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[Bob Pickle]

I asked Gailon what he meant about Cindi having a NY pseudonym, and this is what he said.

When Cindi was in New York, she was said to have been introduced to the gathering by a pseudonym, she knew Gailon knew she was there, she thought Gailon might try to serve her, and she was trying to avoid being served. That's what Gailon tells me.

Gailon thinks Attorney Cindi Randall is a conspirator who plays both sides in this saga.

[bonnie]

I asked Gailon  and this is what he said.

When Cindi was in New York, she was said to have been introduced to the gathering by a pseudonym, she knew Gailon knew she was there, she thought Gailon might try to serve her, and she was trying to avoid being served. That's what Gailon tells me.

Gailon thinks Attorney Cindi Randall is a conspirator who plays both sides in this saga.

Can you point me to the post about gossip and spreading rumor,  I am sure I must have seen it,and Bob I know you would not want to be guilty of spreading gossip about anyone, even if Gailon did.

She was said to have,she knew. Gailon thinks someone is a conspirator , so what gailon thinks becomes truth. Is this the guidelines you have used thru far Bob
I am wondering if any of us can do this.
I have a variety of thoughts concerning a couple of members.
Would it be permmissable .

[Bob Pickle]

Can you point me to the post about gossip and spreading rumor,  I am sure I must have seen it,and Bob I know you would not want to be guilty of spreading gossip about anyone, even if Gailon did.

She was said to have,she knew. Gailon thinks someone is a conspirator , so what gailon thinks becomes truth. Is this the guidelines you have used thru far Bob
I am wondering if any of us can do this.
I have a variety of thoughts concerning a couple of members.
Would it be permmissable .

bonnie, you were one of the ones asking questions about Gailon's post. So I am trying to provide answers to questions about that post.

What Gailon thinks doesn't make it so. That's one reason why I don't state as fact things I can't personally prove.

While I won't say that Cindi Randall is a conspirator, I do presently believe she is involved in intrigue. If she wants to call me and explain how she isn't involved in intrigue in any way, I'm all ears.

[Artiste]

Can you point me to the post about gossip and spreading rumor,  I am sure I must have seen it,and Bob I know you would not want to be guilty of spreading gossip about anyone, even if Gailon did.

She was said to have,she knew. Gailon thinks someone is a conspirator , so what gailon thinks becomes truth. Is this the guidelines you have used thru far Bob
I am wondering if any of us can do this.
I have a variety of thoughts concerning a couple of members.
Would it be permmissable .

Bonnie, you speak out of ignorance.

[bonnie]

Can you point me to the post about gossip and spreading rumor,  I am sure I must have seen it,and Bob I know you would not want to be guilty of spreading gossip about anyone, even if Gailon did.

She was said to have,she knew. Gailon thinks someone is a conspirator , so what gailon thinks becomes truth. Is this the guidelines you have used thru far Bob
I am wondering if any of us can do this.
I have a variety of thoughts concerning a couple of members.
Would it be permmissable .

Bonnie, you speak out of ignorance.

No, I don't think so.

[Fran]

I will wait to hear the full story which has not been posted yet, I am sure.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I will wait to hear the full story which has not been posted yet, I am sure.

ANd can you imagine that this woman had the gall to call a conference President? Well, Ken Corkum will get two calls!!! Actually, make that three.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Bob Pickle]

Perhaps the woman had the gall to call up Clay at BSDA too. Someone called or contacted him and he launched a bitter attack, falsely accusing me of outing a member.

I would like to invite Cindi Randall, wherever she is, to send me written disapproval of Clay's statements on BSDA. I could then post it here for her.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Perhaps the woman had the gall to call up Clay at BSDA too. Someone called or contacted him and he launched a bitter attack, falsely accusing me of outing a member.

I would like to invite Cindi Randall, wherever she is, to send me written disapproval of Clay's statements on BSDA. I could then post it here for her.

Bob,

Just check under the rocks.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Snoopy]

I had to go look just out of curiousity and came away JUST SHAKING MY HEAD (to steal a phrase from someone I once trusted).

Things have really changed over there for Calvin to allow that kind of garbage - and from a moderator.  Too bad.

Perhaps the woman had the gall to call up Clay at BSDA too. Someone called or contacted him and he launched a bitter attack, falsely accusing me of outing a member.

I would like to invite Cindi Randall, wherever she is, to send me written disapproval of Clay's statements on BSDA. I could then post it here for her.

[Sister]

I just went over to BSDA and read Clays "rant". I was not impressed, it is typical Clay. As he said himself, he always has to have the last word.  ...And then he closes the thread. What did surprise me was the venom in Bonnie's posts, not what she said, but the way she said it. I heard the sound of frustration echoed through all she had to say.  **** **** ****** **** **** **** ****** ******  ***** *** **** * *****  I believe she added to the discussion, except when she and Gailon had at each other like two junkyard dogs. Both of them could have toned it down a few notches and gained more sympathy. There is no honor in fighting like the devil in order to defend the kingdom of God.


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[Fran]

I am truly saddened by what has happened.

I now know who it was that was outing everyone.  I guess I should feel that what goes around comes around, but I can't.  I was so hurt that 3ABN cheated and found out who we all were so they could destroy our credibility.

The fact comes to mind that I do not have any credibility.  All I have is what God definitely laid in my heart and lap.  I did not want it.  I asked God to ask someone else to do it.  He revealed to me that he expected me to follow through.  Oh, what it has cost everyone!  I am so sorry.  May God forgive me if I have been too unkind or have not always followed His will!

In the information I have provided, I did not do it to destroy any person.  Each and every one of us are God's Child.  We are all sorry specimens of righteousness because there is only One righteous!  I have to plead to be covered by His righteousness.

During these years I have seen some sorry actions by the children of God.  Some who have butted in to have 15 minutes of earthly glory. One is climbing a ladder to stardom on gossip that destroys.

This started with Financial irregularities and has swelled to a mighty whirlwind.  We must stand where God wants us to stand!  May God hold me fast and protect me from those that are out to destroy.

Bob and Gailon were given a message too.  Imperfect as they are, they are the ones that God gave the task of finding out what was true.   We are not a group.  Believe it or not, I stand alone.  Bob stands alone!  Gailon Stands alone!  Gailon posts on his own and Bob posts on his own.  I post on my own.  There is no conspiracy.

I believe God has chosen them for something they have that others do not have.  Otherwise, God would have chosen others.  God has to deal with what he can work with.  No one is perfect!  All of us have done something at sometime that we are ashamed of.

I am so sorry the one outing us was outed.  I am sure she felt she was right also.  I hurt right now because I want this to end, but God has laid it wide open.  Danny and 3ABN started the ball rolling when they decided to sue IL over the Property Tax issue.  God had him do that I am sure!  I believe God was there also during the process of the appeal!  Think about it.  If there had not been a lawsuit, we would not be here.  I believe God used that information to bring things to light that needed to change.

Once that happened, a flood gate opened and there was fall out.  Danny Shelton knows well the way to destroy; divide and conquer.  Has he won already.  I think not.  As for me, I intend to allow God to hold me up because I can not stand on my own!  I will fail and fall. 

Bob has been sued just like IL was sued.  He must do what he has to do to be able to defend himself in court.  It behoves him to do everything that God leads him to do.  Is he always in tune with God?  I am not.  How can I expect it from him?

Gailon was sued.  Each one separately!  He must do his best to do what God wants him to do.  Is he perfect?  Neither am I.  Danny has seen to it his past was published in the Internet.  I do not care about the embezzlement charge he had against him.  It should have been is small claims court!  Yes, he is boustrous!  That may be the very reason God picked him.  I do not know the reason for anything.  All I know is my part.  I can't condemn them because they have been lead where they did not want to go.  So was God!  They stand to loose everything.  So did God.  All that because of Danny Shelton convinced the Board to sue Gailon and Bob with him.

I am really saddened by the events that have transpired.  I have great respect for Calvin at BSDA.  I must have been banned.  I can't log in.  I am OK about that if that is what they have decided to do.  If I have hurt them, I am very sorry.  I miss Bonnie.  We did seem to have a lot of hobbies that matched. 

I hope God will always remind me of my faults so I am more careful about my words.  I am sorry GN and IRSpro.  I apologize publicly for my private words of anger!

Please, if everyone could pray for me, Bob, and Gailon, it would sure be appreciated.  I really need it right now for more than just this mess.  I need you to pray for me as a private request.  Pray for God's will in my life in certain personal matters.

I also want to praise God for what he has done for me.  He shed His blood for me.  He has given to me beyond measure.  Dare I ask for more?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I just went over to BSDA and read Clays "rant". I was not impressed, it is typical Clay. As he said himself, he always has to have the last word.  ...And then he closes the thread. What did surprise me was the venom in Bonnie's posts, not what she said, but the way she said it. I heard the sound of frustration echoed through all she had to say.  **** **** ****** **** **** **** ****** ******  ***** *** **** * *****  I believe she added to the discussion, except when she and Gailon had at each other like two junkyard dogs. Both of them could have toned it down a few notches and gained more sympathy. There is no honor in fighting like the devil in order to defend the kingdom of God.


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1) Junkyard dogs? Good grief, I have never even posted on Black SDA. But, let me point out that if there is to be a fight, I am usually up to it.

2) Sympathy? Who has applied for sympathy? This is about debate and sympathy is as barren as the Sahara.

3) Clay: I will be quite frank and state emphatically that I neither appreciate, nor like, what I have observed of the obnoxious moderator referred to as Clay, dare I out his real full name? Clay has never exhibited open mindedness, even handedness, moderate temper nor acceptable character. And given his statements, I question whether he has even exhibited a belief in Seventh-day Adventist fundemental beliefs, let alone the second coming. 

4) And Clay's Soviet approach to dealing with issues is classic despotic behaviour. Open a thread, rant without any foundation and then close it to comment? I question his analytical ability. What did we say about Cindy that equated her with any pseudonym? Nothing, absolutely nothing. And did we trash her when we (and some of you) knew we could? Absolutely not.

5) Do we have a right to to discuss Cindy's intrigue and her use of surrogates rather than facing us directly? We absolutely do. And Grandma Nettie is not the only person that played surrogate.

6) And how about Cindy, the dispassionate SDA Church hater, calling Ken Corkum of Maritime Conference to complain? Give me a break. If he knew what I knew, he would have gotten on a jetplane to Ohio to make a pastoral call to deal with some of her issues- and given her cell phone call the lack of credibility and time it deserved-.

7) Cindy made a couple of attempts to contact me in the early days of the 3ABN vs Joy litigation to give advise and assistance. I declined. I knew enough about Cindy to know that we did not need her working with us. And we already knew she was stressed beyond belief. The last thing she needed was more of the same given the magnitude this case would deliver. And you know what they say about a woman scorned...? But then to work both sides? And give Linda Shelton seriously flawed advise (dare I call it ill-legal advise?)!!! A complaint to the right bar association would have sunk that hull real fast. Still could!!!

In fact, our case has never reached the magnitude I thought it would attain, but better days are ahead. As the other side gets more desperate to keep us out of the books, I expect it will intensify and get downright VISCIOUS!!! But we are quite comfortable with Counselor Bob Pickle case managing and working super diligently to give them two runs for every ounce of effort they make. BEST DOG-GONE LITIGATOR I HAVE EVER WORKED WITH!!! And I suspect we will work together again in the future, as often as I can get him into trouble!!! In my opinion, BOB MISSED HIS CALLING!!! (But he is no junkyard dog, he leaves the bark and bite to me).

I have come to realize that Bob Pickle has more tenacity than the entire brotherhood at world famous DLA Piper (formerly DLA Piper Rudnick Gray Cary) with its 3000 lawyers, one of which congratulated me for the work I did for a lawyer on an insurance case that we blew apart within sixty days by investigating and counterclaiming, including specific allegations against the attorney for the plaintiff, for a misuse of process claim and various other allegations. Ironically, it was dismissed before the insurance company could even determine liability and assign counsel. My only problem is I know Bob could have gotten it done in thirty days!!! (Those young whipper snappers just have too much vim and vinegar for us old dogs to keep up with).

In any event, I have come to the conclusion that I am glad I did not trade Cindy for Bob!!! I just wish she had complained to my conference president, as Bob and I just got them out of a pickle and solved a monstrous little problem that was plaguing a semi-retired former conference president and several of his parishioners. And the little miscreant has decided to move back to his homeland to avoid prosecution. Another job well done, BOB!!!

And I guess that brings us to an interesting proposition- Hey, Clay, why don't you speak to Gregory and see if you have the right to litigate and we can take this issue up in a civil court? Of course, we do get to rebut your rants there and you cannot close the session before we get the opportunity!!! I know that probably does not settle well with despots, but it is the real world of US Constitutional Law. Or you could, in good sense, evaporate that thread to keep people from realizing that you "outted" your own!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy, the Junkyard Dog!!!
(OOP'S, caught again!!!)

[Snoopy]

Did you get in touch with Ken Corkum, Gailon?

I will wait to hear the full story which has not been posted yet, I am sure.

ANd can you imagine that this woman had the gall to call a conference President? Well, Ken Corkum will get two calls!!! Actually, make that three.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[bonnie]

I just went over to BSDA and read Clays "rant". I was not impressed, it is typical Clay. As he said himself, he always has to have the last word.  ...And then he closes the thread. What did surprise me was the venom in Bonnie's posts, not what she said, but the way she said it. I heard the sound of frustration echoed through all she had to say.  **** **** ****** **** **** **** ****** ******  ***** *** **** * *****  I believe she added to the discussion, except when she and Gailon had at each other like two junkyard dogs. Both of them could have toned it down a few notches and gained more sympathy. There is no honor in fighting like the devil in order to defend the kingdom of God.

sister,
I have no quarrel with you or the fact you disagree with me on some issues. I do not know clay. I have not read with the exception of a post or two the whole 3ABN saga that took place there.  I have enjoyed our time in "Healthy Choices"
You probably are accurate in both reading frustration and venom.  My frustrations comes from a couple of people that enjoy the fight, in fact I believe go searching for the fight. All eagerness to carve another notch on the belt.
I was accused many times by several that I would do anything or say anything if it was against the church. As such I also then had those that looked at me as another opportunity because of what they saw as my hatred, and wanted and expected to be able to use me because of that.

I do not like unfairness. I do not like people that take obvious sheer delight in hurting others,even if "those others" surrounding the issue are not totally bameless, just to get to their prey.  Many innocent or genuinely concerned people can be hurt badly by the behaviour of taking any and all down to get to your goal. I don't have any desire to do that or see that

As to this analogy.....I believe she added to the discussion, except when she and Gailon had at each other like two junkyard dogs.

It is foolish to send a 3 lb yorkie to fight a junk yard dog.

Both of them could have toned it down a few notches and gained more sympathy. There is no honor in fighting like the devil in order to defend the kingdom of God down a few notches and gained more sympathy.

It was never my intent to gain sympathy. I fight my own battles.  In that I am sure many may think I am wrong. Not a problem. 

Both of them could have toned it down a few notches

  I am not a 3 lb yorkie in the junk yard analogy


It would be my wish that we could remain forum friends .  I have enjoyed Fran as well as a few that has had the hatred from the junk yard spewed in their direction many times.

I hope that it can remain so