The lawsuit is definitely vindictive, in my opinion. Think Greg has changed camps?
Anybody have an idea what he meant by "R P I A L and E S . . ."?
The lawsuit is definitely vindictive, in my opinion. Think Greg has changed camps?
Anybody have an idea what he meant by "R P I A L and E S . . ."?
http://www.myspace.com/viewfromthebackrow (http://www.myspace.com/viewfromthebackrow)
"akamrt is amazed at how vindictive and filled with vengence some people can be"
"Mood: disgusted"
"Last Login: 5/17/2008"
"R P I A L and E S . . . "
DREAMING...that is the only worthy response!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
DREAMING...that is the only worthy response!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
Sometimes dreams come true :thumbsup:
I always hold out a speck of hope, for everyone.
I always hold out a speck of hope, for everyone.
The lawsuit is definitely vindictive, in my opinion. Think Greg has changed camps?
Anybody have an idea what he meant by "R P I A L and E S . . ."?
Now last Thursday I did file as an exhibit his post in which he claimed that the IRS investigator had recently had a baby, and identified him in the court filing as being Walt Thompson's son. But how would that be vengeful or vindictive? I didn't say anything nasty about him in the court filing.
Of course, I can imagine that Jerrie Hayes wasn't too happy about that, since I referred to her statement of March 7, 2008, to Magistrate Judge Hillman, where she said there wasn't an IRS investigation going on, even though para. 4 of her own proposed protective order, regarding which that hearing was about, referred to documents produced to the Department of Justice regarding investigative matters.
That para. 4 and Greg's statement suggests that Jerrie Hayes' statement in the hearing was false. But how would even pointing that out be vengeful or vindictive? I think that any attorney representing 3ABN or Danny Shelton must be absolutely above board and honest in everything they say or do, or they should be immediately fired. Supporting ministries of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and their ex-presidents/ex-CEO's should have the highest standards.
And what planet are you coming from?
Looks like Greg changed his message yet again at http://www.myspace.com/viewfromthebackrow (http://www.myspace.com/viewfromthebackrow)
"akamrt believes there are those who should go back to printing business cards, wedding annuouncements, and the occassional cookbook and leaving The Work alone"
"R P I A L and E S . . . "
"Last Login: 5/18/2008"
"Mood: disgusted"
I wonder if he is going to change his message once a day.
It looks to me that FHB is aware that you are reading his page every day. :rabbit:
Looks like Greg changed his message yet again at http://www.myspace.com/viewfromthebackrow (http://www.myspace.com/viewfromthebackrow)[/quote]
"akamrt believes there are those who should go back to printing business cards, wedding annuouncements, and the occassional cookbook and leaving The Work alone"
"R P I A L and E S . . . "
"Last Login: 5/18/2008"
"Mood: disgusted"
I wonder if he is going to change his message once a day.
Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..
Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...
That was the affidavit. How about the memorandum?
Hey thanks, Ian. That was kind of you. Any chance you have the Exhibits as well?
Fran,
If the IRS is so concerned that major misdeeds have been done, why is the "investigation" on hiatus? Interesting that the investigator is out on maternity leave and they haven't put anyone else in charge. Doesn't seem to be very high on their priority list now does it?
- FHB
No problem, and sorry I don't have them. They are already available online in the forums etc, ( for example Sister's posts) so I didn't download them, as considered it a waste of my time and money.
I do have a copy of FHB's post which Bob submitted.QuoteFran,
If the IRS is so concerned that major misdeeds have been done, why is the "investigation" on hiatus? Interesting that the investigator is out on maternity leave and they haven't put anyone else in charge. Doesn't seem to be very high on their priority list now does it?
- FHB
But only Bob can provide a quote to us of Jerrie Hayes statement from the transcript as a Pro se defendant. Hearing transcripts aren't available through PACER. He didn't to the court either, which probably won't work well for him, (imo) guess we'll see...
But only Bob can provide a quote to us of Jerrie Hayes statement from the transcript as a Pro se defendant. Hearing transcripts aren't available through PACER. He didn't provide it to the court either, which probably won't work well for him, (imo) guess we'll see...
Makes perfect sense, Ian. I knew I could find many of the posts online, but thought there were other docs referenced that weren't otherwise available...but at $0.08 per page one would want to be selective!
Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...
Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..
Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...
Respectfully, Ian, how is it that you have knowledge of what communication has taken place between Ms. Hayes and Mr. Pickle?
Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..
Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...
But only Bob can provide a quote to us of Jerrie Hayes statement from the transcript as a Pro se defendant. Hearing transcripts aren't available through PACER. He didn't provide it to the court either, which probably won't work well for him, (imo) guess we'll see...
Ian, I don't have the transcript. They are expensive to get.
I stated what was said in that hearing in my affidavit, and I would think that should be sufficient. If that sort of conversation was had in my courtroom, and the folks came back and referred to that conversation again, I think I would remember it. Magistrate Judge Hillman may not remember, but it has only been 2+ months since that hearing, and that part of the hearing should be more easily remembered I would think than other parts.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Danny Shelton
To: Walt Thompson
Subject:
Date: 10/8/2006 12:13:14 PM
Gailon,
Walt copied me your email to him.
...
You have expressed that Linda and Arild have passed your "truth" test concerning them being guiltless of having an affair. So much so that you are going to email your results to everyone you can .... I hope that they are believable enough for you to stake every thing you own on the information you have received from them and certain others, because in the long run that could be what is at stake for you. ... but I am encouraging you to get the facts straight before you continue to publish lies. This can have bad consequences for every one involved, including you.
Anyway, let me give you just a few things to think about,
You claim that Linda passed your truth test. Are you not aware that any one who is a polished liar will not wiggle or squirm when being questioned about their lies ... ?
...
The detectives told me that Arild gave Linda a very nice watch as a gift. ...
She never wiggled or squirmed. She was almost convincing to me.
Quote-------- Original Message --------
From: Danny Shelton
To: Walt Thompson
Subject:
Date: 10/8/2006 12:13:14 PM
Gailon,
Walt copied me your email to him.
...
You have expressed that Linda and Arild have passed your "truth" test concerning them being guiltless of having an affair. So much so that you are going to email your results to everyone you can .... I hope that they are believable enough for you to stake every thing you own on the information you have received from them and certain others, because in the long run that could be what is at stake for you. ... but I am encouraging you to get the facts straight before you continue to publish lies. This can have bad consequences for every one involved, including you.
Anyway, let me give you just a few things to think about,
You claim that Linda passed your truth test. Are you not aware that any one who is a polished liar will not wiggle or squirm when being questioned about their lies ... ?
...
The detectives told me that Arild gave Linda a very nice watch as a gift. ...
She never wiggled or squirmed. She was almost convincing to me.
Respectfully, Ian, how is it that you have knowledge of what communication has taken place between Ms. Hayes and Mr. Pickle?
Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..
Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...
Quote-------- Original Message --------
From: Danny Shelton
To: Walt Thompson
Subject:
Date: 10/8/2006 12:13:14 PM
Gailon,
Walt copied me your email to him.
...
You have expressed that Linda and Arild have passed your "truth" test concerning them being guiltless of having an affair. So much so that you are going to email your results to everyone you can .... I hope that they are believable enough for you to stake every thing you own on the information you have received from them and certain others, because in the long run that could be what is at stake for you. ... but I am encouraging you to get the facts straight before you continue to publish lies. This can have bad consequences for every one involved, including you.
Anyway, let me give you just a few things to think about,
You claim that Linda passed your truth test. Are you not aware that any one who is a polished liar will not wiggle or squirm when being questioned about their lies ... ?
...
The detectives told me that Arild gave Linda a very nice watch as a gift. ...
She never wiggled or squirmed. She was almost convincing to me.
Thank-you for reminding me of this. In fact this very e-mail underscores Danny's factaully challenged status as the watch was a gift given before the Private detectives were hired and Linda put the gift in the Glove Compartment, where Danny found it when he went through the car about ten days after it was gifted. When one is perpetually factually challenged one has a problem keeping the facts straight...
Gailon Arthur Joy
Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...
2 (http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-and-danny-v-joy-and-pickle-ex-parte-memorandum.htm#fb2) All of the Attachments to this Memorandum were printed from the www.save3ABN.com (http://www.save-3ABN.com/) website. Because the attachments are merely illustrative of Plaintiffs' points, Plaintiffs have not included every single page of each posting. Rather, Plaintiffs have simply included the pertinent pages. (E.g., as can be seen on the top right hand corner or Exhibit 1, the actual posting is 9 pages, but Plaintiffs are only submitting the first 2 pages to the Court.) Plaintiffs have also highlighted certain portions of the Attachments that are particularly relevant.
Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...
Last November she threatened me, accusing me of accusing her or her colleagues of covering up stuff. In actuality I had written about 3ABN and/or Danny, not her.
But as far as evidence for covering up goes, it's a matter of public record. When they filed Save3ABN.com's page on Duffy's letter (http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-corruption-litigation-gerald-duffy-01.htm), they stopped short of putting the whole web page into the record, which allowed them to avoid putting any mention of the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations into the record. Here's the explanation they gave: (http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-and-danny-v-joy-and-pickle-ex-parte-memorandum.htm)Quote2 (http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-and-danny-v-joy-and-pickle-ex-parte-memorandum.htm#fb2) All of the Attachments to this Memorandum were printed from the www.save3ABN.com (http://www.save-3ABN.com/) website. Because the attachments are merely illustrative of Plaintiffs' points, Plaintiffs have not included every single page of each posting. Rather, Plaintiffs have simply included the pertinent pages. (E.g., as can be seen on the top right hand corner or Exhibit 1, the actual posting is 9 pages, but Plaintiffs are only submitting the first 2 pages to the Court.) Plaintiffs have also highlighted certain portions of the Attachments that are particularly relevant.
So they felt they needed to give some sort of explanation why they were stopping at page 2 of the printout. Perhaps that explanation would keep the court from asking too many questions, but I don't know.
I think this is evidence that whoever wrote up that memorandum and/or prepared the exhibits was intentionally trying to hide the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations from the court. So I do think there is some evidence out there that at least one of these attorneys or their employees has participated in a cover up of sorts.
Kind of childish, Ian, to respond to my points in third person.
"Mr Pickle when called on something responds defensively and says he didn't say or do that, but then goes on and continues to do that very thing."
Stop the vagueness and get specific: What exactly are you talking about?
My comments to which Jerrie Hayes reacted last November I believe had nothing to do with Gerry Duffy's letter.
It is always possible that their cutting off the rest of that web page was totally unintentional, and that's why I said it was evidence. It is definitely evidence, that is for sure.
No, Ian, I am the same person who has not hesitated in the past to stand up for truth, righteousness, and the oppressed.
The challenge here is that I've never been in a situation before where a problem gets dragged out so long because the one in the wrong filed a suit. Dirk Anderson sure never sued me in order to try to shut me up.
Thank-you for reminding me of this. In fact this very e-mail underscores Danny's factaully challenged status as the watch was a gift given before the Private detectives were hired and Linda put the gift in the Glove Compartment, where Danny found it when he went through the car about ten days after it was gifted. When one is perpetually factually challenged one has a problem keeping the facts straight.
But in response, I do think that some people can beat a Lie Detector Test...but Linda is not one...on the other Hand, I believe Danny could!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
Thank-you for reminding me of this. In fact this very e-mail underscores Danny's factaully challenged status as the watch was a gift given before the Private detectives were hired and Linda put the gift in the Glove Compartment, where Danny found it when he went through the car about ten days after it was gifted. When one is perpetually factually challenged one has a problem keeping the facts straight.
But in response, I do think that some people can beat a Lie Detector Test...but Linda is not one...on the other Hand, I believe Danny could!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
The fact of when the watch was given really doesn't matter. The point is, as you seemed to have missed it, is that it was given. End of story.
If anyone is hiding something, filing suit is the last action they would take. If you have something to hide you certainly wouldn't want to risk those nasty depos and all of that very telling discovery. The fact that 3abn chose to pursue a suit tells me and a lot of others that they have nothing to hide.
If anyone is hiding something, filing suit is the last action they would take. If you have something to hide you certainly wouldn't want to risk those nasty depos and all of that very telling discovery. The fact that 3abn chose to pursue a suit tells me and a lot of others that they have nothing to hide.
Don't be so gullible.
3ABN and Danny still haven't given us document 1 of the documents I requested back in November and December. I finally got the last of the initial disclosures in last Friday's mail. Regarding those they have gone to the extreme extreme of marking confidential documents that anyone in the world can freely obtain. And that, in my opinion, is a violation of the confidentiality order that was issued.
If you read through the property tax case, you'll see that this isn't the first time that 3ABN and Danny have refused to turn over documents. I think he's been doing the same in his divorce case too.
No, they are definitely acting as if they have a whole lot to hide. And the evidence that is available at present confirms that.
The fact of when the watch was given really doesn't matter. The point is, as you seemed to have missed it, is that it was given. End of story.
....Somebody is twisting this to imply that ony two time zones could be displayed. Another one of those evil lies. May the Lord have mercy!
Johann Thorvaldsson
Whatever time zones the user sets it for.
As to printing Danny's emails in their entirety, I'm sure that day will come. Then anyone who wants to will be able to read his rambling venom in its entirety.
The fact of when the watch was given really doesn't matter. The point is, as you seemed to have missed it, is that it was given. End of story.
Not quite. I was involved in that gift too. We chose that watch together among various gifts suggested in the airline brochure as we were on our way to tell the 3ABN board what really happened. It was to be a small token of encouragement to Linda in her woes. Any evil mind can twist and interpret that to have an entirely different meaning. Where we came from such a token has no strings attached. Somebody is twisting this to imply that ony two time zones could be displayed. Another one of those evil lies. May the Lord have mercy!
Johann Thorvaldsson
As to printing Danny's emails in their entirety, I'm sure that day will come. Then anyone who wants to will be able to read his rambling venom in its entirety.
In the meantime, despite Linda's public pleas, Bob is protecting Danny??
:ROFL:
No, Ian, I am the same person who has not hesitated in the past to stand up for truth, righteousness, and the oppressed.
The challenge here is that I've never been in a situation before where a problem gets dragged out so long because the one in the wrong filed a suit. Dirk Anderson sure never sued me in order to try to shut me up.
If anyone is hiding something, filing suit is the last action they would take. If you have something to hide you certainly wouldn't want to risk those nasty depos and all of that very telling discovery. The fact that 3abn chose to pursue a suit tells me and a lot of others that they have nothing to hide.
Thank-you for reminding me of this. In fact this very e-mail underscores Danny's factaully challenged status as the watch was a gift given before the Private detectives were hired and Linda put the gift in the Glove Compartment, where Danny found it when he went through the car about ten days after it was gifted. When one is perpetually factually challenged one has a problem keeping the facts straight.
But in response, I do think that some people can beat a Lie Detector Test...but Linda is not one...on the other Hand, I believe Danny could!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
The fact of when the watch was given really doesn't matter. The point is, as you seemed to have missed it, is that it was given. End of story.
Exactly, a watch was given to Linda by her Doctor. (a double faced watch- set for two time zones, one Linda's and the other the Doctor's) And she reportedly lied about it
I have also wondered for over a year now, why after already publishing so many private letters from so many, and in wake of Linda's clear statement that she wants the evidence against her to be known..
Why do both Pickle and Joy both edit this letter from Danny about Linda, and only furnish brief excerpts, and refuse to let it all be known?
Folks, If Pickle and Joy have received documents marked "confidential" then that info is available to them for the case and they have access to it, and it can be used in the case and trial and the truth be determined. So what's the beef?
Answer: You have to get the documents first!!!
The confidentiality order was issued by the Judge.
it only means that what is marked confidential is not public information and can't be revealed to the public, or any outside the case who have no right to it.
Answer: The order was the result of Danny's Request to have documents covered by Confidentiality and the judge granted a significantly revised order and made it clear that abuse will not be tolerated.
WE DID NOT REQUEST A CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT...guess they have a lot to hide!!!
So Pickle can't twist anything and misrepresent it here, he is not allowed to violate an individual's privacy rights (the donors for example) , or share or make know 3ABN's trade secrets to their competitors etc. In other words, Pickle can't report it all as he wants to..
If Pickle thinks 3ABN is violating the Judges order, than instead of first accusing them of doing so and of hiding things and having the apearance of evil, and further whining about it here, he should file a complaint and let the Judge decide..
Answer: You are correct...guess it is time to do exactly that...is that why the motion to compel discovery?
Then he can factually report the court's decision.
Make sense?
Answer: Absolutely and we await the courts response to the FIRST Motion to Compel.
Whatever time zones the user sets it for.
Since Pickle's answering maybe Pickle could maybe explain why Linda would lie about it and hide it, and why it was set to Illinois and Norway time when it was found and photograhed?
And why won't he or Joy publish the whole letter where Danny Shelton explained all this and more to them, in wake of Linda's claims that she wants all revealed and made known????
Ian
Bob just claimed:
"they are definitely acting as if they have a whole lot to hide. And the evidence that is available at present confirms that."
Hey Mr. Gailon the bellicose, have you seen one? there was one and a link to some blog over on bsda. You seem to put alot of effort into trying to puff up and get people to believe you are a big deal. Pride might be a problem for ya huh? You keep talking about, Just wait, just wait and people keep waiting and you keep coming up empty handed.
Edited by Snoopy to remove moderator taunting
If anyone is hiding something, filing suit is the last action they would take. If you have something to hide you certainly wouldn't want to risk those nasty depos and all of that very telling discovery. The fact that 3abn chose to pursue a suit tells me and a lot of others that they have nothing to hide.
Don't be so gullible.
3ABN and Danny still haven't given us document 1 of the documents I requested back in November and December. I finally got the last of the initial disclosures in last Friday's mail. Regarding those they have gone to the extreme extreme of marking confidential documents that anyone in the world can freely obtain. And that, in my opinion, is a violation of the confidentiality order that was issued.
If you read through the property tax case, you'll see that this isn't the first time that 3ABN and Danny have refused to turn over documents. I think he's been doing the same in his divorce case too.
No, they are definitely acting as if they have a whole lot to hide. And the evidence that is available at present confirms that.
I just became aware that SAM may actually be a female poster. My sincerest regrets for my use of the term "SAM the MAN" as it was an error in judgment, nothing else, assuming that SAM was a male.
In retrospect, it was bad form given that I did not know and I would suppose I could logically be accused of sexist slang.
My public apology to SAM for this unfortunate denigration of your name and I will not use the term SAM the Man again in this forum.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Don't take this personal Mr. Pickle but I think they are only trying to hide it from you and your partners.
How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam. Your profile doesn't indicate a gender. Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name. Who wouldn't be confused? Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake. Why be so ugly about it? It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess... :dunno:How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam. Your profile doesn't indicate a gender. Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name. Who wouldn't be confused? Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake. Why be so ugly about it? It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess... :dunno:How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
hmmm...
And this seems to be a bit uncalled for. I just checked Sam's profile, there is no gender listed, and it says the email address is hidden...
Sam's choice. :D Just as your privacy, and what you reveal or don't reveal is your choice, right Snoopy?
This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam. Your profile doesn't indicate a gender. Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name. Who wouldn't be confused? Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake. Why be so ugly about it? It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess... :dunno:How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
hmmm...
And this seems to be a bit uncalled for. I just checked Sam's profile, there is no gender listed, and it says the email address is hidden...
Sam's choice. :D Just as your privacy, and what you reveal or don't reveal is your choice, right Snoopy?
This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam. Your profile doesn't indicate a gender. Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name. Who wouldn't be confused? Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake. Why be so ugly about it? It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess... :dunno:How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
hmmm...
And this seems to be a bit uncalled for. I just checked Sam's profile, there is no gender listed, and it says the email address is hidden...
Sam's choice. :D Just as your privacy, and what you reveal or don't reveal is your choice, right Snoopy?
Well, Ian, if you weren't always looking for a battle you might have considered the possibility that I did not realize that I was seeing information that was only accessible to staff. Sam's profile does not tell me that his/her email address is hidden to others. So, my apologies. But thank you for pointing out that I have access to information I didn't realize was private!!!
And, just for the record, I think it is unnecessary for posters who insist on using screennames that are intended to be misleading, or at least questionable, from a gender perspective to put up a fight when someone gets it wrong!! If someone is going to that much effort to hide their identity, they shouldn't expect posters to know whether they are male or female!! Would you prefer "it"? As I said earlier, Gailon was simply trying to correct a possible error in a genuine way, and you all make a case of it! I'm thinking that desperation is setting in, big time!!
How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
And since we're sharing opinions Snoopy. In mine if you had any ethics or respect for others you would have edited out your reference immediatly. Most people when honestly mistaken will move to correct the mistake. The fact that you didn't, shows you don't give a fig about anyone's privacy except your friends, and your own.
The actual truth is, the discussions or debates here do not hang upon what the gender of a poster is, that really has nothing to do with anything.
My beef is the right to privacy and equal respect for member's rights on this forum Snoopy, whether that be about gender or any other thing.
If I posted something one of your friends chose to keep private I don't think you would reply with "I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while"
Shall we test that premise?
And "in my opinion" anymans issue was not gender either, it was in how you allow one side in these discussions to namecall the other when that's not supposed to be allowed.
ADMIN HAT ON
Ian, I explained to you why I did what I did. If that is not good enough for you, take it up with Daryl in a PM.
AND, DO NOT THREATEN ME!! YOU NEED TO LET THIS ONE GO!
ADMIN HAT OFFMy beef is the right to privacy and equal respect for member's rights on this forum Snoopy, whether that be about gender or any other thing.
If I posted something one of your friends chose to keep private I don't think you would reply with "I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while"
Shall we test that premise?
And "in my opinion" anymans issue was not gender either, it was in how you allow one side in these discussions to namecall the other when that's not supposed to be allowed.
See? my premise was correct. That was a totally different reaction, Snoopy. :(ADMIN HAT ON
Ian, I explained to you why I did what I did. If that is not good enough for you, take it up with Daryl in a PM.
AND, DO NOT THREATEN ME!! YOU NEED TO LET THIS ONE GO!
ADMIN HAT OFFMy beef is the right to privacy and equal respect for member's rights on this forum Snoopy, whether that be about gender or any other thing.
If I posted something one of your friends chose to keep private I don't think you would reply with "I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while"
Shall we test that premise?
And "in my opinion" anymans issue was not gender either, it was in how you allow one side in these discussions to namecall the other when that's not supposed to be allowed.
Well, Ian, I hate to break it to you, but I'm not losing any sleep about what your opinion of me is!!!
If gender is not such an issue, why do YOU make such a big deal about it?? And, why are you and anyman fighting Sam's battles? Sam is obviously a very intelligent poster here. If he or she has an issue with the post, he or she can PM me - simply as that. He or she does not seem to need you or anyman to fight his or her battles for him or her!! I explained why I posted what I did, I explained that it was inadvertent and I apologized for it, but I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while and has been included in other discussion.
Additionally, Sam responded in such a way that he or she might or might not deny being female:How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
I agree with Gailon - What's your beef, Ian??
And since we're sharing opinions Snoopy. In mine if you had any ethics or respect for others you would have edited out your reference immediatly. Most people when honestly mistaken will move to correct the mistake. The fact that you didn't, shows you don't give a fig about anyone's privacy except your friends, and your own.
The actual truth is, the discussions or debates here do not hang upon what the gender of a poster is, that really has nothing to do with anything.
Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.
What would make you think I provided any information to Gailon? Did you see where I explained what happened and apologized for it? Did you see where the topic got dropped until you brought it up again?? Did you see that there is a SINGLE thread where moderator actions are to be discussed...RESPECTFULLY?? Did you see any of that anyman? Or do you just look to pick up the fight where your buddy Ian left off?? And as for forum administration, your example is probably NOT one I would choose to learn from!!Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.
Well here is the timeline as you can check back on the previous page. Around 10:44 last night Mr. Joy says he was "just made aware" that Sam might be female. A few posts later you responded to Ian by saying that Sam's email has a female name in it. So it would seem to the simplest of us here that 1 + 1 makes 2. Is it beyond the possibility that since you defend Mr. Joy aggressively that you might be passing along information to him so he can use it in responding to people? Just asking.
Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.
Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.
ANYMAN, you are the one who complained that my use of SAM the MAN was a denigration of SAM, without explanation. I ASKED WHAT WAS THE DENIGRATION?
and went further to ask if there were a chance it was short for Samantha. Snoopy responded with the premise the e-mail was to a ladies account.
I GAVE A PUBLIC APOLOGY and your intrepid and obnoxious deduction was that this apology was an ATTACK AND CONDESCENDING?
There is a body of evidence that would demonstrate that you and the Danny Supporters are incredibly blinded by hate and disdain and cannot even demonstrate enough Christianity to accept a clear apology, RESULTING FROM YOUR COMPLAINT???
ANYMAN, SAM and IAN have clearly gone overboard and have demonstrated a clear agenda contrary to reasonable discussion essential to civility.
May I suggest a visit to your pastor???
Gailon Arthur Joy
Noooo you didn't. You never mendtioned the name Samantha and your calling Sam "Sam the Man" was specifically to be condescending it wasn't out of respect for Sam or his position. And I never said your apology was any of the things you claim. I don't hate, I am disgusted by your behavior as you claim to be a Christian. There is nothing redeeming in your actions. There is nothing uplifting in your words of fighting and antagonizm. You just enjoy fighting and arguing.
ANYMAN, you are the one who complained that my use of SAM the MAN was a denigration of SAM, without explanation. I ASKED WHAT WAS THE DENIGRATION?
and went further to ask if there were a chance it was short for Samantha. Snoopy responded with the premise the e-mail was to a ladies account.
I GAVE A PUBLIC APOLOGY and your intrepid and obnoxious deduction was that this apology was an ATTACK AND CONDESCENDING?
There is a body of evidence that would demonstrate that you and the Danny Supporters are incredibly blinded by hate and disdain and cannot even demonstrate enough Christianity to accept a clear apology, RESULTING FROM YOUR COMPLAINT???
ANYMAN, SAM and IAN have clearly gone overboard and have demonstrated a clear agenda contrary to reasonable discussion essential to civility.
May I suggest a visit to your pastor???
Gailon Arthur Joy
Noooo you didn't. You never mendtioned the name Samantha and your calling Sam "Sam the Man" was specifically to be condescending it wasn't out of respect for Sam or his position. And I never said your apology was any of the things you claim. I don't hate, I am disgusted by your behavior as you claim to be a Christian. There is nothing redeeming in your actions. There is nothing uplifting in your words of fighting and antagonizm. You just enjoy fighting and arguing.
ANYMAN, you are the one who complained that my use of SAM the MAN was a denigration of SAM, without explanation. I ASKED WHAT WAS THE DENIGRATION?
and went further to ask if there were a chance it was short for Samantha. Snoopy responded with the premise the e-mail was to a ladies account.
I GAVE A PUBLIC APOLOGY and your intrepid and obnoxious deduction was that this apology was an ATTACK AND CONDESCENDING?
There is a body of evidence that would demonstrate that you and the Danny Supporters are incredibly blinded by hate and disdain and cannot even demonstrate enough Christianity to accept a clear apology, RESULTING FROM YOUR COMPLAINT???
ANYMAN, SAM and IAN have clearly gone overboard and have demonstrated a clear agenda contrary to reasonable discussion essential to civility.
May I suggest a visit to your pastor???
Gailon Arthur Joy
ANd just how Sam The Man is disrespectful, if it is a man (or is it them)?
I had a male associate I have called Sam the Man for two decades and he has never taken offense.
By the way, what is his position? Is that supposedly known?
Splain, please?
GAJ
How about you "splainme" where you mentioned the name Samantha as you claimed. And I will help you with this rather simple probelm you have. Your friend, familar, known each other for a time equals a little less formal communication. Sam here on Adventtalk you don't know, not familiar, thus a seeminly condescending comment. And I wasn't even making a refernece to gender just to the fact it was condescending. Hope that isn't too hard to draw the line from point a to point b.Noooo you didn't. You never mendtioned the name Samantha and your calling Sam "Sam the Man" was specifically to be condescending it wasn't out of respect for Sam or his position. And I never said your apology was any of the things you claim. I don't hate, I am disgusted by your behavior as you claim to be a Christian. There is nothing redeeming in your actions. There is nothing uplifting in your words of fighting and antagonizm. You just enjoy fighting and arguing.
ANYMAN, you are the one who complained that my use of SAM the MAN was a denigration of SAM, without explanation. I ASKED WHAT WAS THE DENIGRATION?
and went further to ask if there were a chance it was short for Samantha. Snoopy responded with the premise the e-mail was to a ladies account.
I GAVE A PUBLIC APOLOGY and your intrepid and obnoxious deduction was that this apology was an ATTACK AND CONDESCENDING?
There is a body of evidence that would demonstrate that you and the Danny Supporters are incredibly blinded by hate and disdain and cannot even demonstrate enough Christianity to accept a clear apology, RESULTING FROM YOUR COMPLAINT???
ANYMAN, SAM and IAN have clearly gone overboard and have demonstrated a clear agenda contrary to reasonable discussion essential to civility.
May I suggest a visit to your pastor???
Gailon Arthur Joy
ANd just how Sam The Man is disrespectful, if it is a man (or is it them)?
I had a male associate I have called Sam the Man for two decades and he has never taken offense.
By the way, what is his position? Is that supposedly known?
Splain, please?
GAJ
How about you "splainme" where you mentioned the name Samantha as you claimed. And I will help you with this rather simple probelm you have. Your friend, familar, known each other for a time equals a little less formal communication. Sam here on Adventtalk you don't know, not familiar, thus a seeminly condescending comment. And I wasn't even making a refernece to gender just to the fact it was condescending. Hope that isn't too hard to draw the line from point a to point b.
Hey, ANYMAN, I guess we have to get back on topic and I just have to ask:
Has Greg Thompson Changed Camps?
GAJ
...I am disgusted by your behavior as you claim to be a Christian. There is nothing redeeming in your actions. There is nothing uplifting in your words of fighting and antagonizm. You just enjoy fighting and arguing.Introspection?
Hope that isn't too hard to draw the line from point a to point b.Condesending?
Both camps have given their side and to date I have to agree that the 3ABN camp's evidence and fruits are more factual and truthful.
But he's the one who has posted, "R P I A L," not me.
Well, Ian, I hate to break it to you, but I'm not losing any sleep about what your opinion of me is!!!
If gender is not such an issue, why do YOU make such a big deal about it?? And, why are you and anyman fighting Sam's battles? Sam is obviously a very intelligent poster here. If he or she has an issue with the post, he or she can PM me - simply as that. He or she does not seem to need you or anyman to fight his or her battles for him or her!! I explained why I posted what I did, I explained that it was inadvertent and I apologized for it, but I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while and has been included in other discussion.
Additionally, Sam responded in such a way that he or she might or might not deny being female:How totally tiresome you are. You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share? Oh well, think what you want. Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.
I agree with Gailon - What's your beef, Ian??
The beef isn't about gender. It is about privacy. When you join a christian forum it should be the members right to either, give their real name, or not and trust that the moderators will respect the decision. When you don't, it is kind of like breaking attorney/client privilege. There are grave repurcussions when that happens. You state that you did not know that you had information that was hidden to members. If you did not understand moderator rules any better than that, why were you given and why did you take the job? Seems moderators should be well versed in what they can and cannot do as well as what they have access to.
Personally I could care less if you think I'm a woman but breaking the trust of the forum members is a whole different ball game.
And since we're sharing opinions Snoopy. In mine if you had any ethics or respect for others you would have edited out your reference immediatly. Most people when honestly mistaken will move to correct the mistake. The fact that you didn't, shows you don't give a fig about anyone's privacy except your friends, and your own.
The actual truth is, the discussions or debates here do not hang upon what the gender of a poster is, that really has nothing to do with anything.
But he's the one who has posted, "R P I A L," not me.
RPIAL???? What does that mean?
The lawsuit is definitely vindictive, in my opinion. Think Greg has changed camps?
Anybody have an idea what he meant by "R P I A L and E S . . ."?
Someone asked me if "R P I A L" means "Robert Pickle Is A Liar."
He wouldn't have said something like that, would he? How have I been vindictive? Or vengeful?
The beef isn't about gender. It is about privacy. When you join a christian forum it should be the members right to either, give their real name, or not and trust that the moderators will respect the decision. When you don't, it is kind of like breaking attorney/client privilege. There are grave repurcussions when that happens. You state that you did not know that you had information that was hidden to members. If you did not understand moderator rules any better than that, why were you given and why did you take the job? Seems moderators should be well versed in what they can and cannot do as well as what they have access to.
Personally I could care less if you think I'm a woman but breaking the trust of the forum members is a whole different ball game.
Snoopy, you do a wonderful job as a moderator....keep up the good work.......there are some very difficult posters here lately, some of which have totally changed Adventtalk as it was when I joined.......I never before felt such hostility and anger in some posters now...and to tell you the truth....I was so glad to see all this bashing end at other forums because of lawsuit threats.......only to see it infiltrate here.....and it is getting more and more like all the angered other forums were......I think you and all the moderators do a very good job dealing with the anger that is infiltrating into this forum.......We are all suppose to be SDA Christians......but some have lost sight of that............
Thanks again ..........may all have a Happy Sabbath !!!!!!
Yeah, I've been wondering how long it would take for the supporters of evil to arrive. They make me physically sick. I just wish they would go away. :hot:
If nothing else, Pickle and Joy's respectful reponses show me that Bob and Gailon know Jesus and walk with Him.
Yeah, I've been wondering how long it would take for the supporters of evil to arrive. They make me physically sick. I just wish they would go away. :hot:
If nothing else, Pickle and Joy's respectful reponses show me that Bob and Gailon know Jesus and walk with Him.
Roxe
Unfortunately, there are quite a few people here who feel as you do, and I believe that we need to look at how AT has changed.
I know that there are a number of caring people, who have not posted or even visited here for awhile now, because of the behaviour of a few; who appear to use 'bullying tactics', as they are determined to have the 'last say' and are prepared to destroy anyone who wants any accountability from 3abn and the associated cohorts. People have pulled back from even visiting AT because of this behaviour.
Maybe, that's off topic here, but perhaps could be used to start another thread? And how do we reclaim those who have felt 'abused' by a very vocal minority?
Yeah, I've been wondering how long it would take for the supporters of evil to arrive. They make me physically sick. I just wish they would go away. :hot:
If nothing else, Pickle and Joy's respectful reponses show me that Bob and Gailon know Jesus and walk with Him.
Roxe
Unfortunately, there are quite a few people here who feel as you do, and I believe that we need to look at how AT has changed.
I know that there are a number of caring people, who have not posted or even visited here for awhile now, because of the behaviour of a few; who appear to use 'bullying tactics', as they are determined to have the 'last say' and are prepared to destroy anyone who wants any accountability from 3abn and the associated cohorts. People have pulled back from even visiting AT because of this behaviour.
Maybe, that's off topic here, but perhaps could be used to start another thread? And how do we reclaim those who have felt 'abused' by a very vocal minority?
Isn't one of the rules of this forum to be respectful of others? I would suggest that rule needs to be enforced very strictly. After a couple of examples of disrespect or hot-headed abuse, a week of posting privileges being suspended needs to be done. AFTER ONE MORE EXAMPLE of disrespect and abuse, permanently banned.
That's the way I would run this forum. No sense of letting rude, unruly, abusive posting take control and give stomach aches and stress.
BTW, Gailon and Bob, have you ever thought that the hot-headed disrespect posts aimed at you could be hoping your answers will reveal court strategies??
Snoopy, you do a wonderful job as a moderator....keep up the good work.......there are some very difficult posters here lately, some of which have totally changed Adventtalk as it was when I joined.......I never before felt such hostility and anger in some posters now...and to tell you the truth....I was so glad to see all this bashing end at other forums because of lawsuit threats.......only to see it infiltrate here.....and it is getting more and more like all the angered other forums were......I think you and all the moderators do a very good job dealing with the anger that is infiltrating into this forum.......We are all suppose to be SDA Christians......but some have lost sight of that............
Thanks again ..........may all have a Happy Sabbath !!!!!!
Now why are you going to go and say something like that, GRAT?