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[GrandmaNettie]

A discussion had begun on the Dear Friends of Barbara Kerr thread that was halted due to being off topic.  I believe it bears further discussion.

On the Dear Friends of Barbara Kerr thread, Fran made the following post:

How did we get from Barbara Kerr to Linda?  It is by the leading of 3ABN posters.  It seems to me that no matter what has happened, the blame goes to Linda.  I, for one, wonder how she can get up and face the world with a smile.

Evidence is every where that Linda was condemned in the public arena.  Linda has never made a bad statement about Danny except about his affair with Brenda.

Do I care if he committed Adultery?  Only in that he has crucified Linda for 4 years with not one retort from Linda.

Do I care if Linda committed adultery?  No.  What I consider evil is the way 3ABN has abused Linda for something she did not do.  I will never believe she committed adultery unless she says so!

Anything forthcoming against Linda, I will consider it to be fabricated and will not be able to believe it.  It will be just more of the same.  There is no proof; just hearsay from Brenda, who I believe was the other woman.

Danny should have announced that he and Linda had decided to divorce, period.  But Danny had to make her the evil one instead of him for his infidelity.  Now after 4 years of building a lie, it is supposed to be gospel.  Not as far as I am concerned.

This is just another hijacking of another thread.  It is so tiring.  I am tired of all the evil surmising of the last 4 years.  All being after the fact.

Then, Artiste made the following post:

Since Linda is not on this forum to defend herself...

I will just say this.  According to the accounts of several people who were there, Linda was not only the innocent one in the marraige breakup, she was also by far the last one to know about Danny Shelton's and Brenda Walsh's affair.

 
Fran, can you clarify or document how you learned or where you heard that Linda talked about Danny having an affair with Brenda?  Was it from Linda herself or from a witness you deem credible?

Artiste, can you clarify or document why "the accounts of several people who were there" should be more credible than Fran's information? 

Is there a discrepancy here between what Fran posted and what Artiste claims?

Could they both be right? 

Is all of it speculation and hearsay?

Thoughts?  Facts?

[Emma]

As one who has no direct knowledge of the whole 3ABN saga, I am answering the questions here by my thoughts -

"Is there a discrepancy here between what Fran posted and what Artiste claims?

Could they both be right? 

Is all of it speculation and hearsay?

Thoughts?  Facts?"


I have no knowledge whether either or both Fran and Artiste are right or wrong.   But I would state that logically,  I do not see their statements as mutually exclusive - Linda could still have been the last to know whatever was happening and later said something about that happening.   I do not see Fran's statement contradicted by 'the accounts of several people who were there'.

I am sure I will be told if my logic is seen as skewed.

[Habanero]

Why don't we just take this whole shennanigan to Jerry Springer and let it be sorted out properly. Is there any public forum more qualified? I don't think so. Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

A couple gets divorced, there are accusations of affairs from both sides, there is blustering and puffing up of chests - promises of exposing evidence, suits are filed, threats are made, and SO WHAT! What is it to anyone? How many of these happen every day?!

"Oh, this is different. It's the Lord's work. It must be defended from those evil doers on the other side who say that the hero on my side is the one who had the affair. Save the Lord's work and defend it from those scoundrels."

A couple of generations from now no one will remember anything about this, or care that it ever happened. This is one of those tiny little blips on the screen of human history that will disappear forever in a few short years because it is insignificant to the continuance of life. Danny is about as important to life on earth as the splinter I got in my finger today. So is Linda. Is there life outside of them and their squables? Ummm... yeah!!!!

[Fair Havens]

Ebb and flow, ebb and flow,
Where e'er the wind may please...
(Sung to tune of Sweet and Low)

Ah, for Gailon the consistent.
 

[Sam]

A discussion had begun on the Dear Friends of Barbara Kerr thread that was halted due to being off topic.  I believe it bears further discussion.

On the Dear Friends of Barbara Kerr thread, Fran made the following post:

How did we get from Barbara Kerr to Linda?  It is by the leading of 3ABN posters.  It seems to me that no matter what has happened, the blame goes to Linda.  I, for one, wonder how she can get up and face the world with a smile.

Evidence is every where that Linda was condemned in the public arena.  Linda has never made a bad statement about Danny except about his affair with Brenda.

Do I care if he committed Adultery?  Only in that he has crucified Linda for 4 years with not one retort from Linda.

Do I care if Linda committed adultery?  No.  What I consider evil is the way 3ABN has abused Linda for something she did not do.  I will never believe she committed adultery unless she says so!

Anything forthcoming against Linda, I will consider it to be fabricated and will not be able to believe it.  It will be just more of the same.  There is no proof; just hearsay from Brenda, who I believe was the other woman.

Danny should have announced that he and Linda had decided to divorce, period.  But Danny had to make her the evil one instead of him for his infidelity.  Now after 4 years of building a lie, it is supposed to be gospel.  Not as far as I am concerned.

This is just another hijacking of another thread.  It is so tiring.  I am tired of all the evil surmising of the last 4 years.  All being after the fact.

Then, Artiste made the following post:

Since Linda is not on this forum to defend herself...

I will just say this.  According to the accounts of several people who were there, Linda was not only the innocent one in the marraige breakup, she was also by far the last one to know about Danny Shelton's and Brenda Walsh's affair.

 
Fran, can you clarify or document how you learned or where you heard that Linda talked about Danny having an affair with Brenda?  Was it from Linda herself or from a witness you deem credible?

Artiste, can you clarify or document why "the accounts of several people who were there" should be more credible than Fran's information? 

Is there a discrepancy here between what Fran posted and what Artiste claims?

Could they both be right? 

Is all of it speculation and hearsay?

Thoughts?  Facts?

No one in or around 3abn gives credence to these claims and that includes those that could care less about Danny.  In fact I have heard it laughed about.  Even Brenda's husband knows it is ludicrous.  How odd that those claims only surfaced after Linda's troubles became public.  There wasn't one accusation up to that point.  I have talked with Brenda W. personally and she has been nauseated by these sick and untrue rumors. She told me she and Danny have known one another most of their lives and their families had intermingled through the years of growing up.  She also knows this rumor only surfaced after her conscience pushed her to "come clean" about circumstances that Linda was involved in.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.  In fact after 4 years there has not been anyone who was a witness or could substantiate this allegation.  If it were true you can bet someone, somewhere would have seen something.

So Fran, when you are deposed and your statements about Danny and Brenda are called into question (and it will be) what evidence will you provide to prove your allegation?  At this point you surely wouldn't make such a defamatory statement without proof?

So Artiste, the fact that you are throwing out the same allegations as Fran is rather shocking considering all of your own legal problems, but, regardless, when you are deposed and your statements about Danny and Brenda are called into question (and it will be) what evidence will you provide to prove your allegation?  At this point you surely wouldn't make such a defamatory statement without proof knowing you could be held accountable in a court of law? That would not look good on an already, less than perfect, record.

[ex3abnemployee]

No one in or around 3abn gives credence to these claims and that includes those that could care less about Danny.  In fact I have heard it laughed about.  Even Brenda's husband knows it is ludicrous.  How odd that those claims only surfaced after Linda's troubles became public.  There wasn't one accusation up to that point.  I have talked with Brenda W. personally and she has been nauseated by these sick and untrue rumors. She told me she and Danny have known one another most of their lives and their families had intermingled through the years of growing up.  She also knows this rumor only surfaced after her conscience pushed her to "come clean" about circumstances that Linda was involved in.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.  In fact after 4 years there has not been anyone who was a witness or could substantiate this allegation.  If it were true you can bet someone, somewhere would have seen something.

So Fran, when you are deposed and your statements about Danny and Brenda are called into question (and it will be) what evidence will you provide to prove your allegation?  At this point you surely wouldn't make such a defamatory statement without proof?

So Artiste, the fact that you are throwing out the same allegations as Fran is rather shocking considering all of your own legal problems, but, regardless, when you are deposed and your statements about Danny and Brenda are called into question (and it will be) what evidence will you provide to prove your allegation?  At this point you surely wouldn't make such a defamatory statement without proof knowing you could be held accountable in a court of law? That would not look good on an already, less than perfect, record.

What a cheap shot.

[Habanero]

What a cheap shot.

Would you expect anything less from that sort, Duane?

[bonnie]

So Artiste, the fact that you are throwing out the same allegations as Fran is rather shocking considering all of your own legal problems, but, regardless, when you are deposed and your statements about Danny and Brenda are called into question (and it will be) what evidence will you provide to prove your allegation?  At this point you surely wouldn't make such a defamatory statement without proof knowing you could be held accountable in a court of law? That would not look good on an already, less than perfect, record.

What a cheap shot.

One of the things I have never understood about any of this with 3ABN is the loose cannons that are carrying the water for them in this. I don't care how guilty or inncoent 3ABN is,many of you are raising the sleeze factor mighty high.
What possible motive is there for bringing anyone else's legal business into this discussion, unless of course, let us again focus on someone else and we will all forget the original.

I am glad my son had the legal counsel he did and did not have to rely on or condone something as sleezy as has gone on with this whole mess.

It is enough of a mess without seeing how far down you can reach.

[Snoopy]

Sounds to me like Sam has such a high opinion of himself that he would be one of those who could "cast the first stone".  WOW.  I think we all should be honored, to have one so flawless in our midst...

[GrandmaNettie]

There are so many "first stones" scattered around this forum that it's amazing all aren't broken and bleeding.

I do suppose it's a matter of perspective though.... one person's stones are another person's gold nuggets.  Guess what the rock looks like depends on which "side" the caster stands.

Sad.

[Snoopy]

Yes, very, very sad.

[Fran]

Christ's actions.

Many years ago there was a man named Jesus.  He was a perfect child, which caused many to hate him.  He grew and finally went about His Father’s business.  This caused a great big stink and many said bad words about him.  They accused Him of many things.  Jesus did not retaliate.  As time passed, others realized This man was too powerful.  He never lied or caused pain to others.  In fact he spent many hours in prayer to his Father and helping others.   He even raised the dead and changed so many lives. 

Jesus started a new religion so to speak.  He wanted the Good News of his life and the prophecies of his final return to take his followers home to be with him.     
                                                                                                                                                                                               
 Never did he sue anyone.  Never did he even answer all the allegations against him.  He let His life speak for Him.

Then one day, he was taken to court and sentenced to death.  Even though Pilate said he found no guile in This man, off he went to Calvary to die for OUR sins.  He was beaten all the way.  He bled the blood that we should have bled!  But, He did not retaliate.

In fact, right before He died for our sins, he said, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing.”

Time passed, and many followers took up Christ’s cross and started ministries.  Along the way, somehow, they left the path of forgiveness and started suing many people.  They forgot to be like Christ.  Instead they decided to talk very bad about their wives and the people that told the truth about them.  They would not forgive, but only condemned others.  Every time someone called them on their actions, they set out to sue & destroy those people.

Many people knew these ministry sinners were full of sin, but decided to allow their sinfulness for the “greater good.”  These bad ministries claimed to be anointed and having no sin.  They said the others were lying, but they were really telling the truth.  Even other ministries backed these sinful ministries!  They preached about obeying the Ten Commandments from God, but looked the other way to protect their own personal gain.  They too, lost their credibility and the Light from the Cross.

Many people followed these sinful leaders for personal Gain.  Somewhere, things went very wrong.  People suffered greatly at the hands of those sinful ministries.  Everyone just told those hurting to just chalk it up to a bad experience, and to shut up and go away.  One ministry has continued to try to destroy one person in particular for 4 years.  This person has a ministry of Christ and stays close to the Savior.  Yet this ministry continues, after 4 years, to crucify the Christ Like one on another cross.

Just as it was in Jesus’ time, many are closing their mouths and just going away.  They can’t afford to be sued by a person with ubiquitous cash.  The cause of Christ has been harmed and people have lost their way.

Who will answer for all of the ones crucified by these ministries?  One day the prophecies will come true.  Jesus will return.  These sinful ministries will cry out that they have been faithful and have preached the Word.  Jesus will look at them and say, “I know you not!”

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I have talked with Brenda W. personally and she has been nauseated by these sick and untrue rumors. She told me she and Danny have known one another most of their lives and their families had intermingled through the years of growing up.  She also knows this rumor only surfaced after her conscience pushed her to "come clean" about circumstances that Linda was involved in.  Coincidence? 

SAM,
get out your tape recorder and have Brenda give us her latest story so we can compare it to all those stories she told before her "conscience pushed her to come clean" with the dirt...on Linda of course.

I would say she has been well rewarded for her "come clean" decision and it sure is a coincidence, don't you think so? In fact, the wilder the story gets, the more she reaps!!!

I know it is useless asking SAM for evidence, but worth the try. Looking forward to the transcription of the latest Brenda Dirt on Linda!!! Tell her to make it good because I really want to publish it!!! Right next to the other three I have...and still looking for a match!!!

Can we say, FACTUALLY CHALLENGED???

Gailon Arthur Joy