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[tinka]

THANK YOU,
I just believed it meant emphasis on points. I never even thought that any making capitals was yelling either. Just emphasizing their points. But I will remember your point. Just got into that habit by critiquing some books that a friend is writing on Political Views in Economy that I had her bring out the points and subjects.

[ex3abnemployee]

Well, I do know this. There are victims out there that Tommy has NEVER gone to in an attempt to make any kind of apology. There are also victims with whom he has spoken in an arrogant, consescending way. People like 3ABN_Defender want to come in here, hiding behind a screen name, and try to make it appear like HE is the one who is being done wrong. Tommy is NOT the victim here.

If you're going to accuse someone of gossip and slander, at least be adult enough to sign your name.

[Fran]

Well, I do know this. There are victims out there that Tommy has NEVER gone to in an attempt to make any kind of apology. There are also victims with whom he has spoken in an arrogant, condescending way. People like 3ABN_Defender want to come in here, hiding behind a screen name, and try to make it appear like HE is the one who is being done wrong. Tommy is NOT the victim here.

If you're going to accuse someone of gossip and slander, at least be adult enough to sign your name.

I totally agree!  There is no reason to hide is there?

[tinka]

ex3abnemployee,

Your adjectives in "arrogant and condensending to a victim" are typical of a molester pedophile, they are quite intelligent to know when and who to choose their victim at a moment of down time that they can be overpowered in vulnerable situations to the point of seclusion of facts over feeling guilt of forced submission or submission.  How cunning is their selfish, sick, uncontrolled evil passions that will pick their prey on the most naive innocent and cause the victim to feel all the guilt while they are in denial, arrogant and brought the victim to their bringing down as your adjective suggests. Of course it is worth it to them to depend on the victim wanting only seclusion and no embarrassment.  The perp has no embarrassment as the line was crossed long ago and the passion of a perp feeds on. unless of course the seek healing. But the law of the land states this a horrific crime that has been committed that is the same taken from the Bible.  I am again saying that we are talking about a typical molester. This is horrible to befall any family either way. These mysteries can only be known why in judgement time. It is brave and right for victims to come forward so there is no more victims but very understandable for victims to flee from the very thoughts and if that is what helps their particular situation then so be it. Sin will be exposed sooner or later in a life time and sins will com out. .....in Public. If a victim finds faith and belief truly then there is no room for any more guilt. Its over or you truly do not believe that God can forgive all things. A person is now free with His trust and faith found in Jesus. The hated sin proves what side a person is on.

 Somehow I do not think that too many secrets are buried. Because the Bible says that ones sins will find one out.
Just a little curious about this question and guess you do not have to answer and quite ok if you do not . but wondering if you knew they claimed nondenominational while they collected under the banner of 3 angels message and SDA Insignia  or was it claimed after the "investigations" sort of speaking to get through the suits? To me that was the biggest deceivement to the public. If always nondenominational it seems very Intelligent for premeditation of future bail out problems. in other words in business always cover your backside from losing your funds as you proceed in oblivious entanglements. I admit that i could not be that intelligent to cover all the issues that have surfaced in the business of 3abn. It is mind boggling even into all the satelight problems. It happened just one day all of a sudden. Our 3 abn was turned off as we paid for it all. I called in and got a bunch of malarkey. I followed it through right to the stations and engineers and somewhere I might still have their reply on just why!!
Take care and live happy in the Lord and be glad your the ex employee.

[princessdi]

Uh, Tinka, what are you talking about? 

Let me make this simple.  My problem here is that this thread started out asking for prayer for this child of God, because he was seriously ill,  and then it turned into kicking him while he is down.  No matter what he has done, a prayer for his restored health is the right thing to do.  Continuing to accuse him of already well documented alleged crimes as he fights for his life is not.  No matter what he has done, again, two wrongs don't make a right.  NONE of us here are responsible for his action, good, bad or indifferent, neither are any of us repsonsible for seeing that he repents(don't get it twisted, I believe he is guilty of pretty much most of what he has been accused, sans some creative licence taken for sensational purposes).  We don't know that he has not repented and been forgiven.  God is not going to tell us, and TS doesn't have to....either......there doesn't have to be a public declaration of his repentence to satisfy anyone...........simple as that.  IOW, you may never see his repentence, but it doesn't mean he hasn't done it.  It is just none of our business.  How many others here have made public declarations of repentance of sins through which others were hurt?  We have all done it on some level, even if it was hurting someone's feeling whom we love dearly.  Yet God is gracious and allowing us to feel safe in the fact that He won't put our buisness in the street.  Each and everyone of us go and sit in church each and every week safe in the knowledge that out past sins are just that, in the past, God remember them no more, he has cast them into the depths of the sea, and nobody has the right to go scuba diving to dig them up demanding that you publicly repent to their satisfaction.  It doesn't matter the sin.  That is also extended to TS as God's child. 

If TS has repented and been forgiven that is wonderful! Praise God!  If he hasn't, it still has nothing to do with any of us(except those posting who are vitims), as he is the one who will pay the consequences for those sins.  The rest of us have absolutely nothing to do with it.  We can't demand TS do anything.

However, we ARE responsible for our own actions.  We are called to be Christ like at ALL times.  Jesus did not berate, condemn or belittle the woman at the well, or the woman who was brought to Him to be stoned, Zacheus, and a number of other guilty people.  Now, if Jeusu, creator and Redeemer, can find the compassion to give these people common respect and lovingly lead them to the right path.  We, who have no heaven or hell to put them in, should do exactly the same, right?   However, He did have some harsh words for the Pharisees, church leaders, and other self righteous publicans. I dont' disblief the examples posted by Bob, they are scripture, but wrong for the point he is trying to make.......unless he considers himself a prophet and/or Jesus.

...and I am here and posting because......I can...simple, and to my knowledge, and the last time I checked I don't have to agree with Bob, Gailon, you, or even my dear friend(HUGS!!!) Snoopy all the time for the privilege.  Any more questions?

Well, I actually have a question.  What in the world does Star Wars or chess(which I don't how to play) have to do with this thread, or my repsonse?  You are confused about that fact that I study my SS lesson, or attend and teach SS?  Niether can happen unless I...........study!   Ok, well that is two questions,......Sorry.

And please stop the personal attacks. I have not personally attacked anyone here, only addressed issues with which I agree or disagree.  Plus, I am not the one.

AND TO YOU PRINCESS DI,

You sound like the theory of going to AA, I'm an alcoholic, I'm an alcoholic, and when your finally free, your still yelling I'm an alcoholic, alcoholic, alcoholic. What happened to your "free at last", "free at last".  What was the good of going if you have your own will?  (What was wrong with going to God instead of men and the AA Just an example of figment of speech or example) you are your own rule maker and chose your own games and still into Star Wars, games that take your time for intertainment for yourself and others. How about a game of Chess there??  Stewardship of time means nothing. lack of study it appears as soon as you post and yet you find time to SS. Confused??  Yes very confusing!! You refuse Belief of what Bob Pickle has posted in truth with Scripture. What actually are you doing here or what is your purpose???

 Most on here are a protector of victims and not the crimes. And yes all are sad when one chooses not the FAITH and REPENTENANCE THAT WILL GIVE SALVATION. But I also have great sadness for what has been done to victims..probably more.  Then there is the law of the land!!!!!!! Here and Eternity.

No one is going to pray TS into Eternity unless His true faith is found on his own acceptance. Every one around him has pointed to him in that direction through the Holy Spirit. Just like in the other post that I copied. It now takes "Forgivness" from God and victims to whom the damage was done. What will keep TS from going to victims?? I am wondering if that might help repair some victims? Even tho it must be a life experience that just does not go away like not overcoming being a sinner (or in other words as example (alcoholic even tho no more drink). Man, like Satan has been the convincer of victim to never be free.

[Snoopy]

Per review of recent court filings and Bob's transcription of voicemail messages left by Dan Shelton for Pastor Dryden, it looks to me like Dan Shelton was clearly aware of the recent allegations against Tommy.

The following excerpt is copied directly from http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-171.pdf:


10. Dryden gave me recordings of two phone messages left by Danny Shelton on the Ezra Church of God’s answering machine on May 23, 2003, at 10:25 am and 11:50 am. These recordings are found in the MP3 file in the folder on Ex. H labeled in part Folder 1.

11. I have accurately transcribed the recording of the 10:25 am message as follows:

Hi Glenn, this is Danny Shelton. Uh, I was wanting to talking to you for a few minutes, if I could. I’m leaving though in about an hour. It’s 10:25 I think I’m, A.M. on Friday. I’m leaving in about an hour for Canada, uh, for tomorrow and tomorrow night, but I’ll be back, uh, over the weekend.

I want to talk to you a little bit about a letter that I found that, that didn’t have a signature but uh, anyway, they said you put it together.

And I wanted to talk to you about this bill that you’re saying been introduced that the governor’s going to sign. I’ve done homework on it. I’ve put an attorney to see about the statute of limitations, and basically [clears throat] what happens if the statutes run out it does not go back [clears throat] any, any [clears throat] excuse me, any person that’s over 28 years of age, uh, cannot the statute of limitations run out. It will not go back. If the statutes of limitations, is what I want to tell you, has run out already, which it has in this case, you can’t go back.
 
This is only if somebody, say it’s been 8 years, uh, since it of been happened, uh, then that will be stretched to 20 years. But if the 10 years is already passed, in this case which it has, uh, then that statute left, the new bill does not affect that.

I’ve got this through an attorney who went through not only the state’s attorney that didn’t know but the, the uh appellate courts and all the way to the state level. And I thought you should know that because for you to be putting out some of these letters that you’re putting out, you might want to be careful what, what you’re putting out or what you’re saying, and that you don’t [clears throat] bring reproach, uh, against yourself, ah, for not giving factual information. But anyway, you want to call me you can call me at, uh, ***-****. Thanks.


12. I have accurately transcribed the recording of the 11:50 am message as follows:

Hi Glenn. This is, uh, Danny Shelton again. I’m headed off uh, uh, to Canada, but I wanted to give another message.

Someone since I just left my last message brought me a letter that you have written to people in the church, uh, somewhere that you thought Tommy may be going, and you say that he has molested 6, uh, boys, uh, in that church.

And, I think you really need to be careful about that, because you’re setting yourself up for, to be liable actually, because there has been no charges, and that there’s been, there has been no, been, there has been no, uh, charges formally made, there’s never been admitted to, there’s been nothing.

I’ve talked to an attorney about it, and what you really should say is there have been some accusations against him, or allegedly he has done this. But when you set yourself in writing as you did, uhm, I just think for your own sake you need to be careful about that.

Uh, because what you say is very powerful. People look to you as you know, uh, as a pastor. So that’s one of your complaints, uh, about uh Tommy.

So you want to make sure that your own, it seems to me, that you want to make sure that ch[] safe waters yourself, and that you’re very, very careful of what you say and not to get yourself, ah, in a position that ruins your credibility.

So I’m just saying this, I’m willing to talk to you about it some [] talk to me. Thanks. Bye.


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I have heard these recordings of Dan's threats.  Sad.





Edit note:  No, Bob did not include the little smilies in his court filing.  Those are a result of the forum software that automatically turns three question marks into the "huh?" smiley!!

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

And how dare you review COURT FILINGS???

Oh, yeah, you are "Snoopy"!!!

What a great name for a great sleuth!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

PS: Wonder if IAN, ANYMAN, SAM et al reviewed them??? Hard to believe so many have read so much for so long and are still uneducated~~~the educational system clearly needs more money!!!

[Snoopy]

Per review of recent court filings and Bob's transcription of voicemail messages left by Dan Shelton for Pastor Dryden, it looks to me like Dan Shelton was clearly aware of the recent allegations against Tommy.

The following excerpt is copied directly from http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-171.pdf:


10. Dryden gave me recordings of two phone messages left by Danny Shelton on the Ezra Church of God’s answering machine on May 23, 2003, at 10:25 am and 11:50 am. These recordings are found in the MP3 file in the folder on Ex. H labeled in part Folder 1.

11. I have accurately transcribed the recording of the 10:25 am message as follows:

Hi Glenn, this is Danny Shelton. Uh, I was wanting to talking to you for a few minutes, if I could. I’m leaving though in about an hour. It’s 10:25 I think I’m, A.M. on Friday. I’m leaving in about an hour for Canada, uh, for tomorrow and tomorrow night, but I’ll be back, uh, over the weekend.

I want to talk to you a little bit about a letter that I found that, that didn’t have a signature but uh, anyway, they said you put it together.

And I wanted to talk to you about this bill that you’re saying been introduced that the governor’s going to sign. I’ve done homework on it. I’ve put an attorney to see about the statute of limitations, and basically [clears throat] what happens if the statutes run out it does not go back [clears throat] any, any [clears throat] excuse me, any person that’s over 28 years of age, uh, cannot the statute of limitations run out. It will not go back. If the statutes of limitations, is what I want to tell you, has run out already, which it has in this case, you can’t go back.
 
This is only if somebody, say it’s been 8 years, uh, since it of been happened, uh, then that will be stretched to 20 years. But if the 10 years is already passed, in this case which it has, uh, then that statute left, the new bill does not affect that.

I’ve got this through an attorney who went through not only the state’s attorney that didn’t know but the, the uh appellate courts and all the way to the state level. And I thought you should know that because for you to be putting out some of these letters that you’re putting out, you might want to be careful what, what you’re putting out or what you’re saying, and that you don’t [clears throat] bring reproach, uh, against yourself, ah, for not giving factual information. But anyway, you want to call me you can call me at, uh, ***-****. Thanks.


12. I have accurately transcribed the recording of the 11:50 am message as follows:

Hi Glenn. This is, uh, Danny Shelton again. I’m headed off uh, uh, to Canada, but I wanted to give another message.

Someone since I just left my last message brought me a letter that you have written to people in the church, uh, somewhere that you thought Tommy may be going, and you say that he has molested 6, uh, boys, uh, in that church.

And, I think you really need to be careful about that, because you’re setting yourself up for, to be liable actually, because there has been no charges, and that there’s been, there has been no, been, there has been no, uh, charges formally made, there’s never been admitted to, there’s been nothing.

I’ve talked to an attorney about it, and what you really should say is there have been some accusations against him, or allegedly he has done this. But when you set yourself in writing as you did, uhm, I just think for your own sake you need to be careful about that.

Uh, because what you say is very powerful. People look to you as you know, uh, as a pastor. So that’s one of your complaints, uh, about uh Tommy.

So you want to make sure that your own, it seems to me, that you want to make sure that ch[] safe waters yourself, and that you’re very, very careful of what you say and not to get yourself, ah, in a position that ruins your credibility.

So I’m just saying this, I’m willing to talk to you about it some [] talk to me. Thanks. Bye.


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I have heard these recordings of Dan's threats.  Sad.





Edit note:  No, Bob did not include the little smilies in his court filing.  Those are a result of the forum software that automatically turns three question marks into the "huh?" smiley!!

I should have posted this in the "Is Danny admitting to Tommy's guilt?" thread.  I see that Bob has copied it to that thread - thank you!!