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[Snoopy]

And now I see that one of your little friends has taken to attacking Duane at Ian's site.  Are you going to rush over there to rebut that Jeanette?? 

[GrandmaNettie]

Specify the "lies" you are referring to and I will be glad to tell you whether or not I have confronted them.  If you are referring to the post where the member drew inaccurate conclusions from the court records in your case, I said the records best spoke for themselves.  How many really think "Bond" amount refers to the fine you were charged?  Those from here who are registered members on 3abntalk could certainly set the record straight there and here as well.  I have chosen not to post often here and I only read occasionally over there.

As all of us know, forum discussions are generally comprised of the POVs and opinions of the various members. Those opinions and perspectives, are not always accurate and not always truthful.  It is up to each individual member to determine what they choose to believe.

You and others have formed a negative opinion about me, even though I believe it is factually challenged one.  Your perception is your reality.  Nothing I can say or do will alter your opinion.

One might?  I said there was recent, documented proof that something you said was not entirely true.  I never said I was going to share it publically, unlike you and Cindi!!  Maybe I should refresh your memory with a thread you managed to get removed recently.

And you still haven't answered my question.  If you don't "pull punches" and you "confront...lies", have you discussed the untruths posted at Ian's site with her?  What was her response?  Does she care?

One might wonder about the credibility of your statement when you post publically that there is recent documented proof against me while you knew full well you were not going to share it because it was private.

I don't pull punches with any of my friends.  I confront what I see as lies and expect the same from them.

Naw - thanks anyway.  It is a private communication.  But you didn't answer my question.  If you are as "in search of the truth" as you claim to be, have you confronted your "good friend Ian" about the lies?

Please post what you consider "recent documented proof" and allow the readers to determine if it is valid and if it applies rather than simply alleging it exists.

Hhmm.  And I believe there is recent, documented proof otherwise.  Sorry Jeanette - I don't believe you.  Have you jumped on your good friend Ian to set the record straight?  You and Cindi are simply behind-the-scenes manipulators.  I pity you.

Doesn't change my opinion at all.  But since Ian refuses to say what BSDA chats of mine she has seen, maybe you could shed some light on that yet unanswered question, Jeanette...or maybe you could ask Cindi...

And by the way, since you are so busy defending people...  Why haven't you spoken up against the blatant untruths Ian allows to be posted on her site?  Untruths that YOU KNOW are blatant lies, because I CONFIDED IN YOU!!  I think you're a bit selective in who you choose to defend.  But I guess when one is so firmly perched atop a fence trying to play both sides they can't be expected to catch everything...

I have no clue what BSDA chats Ian was referring to.  I only know that she was telling the truth that I didn't provide her with any.  It may even be a question of semantics, for that matter.  I can only speak for myself regarding the subject.  I will state once more for the record that I have not betrayed your confidences.

Whle I don't know what untruths you are referring to on 3abntalk.  I do know that at least one member there has come to erroneous conclusions when reading your court record they posted there.  I think letting the court record speak for itself is the best defense. When I read that particular member's conlusions I was rather embarassed for the member.  I doubt that many who use common sense can reach the same conclusions that the one member reached by reading the two pages of your court record as posted.

There are many untruths being posted on this site that I have not spoken up against.  People will believe what they choose to believe. There is little I can do to alter that.

You are correct.  I am a bit selective about who I choose to defend.  I defended Alyssa because she does not have a voice here and I happen to know her wishes.  I defended Duane because I understand the system he is emerging from and want to encourage  him in his resolve.  I don't speak out much any more because my perspective is an irritation here, so I prefer to stay mostly mute.  There is no fence under my bum.  I have always been open about having friends on both sides of the controversy.  There are very few people involved in this that I don't value, respect and consider friends.

[GrandmaNettie]

And now I see that one of your little friends has taken to attacking Duane at Ian's site.  Are you going to rush over there to rebut that Jeanette?? 

I have posted my clear support of Duane here.  I trust he will consider that enough. 

I don't rush over here and rebut every attack that members here launch against others, my "little friends" included.

I have refrained from discussion with you because it is pointless.  I will return to refraining from discussion with you for the same reason.

[Snoopy]

GREAT!!  I am all for that!!

I have refrained from discussion with you because it is pointless.  I will return to refraining from discussion with you for the same reason.

[Johann]

I have to admit that I was dismayed to see my friend Ian taking you to task this morning as was done quite a few times by several members over on BSDA.  As a victim of abuse myself, I have also experienced those who attempt to put the blame, even if just partially, on the abused.

I am so glad you see it this way. Then you at least understand how Linda and her daughter feel about 3ABN's attempts to put the blame on the abused.

[Johann]

Play your games and plant your labels without me, Johann. 

I really feel sorry for you, Ian. I understand so well why you do not want to replace any of those cards you are using in your games. Don't you fear the use other cards may force you to be more truthful? But why not try?

[Cindy]

Specify the "lies" you are referring to and I will be glad to tell you whether or not I have confronted them.  If you are referring to the post where the member drew inaccurate conclusions from the court records in your case, I said the records best spoke for themselves.  How many really think "Bond" amount refers to the fine you were charged?  Those from here who are registered members on 3abntalk could certainly set the record straight there and here as well.  I have chosen not to post often here and I only read occasionally over there.
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Not that it will matter to most here, but for those who are interested the posts referred to were edited by the poster as soon as they realized their mistake...

Nor was I referring to Linda's letter to G'ma Nettie. She is not and never has been a source of information for me.

Nor was I attacking Duane, nor is there a thread attacking him on 3abntalk.

Nor is the 3abntalk forum "my forum"

Nor for about the umpteenth dozen time, did I ever get any private chats with snoopy from anyone. "chat" was apparently a bad choice of words. I was referring to her talking to others in public discussion.

anyway,  sorry for the interuption, you can all carry on with your schoolyard antics now...

[Bob Pickle]

Has she specifically given her approval or are you proceeding with this against her specific wishes?

I have made it abundantly clear multiple times that I think it is highly unethical for anyone to demand that I not do this or that in defending myself in this lawsuit. I have specifically told you that you have no business dictating such things to me.

Sometimes people who try to prevent evidence from being presented in court or witnesses from testifying in court get in trouble for obstruction of justice.

The lawsuit claimed that we lied when we allegedly said that Danny had inappropriate relationships with other women. Alyssa's letter is relevant to that claim, and it is now a part of court record. It is now part of the public record.

There are a lot of things that I wish were not a part of the public record, but Danny chose this route rather than do the right thing.

Once things are a part of the public record, I don't know on what basis a private citizen like yourself can forbid discussion of that record.

[Bob Pickle]

Nor is the 3abntalk forum "my forum"

Whose forum is it?

[Snoopy]

Not that it will matter to most here, but for those who are interested the posts referred to were edited by the poster as soon as they realized their mistake...

WRONG!!  YOU edited Steffan's post on December 10!!  Why are you so challenged with the truth, Ian??  CAN you tell the truth??

Last edited by admin on Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:19 pm UTC, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: documentary proof    

Nor was I referring to Linda's letter to G'ma Nettie. She is not and never has been a source of information for me.

Nor was I attacking Duane, nor is there a thread attacking him on 3abntalk.

Ah, but there WAS a thread!!  And nobody said YOU were attacking him, Ian.  It was your loose-lipped buddy steffan who you might want to put a muzzle on for legal purposes...  It was very wise of you to delete that thead!!

Nor is the 3abntalk forum "my forum"

Then whose is it Ian?  Maybe a subpoena would help clear things up...

Nor for about the umpteenth dozen time, did I ever get any private chats with snoopy from anyone. "chat" was apparently a bad choice of words. I was referring to her talking to others in public discussion.

Don't hurt yourself with all that backpedaling...

anyway,  sorry for the interuption, you can all carry on with your schoolyard antics now...

And are you back in your own sandbox now??  It looks to me like you need to make a few more edits...

[Habanero]

"Stagger, stagger left, stagger right, roll, roll..."

"Could that be their leether?"

Nor is the 3abntalk forum "my forum"

Whose forum is it?

[Cindy]

Not that it will matter to most here, but for those who are interested the posts referred to were edited by the poster as soon as they realized their mistake...

WRONG!!  YOU edited Steffan's post on December 10!!  Why are you so challenged with the truth, Ian??  CAN you tell the truth??

Last edited by admin on Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:19 pm UTC, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: documentary proof    

We don't use that big red font, and please calm down. Steffan is "admin", Snoopy. If I edit a post it says "Synthian"

Nor was I referring to Linda's letter to G'ma Nettie. She is not and never has been a source of information for me.

Nor was I attacking Duane, nor is there a thread attacking him on 3abntalk.

Ah, but there WAS a thread!!  And nobody said YOU were attacking him, Ian.  It was your loose-lipped buddy steffan who you might want to put a muzzle on for legal purposes...  It was very wise of you to delete that thead!!

Your insults and threats aren't really necessary, but thank you, and yes although not perfect we do try to be accountable in how we moderate and post.

Nor is the 3abntalk forum "my forum"

Then whose is it Ian?  Maybe a subpoena would help clear things up...

As I said, the threats aren't necessary. It isn't a secret who owns the forum, and if you had been reading there you'd already know who it is..

Nor for about the umpteenth dozen time, did I ever get any private chats with snoopy from anyone. "chat" was apparently a bad choice of words. I was referring to her talking to others in public discussion.

Don't hurt yourself with all that backpedaling...

anyway,  sorry for the interuption, you can all carry on with your schoolyard antics now...

And are you back in your own sandbox now??  It looks to me like you need to make a few more edits...

going back..

..ian

"You can only be young once. But you can always be immature."
-- Dave Barry

[Snoopy]

Then why isn't steffan listed as "admin", Ian??  You and Greg are listed, but not steffan.  And I am quite calm, although very amused at your lies!!

And as for being accountable??!!      I'm thinkin you need to try a LOT harder...!!  Maybe you need some help with that??

Not that it will matter to most here, but for those who are interested the posts referred to were edited by the poster as soon as they realized their mistake...

WRONG!!  YOU edited Steffan's post on December 10!!  Why are you so challenged with the truth, Ian??  CAN you tell the truth??

Last edited by admin on Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:19 pm UTC, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: documentary proof    

We don't use that big red font, and please calm down. Steffan is "admin", Snoopy. If I edit a post it says "Synthian"

Nor was I referring to Linda's letter to G'ma Nettie. She is not and never has been a source of information for me.

Nor was I attacking Duane, nor is there a thread attacking him on 3abntalk.

Ah, but there WAS a thread!!  And nobody said YOU were attacking him, Ian.  It was your loose-lipped buddy steffan who you might want to put a muzzle on for legal purposes...  It was very wise of you to delete that thead!!

Your insults and threats aren't really necessary, but thank you, and yes although not perfect we do try to be accountable in how we moderate and post.

Nor is the 3abntalk forum "my forum"

Then whose is it Ian?  Maybe a subpoena would help clear things up...

As I said, the threats aren't necessary. It isn't a secret who owns the forum, and if you had been reading there you'd already know who it is..

Nor for about the umpteenth dozen time, did I ever get any private chats with snoopy from anyone. "chat" was apparently a bad choice of words. I was referring to her talking to others in public discussion.

Don't hurt yourself with all that backpedaling...

anyway,  sorry for the interuption, you can all carry on with your schoolyard antics now...

And are you back in your own sandbox now??  It looks to me like you need to make a few more edits...

going back..

..ian

"You can only be young once. But you can always be immature."
-- Dave Barry

[sonshineonme]

"Stagger, stagger left, stagger right, roll, roll..."

"Could that be their leether?"

Nor is the 3abntalk forum "my forum"

Whose forum is it?

LOL!! Haby you always have a perfect way to say things.

[Eduard]

We don't use that big red font, and please calm down. Steffan is "admin", Snoopy. If I edit a post it says "Synthian"

Your insults and threats aren't really necessary, but thank you, and yes although not perfect we do try to be accountable in how we moderate and post.

Ian,

Honestly, you people are DISGUSTING! You claim that you “try to be accountable in how [you] moderate and post.” Well, then, why did this low life, Steffan, take my posts from Advent Talk and other forums, pick what was convenient to him, twist the rest, and then insult me “in absentia”? You make such a big deal of your “Christian behavior” as opposed to those, that is, us, who behave in a rude and unchristian manner. Is this your example of “Christian behavior”?


Eduard