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[Gregory]

O.K.  I just wanted clairfication as to your comment.  You havea clairfied it.  Thanks,
GM

[Johann]

To Avoid Misunderstanding

17 November 2011, St Albans, United Kingdom [tedNEWS] In order to avoid any misunderstanding in connection with the vote on Women in Leadership by the TED Executive Committee, on 16 November 2011, the Trans-European Division (TED) administration has issued the following statement:

"We wish to underline that the TED has not voted any changes in the GC/TED policies or model constitutions. The TED is granting unions permission to manage the matter of parity between male and female pastors on the basis of TED’s Guidelines for Commissioned Pastors as voted in the TED Executive Committee in 2009, based on consultations with the TED and an authorisation by the appropriate union governing body. The TED is not authorising ordination of women within its territory but is waiting for the General Conference to conduct its study of the theology of ordination."

The Trans-European Division Administration

[Artiste]

A very long time ago I came to the conclusion that "Credentials" whether by Ordination (the laying on of hands) or by Commission (the imperfect foundational creeping compromise) were meaningless in that zone just past the belt of Orion if it is not joindered by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

You sure got that right!!!!

Agreed!

[Daryl Fawcett]

If the church structure is as follows:  Local Church, Conference, Union, GC in which the NAD is a part of the GC, then how can any Division of the GC go against the GC as two Divisions seem to have done?

[Daryl Fawcett]

Why do I keep timing out in my Quick Reply posts?

[Gregory]

Because each Division is administered by a Division Committee.  The Division President, who  is a General Conference officer is only one voice.   It is a powerful  voice, but that voice is not all-powerful.  When the "crunch" comes the Division President may be able to "moderate" an action or proposal, but not totally do away with it.

Why?  Because EGW wrote against "kingly power" in very strong language.  That is something that our current GC President subscribes to.  He has a history of accepting the actions of committes with which he disagrees.  He  may attempt to establish committes that are constituted with people who are likely to agree with him.  But, he cannot always do that.  He accepts commitee decisions.

[Johann]

Because each Division is administered by a Division Committee.  The Division President, who  is a General Conference officer is only one voice.   It is a powerful  voice, but that voice is not all-powerful.  When the "crunch" comes the Division President may be able to "moderate" an action or proposal, but not totally do away with it.

Why?  Because EGW wrote against "kingly power" in very strong language.  That is something that our current GC President subscribes to.  He has a history of accepting the actions of committes with which he disagrees.  He  may attempt to establish committes that are constituted with people who are likely to agree with him.  But, he cannot always do that.  He accepts commitee decisions.

He is also known for making independent decisions under certain circumstances.

[Snoopy]

If the church structure is as follows:  Local Church, Conference, Union, GC in which the NAD is a part of the GC, then how can any Division of the GC go against the GC as two Divisions seem to have done?

I was told recently that it was just voted to give the divisions their own legal existence.  So wouldn't that add a legal level between unions and the GC?

[Johann]

If the church structure is as follows:  Local Church, Conference, Union, GC in which the NAD is a part of the GC, then how can any Division of the GC go against the GC as two Divisions seem to have done?

I was told recently that it was just voted to give the divisions their own legal existence.  So wouldn't that add a legal level between unions and the GC?

That explains quite a bit.

[Gregory]

I did not know that.

Yes, it would seem to establish the Division  on a seperat level.

[Johann]

I did not know that.

Yes, it would seem to establish the Division  on a seperat level.

There are constant changes all around us, even where we think all is solid!

[Johann]

General Vice President Pastor Artur Stele and Under-Treasurer Tom Evans attended the meetings as representatives from the Adventist World Church Headquarters, and to provide counsel.
. . .
Women in Leadership
Trans-European Division
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tedNEWS Staff: Miroslav Pujic, director; Deana Stojkovic, editor
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tedNEWS is an information bulletin issued by the communication department of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in the Trans-European Division.
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Date issued: 21 November 2011

[Gregory]

Just released by the Adventist Review on their website:

BY MIROSLAV PUJIC, Trans-European Division communication director

Seventh-day Adventist Church unions in the Trans-European Division, or TED, “can apply parity between male and female pastors” using current TED guidelines, division leaders voted November 14 during year-end meetings in Montenegro.

“We wish to underline that the TED has not voted any changes in the GC/TED policies or model constitutions,” a subsequent divisional statement said. “The TED is not authorizing ordination of women within its territory, but is waiting for the General Conference to conduct its study of the theology of ordination.”

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Bertil Wiklander, TED president, said: "What works best for the TED at this time is to let all know where we stand and what we want regarding women in leadership, while doing all we can to promote women as pastors and leaders in our church within the working policy. We will continue to work with our unions to see how we can support and enable the many women who the Holy Spirit has clearly called to leadership.”

                                                                 -- with Adventist Review staff, and reporting from Adventist News Network