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[Bob Pickle]

Wal-Qaeda.com and Walocaust.com.

Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.

http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf

[bonnie]

Wal-Qaeda.com and Walocaust.com.

Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.

Just have to love the garbage that passes for intellect.

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Smith is an avid and vocal critic of Wal-Mart. He believes that
Wal-Mart has a destructive effect on communities, treats workers badly,
and has a damaging influence on the United States as a whole—an influence
so detrimental to the United States and its communities that Smith likens it
to that of the Nazi regime. With the goals of stimulating discussions about
Wal-Mart and getting others of like mind to join him in expressing strongly

Any and all that have lived under the Nazi Regime should be furious at this ridiculous statement. Wonder if this fine honest upstanding fellow rushes to wal mart to buy his prescriptions. First place I head.
I know several that work at wal-mart, there isn't a Nazi that picks them up and drives them to work in the death camps or concentation camps at the point of a gun.

It is probable those that do not want to work believe wal-mart is destructive to the US.

Friends and neighbors of mine work at wal-mart/ They all are satisfied working there. Of course they would like more money but are intelligent enough to know without even high school diploma they cannot expect to be paid what others that have gone to college get. That is why education is so important. I suppose Wal-mart could be blamed somehow for the fact that some have not finished high school. Neighbors of mine work part-time for wal-mart and are thankful they will work around their full time job.
They have the intelligence to know that if they want a career or top dollar,places like wal-mart aren't it. Most that work there do so because either are not qualified in area's that require education,mothers working around day care etc.
Like MacDonald's,most with a reasonable IQ know you do not go to high school and college so you can get a job at wal-mart or MacDonalds.

[Snoopy]

Actually, Wal-Mart does not have a real good reputation in the business world for the way they conduct business in general.  There is even a video out about it - I think it is called "The High Cost of Low Prices" or something like that.  Once I watched that video I really didn't ever want to go into a Wal-Mart again, and I am convinced that Wal-Mart is not particularly good for the U.S. economy.  At the risk of being beat up here, I'll spare you the gory details.

OK, ducking and running...

[Habanero]

I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.

[bonnie]

Actually, Wal-Mart does not have a real good reputation in the business world for the way they conduct business in general.  There is even a video out about it - I think it is called "The High Cost of Low Prices" or something like that.  Once I watched that video I really didn't ever want to go into a Wal-Mart again, and I am convinced that Wal-Mart is not particularly good for the U.S. economy.  At the risk of being beat up here, I'll spare you the gory details.

OK, ducking and running...

Was the video unbiased or trying to back up someone's point?? There was also a video posted here if I recall. Was it an unbiased video or did it show exactly what was wanted to be shown on a particular topic.

I am sure there are many things that employees would like to change and some rightly so. Does that make wal-mart any worse than say Target or K-Mart?
You may think having to pay a high price for something is good for the economy.maybe so. But is not so great for mine. I am thankful to wal-mart that I can now get my prescription for 4.00 per month rather than the 24.00 I was paying.

Wal-Mart carries a brand of clothing for women,one that used to be carried by Macy's. Maybe you and others here could afford Macy's I could not. Macy's quit carrying it as they did not want to compete with wal-mart. Tough cookies, that is business.  If you do not want to spend your life working in a store that pays the wages wal-mart does, there is a way to solve that. GET AN EDUCATION.
MacDonald's pays a comparable wage and employs many student's ,mothers working their way around day care.It is a job that fits around their schedule and training and education
Come to think of it, my granddaughter works in a upscale clothing store. No accommodations made for different shifts,insurance that is not the greatest, and 1.00 over and above similar positions at wal-mart.  Maybe she is really working at a Nazi concentration camp and doesn't know it.

Best part about all this,this clothing store does not get it's merchandise in the US . Guess where it comes from.

Wal-mart and similar places are not viewed as a career but as parttime job or one that matches their talents and training thru education

[GRAT]

Bob, is this something you can use in your defense, will it be helpful to you?

[bonnie]

I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.

Let me share something with you. I did recognize that fact. No matter who I see making outrageous statements to try to bolster their case, it gives me some thoughts about those that do that.
The man in this story is offensive and using comparisons that are an insult to many people that went thru some horrifying experiences

[bonnie]

I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.

Wal Mart got a bad wrap on the insurance claim by a badly injured woman. The situation was not wal-mart policy as it was insurance policy. My own insurance is exactly the same. You cannot collect twice for injuries.
It will pay for expenses until there is a insurance settlement. This woman had already obtained a settlement from the at fault driver



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[Johann]

Any and all that have lived under the Nazi Regime should be furious at this ridiculous statement. Wonder if this fine honest upstanding fellow rushes to wal mart to buy his prescriptions. First place I head.
I know several that work at wal-mart, there isn't a Nazi that picks them up and drives them to work in the death camps or concentation camps at the point of a gun.

Here is a sample of what could be termed a mis-statement. It so happens that I was married for 51 years to a girl who was brought up under the Nazi regime in Germany, and I got well acquainted with several of her relatives who were also there. What often is left in the oblivion of forgetfulness is that Adolf Hitler provided work for the destitude who suffered under the depression. Many modern Germans miss the high morals and discipline today which they experienced throughout the Nazi regime.

One of my wife's aunts who was appointed a youth leader told me about her work and their high ideals. She married another youth leader who, when drafted, was assigned to a concentration camp. She told me of her visits to that concentration camp where all was well swept and clean and orderly. She saw no gun-points there, just people asssigned to perform their jobs in an orderly fashion. It was not until after the war she learned of atrocities in some of those camps. It was not until then she learned how crazy Adolf Hitler really was, but this was information issued by the allied forces.

There could be times when we need to work on eliminating the nazi system in ourselves just as much as we search for it in others.

[bonnie]

The comparison drawn between wal-mart and Nazi concentration camps is absurd and designed for those that don't bother to check facts . Anyone that absurd is one to walk away from.

If you do not have a education, you have no training for the work place,you need very flexible scheduling,close to home it is probably best not to work there. Work in a upscale enviourment as my granddaughter, I am sure they will accommodate you and pay you the wages that you determine you need.

[Bob Pickle]

Bob, is this something you can use in your defense, will it be helpful to you?

Absolutely!

If that guy can sell T-Shirts with such outrageous stuff on them and it not violate trademark law, then we could even sell "Save 3ABN ... Can Dan!" T-Shirts and still not violate it either. (Not that I want to.)

Note that Smith was out to injure Wal-Mart, not Save Wal-Mart because the leader of Wal-Mart was violating the standards of their common faith.

[bonnie]

Wal Mart doesn't do anything different than other companies do.

I purchase a tremendous amount of fabric. I can go to the local fabric shop and pay between 8.99 and 10.99 per yard. I go to a warehouse type fabric shop and pay from 3-4.98 for same brand,identical fabric.

My local shop complains about them as much as others complain about wal-mart.  Can you guess where I shop?? And I shop there so that I can cut the throat(prices) of those that do the same thing I do and don't have acess to fabric
at that price

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.

And besides our own prejudicially predicitive PMA drummer Bonnie, who else has stated that allegations against Walmart are "outrageous"?

Of course, those blind to the constant allegations relating to miscue's by Walmart would argue all is just fine. The neat thing about American Society is that you can protest against a company or company management's  conduct in mutliple ways and still enjoy the fruit of the underlying corporate philosophy.

Frankly, the institution called Walmart is a mixed bag, at best, frequently running amis of the law in their efforts to sustain rock bottom pricing and even rockier business relationships. They are an 1800 pound bull in a China Closet economy and don't much care how much china gets broken as long as they get to feed at the profits trough. But, then, what is new in the US Corporate arena? Or the World Arena as far as that goes.

If you get away with it you make millions; and if you get caught then you pay millions to get away with it. They call them fines and consent orders, or "I am not guilty but I will pay to get away with it if I am guilty".

But, alas, the real point is that the US Constitution does guaranatee FREE SPEECH, so far!!! And 3ABN will not be the exception to the rule of law!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[bonnie]

And besides our own prejudicially predictive PMA drummer Bonnie, who else has stated that allegations against Walmart are "outrageous"?

I am pretty prejudicial to the truth Gailon, instead of gross overstatements. I went to school with a family from germany. They had fled the Nazi's in the middle of the night in sub zero cold in a horse drawn wagon. So happy when they arrived at safety then the mother realized the mother realized her infant daughter had frozen to death Any "predictive drummer ' that wants to equate Nazi power with Wal-mart has more than  a few screws loose. Being a nutcase is not against the constitution, in that you are right, but it is hardly something to advertise or champion.

Of course, those blind to the constant allegations relating to miscue's by Walmart would argue all is just fine. The neat thing about American Society is that you can protest against a company or company management's conduct in multiple ways and still enjoy the fruit of the underlying corporate philosophy.

If wal-marrt were the only coporation doing these acts it would be a little different. It is not. You do not have to shop there and you do not have to work there.

Frankly, the institution called Walmart is a mixed bag, at best, frequently running amiss of the law in their efforts to sustain rock bottom pricing and even rockier business relationships. They are an 1800 pound bull in a China Closet economy and don't much care how much china gets broken as long as they get to feed at the profits trough. But, then, what is new in the US Corporate arena? Or the World Arena as far as that goes.

Most institutions are a mixed bag.

But, alas, the real point is that the US Constitution does guarantee FREE SPEECH, so far!!! And 3ABN will not be the exception to the rule of law!!!

I don't recall saying the constitution didn't allow idiots,liars, slanderers,dissatisfied workers,or that wal-mart was clean as a whistle.
You may prevail but you also may get to enjoy crow. Some people like it, I guess.





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[GrandmaNettie]

I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.

From the "Conclusion" section of the Smith Case:

The Court hereby issues a declaratory judgment that Smith's activities have not violated any of Wal-Mart's trademark rights.  Smith may maintain his domain names and websites.  He may also resume offering for sale via his Walocaust and Wal-Qaeda CafePress webstores his parodic WALOCAUST and WAL-QAEDA, FREEDOM HATER MART, and BENTON*VILLEBULLIES ALWAYS concepts printed on novelty merchancise; on any webpage or other channel offering such merchandise for sale, Smith must continue to include prominent disclaimers of affiliation with Wal-Mart.

The Smith case might help Bob and Gailon defend their use of "3ABN" in the names of their websites.  The content on those sites, unless I have missed some slogans that could be characterized as "parodic", as well as their statements published here and elsewhere, are far more specifically pointed at individual human beings and not a huge corporation as with the Smith case.  

Bob and Gailon would be wise to study carefully the conclusion of the case.  It appears that, although Mr. Smith requested reimbursement for his costs, he didn't include that request in his request for summary judgment.  It looks like he might have to sell a few more T-shirts, etc., to cover any costs above and beyond the $1000+ donations for his legal fund donated through Public Citizen.