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Author Topic: D. T. Bourdeau in Dec. 1862 RH on 1 Cor. 14:34 & 1 Tim. 2:12  (Read 6187 times)

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D. T. Bourdeau in Dec. 1862 RH on 1 Cor. 14:34 & 1 Tim. 2:12
« on: August 03, 2012, 05:53:29 AM »

Quote from: D. T. Bourdeau in RH Dec. 2, 1862
   
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OBJ. 3. The visions teach that it is the duty of women to speak in public; but Paul says, “Let your women keep silence in the churches.” “I suffer not a woman to teach.” 1 Corinthians 14:34; 1 Timothy 2:12.

ANS. If the injunction, “Let your women keep silence in the churches,” admits of no qualification, then women should not even sing or pray in religious meetings. But if our sisters refrained from singing in the assemblies of the saints, they would deprive themselves of a privilege which holy women of old enjoyed, and which the gospel grants to the Christian church. Moses’ sister and other women sung to the Lord, because he had delivered the Israelites from Pharaoh and his host. Exodus 14. “And God gave to Heman fourteen sons and three daughters. And all these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the Lord.” 1 Chronicles 25:5, 6. “And in the days of Ezra there were among the servants and maids of the congregation, two hundred singing men and singing women.” Ezra 2:10. See also Nehemiah 7:67.

Again, Paul says to the church of Colosse, which was composed of men and women, “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” Colossians 3:16. It is very evident that those in whom the word of Christ dwells richly in all wisdom, will not forbid the sisters to sing in the church. To do this would be placing upon them a yoke which the Lord never required them to bear.

We understand that Paul’s injunction in regard to women is qualified, or limited in its sense, by the scope of declarations in which it is used. In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul dwells on the nature and exercise of the gift of prophecy, and the gift of tongues: and in the latter part of the chapter he thus speaks in regard to prophets: “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If anything be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion (Greek, tumult or unquietness) but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” Verses 29-33.

In these verses the principles of order and submission are brought to view. Then follows our text, in which the same principles are carried out: “Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted for them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”

It is no more lawful for women to manifest a lack of subjection to those who speak according to the dictates of the Spirit and the teachings of God’s word, than it is for men. In fact, they have an additional reason why they should be submissive. They are commanded to be under obedience, or in subjection, as also saith the law. “Women should be subject to their husbands and to their brethren in Christ, as Christ is subject to God the Father. For the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” 1 Corinthians 11:3. Read also Ephesians 5:21-24.

These remarks of the apostle are a standing rebuke against those unquiet and self-sufficient women who are unwilling to submit to their husbands in the Lord, and have a disposition to take the lead in meetings, in the presence of brethren who are qualified to rule the church. It is a shame for women to thus lead out. “If they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home.”

But in the same chapter we have an instance in which men should keep silence in the church. This is when they speak in an unknown tongue, and there is no interpreter. Verses 27, 28. But who will say that they may not sing and pray and exhort in their own tongue? Just so in the case before us. Women are commanded to keep silence in the churches; and who will take the position that they should never say a word in religious meetings?

Kindred to the text under consideration is 1 Timothy 2:9-13, which reads, “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety...... Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.”

Here again we have the idea of subjection. Paul does not suffer a woman to teach, or to usurp authority over the man; and we do not learn from the Scriptures that women were ever ordained apostles, evangelists, or elders; neither do we believe that they should teach as such. Yet they may act an important part in speaking the truth to others. That we are correct we think will appear from the following texts:

“Help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow-laborers, whose names are in the book of life.” Philippians 4:3. “Greet Priscilla (a woman) and Aquilla (her husband) my helpers in Christ Jesus.” Romans 16:3. “And he (Apollos) began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquilla and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.” Acts 18:2, 26. “The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness (or holy women margin), ..... teachers of good things.” Titus 2:3. “But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered, dishonoreth her head.” 1 Corinthians 11:5. It is clear that this praying and prophesying is before others. The very nature of the subject, and the connection, prove this. See verses 16-18, and chap 14:23-31.

Philip, the evangelist, had four daughters which did prophesy. Acts 21:8, 9. Now the work of a prophet may properly be called a public work. For a prophet is called upon to receive messages from the Lord, and deliver them vocally to the people. Please look at the history of the ancient prophets. “He that prophesieth,” says Paul, “speaketh unto men (plural) to edification, and exhortation, and comfort...... He that prophesieth, edifieth the church.” 1 Corinthians 14:3, 4.

But we have more testimony: Anna, a prophetess, served God with fastings and prayers night and day, and spoke of the Lord in the temple to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem. Luke 2. And Paul thus speaks to those who should see the day of Christ approaching: “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as ye see the day approaching.” Hebrews 10:25.

Thus we see that it is lawful for women to speak in meetings, and that our position in regard to the gift of prophecy that is among us, is not invalidated. Like the Sabbath, it survives all the attacks of those who would destroy it.

Many have written in favor of our position, and scores of Sabbath-keepers are prepared to use their pens in defense of the visions, and show that they are in harmony with the Bible. These productions have been a source of encouragement and consolation to thousands of Sabbath-keeping brethren and sisters, and have, in several instances, led unbelievers to embrace the truths of the Bible. The most pious and consecrated among us testify that they have been blessed under their influence; that the same influence that attended the word that converted them, attended the visions, and that their confidence in the visions is proportionate to the confidence they have in the Bible.

We have these productions which we consider as sacred, and before we consent to reject them, our opponents will have to present palpable proofs that they are spurious.

D. T. BOURDEAU.
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