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[Cindy]

I think you may want to go back and reread what was said and by whom, and even what was said. You seem to me to have some things wrong in your reply.

But as far as this statement goes
"The thing I found unsettling about the accusations against Linda is that everything that happened or is still happening was said to be her fault.  She seemed to be the scapegoat for everything bad or questionable that happened at 3ABN."

I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to whether in the past or now. I do personally believe her own wrong choices led to her own troubles but I have no idea how Linda has been blamed for every thing bad or questionable at 3abn or even what those things even are, and how she was involved.

Again I think you may be mis-attributing things. Really look around here and at all the threads and posts, it is Danny I see being blamed and accused NOT Linda and it's gone on for years from the group of Linda supporters and defenders. Yes, that I lay at her feet also with no apologies for that.

Sorry to disagree with you...

laters...

You and I might indeed differ about how it started. A preacher I know of was gossiped about. The rumor was out that he had been married before and I believe they said he had a divorce. He had never been married before and of course wasn't divorced. He said it was very hard to track the rumor down enough to find out where it started so he could understand why anyone would even think so and so he could attempt to straighten them out.

I once was gossiped about. People would deny it to my face but talk about me behind my back and it wasn't true. How can you defend against that?

The thing I found unsettling about the accusations against Linda is that everything that happened or is still happening was said to be her fault. She seemed to be the scapegoat for everything bad or questionable that happened at 3ABN. I can't believe that she is evil as you said, or that she positioned herself to be the victim and that she is clever like a fox. It is rarely the case that one sets themselves up to be publicly humiliated, scorned and blamed in Adventist circles as she has been. Unlikely that anyone would deliberately put themself in that position.

Edited to finish my chain of thought.

[childoftheking]

When this thing started I was very pro 3ABN and inclined to think that there was merely a misunderstanding between Linda and Danny. I felt that he had mistaken her independence for rebellion and that he became jealous that another might have as much or more influence on her than he did. I felt that his jealousy had made him over react and that Linda had taken offense at his orders and had become more determined not to be dictated to. From the first my husband who had always been jealous of me said that though he himself understood Danny's feelings "He (Danny) is making a big mistake."

When Brandy came along, I thought she might be a gold digger and that Danny was "on the rebound" and wanted a cute girlfriend or wife so he could say "So there! Two can play at this game." I felt that if Danny's friend and Linda's friend would disappear the two of them might be able to work it out.

I no longer feel that way. I quit feeling that way a long time ago. On the various forums Danny's supporters indicated that those of us who had questions about what had happened or what was happening at 3ABN were "On Linda's side or were "Linda's supporters". We were accused of trying to bring down 3ABN or trying to put Linda back in. Not just on this site but on others. Some perhaps do feel this way. That is not how I feel. That was not and is not my motive. And it is not the motive of everybody who was asking or investigating. I was accused of lying or being biased when I specificly was trying to find out what the truth of the matter was. In trying to find out who was telling the truth about 3ABN I found out a lot of things on my own. Not just because others investigated and then I believed what they had found and not because I believed their testimony. But mostly from court cases and legal papers and from the words and actions of those defending 3ABN. You would be surprised how much is public record available to anyone who will take the time to check the facts. I felt that people on both sides but mainly on Danny's were taking what was claimed without checking to find out what was true. So much of this information was said to come from Linda when I knew where it came from and it wasn't from her at all.

Maybe I should have said that not just Linda but Linda (and her so called followers who are not all really her followers) have been blamed for everything.

[tinka]

 Adultery was not an issue which entered into the decision of the 3ABN board to remove her from the board or to terminate her employment.

I call this a direct statement and it has my attention as someone stating what they believe is a true fact and close to the situation.

Now in order to make this statement it applies to one knowing the exact truth or leading it away from other hidden facts on way or the other.

So, even though the statement of not firing because of adultery as you claim and your claim of LS forcing the issue in the manner she did to be "crazy as a fox". The question is for a direct repy of all knowing what the board was having difficulty for some other reason as you emplied.. Then what was the reason if not what you claim??

Accusations? or what was the cause other then your direct statememt of adultery not the issue.. a direct answer should be clear and not withheld as a witness that comes forth with truth. 

What you have done here is send a link to show all evangelists that will appear at 3abn evidently because they uphold your theory of actual happening evidently. 

As I looked at your link --it is still beyond me, why the evangelists are with a self proclaimed off shoot of non denominational and denial of affiliation with SDA church and the minglers presence there causing SDA real members contributing to the 3abn company. I do not go along this this manuvering what so ever. I feel they are helping this fraud out quite a bit. Tell me this is not what is happening. Our evangelists having the continuation of pew money sent for 3abn with their denial of credentials.  I also realize that our Evangelists draw from SDA members SDA church so what is going on here?  Are SDA GC so corrupt that the money cannot go their either??? I really do not know next question either. Is Hope Channel and 3abn connected somehow? I feel you should know that too. I orginally understood that Hope was now of the SDA church on their own and yet some programing comes from 3abn as it sometimes states. 

[Bob Pickle]

Adultery was not an issue which entered into the decision of the 3ABN board to remove her from the board or to terminate her employment.

How would you know? Were you there?

By April 27, 2004, after Linda hid Danny's gun, Danny decided to end their relationship. He then wrote Alyssa on April 28 about his decision, citing alleged spiritual adultery, and wrote up an offer to buy Lida's half of the house on April 29.

See Danny's April 28 letter to Alyssa at http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-114-21.pdf. Read particularly pages 3-4, and how Danny says he's telling Walt, and refers to "this sin" and the 3ABN Board. Can you honestly say that Danny's allegations of spiritual adultery had nothing whatsoever to do with Linda's termination?

[Bob Pickle]

Excerpt from a private letter written by the 3ABN chairman of the board explaining what Linda was fired for.

... She was correctly quoting a portion of my statement to Johann, but what she did not bother to say is that I was defending 3ABN against an accusation that we had fired her for adultery. I was merely telling him that it was for defiance of her board that she was let go, not because of adultery, an accusation, it is true, I never stated.

First of all, Walt is an unreliable source of information.

Second, I personally asked Walt if there were any board meetings between April 27, 2004, and the one after the May camp meeting. He told me there were none.

Third, in Danny's April 28, 2004, letter to Alyssa linked above, Danny at the bottom of page 3 admits that the entire board had not yet dealt with the issue.

THEREFORE, Linda had never defied the board, because the board had never given her any ultimatums.

HOWEVER, Danny allegedly defied the board more than once and was never terminated, so defying the board may not be that big a deal to the 3ABN Board.

[Bob Pickle]

But as far as this statement goes
"The thing I found unsettling about the accusations against Linda is that everything that happened or is still happening was said to be her fault.  She seemed to be the scapegoat for everything bad or questionable that happened at 3ABN."

I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to whether in the past or now.

I recall both John Lomacang and Danny Shelton singing that song. But there was simply no way that that could be true, that everything was Linda's fault and the fault of her alleged supporters.

[Pat Williams]

 Adultery was not an issue which entered into the decision of the 3ABN board to remove her from the board or to terminate her employment.

I call this a direct statement and it has my attention as someone stating what they believe is a true fact and close to the situation.

That's because it is a true statement, and it has never been a secret, A quote was provided in this thread and it was from the Chairman of the 3ABN board of trustees stating exactly why she was fired. He certainly knows why they fired her! The entire board knows why they fired her as they all voted to. They have no reason to lie about it not being for adultery, think about it Tinka. Doesn't a ministry have cause to remove someone from their position if the issue is adultery? Especially if it's a leadership position? Yes they do, you know that. So, if that was the reason 3ABN would have just said so.


They wouldn't even have had to prove it to anyone else as a conference President sits on the board of 3ABN always to ensure that there is accountability even though 3ABN is an independent adventist ministry, meaning they are not owned or controlled by the SDA Conference but support the  SDA conference and work with them.

If your church disciplines a member for adultery it's done by the church and is private. Joe Blow off the street or from another Church doesn't have any right to come in demanding to see the evidence. Joe blow doesn't have the right to come in a demand to see the proof and evidence  from a board meeting of a non profit organization either.

They met, went over all the evidence and events leading up to that time and fired her for her "defiance of the board"

And they have said that all along, to Linda and anyone else who asked.

For example the quote which was already posted here, from the Chairman of the 3ABN board:

It simply could not continue the way things were going. Though I and the board did not get involved in the marriage, we were very much concerned about the ministry. All the while, this was taking a real toll on the ministry. Work was not getting done. The employees were pulled in both directions... Linda said on her web site recently that I had told Johann a year before that I had never accused her of adultery. She was correctly quoting a portion of my statement to Johann, but what she did not bother to say is that I was defending 3ABN against an accusation that we had fired her for adultery. I was merely telling him that it was for defiance of her board that she was let go, not because of adultery, an accusation, it is true, I never stated. As you can see from the few things I have included here, we have had ample evidence to suggest adultery, but it is true, we have not seen the two of them in bed together.

You can read his whole letter here:
http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/wt-answering-questions.html

The truth is no one has a right to believe or claim the board lied about why they fired her unless they can prove it.

Yes I know Linda claims she was fired for adultery. Perhaps that is because then she can claim I am innocent, I was fired unjustly! And a whole lot of people have heard this and believe it and have got very upset about it. It's a downright crying shame.

On the other hand she can't claim she was unjustly fired for defiance of the board, which is what she was fired for.  She was sent a letter and ultimatum after this all went on for months and it was causing problems with work not getting done and employees being torn in one way or the other, after the Board chairman decided things couldn't go on that way for the wellbeing of the ministry. He appointed a fact finding group to looked into it all, as was his duty according to 3ABN's by laws, and then they reported to the entire 3ABN board. She refused to comply with the conditions of her continuing employment and refused to even answer. Further she refused to even come to the board meeting where it was all to be discussed and decided. She merely sent a letter still defying them. The 3ABN board went over all, including her letter and decided they had no choice but to let her go. She made her own choice, Tinka.

That's all I can tell you, so accept it, or don't.

[tinka]

Thank you for comments and link.  I read all that before but wonder on several statements.  It does not make clear what you are referring to for LS job on the set. Would the discrepancies against board be difference in SDA doctrinal policy? It seemingly says all the workere were being pulled apart in all directions, (that could mean lack or organization in programming or who is telling truth about facts between marriage).

I can't seem to find the answer when it is not spelled out the reason she defied the board unless it pertained to the accusations first and therefore reacted against them as the accusations would have to come from DS and all that he presented to board to prove his side. But you still tend to sound that their was other reasons that the board was in defiance by LS. also it is not clarified what she meant about DS staying out of her affairs. One could take that as the saga goes that her son was not DS affairs because of his remarks. I believe a lot could be clarified to outsiders in these matters. All DS actions thereafter seem very very odd expecially with choice of another and who he married.

But you are mostly letting on that the firing is caused by an adverse way of job performing before any of this??  One thing for sure that I do believe and if she did not put out the letter explaining it would never have been stated because of all other pertinent info on the rest of situations with Shelton family that has been discovered.

[Johann]

I find it amusing how they are still holding on to that weak straw as if their existence depended on it. All the letters Danny Shelton wrote to me during that period demonstrate how he constantly changed his explanation as he fumbled in the dark when shown he was not telling the truth. Later, when all other explanations failed they came up with what these people are trying to make us believe now with the documents being posted today and yesterday.

Why are they so scared just now? What has happened?

[Bob Pickle]

Danny_Defender,

You didn't address the specific points I made. Could you do so?

Remember, Linda could not have been fired for defying the board if she never was given an opportunity to0 defy the board.

You mention the board going over all the evidence. Evidence of what? The conference president told me he had seen video. Video of what? Of Linda defying the board? Hardly.

[tinka]

3abn defender,

You made your case ,you gave your side , I for the first time read the first letter to LS. I read it all & first time for some others and I still cannot believe what I read and the board did a thing like this-- to read this inhuman arrogant degree of guilty, sealed, signed, butchered and delivered back to a group of inhuman judges led by what some claim to say that DS is the most powerful man in the business. Then at the end of posts ASI stating that all would be paid by 3abn for all the meeting, comments and decisions rendered by them under the most gallant agreement of DS. This is worse then I could even imagine. I was getting bits and pieces here and there with all documents. But the letters from the board, J. Lomacane is not even American in what has been done here. Yes, the letter was a damaging claim of unproven accusations. She was actually let go for accusations, no other way out other then to admit guilt and ask for repentence by "Stoners". I cannot be on here as it makes me too angry.

I really believe that when God says his church will be first in line for judgement , He already gave the test for minglers and denial of credentials in a very big panoramic test.

I know first hand what people of the church are capable of and would love to give horrible experiences made public.

To then back someone in a corner with the threat of losing  her home and all the threats that were in that letter written before proof or in right circumstances will definitely be "cohersion" to pay money to shut her mouth and all that malarkey. Like giving a drop of water to a dyin duck.

If LS was guilty and all this true let a jury do the proving and then all would have been believable, exceptable and non confusing--all this should not even be said in that letter until a court of law had proven facts. It was all staged by the producer.  In fact at this moment I firmly believe this needs to be heard in a court of law and possibly justice will come there instead of expecting it from the SDA church.  I cannot believe this. If I would have got that first letter and thought myself innocent. I would have held the money aside and went and Sued them for this "Entrapment" of guilt and used the money to do it.  Better justice would come from public jury. I totally would have taken the stance of Bob and Gailon after reading that malarkey on ASI and there rules that came from none other the the "money holder that would pay them for all their time, meetings etc,etc,etc,".    feed  Talk about being angry. It brings up old unjustified wounds of fraud and corruption from the same kind of people in our neck of the wood.
I must say the board and their input was as if they were..puppets! You admitted you really did not see them in bed. But Danny is at the helm. yet! until......finished. Truth will prevail but not the way the board went about it. That was corrupt.

[Pat Williams]

The documents in the new thread, *********************************************** were posted specifically in response to posts here in this thread by childoftheking who claims to want to investigate all and just know the truth, and for Tinka , who wants to know what is documented and known, and read that.

I am not going to argue with your opinions, (or your very revealing laughter in response to that childoftheking. Henceforth I will not take your claims seriously) You are all responsible for what you do with the information and whether you accept or don't accept it.

I do want to clarify a few things here due to childoftheking's post. The group referred to in this thread as Linda's supporters and defenders who are at the root of all the gossip, slander and attacks against DS and 3ABN is a small core group.  In archiving all of the posts from the first ones made on Club Adventist about LS and DS, and then 3ABN to the last ones made on Blacksda in the 3ABN section, they are revealed and identified. Neither I or anyone else can out them here as it would not be allowed so I am only saying that to explain that that reference does not include those who have joined in along the way in attacking and misjudging DS or 3ABN. Those we consider victims. If you were falsely criticized or attacked I can only apologise, but it is very hard to take seriously your claim that "On the various forums Danny's supporters indicated that those of us who had questions about what had happened or what was happening at 3ABN were "On Linda's side or were "Linda's supporters". We were accused of trying to bring down 3ABN or trying to put Linda back in. Not just on this site but on others"  precisely because we do have all the forums and posts archived, so I know what they all say. I suggest that the next time you make any such claims you document them and give examples of what you are talking about.

I have said all that I am going to say on this topic.

God bless.



Edited to remove inappropriate content.

[Bob Pickle]

I have said all that I am going to say on this topic.

Therefore it is crystal clear that you know that it is a lie that Linda was fired for defying the board, since the board did not meet between January and the end of May. If you knew otherwise, then you would have had no problem answering my question.

If you were falsely criticized or attacked I can only apologise, but it is very hard to take seriously your claim that "On the various forums Danny's supporters indicated that those of us who had questions about what had happened or what was happening at 3ABN were "On Linda's side or were "Linda's supporters". We were accused of trying to bring down 3ABN or trying to put Linda back in. Not just on this site but on others"  precisely because we do have all the forums and posts archived, so I know what they all say. I suggest that the next time you make any such claims you document them and give examples of what you are talking about.

Here is a selection from my Dec. 9, 2006, reply to an email sent from Danny's email account:

"You can believe Gailon and Linda if you choose. But I know first hand about their lies they have told. Barb Kerr just wrote me and told me that Gailon is voicing that he has uncovered at least 8-10 affairs that I have had since I married Linda.  God knows and I know that is lie.  There has never been one!"

For the record, I am basing what I believe to be fact upon what Danny, Dr. Thompson, Hal and Mollie Steenson, John Lomacang, Melody Firestone, and the O'Briens have said.

As far as how many affairs Gailon said that Danny has had, Gailon's actual wording in his email of Nov. 26 states that Danny has had "inappropriate relationships," not "affairs." I would very much appreciate Danny writing back and stating unequivocally that he has not had one single inappropriate relationship in the last 22 years.

Now why in the world would Danny (or whoever wrote the email for him) accuse me of getting my information from Gailon and Linda when he knew full well that that was not the case?

And Sam on this forum just accused me of trying to destroy 3ABN because of my concern over the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton:

ANSWER: His tireless quest to try and bring down Danny Shelton and 3ABN.

How much documentation do you need?

I do recall Greg Thompson on BSDA make this sort of claim too, and I do recall being falsely accused of being one of Linda's supporters.

[childoftheking]

(or your very revealing laughter in response to that childoftheking.

I believe the very revealing laughter was posted by someone else not me. 3ABN_Defender I was not asking you for material to help me investigate. I was stating how I felt back in the beginning when the rumors about Linda started. I said that I no longer felt the way I did in the beginning. The reason I don't is because I have investigated neutral and disinterested sources. Court documents, filings and so forth. I have long ago seen your material. Seeing it again doesn't help. You hurt your case.