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[Fran]

Second.  Do you know who asked Ian to get involved in matters involving 3ABN and DS?

I am so sorry I missed this!  My answer is no. 

Can you tell me so I will positively know? 

Would it change the facts that have been presented thus far? 

Would it change the documented evidence of financial problems at 3ABN? 

Would it change all of the facts presented in all of the court documents thus far in this trial of 3ABN & Danny Lee Shelton against Robert Pickle and Gailon Joy?

[CRYSTAL]

Someone might ask Danny if he has a love child?

[Cindy]

Second.  Do you know who asked Ian to get involved in matters involving 3ABN and DS?

I am so sorry I missed this!  My answer is no. 

Can you tell me so I will positively know? 

I wouldn't have put it quite as quaddie did, but it's not a big mystery Fran. I am sure Bob will confirm this. He and I are really the only ones who can say this from a first person perspective.

Bob and I were acquainted and members of the same Yahoo group and often in agreement on various topics etc. This was all before he got involved in the 3abn discussions and his investigation. That of course is why he has always known me as "Cindy".

He was quoting and talking about what he was reading about 3abn in the group he and I were both on, and he and I got involved in discussions about the different issues and concerns, as that was the first time I had heard of this mess and I was appalled by it and how it had been handled.   He thought my questions and such were good and suggested I could help.

Anyway to make a long story short he told me about Maritime and Blacksda and how to sign up, and I did and it was all good at first, he even defended me and my questions at first, but after various emails, pms and posts between he and I and between us and others, we soon after came to a parting of both ways and views... the rest is known history.

end of story.

..ian

[Johann]

Ian,

I also thought the best of your intentions when you first appeared on BSDA. I wish it could have continued that way.

Johann

[Cindy]

Ian,

I also thought the best of your intentions when you first appeared on BSDA. I wish it could have continued that way.

Johann

Well Johann, my intentions have never changed. I always wanted to get to the bottom of everything, and help resolve things if I could. I still do. And I too wish things could have continued as they were.

I guess some pick a side and stick to it blindly loyal, but I can't, principles have to come before personality for me, but sometimes that can hurt. It can hurt a lot.

One day all of this will be gone, and passed away. No more tears, pain, sickness, sin or death.

That will be one glorious day.

Laters...

[Johann]

Ian,

I also thought the best of your intentions when you first appeared on BSDA. I wish it could have continued that way.

Johann

Well Johann, my intentions have never changed. I always wanted to get to the bottom of everything, and help resolve things if I could. I still do. And I too wish things could have continued as they were.

I guess some pick a side and stick to it blindly loyal, but I can't, principles have to come before personality for me, but sometimes that can hurt. It can hurt a lot.

One day all of this will be gone, and passed away. No more tears, pain, sickness, sin or death.

That will be one glorious day.

Laters...

What has hurt me the deepest is how you seem to twist what I have said, then reworded according to your twisting, claiming that was what I was saying, and since your twist was not true you have claimed several times that what I was saying was not the truth.

It has really disturbed me dealing with that kind of a method, as if that was the way to discover the truth. I have been praying you'd see the light and change your methods to make it possible to deal with you. When you say "later" - does that contain a glimmer of hope?

[Cindy]

Ian,

I also thought the best of your intentions when you first appeared on BSDA. I wish it could have continued that way.

Johann

Well Johann, my intentions have never changed. I always wanted to get to the bottom of everything, and help resolve things if I could. I still do. And I too wish things could have continued as they were.

I guess some pick a side and stick to it blindly loyal, but I can't, principles have to come before personality for me, but sometimes that can hurt. It can hurt a lot.

One day all of this will be gone, and passed away. No more tears, pain, sickness, sin or death.

That will be one glorious day.

Laters...

What has hurt me the deepest is how you seem to twist what I have said, then reworded according to your twisting, claiming that was what I was saying, and since your twist was not true you have claimed several times that what I was saying was not the truth.

It has really disturbed me dealing with that kind of a method, as if that was the way to discover the truth. I have been praying you'd see the light and change your methods to make it possible to deal with you. When you say "later" - does that contain a glimmer of hope?

I never wanted to hurt you Johann, I still do not. And yes, for now there is hope and that remains, and I hope to keep that in my heart, and that you do also... (One of the lesser known and preached texts being Rom 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? ")

We are obviously going to see things differently and disagree Johann as we both have different opinions and views, but surely we can both agree it is better to deal with facts and documentation rather than feelings, memories, personal opinions, emotions, and accusations based on those things which we shouldn't trust? I hope so, for otherwise nothing can be resolved between us.

I would dearly love for us to stand together where it counts.

~ Cindy

[Bob Pickle]

We are obviously going to see things differently and disagree Johann as we both have different opinions and views, but surely we can both agree it is better to deal with facts and documentation rather than feelings, memories, personal opinions, emotions, and accusations based on that?

He should not have to discount and ignore his own memories.

As far as facts and documentation go, what do you think of Brenda Walsh saying that Linda bought the tickets (for the alleged Florida trip) against Brenda's wishes, when Brenda herself reserved the tickets and 3ABN paid for them? And what do you think about Brenda saying that Linda's ticket was used when Delta Airlines says that it was never used?

And why would Brenda concoct such a wild-eyed tale? Why would she risk her reputation by lying like that?

[Bob Pickle]

Emma, since we took this diversion, what is the likelihood that one can get DNA from 2000-year-old blood, given what you just described?

[quaddie47]

We are obviously going to see things differently and disagree Johann as we both have different opinions and views, but surely we can both agree it is better to deal with facts and documentation rather than feelings, memories, personal opinions, emotions, and accusations based on that?

He should not have to discount and ignore his own memories.

This is so classic of you.  However, rather than argue with you about what you believed Ian meant in her post, I want to remind you that memories are not facts.  Even your own memories are nothing more than that. They are just MEMORIES.   Memories are subject to so many things that our amazing minds are capable of.  If you need a refresher I suggest you look at a segment from today on the Today Show.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/

If that link no longer works I suggest you google the name Ronald Cotton or the book Picking Cotton. 

[Bob Pickle]

We are obviously going to see things differently and disagree Johann as we both have different opinions and views, but surely we can both agree it is better to deal with facts and documentation rather than feelings, memories, personal opinions, emotions, and accusations based on that?

He should not have to discount and ignore his own memories.

This is so classic of you.  However, rather than argue with you about what you believed Ian meant in her post, I want to remind you that memories are not facts.  Even your own memories are nothing more than that. They are just MEMORIES.   Memories are subject to so many things that our amazing minds are capable of.  If you need a refresher I suggest you look at a segment from today on the Today Show.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/

If that link no longer works I suggest you google the name Ronald Cotton or the book Picking Cotton. 

In court, testimony is all about memory.

If Danny, Walt, and Simpson thought they could just rely on testimony without documentation, then Johann should feel free to share his memories about what took place.

[anyman]

In court, testimony is all about memory.

Really Robert?

How then would the testimony of say, a forensic accounting expert, be classified when they are being questioned about the legalities of financial transactions?

Would their testimony be memory based or fact based?

Would they testify by evidencing statutes, case law, persuasive authority, or accepted financial practices or would they rely on memories?

[Bob Pickle]

In court, testimony is all about memory.

Really Robert?

How then would the testimony of say, a forensic accounting expert, be classified when they are being questioned about the legalities of financial transactions?

Would their testimony be memory based or fact based?

Would they testify by evidencing statutes, case law, persuasive authority, or accepted financial practices or would they rely on memories?

Fact witnesses are those who testify based on their memory regarding various facts.

Expert witnesses are those who take the facts and give opinions.

You are referring above to expert witnesses, not fact witnesses.

My apologies for not being more precise in that I was only speaking about fact witnesses when I said what I said.

[Emma]

Emma, since we took this diversion, what is the likelihood that one can get DNA from 2000-year-old blood, given what you just described?

I have no first hand knowledge of this, logically it would depend on whether the blood has been exposed to extreme heat or something else that would denature it. 

I do not deal with 2000 year old blood,  I do have some dealings with much younger versions 

[Bob Pickle]

Kind of like he was exonerated by ASI, the IRS, the EEOC, and the California Department of Fair Housing and Employment?