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[Bob Pickle]

Sam, were all the Sheltons there?

Was Linda there?

If not: If Tommy can be there, why couldn't Linda be there?

I haven't heard anyone accuse Linda of molesting children.

Since Brenda and Danny have been proven to be liars, and since after more than a year and a half of litigation neither Danny nor 3ABN produced a shred of evidence against Linda, there simply must not be any evidence against her.

So I don't get it. Why was Tommy on that program if Linda wasn't?

[Sam]

1. Linda isn't a Shelton
2. I haven't heard of Linda molesting children either...just men..
3. The only place where Danny and Brenda have "proven" to be liars is in your own mind.
4. Your sorry " I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" is making you look like a fool.
5. What you have against TS is "allegations" and they weren't made during any of his employment time with 3abn.
6. The allegations toward Linda were made, observed and proven during her VP employment at 3abn.

Get a life Bob. Don't you have better things to do over Christmas with your family than rehash your same old stories?

[Bob Pickle]

Sam, were you going to comment about the theological questions I posed above?

1. Linda isn't a Shelton

Sure she is. If you insist that she isn't, then why did Danny have so many non-Sheltons on there and didn't invite Linda non-Shelton too? If Linda isn't a Shelton, then neither is Brandy Shelton and Carol Shelton and a number of others.

2. I haven't heard of Linda molesting children either...just men..

Have any proof of that? Danny can't find any since he refused to produce it in court.

3. The only place where Danny and Brenda have "proven" to be liars is in your own mind.

Not so. Brenda said Linda bought the tickets, when Brenda was the one who reserved them, and 3ABN paid for them, not Linda.

Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, but Delta Airlines says it wasn't.

Danny said that it was vacations taken while they were married that led to the divorce, but Danny said that Linda had told him something on a particular day, so she couldn't have been in Florida then.

And then there's his lie about Linda's car being titled in his name too. And then there's the lie about months of counseling

4. Your sorry " I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" is making you look like a fool.

No, that's not it. The point is that Danny said he would bring it all out in court, and then he refused to do so when he was supposed to. We gave him requests to produce, and he refused to comply. If he had any evidence at all, that was when he was supposed to produce.

Actually, he should have produced it in his Rule 26(a)(1) materials. But he didn't. I can but conclude that he didn't because he couldn't, because he's a bald faced liar.

5. What you have against TS is "allegations" and they weren't made during any of his employment time with 3abn.

What difference would that make? Besides, you're wrong. The new allegations that popped up in Virginia in 2006 popped up when he was still in the employment of 3ABN.

And you are wrong on another count. The sexual misconduct allegation that arose against Tommy in the early 1990's was about an incident that occurred while he was working at 3ABN.

6. The allegations toward Linda were made, observed and proven during her VP employment at 3abn.

Who made them, who observed them, and who proved them?

John Lomacang said he had personally seen hundreds of hours of phone card phone records. That was a lie, was it not? No such thing exists, right?

Since Brenda has been proven to be a liar, her claimed observations don't count. Neither would Danny's.

So tell me who made, who observed, and who proved, and tell me how I can get in touch with them.

Get a life Bob. Don't you have better things to do over Christmas with your family than rehash your same old stories?

Why not tell Danny and his cronies to get a life, and quit hiring lawyers at the tune of $750,000 a year using donor funds to harass and persecute loyal Seventh-day Adventists who believe in church standards, who believe in freedom of speech and press and religion?

Why not tell Danny and his cronies to get a life, and to order Simpson to knock off the harassment and bald faced lies? It would be a super Christmas gift.

Or you just don't like the same old stories? The gospel story predates Tommy and Danny's misconduct by many, many years. Are you tired of the gospel story, Sam?

[Bob Pickle]

"Cast out our sin and enter in."

Sam, have you forgot what Christmas is supposedly all about?

[ex3abnemployee]

Sam, I just took a look at that program. Tommy was on it. Isn't that a bit strange? I haven't heard a word about him apologizing to anyone the last two years for all the grief and heartache he's caused so many people.

Why would 3ABN have him be a part of a program like that?

On the contrary, one of the first things Tommy when he was found out did was to write a letter to the Dunn Loring Church whining and complaining about how HE was treated. It was followed shortly thereafter by one from Carol Shelton, Tommy's wife, accomplice and enabler.

Typical Shelton mentality: Our feelings are what is important. Everyone else, inlcluding those who were wronged, can just drop dead.

[Snoopy]

Maybe Gilley didn't know.

If the stockholders in the pews discover that this directorate spent over $2Million Dollars to defend a miscreant founder that had his hands in the till, my guess is they will repudiate the entire ministry and it's directorate. And that is the story that needs to be and will be told in 2009!!!

Gilley should move along before he is thoroughly tainted with the stench of what has gone on here!!! Under his watch they spent millions to defend Danny Lee hselton and they have the gall to request more???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Snoopy]

Sammy's back!!  Hi Breezy Sam!  Merry Christmas!!   

Sammy, you sound so angry!  I feel badly for you.  Lighten up.

1. Linda isn't a Shelton
2. I haven't heard of Linda molesting children either...just men..
3. The only place where Danny and Brenda have "proven" to be liars is in your own mind.
4. Your sorry " I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" is making you look like a fool.
5. What you have against TS is "allegations" and they weren't made during any of his employment time with 3abn.
6. The allegations toward Linda were made, observed and proven during her VP employment at 3abn.

Get a life Bob. Don't you have better things to do over Christmas with your family than rehash your same old stories?

[Sam]

Bob it is exactly these kind of statements and posts that make you lose all credibility. For instance: If Carol Shelton and Brandy Shelton can be on the family special...why not Linda Shelton?  Bob, Carol and Brandy are NOT DIVORCED from their spouses.  Honestly I'm humiliated for you that I would even have to point that out.  How many divorced couples do you know Bob that get together for the holidays with their ex spouses and ex in-laws?  This stuff is why no one can take you seriously.

Your constant use of "we can assume then" or "this happened...right"?  is pathetic. Once again Bob because you thought it or said it doesn't make it so.

The following will not get through to you but it will make me feel better to point out some things.

In answer to Bob's allegations:
 
Danny told you all along that this case was not about exposing Linda. What would a copy of a sworn affidavit by an Illinois licensed PI be worth to you Bob?
Would you believe it if the signed affidavit said that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands while walking down the street while still married to Danny (by themselves without Johann..they apparently had tucked him in bed in his own room..)  then after 10 PM went for a walk together and held hands for a bit?
Would you believe it if the sworn affidavit by the PI said that they were together in an apartment together after midnight. (Actually it was til 3:00 am).
Bob, maybe you should check Illinois law. I was told by a professional that if a married woman is in an apartment/hotel etc. together after midnight that now the burden of proof goes to the woman to prove she did not commit adultery.
 
Bob, the reason you are in the mess you are in is because rumor mongers like yourself and Gailon jump on every bit of hearsay gossip that 's out there as though it's truth. Normal reasoning goes out the window.
 
You make the statement that if Danny didn't show any info about Linda in court then he must not have any. You base that info on the fact that he didn't produce the requested info so therefore you make the dumb assumption that Linda is innocent. Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.

Do you really think DS gained the support of Board members and church leaders without giving & showing support for why he was divorced.  He has not had a problem all along giving necessary info to those that need to know. But you guys are not the kind of people that any thinking person would give any such info to. He told you that all along didn't he?
 
The reason for the lawsuit as I understand it was simple.  DS knew he had the rightful support of his board and leaders in the church when it came to the divorce.  But when you all started accusing DS and 3ABN of stealing and wrong financial doings, 3ABN felt that you should have to prove it in court. They knew all along that you couldn't prove any of your accusations of financial wrong doings. DS and the board has always had outside auditors and have also had attorneys to look over any and all financial dealings as they wanted to maintain their well earned credibility when it comes to taking donors money and investing it in the spreading of the gospel.

No matter how hard headed, prideful and arrogant you are, you were wrong to accuse DS and 3ABN of financial wrong doing.  All things work together for good according to the bible and that is what happened in my opinion when you all got the IRS involved. Why?  Because only the IRS could clear 3ABN of all your charges of wrong doing...AND THAT THEY DID!  The year long investigation was dropped without DS or 3ABN paying one penny to the IRS! 

Bob, there's no longer a reason to keep going to court over all the other ridicules things you come up with because you appear ate up with the gossip bug.  The donors have heard the truth and have spoken.  They see the fruits of 3ABN and they see your fruits of judging and being an accuser of the brethren.

A spiritual person can discern that you have become an agent of the devil by accusing the brethren. Every one makes mistakes including DS but you still, according to the bible, are not the judge, God is. He is the only one that has a right to make everyone's sins public. Sinful people including you and Gailon have no mandate to do such a thing. That's why you have no support from real Christians. Take a look at your followers. Most have records similar to you and Gailon. From convicted embezzlers, self admitted child porn addict, alleged stalker, Crooked Dr. etc,.  The bible says judge not that you be not judged. Bob, you and Gailon judged and now the judgement has fallen back on you just as the bible says.  We can see all the sins of Gailon Joy and the rest of you but at some point we have to leave you in the hands of God!  You are guilty of what you accuse others of.
 
Example. You are so quick to call people liars and say that they need to repent and apologize publically... Danny said this or Brenda said that and Walt said this and Pastor John said this so they should admit they lied and move on.  Yet by your own rules of judgment you lie yet have never apologized for it.
You lied to Wickepedia right?  You claimed you were a Dr. because you thought it would give you more credibility about info you were giving to them. Bob a lie is a lie is a lie.
 
Could we please hear you (going by your own rules)  confess that you lied to Wickapedia and to the rest of us. You see what I mean Bob?  Now should I make an all out war on you because you lied and won't admit it or do I leave your life in God's hands and let you and he work it out even though I'm still convinced that you lied.  There are churches that would drop an SDA's membership over lying to an organization like Wickepedia claiming to be a Dr. when you are far from a Dr. And Bob, didn't you tell the court you are a Pastor?  If so, isn't that a lie?  We know you are not a licensed SDA Pastor so what is the name of the church you are pastoring?  Isn't that misleading...again? Would that also be considered a lie?

Well, what do you think?  What can you say?  You accuse 3ABN of things that you yourself have done.  Your spreading of lies on the net is certainly not a secret sin. These are  lies that remove any credibility you may have had. Do I now gather support to send copies of your lie to Wickepedia to every church leader and call for your disfellowship, do I call the secular media and try to expose you?  The old saying that the pot calling the kettle black certaninly seems to apply to you.  Bob, you have lied over and over, what should we do? You cannot back up the lies about 3abn with proof. Your Wickapedia lie is on there for all the world to see.  Didn't Gailon lie to the bankruptcy court? Again, that is in the pacer documents.

Let me throw something out to you and see if you can follow me.  What if Danny never owned any proof that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands walking down the street together? Does that mean that whomever paid for the PI report didn't have the proof?  Absolutely not!  There as been strong hints all along that Danny never paid for a PI but that someone else did. Do you think that Danny has seen the proof including some video of the two together without Johann present?

I would say that there is more than a good chance that he has..wouldn't you!  Don't you realize just because you didn't see something in court that it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The owner of the info was never told by the court to show it! You really shouldn't try to be lawyers. You should try to do as the bible says though and be bread winners for your families. I know of no one who has a high opinion of Gailon because not only is he a convicted felon but still denies that he did anything wrong. OOPS!  By the way shouldn't he be apologizing to the public for what he did and stop lying about it?
Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
 
From what I am privy to it seems that DS has told you all along the he will not give into the demands of arrogant self proclaimed judges, with evil intent. No way in the world would any President of any company allow a Gailon Joy for instance to come and do a financial investigation by an unqualified convicted felon (embezzler)  just because the convicted felon is demanding that he be allowed access to 3ABN's finances.
 
Had DS let evil people like Gailon and Bob come to 3ABN and turn over their finances to them ,I for one, would never give another dime to 3ABN. That would be very stupid, foolish and naive of DS and 3ABN.  Thank the Lord they stuck to their guns and didn't let you guys try to take over! Lord knows you two have enough of your own problems...trying dealing with them before trying to invent a beam in someone else's eye.

[Bob Pickle]

Bob it is exactly these kind of statements and posts that make you lose all credibility. For instance: If Carol Shelton and Brandy Shelton can be on the family special...why not Linda Shelton?  Bob, Carol and Brandy are NOT DIVORCED from their spouses.

Have you forgotten that you are the one, not me, that suggested that the reason why Linda wasn't there was because she wasn't a Shelton? I was only responding to your comment.

How many divorced couples do you know Bob that get together for the holidays with their ex spouses and ex in-laws?

While I was growing up I saw it.

This Christmas season I got a picture from a Christmas party with just two people in the picture, both smiling. They used to be married awhile back.

Your constant use of "we can assume then" or "this happened...right"?  is pathetic. Once again Bob because you thought it or said it doesn't make it so.

Could you quote where I said that? Then I can comment.

By the way, do you apply the same standard to Danny Shelton? Just because he said it or thought it doesn't make it so?

[Bob Pickle]

In answer to Bob's allegations:
 
Danny told you all along that this case was not about exposing Linda.

Evidence that Danny lied again. Check out ¶¶ 38, 39, 40, 46i, 48d, 50, 50a, 50d, 50e, 50g, and 50i at http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-and-danny-v-joy-and-pickle-complaint.htm and you will find Linda's name. A major part of the lawsuit that Danny filed was to show that he had biblical grounds for divorce bvecause Linda had committed adultery.

So for you to say what you said is evidence that Danny is simply a bald face liar, and a very bad one at that.

What would a copy of a sworn affidavit by an Illinois licensed PI be worth to you Bob?

If that PI is not a bald face liar like Danny Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thompson, and Gregory Simpson, then it might mean something. Otherwise, it wouldn't mean a thing.

You have to understand something about this Shelton gang. If they would lie when not under oath, their morals are so debased that they just might lie when under oath, if they thought they could get away with it.

Would you believe it if the signed affidavit said that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands while walking down the street while still married to Danny (by themselves without Johann..they apparently had tucked him in bed in his own room..)  then after 10 PM went for a walk together and held hands for a bit?

Send it my way! I'll take a look and see if the affidavit stands up to scrutiny better than Danny's claim that his name was on the title of Linda's car.

But your logic is twisted. Danny decided that their marriage was over on April 27, 2004, since Linda had hidden his gun. He wrote Alyssa to that effect, and also sent a proposal to Linda on April 29, just two days later, to buy her half of the house.

So even if what some anonymous PI supposedly said happened the end of May 2004, what does that have to do with Danny deciding to divorce Linda over the non-biblical grounds that she hid his gun? Where is the adultery?

[Bob Pickle]

Would you believe it if the sworn affidavit by the PI said that they were together in an apartment together after midnight. (Actually it was til 3:00 am).

Send it my way, Sam. Danny was too cowardly to produce it in the lawsuit, so I would be greatly appreciative if you could send it my way.

Bob, maybe you should check Illinois law. I was told by a professional that if a married woman is in an apartment/hotel etc. together after midnight that now the burden of proof goes to the woman to prove she did not commit adultery.

Reasonable, for sure. But where's the proof that ever occurred? Where's the proof? If it existed, why was little Danny so terrified to produce it in the lawsuit, when he himself put these issues into the lawsuit? His terror speaks volumes.

I repeat, I served Danny with requests to produce more than a year ago, and Danny refused to produce any of this. He claimed that it was all irrelevant. He claimed it was subject to the non-existent marital privilege.

Sam, I have a suspicion that what you write above is just a parroting of more lies of Danny Lee Shelton. If that affidavit really existed, he would have produced it. He didn't. Why not? To protect Linda? The one he trashed and, through Shelley, likened to the evil Herodias? Hardly.

By the way, has Danny ever been in the company of any woman not his wife after midnight? Brenda? Brandy? Melody? Crystal? Any woman, Sam?

[Bob Pickle]

Bob, the reason you are in the mess you are in is because rumor mongers like yourself and Gailon jump on every bit of hearsay gossip that 's out there as though it's truth. Normal reasoning goes out the window.

Could you please cite the hearsay gossip I jumped on as being truth? Name it, please.

Danny is the one who said his name was on the title. I checked the title out. It wasn't there. Where's the hearsay gossip? And I could go on and on.

But how about Danny? Do you just buy into his hearsay gossip, or do you require him to show you proof for what he says?
 

You make the statement that if Danny didn't show any info about Linda in court then he must not have any. You base that info on the fact that he didn't produce the requested info so therefore you make the dumb assumption that Linda is innocent.

Seems Christian courtesy dictates that we assume Linda is innocent until proven guilty. Especially since Danny almost a month after the divorce wrote Linda and told her that she was going to get in bed with the doctor IF she hadn't already.

My assumption that Linda was innocent is based on the words of the not-so-great one himself, Danny Lee Shelton. I have a hard time believing he would lie about a thing like that.

Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.

Ahh! So maybe Danny wanted the lawsuit dropped before the court could order Danny to produce what he had to produce!

[Bob Pickle]

Do you really think DS gained the support of Board members and church leaders without giving & showing support for why he was divorced.

 

Absolutely.

What church leaders?

He has not had a problem all along giving necessary info to those that need to know.

This is getting old. "Believe us." "Trust us." Why would anyone be so utterly stupid as to believe a bald face liar like Danny Lee Shelton?

But you guys are not the kind of people that any thinking person would give any such info to. He told you that all along didn't he?

How insulting you are to declare all the people who have given us information to be not thinking people! Including the Oregon Department of Justice and the Illinois Attorney General. You really are outrageous.

So Danny put those things in the lawsuit even though he never planned on producing any evidence? Why then did he sue us?

The reason for the lawsuit as I understand it was simple.  DS knew he had the rightful support of his board and leaders in the church when it came to the divorce.  But when you all started accusing DS and 3ABN of stealing and wrong financial doings, 3ABN felt that you should have to prove it in court. They knew all along that you couldn't prove any of your accusations of financial wrong doings.

Not so. Danny knew what he had done. he knew about the house deal in 1998. He knew about the Remnant deals. Danny knew.

And don't tell me Walt didn't know. His name is on the 1998 deed.

And don't tell me Mollie Steenson was so ignorant about everything that she didn't have a clue what Danny was doing with his book deals. Making $749,000 to $808,000 in kickbacks and/or royalties from just 2005 to 2007 alone. You don't think Mollie had a clue? Then why is Mollie on the board if she is that dense and out of touch?

[Bob Pickle]

e: Overview of December 3ABN schedule
by Sunny on Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:43 pm UTC

Did anyone see the Shelton Family Holiday Special? It aired last night and will air again Sunday at 3pm Central time and Tuesday at 8 am. ...

Quite interesting that the very first song they all sang was, "Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me."

It would be really nice if Danny, Ronnie, and Tommy could practice what they sang. It really is a hideous thing to threaten to sue, and to sue, people who are concerned about child molestation allegations.

Is it peace to sue folks who were concerned about Danny covering up the child molestation allegations against Tommy? Is that peace on earth?

[Bob Pickle]

Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.

Ahh! So maybe Danny wanted the lawsuit dropped before the court could order Danny to produce what he had to produce!

Maybe a better question is why Danny would play such a stupid game as sue someone and then refuse to produce documents dealing with what he sued over.