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[Pat Williams]

 I don't guess I understand this. Are you saying that all of these quotes that my mother supposedly said came from Brad?

I didn't intend to post here further, but do not want you to labor under or be upset unnecessarily due to a misunderstanding, or because I posted in a way which was confusing. You may not accept it, but I care for you every bit as much as I care for your mom, your brother, and TS.

It is my understanding and belief that Sam has talked to your mom. It is also my understanding, and this I can testify to, that Brad only spoke in reply to what your "buddy" Adam posted here to all when asked about that,(and Brad said nothing else) and that none of what was posted came from your mom. You aren't the only one concerned about her, or your dad...

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie *****

You know this didn't come from your mom or Brad, and you know there are problems. Why make this worse? Why not just move ahead, do the right thing and not be offended. I would not even have said this but you do insist on pushing things. Trust is earned, and it can happen. Especially when love and a desire to trust is there and those involved take the high road. Try and keep that in mind for all things work together for good to those who love God and are the called, according to his purpose.

Edited to remove  inappropriate material

[Alex L. Walker]

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie {Edited to remove inappropriate content}.

Sorry, but I cannot respond to this under the advice of my attorneys because this will be rebutted in trial if it comes to that. I will say this I have no problem showing you my medical records.

I'm curious why you edited out? I have no problem with these accuasations being made public as I said they will be rebutted at trial.

[Pat Williams]

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie {Edited to remove inappropriate content}.

Sorry, but I cannot respond to this under the advice of my attorneys because this will be rebutted in trial if it comes to that. I will say this I have no problem showing you my medical records.

I'm curious why you edited out? I have no problem with these accuasations being made public as I said they will be rebutted at trial.

I understand and apologize if I spoke out of line. I have no idea what might be brought up in trial. I had no problems with what I posted either and can only say it was not me who did the editing.... I wish whoever did so would have left a edit note and name as it wouldn't be so confusing. I'm sorry for that also. If the powers that be delete, I am not complaining here.

[Adam]

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[Emma]

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie {Edited to remove inappropriate content}.

Sorry, but I cannot respond to this under the advice of my attorneys because this will be rebutted in trial if it comes to that. I will say this I have no problem showing you my medical records.

I'm curious why you edited out? I have no problem with these accuasations being made public as I said they will be rebutted at trial.

I understand and apologize if I spoke out of line. I have no idea what might be brought up in trial. I had no problems with what I posted either and can only say it was not me who did the editing.... I wish whoever did so would have left a edit note and name as it wouldn't be so confusing. I'm sorry for that also. If the powers that be delete, I am not complaining here.

The name of the moderator who did the editing and the time of the action appear at the bottom of the post which has been edited.

[Murcielago]

Its easy walk all over and continue the demolition of victims of clergy abuse, isn't it. One of the primary reasons that victims of child sexual abuse, clergy abuse, and rape so seldom come forward and report it, is that they know people like Pat Williams are out there waiting to further victimize them. They most often feel that it is better to suffer in silence than to put themselves at the mercy of this sort of person. And Pat Williams has certainly demonstrated that their fears are well founded.

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie {Edited to remove inappropriate content}.

Sorry, but I cannot respond to this under the advice of my attorneys because this will be rebutted in trial if it comes to that. I will say this I have no problem showing you my medical records.

I'm curious why you edited out? I have no problem with these accuasations being made public as I said they will be rebutted at trial.

I understand and apologize if I spoke out of line. I have no idea what might be brought up in trial. I had no problems with what I posted either and can only say it was not me who did the editing.... I wish whoever did so would have left a edit note and name as it wouldn't be so confusing. I'm sorry for that also. If the powers that be delete, I am not complaining here.

[Alex L. Walker]

 I don't guess I understand this. Are you saying that all of these quotes that my mother supposedly said came from Brad?

I didn't intend to post here further, but do not want you to labor under or be upset unnecessarily due to a misunderstanding, or because I posted in a way which was confusing. You may not accept it, but I care for you every bit as much as I care for your mom, your brother, and TS.

It is my understanding and belief that Sam has talked to your mom. It is also my understanding, and this I can testify to, that Brad only spoke in reply to what your "buddy" Adam posted here to all when asked about that,(and Brad said nothing else) and that none of what was posted came from your mom. You aren't the only one concerned about her, or your dad...

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie *****

You know this didn't come from your mom or Brad, and you know there are problems. Why make this worse? Why not just move ahead, do the right thing and not be offended. I would not even have said this but you do insist on pushing things. Trust is earned, and it can happen. Especially when love and a desire to trust is there and those involved take the high road. Try and keep that in mind for all things work together for good to those who love God and are the called, according to his purpose.

Edited to remove  inappropriate material

I take it that you are someone that I personally know by the first part of this post? I do appreciate your kind words I want that to be known. Second, all I can say about Brad is that he knows he called me and he knows the content of that conversation. That is up to him to deny it or admit it. But he and I know the truth on what he said to me. It is also true that it was documented.  I knew full well that there would be some that would not believe me. Don't think I didn't think about that, as my fears have came true.

[Pat Williams]

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie {Edited to remove inappropriate content}.

Sorry, but I cannot respond to this under the advice of my attorneys because this will be rebutted in trial if it comes to that. I will say this I have no problem showing you my medical records.

I'm curious why you edited out? I have no problem with these accuasations being made public as I said they will be rebutted at trial.

I understand and apologize if I spoke out of line. I have no idea what might be brought up in trial. I had no problems with what I posted either and can only say it was not me who did the editing.... I wish whoever did so would have left a edit note and name as it wouldn't be so confusing. I'm sorry for that also. If the powers that be delete, I am not complaining here.

The name of the moderator who did the editing and the time of the action appear at the bottom of the post which has been edited.

Thank you. I think we both knew that is normally the case. If you look at the time of our posts and the time of edit notes and action though, our confusion is easily understood. These things happen...

[Murcielago]

I edited twice, once for content, and once for formatting.

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie {Edited to remove inappropriate content}.

Sorry, but I cannot respond to this under the advice of my attorneys because this will be rebutted in trial if it comes to that. I will say this I have no problem showing you my medical records.

I'm curious why you edited out? I have no problem with these accuasations being made public as I said they will be rebutted at trial.

I understand and apologize if I spoke out of line. I have no idea what might be brought up in trial. I had no problems with what I posted either and can only say it was not me who did the editing.... I wish whoever did so would have left a edit note and name as it wouldn't be so confusing. I'm sorry for that also. If the powers that be delete, I am not complaining here.

The name of the moderator who did the editing and the time of the action appear at the bottom of the post which has been edited.

Thank you. I think we both knew that is normally the case. If you look at the time of our posts and the time of edit notes and action though, our confusion is easily understood. These things happen...

[Pat Williams]

 I don't guess I understand this. Are you saying that all of these quotes that my mother supposedly said came from Brad?

I didn't intend to post here further, but do not want you to labor under or be upset unnecessarily due to a misunderstanding, or because I posted in a way which was confusing. You may not accept it, but I care for you every bit as much as I care for your mom, your brother, and TS.

It is my understanding and belief that Sam has talked to your mom. It is also my understanding, and this I can testify to, that Brad only spoke in reply to what your "buddy" Adam posted here to all when asked about that,(and Brad said nothing else) and that none of what was posted came from your mom. You aren't the only one concerned about her, or your dad...

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie *****

You know this didn't come from your mom or Brad, and you know there are problems. Why make this worse? Why not just move ahead, do the right thing and not be offended. I would not even have said this but you do insist on pushing things. Trust is earned, and it can happen. Especially when love and a desire to trust is there and those involved take the high road. Try and keep that in mind for all things work together for good to those who love God and are the called, according to his purpose.

Edited to remove  inappropriate material

I take it that you are someone that I personally know by the first part of this post? I do appreiciate your kind words I want that to be known. Second, all I can say about Brad is that he knows he called me and he knows the content of that conversation. That is up to him to deny it or admit it. But he and I know the truth on what he said to me. It is also true that it was documented.  I knew full well that there would be some that would not believe me. Don't think I didn't think about that, as my fears have came true.

Alex, I also appreciate your not taking offense and your courteous reply here, and your understanding. That is rare here. I do understand how hard this is for you, and for others. I do believe your brother apologized to you, well really, what brother who loved his sibling wouldn't? I also am sorry you are going through all this, but I have to be honest, I am sorry that Tommy is going through all this too. We all need evidence and proof, and it'll come, so I am content to wait.It is my belief that all will be resolved, one day for all, and I don't intend to attack you from now until then so please don't be alarmed by me in the meantime. ( I said my piece) Maybe one day, you and I will stand beside one another and throw our crown at Jesus' feet, and sing that song that only His can sing, amazingly loud, and joyfull . A song which will raise the hairs on the necks of all who hear it, and echo and thunder throughout the universe and cause all of God's creation to join in and praise him and give him the glory. It makes me cry to think of it. That will be awesome, huh? I can't wait till then.

Peace...

[Johann]

Its easy walk all over and continue the demolition of victims of clergy abuse, isn't it. One of the primary reasons that victims of child sexual abuse, clergy abuse, and rape so seldom come forward and report it, is that they know people like Pat Williams are out there waiting to further victimize them. They most often feel that it is better to suffer in silence than to put themselves at the mercy of this sort of person. And Pat Williams has certainly demonstrated that their fears are well founded.

So true. For this reason I am locking this topic for a while.

I urge those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to do some meditation and prayer before proceeding.

[Johann]

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Alex, I also appreciate your not taking offense and your courteous reply here, and your understanding. That is rare here. I do understand how hard this is for you, and for others. I do believe your brother apologized to you, well really, what brother who loved his sibling wouldn't? I also am sorry you are going through all this, but I have to be honest, I am sorry that Tommy is going through all this too. We all need evidence and proof, and it'll come, so I am content to wait.It is my belief that all will be resolved, one day for all, and I don't intend to attack you from now until then so please don't be alarmed by me in the meantime. ( I said my piece) Maybe one day, you and I will stand beside one another and throw our crown at Jesus' feet, and sing that song that only His can sing, amazingly loud, and joyfull . A song which will raise the hairs on the necks of all who hear it, and echo and thunder throughout the universe and cause all of God's creation to join in and praise him and give him the glory. It makes me cry to think of it. That will be awesome, huh? I can't wait till then.

Peace...

This was posted as I was locking the topic. Thank you for this, Pat Williams.

The topic will still be locked for now, but you are all free to post elsewhere and also open new topics.