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[Bob Pickle]

My point is that you did know that Clay stated that you divulge the identity of a "member", however, I am almost sure that you understood that he was actually talking about you all "outing" Cindi anywhere on the internet when you knew she wished to remain annonymous..  It makes no difference that she is not a user/member here at AdventTalk, but that she preferred to remain annonymouse regarding this 3ABN situation.  If you put her full name out there without her permission, then nomatter what else your post said, the damage was done.  Simple.

 

Since neither Gailon nor I identified Cindi Randall as a member of BSDA, I could but conclude that Clay was referring to outing a member of AT.

Let me repeat: We did not identify her as a member of BSDA in those posts, and no one who read those posts would have concluded that she was a member of BSDA. To my knowledge, the only on AT one who has identified her as a member of BSDA is yourself in this thread.

I just don't have the money to hire a lawyer and let him do all the work. But then, how much money would I need to have?

My post has nothing to do with who represents you in court, but the path you take in defending yourself.  Simple question:  Will you win the case, but will that path to that victory cause you to lose your soul?

That's a valuable question.

I was referring to your statement about "how it virtually consumes your lives." If I could hire a lawyer, then I wouldn't have to do the work myself, and could think about and do other things.

Regarding the path I take in defending myself, I have decided to be honest for one thing. I realize that some folks would rather us not look into certain relevant topics, but looking into relevant topics that others want to prohibit should not in itself cause one to lose their soul.

[Fran]

Thank you Bob.

[irspro]

An aerial geologist disclosed to me that successful oil producers thought there was only one more step after houses, cars, and horses for feeding their egos.  

[pbjelly]

In any event, I have come to the conclusion that I am glad I did not trade Cindy for Bob!!! I just wish she had complained to my conference president, as Bob and I just got them out of a pickle and solved a monstrous little problem that was plaguing a semi-retired former conference president and several of his parishioners. And the little miscreant has decided to move back to his homeland to avoid prosecution. Another job well done, BOB!!!

Mr. Gailon,

I spoke to Frank Tochterman, President of the Southern New England Conference. And I spoke to Dr. Donald King, President of the Atlantic Union Conference. They have not heard of you. They have had nothing to do with you.

Can you please explain this discrepancy?

I also do not understand how something can be monstrous and little at the same time.

Please clarify whether the miscreant was small in stature or small in age or small in offense.

Thank you,
PB

[Bob Pickle]

What exactly is the discrepancy that you see?

[pbjelly]

What exactly is the discrepancy that you see?

Mr. Bob,

as Bob and I just got them out of a pickle and solved a monstrous little  problem

If I were the conference president I would certainly remember both the people who got us out of a pickle. It seems very strange that such a recollection is missing.

[Bob Pickle]

Not necessarily, depending on how many people were involved, how long ago the incident occurred, how good one's memory is, whether the particular incident was referred to when inquiring, and what type of role Gailon played.

It didn't happen yesterday.

I think your initial thoughts are entirely reasonable. Yet at the same time I can understand why you could have gotten the response that you did.

[pbjelly]

I think your initial thoughts are entirely reasonable. Yet at the same time I can understand why you could have gotten the response that you did.

Mr. Bob,
There was a total absence of recollection. Is it possible that you were the sole contact and you had Mr. Gailon do the necessary action?

Mr. Gailon,
I had a total of 3 questions. Please reply when you have the time.

Thank you
PB

[anyman]

Since the only response to date is Mr. Robert Pickle's less than detailed or forthcoming response . . . maybe it's time to consider that the action referenced by Mr. Gailon Arthur Joy was taken in the sort of Robinhoodish, vigilante style, approach he has gained infamy for. Maybe the reason the Conference President isn't aware of Mr. G. A. Joy is because he was never contacted by him in regards to the (oxymoronic) "monstrous little problem" . . .

It would not be unheard of for Mr's Joy and Pickle to hear a rumor and go in guns blazing to take out anyone and every one they assume is guilty . . . without ever checking with those in position to deal with a "problem" or without following normal procedures. After all Mr. G. A. Joy's rationalization of his actions leading to the embezzlement conviction evidences an attitude that he is above the law.

In addition to your well stated questions you might want to press for public openness and transparency about the funds that Mr's Joy and Pickle have solicited use multiple web sites to finance their defense. You might want to ask for evidence that appropriate IRS documents have been filed, or will be when the time comes . . . digital copies of receipts, travel itineraries, as well as any other documentation that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the dollars of their "stockholders in the pews" have been used only for the process of defending themselves against the law suit. To date there has been no public openness or transparency in this regard - only cloaked claims and no evidence.

In any event, I have come to the conclusion that I am glad I did not trade Cindy for Bob!!! I just wish she had complained to my conference president, as Bob and I just got them out of a pickle and solved a monstrous little problem that was plaguing a semi-retired former conference president and several of his parishioners. And the little miscreant has decided to move back to his homeland to avoid prosecution. Another job well done, BOB!!!

Mr. Gailon,

I spoke to Frank Tochterman, President of the Southern New England Conference. And I spoke to Dr. Donald King, President of the Atlantic Union Conference. They have not heard of you. They have had nothing to do with you.

Can you please explain this discrepancy?

I also do not understand how something can be monstrous and little at the same time.

Please clarify whether the miscreant was small in stature or small in age or small in offense.

Thank you,
PB

[Bob Pickle]

I think your initial thoughts are entirely reasonable. Yet at the same time I can understand why you could have gotten the response that you did.

Mr. Bob,
There was a total absence of recollection. Is it possible that you were the sole contact and you had Mr. Gailon do the necessary action?

Mr. Gailon,
I had a total of 3 questions. Please reply when you have the time.

Thank you
PB

I was not the sole contact. I wasn't even the main contact.

But like I said, unless you gave some details of the incident, he might not know at all what you were talking about. And it was possible that the main players in that saga may not have mentioned Gailon's name.

[Bob Pickle]

Maybe the reason the Conference President isn't aware of Mr. G. A. Joy is because he was never contacted by him in regards to the (oxymoronic) "monstrous little problem" . . .

Did Gailon say he had?

Stick with the facts, please.

It would be unheard of for Mr's Joy and Pickle to hear a rumor and go in guns blazing to take out anyone and every one they assume is guilty . . . without ever checking with those in position to deal with a "problem" or without following normal procedures. After all Mr. G. A. Joy's rationalization of his actions leading to the embezzlement conviction evidences an attitude that he is above the law.

You appear to speak out of ignorance.

Regarding the conviction, have you found any evidence that Gailon at the time knew that the law of that state forbid holding on to another's money when that other person also owed you that sum?

In addition to your well stated questions you might want to press for public openness and transparency about the funds that Mr's Joy and Pickle have solicited use multiple web sites to finance their defense. You might want to ask for evidence that appropriate IRS documents have been filed, or will be when the time comes . . . digital copies of receipts, travel itineraries, as well as any other documentation that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the dollars of their "stockholders in the pews" have been used only for the process of defending themselves against the law suit. To date there has been no public openness or transparency in this regard - only cloaked claims and no evidence.

Feel free to call me and tell me what you gave, and I will give you as much information as possible.

[anyman]

And there we have it - a tacit refusal to be publicly open and transparent . . . evidence that the modus operandi is "Do as we say, not as we do."

I suspect that due to your constant harping about financial issues (which of course were unraveled in one fell swoop by the IRS) . . . that your failure to disclose openly and transparently in public your use of donated funds will be one that hounds you to the end - and it wouldn't surprise me if someone hasn't already cried - "Release the hounds!"

Feel free to call me and tell me what you gave, and I will give you as much information as possible.

[Bob Pickle]

I don't think you're making sense.

Why don't you start by quoting exactly what we have said regarding such issues, quotes regarding exactly what we've discussed that needs to be disclosed, and how and when.

Then let's compare.

But I suggest that you do such in a separate thread, unless your inquiries have something to do with the topic, "Attorney Cindi Randall & the NY Pseudonym."

[Bob Pickle]

I'm curious, anyman, are you taking the position that 3ABN must give financial reports that include documentation of every expense, and must do so multiple times during the year?

[Snoopy]

I don't' recall seeing anywhere that Gailon and Bob declared themselves to be a tax-exempt entity.

And there we have it - a tacit refusal to be publicly open and transparent . . . evidence that the modus operandi is "Do as we say, not as we do."

I suspect that due to your constant harping about financial issues (which of course were unraveled in one fell swoop by the IRS) . . . that your failure to disclose openly and transparently in public your use of donated funds will be one that hounds you to the end - and it wouldn't surprise me if someone hasn't already cried - "Release the hounds!"

Feel free to call me and tell me what you gave, and I will give you as much information as possible.