonnie]

How does all this recent discussion relate to this topic?

From this...

Worldy Associations
I noted this send-in offer for novels on the back of a Little Debbie product at the grocer’s:

“Young readers can experience the wonder of timeless stories from an early age. Each hardbound classic is filled with all the magic and excitement that made the original story a beloved masterpiece. The titles are: Heidi, Tom Sawyer, Black Beauty, The Secret Garden, and Treasure Island.” Black Beauty is notable in that it is the autobiography of a horse

But the SDA church teaches that:
“Novel and storybook reading are the greatest evils in which youth can indulge. Novel and love-story readers always fail to make good, practical mothers. They are air-castle builders, living in an unreal, an imaginary world. They become sentimental and have sick fancies. Their artificial life spoils them for anything useful. They are dwarfed in intellect, although they may flatter themselves that they are superior in mind and manners“. 3T 151

They are air-castle builders, living in an unreal, an imaginary world. They become sentimental and have sick fancies

This is not about porn except maybe in the mind of Bob

[Eduard]

How does all this recent discussion relate to this topic?

Daryl,

Quite a lot of people have noticed that <bonnie> is spending her nights and days on this forum. Advent Talk is her permanent address. We became members of this forum a few days apart, around the beginning of February 2008.
Since then, that is, during the past TEN MONTHS, I posted 61 messages, while she posted 1143 (ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE ) messages. Only a few of them, probably less than 3%, are related to the intended topics of the threads. All the other messages she posted are unrelated to the topics, uninformed, and irrelevant.


Eduard