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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Petunia on July 29, 2008, 08:36:21 AM
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Over the last few days I have noticed that some of the regular posters here at Adventtalk have stopped posting. I'm just wondering if there might be some significance to this.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a prolific poster, hasn't posted since July 17, when he submitted a rather troubling missive about betrayel, lack of loyalty and LAODICEA. Perhaps he is busy working the details of this defamation per se law suit, but it is strange that he is so silent.
Fran, also a regularly prolific poster hasn't been heard from since July 21. Anybody have any clue why? Might it have something to do with the IRS exonerating Danny Shelton and 3abn?
Grandma Nettie, a fairly outspoken member who does not seem to be of the same camp as the above members, is also MIA since July 20. Has she been banned? Is there a way to find out? I have been interested in her take on some of the recent dialogue.
Pet
Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
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Petunia, Grandma Nettie has been here unlike you 3ABN is not her only interest on AdventTalk. I sometimes go weeks without posting in this subforum, although I post in others. It is summer, people take vacations. It appears that a lot of surmising without facts on your part is going on.
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Actually, yes, I do know the circumstances of at least one of the individuals you mentioned. However, pardon my boldness, but it is really none of your business!!
Have you tried sending a PM to the indiiduals you seem so concerned about, rather than trying to induce people to "speculate" about their welfare? Sorry, Petunia, but in my opinion, your "concern" is misplaced if not downright misleading.
Over the last few days I have noticed that some of the regular posters here at Adventtalk have stopped posting. I'm just wondering if there might be some significance to this.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a prolific poster, hasn't posted since July 17, when he submitted a rather troubling missive about betrayel, lack of loyalty and LAODICEA. Perhaps he is busy working the details of this defamation per se law suit, but it is strange that he is so silent.
Fran, also a regularly prolific poster hasn't been heard from since July 21. Anybody have any clue why? Might it have something to do with the IRS exonerating Danny Shelton and 3abn?
Grandma Nettie, a fairly outspoken member who does not seem to be of the same camp as the above members, is also MIA since July 20. Has she been banned? Is there a way to find out? I have been interested in her take on some of the recent dialogue.
Pet
Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
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Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
:ROFL: :ROFL:
Sorry, trying to get members to speculate is a bit funny comeing from some posters here. Perhaps some should be concerned when speculation now becomes a requested response
Naughty, Naughty
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Over the last few days I have noticed that some of the regular posters here at Adventtalk have stopped posting. I'm just wondering if there might be some significance to this.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a prolific poster, hasn't posted since July 17, when he submitted a rather troubling missive about betrayel, lack of loyalty and LAODICEA. Perhaps he is busy working the details of this defamation per se law suit, but it is strange that he is so silent.
Fran, also a regularly prolific poster hasn't been heard from since July 21. Anybody have any clue why? Might it have something to do with the IRS exonerating Danny Shelton and 3abn?
Grandma Nettie, a fairly outspoken member who does not seem to be of the same camp as the above members, is also MIA since July 20. Has she been banned? Is there a way to find out? I have been interested in her take on some of the recent dialogue.
Pet
Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
Are you for real Petunia? Concerned about some people who are not here at the moment? You've got to be joking Petunia. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
You haven't shown concern previously about people, so why the (dubious) concern now? :dunno:
Why would you think that Grandma Nettie has been banned? Has she done something offensive? :scratch:
Maybe, people just have a life outside Forums and families to attend to. Is that outside of the realms of your imagination? :hot:
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Over the last few days I have noticed that some of the regular posters here at Adventtalk have stopped posting. I'm just wondering if there might be some significance to this.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a prolific poster, hasn't posted since July 17, when he submitted a rather troubling missive about betrayel, lack of loyalty and LAODICEA. Perhaps he is busy working the details of this defamation per se law suit, but it is strange that he is so silent.
Fran, also a regularly prolific poster hasn't been heard from since July 21. Anybody have any clue why? Might it have something to do with the IRS exonerating Danny Shelton and 3abn?
Grandma Nettie, a fairly outspoken member who does not seem to be of the same camp as the above members, is also MIA since July 20. Has she been banned? Is there a way to find out? I have been interested in her take on some of the recent dialogue.
Pet
Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
Wow, petunia, I was just so pleased to know I was missed, and particularly by petunia, so I reset my password that I had "forgotten" and dashed right back.
As to the IRS? Well, they still have not called me yet, but then I never contributed any documents, just wrote the stories.
On the other hand, I have been polling contributors and none has yet advised me that they have been offered their documents back. SUch a shame too, because it would be great to see what they had all given in the first place. Add it to the evidence locker, you know.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Over the last few days I have noticed that some of the regular posters here at Adventtalk have stopped posting. I'm just wondering if there might be some significance to this.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a prolific poster, hasn't posted since July 17, when he submitted a rather troubling missive about betrayel, lack of loyalty and LAODICEA. Perhaps he is busy working the details of this defamation per se law suit, but it is strange that he is so silent.
Fran, also a regularly prolific poster hasn't been heard from since July 21. Anybody have any clue why? Might it have something to do with the IRS exonerating Danny Shelton and 3abn?
Grandma Nettie, a fairly outspoken member who does not seem to be of the same camp as the above members, is also MIA since July 20. Has she been banned? Is there a way to find out? I have been interested in her take on some of the recent dialogue.
Pet
Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
Wow, petunia, I was just so pleased to know I was missed, and particularly by petunia, so I reset my password that I had "forgotten" and dashed right back.
As to the IRS? Well, they still have not called me yet, but then I never contributed any documents, just wrote the stories.
On the other hand, I have been polling contributors and none has yet advised me that they have been offered their documents back. SUch a shame too, because it would be great to see what they had all given in the first place. Add it to the evidence locker, you know.
Gailon Arthur Joy
I see I wasn't picked out among the mentioned missing, but, I thought I would still mention that I am not missing, I know right where I am and it's right here.
If I was missed, that sure is sweet of you!! If I wasn't, you won't have to get around to noticing as I am not missing since I'm here, and all is well. So, not worries!!
:hot:
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I see I wasn't picked out among the mentioned missing, but, I thought I would still mention that I am not missing, I know right where I am and it's right here.
If I was missed, that sure is sweet of you!! If I wasn't, you won't have to get around to noticing as I am not missing since I'm here, and all is well. So, not worries!!
:hot:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Since 3ABN and DS have been exonerated that leaves you two alternatives. Either the polled contributors have not been above board with you or the contributions may be held as evidence against those who falsely accused. The time and expense used in all those months of investigation is no little matter.
As to the IRS? Well, they still have not called me yet, but then I never contributed any documents, just wrote the stories.
On the other hand, I have been polling contributors and none has yet advised me that they have been offered their documents back. SUch a shame too, because it would be great to see what they had all given in the first place. Add it to the evidence locker, you know.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Oh, but I have been missin you, SSOM!
I see I wasn't picked out among the mentioned missing, but, I thought I would still mention that I am not missing, I know right where I am and it's right here.
If I was missed, that sure is sweet of you!! If I wasn't, you won't have to get around to noticing as I am not missing since I'm here, and all is well. So, not worries!!
:hot:
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Since 3ABN and DS have been exonerated [/colour] that leaves you two alternatives. Either the polled contributors have not been above board with you or the contributions may be held as evidence against those who falsely accused. The time and expense used in all those months of investigation is no little matter.
Believe what you like but I'm still waiting to see the evidence. Remember, we were all told that the IRS found zilch wrong with 3abn/DS affairs. We're still waiting for the exoneration letter that was being trumpeted by supporters.
I'm glad that you are aware of the huge waste of donor's monies. I've wondered how they could sleep at night, wasting so much of God's monies that should have been going into spreading the Gospel message.
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Actually I was speaking in the context of what the taxpayers had to pay out.
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You just said that 3ABN and Danny were exonerated by the IRS.
Chrissie said she was waiting for evidence to back up that statement.
Rather than post any evidence at all, you wrote the above about taxpayers.
Thus you make it quite clear to me that you made an assertion of fact that you don't have a clue how to support or back up. I would therefore suggest that in the future you write that 3ABN and Danny are allegedly exonerated rather than exonerated.
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You just said that 3ABN and Danny were exonerated by the IRS.
Chrissie said she was waiting for evidence to back up that statement.
Rather than post any evidence at all, you wrote the above about taxpayers.
Thus you make it quite clear to me that you made an assertion of fact that you don't have a clue how to support or back up. I would therefore suggest that in the future you write that 3ABN and Danny are allegedly exonerated rather than exonerated.
Bob, a letter from the attorney's handling the IRS case saying the investigation was over and also saying there were no fines or settlements of any kind is good enough for me and about 99% of the church as a whole. Why do you insist on making yourself look desperate by this constant denial?
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Then are you equally willing to say that Tommy Shelton is absolutely positively a pedophile simply because a pastor of a church Tommy pastored said Tommy molested six boys, Brad Dunning said Tommy propositioned him, Duane Clem says Tommy took advantage of him, Roger Clem says Tommy molested him, Sherry Avery says she caught Tommy in a house with a boy, and that Tommy lied about it to her, and Moms in pain #1 and #2 tell their stories?
Think about it: We have a single letter from an attorney who's been wrong before, and you want to accept it as a done deal and proven fact. We have letters from at least seven people. Should you not be seven times as ready to accept the allegations against Tommy Shelton as being proven fact?
If not, why not?
Remember, not even Attorney Riva in his letter to Dryden of June 2003 denied that the allegations against Tommy were true.
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Sam, unfortunately I would guess that about 99% of the church members don't know or just don't care about this whole mess. I am surprised at the number of people I talk to that don't know that there is a lawsuit going on. Also, most of the people I know don't even watch or want to.
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Other information states that at least 90% of SDA leaders believe Linda is innocent.
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Since 3ABN and DS have been exonerated that leaves you two alternatives. Either the polled contributors have not been above board with you or the contributions may be held as evidence against those who falsely accused. The time and expense used in all those months of investigation is no little matter.
As to the IRS? Well, they still have not called me yet, but then I never contributed any documents, just wrote the stories.
On the other hand, I have been polling contributors and none has yet advised me that they have been offered their documents back. SUch a shame too, because it would be great to see what they had all given in the first place. Add it to the evidence locker, you know.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Excuse me, but no CHILD of GOD that I know can HONESTLY say that 3ABN has been "exonerated". Way too much information and way too many documents to allow you the ignorant pleasure of pretending 3ABN has been "Exonerated". And if you feel they are, we clearly do not share the same GOD.
As our old baseball friend is noted for proclaiming: It ain't over til it's over.
By the way, the only sources we have ever had that proved "FACTUALLY CHALLENGED" were more often than not associated with 3ABN.
Just for the record, I noticed Gilleys quote from his Live presentation. Compare that to SAM's comment. Then compare that to the comments that Doug Batchelor released and then compare that to Ronnie's original release.
AND WHERE IS THE TRUTH???
Only a true CHILD OF GOD would know!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Gailon,
Several Dictionary sources give the following meaning for exonerated:
Unloaded; disburdened; freed from a charge, imputation or responsibility,
Absolved, cleared, exculpated, vindicated, freed from any question of guilt;
Comparing what the dictionaries say and Gilley, Sam, Doug Batchelor, Ronnie Shelton and the Attorney each said it comes down to one thing, that 3ABN and DS have been exonerated.
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But you're ignoring the obvious: they aren't the ones who can exonerate!
Unless, of course, you want to assume that the pope can forgive sins on God's behalf. Otherwise, we simply have to wait until the IRS makes a pronouncement instead of relying upon someone's assumption.
But we really don't have to wait. Danny claimed that he falsified a figure on his 2003 tax return, and it appears that he told the truth.
And he bought a house in 1998 from 3ABN for $6,139, a price that 3ABN admits was below fair market value.
So exoneration isn't possible.
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Over the last few days I have noticed that some of the regular posters here at Adventtalk have stopped posting. I'm just wondering if there might be some significance to this.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a prolific poster, hasn't posted since July 17, when he submitted a rather troubling missive about betrayel, lack of loyalty and LAODICEA. Perhaps he is busy working the details of this defamation per se law suit, but it is strange that he is so silent.
Fran, also a regularly prolific poster hasn't been heard from since July 21. Anybody have any clue why? Might it have something to do with the IRS exonerating Danny Shelton and 3abn?
Grandma Nettie, a fairly outspoken member who does not seem to be of the same camp as the above members, is also MIA since July 20. Has she been banned? Is there a way to find out? I have been interested in her take on some of the recent dialogue.
Pet
Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
Petunia, Welcome to Adventtalk! Glad you have decided to step out of the land of lurkers and share your opinions and perspective with us. It's often a risky venture but, from what I have read so far, you have a fine grasp on many of the issues. I appreciate the addition of your voice.
Looking at the reception you have gotten here in this topic, I must say that am embarassed at the way you have been treated. But, since you are obviously aware of the way things are here on this particular forum and chose to speak out in spite of it, I would "speculate" that you probably expected as much and chose to join us anyway.
Thanks for noticing my absence. I was out of town for a week but am back now and hope to get caught up with the many posts that have been made while I was gone.
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Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
Sorry Grandma Nettie if I sounded rude, but the choice of the word "speculation" struck me as humorous.
That is a word that gets tossed around ,others accused of merely speculation and given very little if any credibility and then to ask others to speculate tickled my warped sense of humor
bonnie
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Anybody have any speculation or information about where these three members might be? Should we be concerned?
Sorry Grandma Nettie if I sounded rude, but the choice of the word "speculation" struck me as humorous.
That is a word that gets tossed around ,others accused of merely speculation and given very little if any credibility and then to ask others to speculate tickled my warped sense of humor
bonnie
It tickled my own warped funny bone as well so maybe you are on to something here... Could it have been Petunia's point in adding it? Was it a careless mistake? See, now I'm speculating.... I surmise that only Petunia knows for sure why she used the word "speculation".
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It tickled my own warped funny bone as well so maybe you are on to something here... Could it have been Petunia's point in adding it? Was it a careless mistake? See, now I'm speculating.... I surmise that only Petunia knows for sure why she used the word "speculation".
There are far to many joining claiming no bias either side. Takes only a post or two and it usually comes out. It is not that hard to understand when there is such a level of mistrust already to get a little testy.
I don't know what Petunia's point was,but as a newcomer I would think others may see it as a little suspect and then we are off to the races again.
For me, neither side will sway my opinion of DS. He has spoken loud and clear.
Nothing will be gained at this point no matter how it turns out for DS.
He is revered by far to many. Unfortunately I don't think it is 3ABN programming so many are fighting for,It is DS the man they revere.
As much as I grew to hate the word lawsuit,I would extract myself from this losing proposition yesterday.
. DS will eventually shoot himself in the foot and that is what it will take.
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What are the attributes of a true Child of God?
Do you perceive yourself as a child of God, Gailon?
If so, why?
Since 3ABN and DS have been exonerated that leaves you two alternatives. Either the polled contributors have not been above board with you or the contributions may be held as evidence against those who falsely accused. The time and expense used in all those months of investigation is no little matter.
As to the IRS? Well, they still have not called me yet, but then I never contributed any documents, just wrote the stories.
On the other hand, I have been polling contributors and none has yet advised me that they have been offered their documents back. SUch a shame too, because it would be great to see what they had all given in the first place. Add it to the evidence locker, you know.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Excuse me, but no CHILD of GOD that I know can HONESTLY say that 3ABN has been "exonerated". Way too much information and way too many documents to allow you the ignorant pleasure of pretending 3ABN has been "Exonerated". And if you feel they are, we clearly do not share the same GOD.
As our old baseball friend is noted for proclaiming: It ain't over til it's over.
By the way, the only sources we have ever had that proved "FACTUALLY CHALLENGED" were more often than not associated with 3ABN.
Just for the record, I noticed Gilleys quote from his Live presentation. Compare that to SAM's comment. Then compare that to the comments that Doug Batchelor released and then compare that to Ronnie's original release.
AND WHERE IS THE TRUTH???
Only a true CHILD OF GOD would know!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Gailon,
Several Dictionary sources give the following meaning for exonerated:
Unloaded; disburdened; freed from a charge, imputation or responsibility,
Absolved, cleared, exculpated, vindicated, freed from any question of guilt;
Comparing what the dictionaries say and Gilley, Sam, Doug Batchelor, Ronnie Shelton and the Attorney each said it comes down to one thing, that 3ABN and DS have been exonerated.
Let me make one thing VERY clear...they are not unloaded, disburdened, freed from charge, imputation or responsibility, absolved, cleared, exculpated, vindicated, or freed from any question of guilt in our case. The case goes on and we continue to build our piles of evidence. Our witness list remains intact and the evidence has not changed.
And who granted dispensation to Gilley, SAM, Doug, Ronnie or Gerald Duffy??? They have largely interpolated information. SAM, Doug and Ronnie
are all hearsay...just plain old hearsay. Gilley and Gerald Duffy may actually be the same. Certainly not of authority and not a one I would rely upon as an authority.
GAilon Arthur Joy
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As the last two posts here have nothing to do with the name of this topic I have closed this thread and have moved the previous two posts here to the following thread link:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,870.0.html