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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on April 21, 2013, 02:30:03 PM
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Hal Steenson has asked for prayer for Mollie, who is being treated for lung cancer at Loma Linda, cancer which has spread to her bones.
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Sincerely very sorry to hear this. Wouldn't wish this disease
on anyone.
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I really don't get it, but over on that other site, "Truth" used my post above to slam me. "Truth" said,
Pickle can't even get his facts straight about Mollie.
Pickle and Joy are such poor gossips, oh excuse me, "reporters" that nearly everything they say is so skewed one can hardly find a grain of truth in it anymore. God help their souls.
Hal Steenson had emailed all the prayer warriors the following:
I am sending this for my wife. Please pray for Mollie Sue Steenson. She is currently at Loma Linda Hospital undergoing Chemo treatments. She has lung cancer (recently found) and it has metastasized to her bones.
I wrote:
Hal Steenson has asked for prayer for Mollie, who is being treated for lung cancer at Loma Linda, cancer which has spread to her bones.
Can anyone detect the least little inaccuracy in what I wrote?
Is "Truth" perturbed that I wrote "Loma Linda" instead of "Loma Linda Hospital," or "spread" instead of "metastasized"?
What really is the problem?
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Bob, "TRUTH" is so factually challenged "TRUTH" can't find it's way back here to answer, nor do they give any definitive specifics on anything...in fact they are TRUTHLESS!!! And ALL TOO FREQUENTLY WRONG!!!
I would not waste my time responding to an OXYMORON!!!
G.Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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When Mollie had x-rays after the auto accident where she and Hal were involved, they found evidence of the cancer. It is in her lungs and bones----stage 4.
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The following was posted on the 3ABN website under news:
http://3abn.org/news/prayers-requested-for-mollie-steenson/ (http://3abn.org/news/prayers-requested-for-mollie-steenson/)
Mollie Steenson, 3ABN’s Vice President and General Manager, has been diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer in the bones and lungs. Although modern medicine currently offers no cure, we are highly encouraged that this condition can be contained through systemic treatment. Mollie is focusing on living well with cancer, rather than dying with cancer. She looks forward to returning to work and serving the Lord for many years to come.
3ABN President and CEO, Jim Gilley, says that the tremendous outpouring of love and prayers for Mollie from our worldwide audience has been amazing, and that 3ABN leadership and staff joined him in a day of prayer and fasting last Friday on her behalf.
“Although the doctors have said there is no cure, they do believe there is containment,” he says, “and as far as we’re concerned, containment until the Lord comes is a cure!
“Please continue to pray for Mollie,” he adds. “We miss her, and look forward to her return, soon!”
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So Hal was mistaken that it was lung cancer? Then maybe "Truth" really can find fault with me for passing on "gossip" I got from my source, Hal Steenson, husband of the afflicted one.
"Systemic treatment" must refer to the chemo.
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Too bad that the one person who probably could help Mollie, she had kicked off of 3ABN. I'm talking about Danny Vierra. Instead, she should be calling him for help on how to treat her cancer. She had no help from the resident lapdog, uh, I mean "doctor" Walter Thompson. What a quack!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ldm/message/9500
I feel sorry for Mollie. Failing divine intervention, the "doctors" will poison or burn her body, and what can be expected after that??????
Amazing how the "counteracting the counterfeit" has become "condoning the counterfeit (medicine) i.e. chemo".
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If I may for a second, I think this is pure pettiness from BOTH sides. Who cares what kind of cancer it is? The fact is she has it and cancer is horrible. Now, you can go back and forth all day about this, but what good is that going to do? Perhaps we can ALL grow up a little and pray for her? Lets at least try to act some what mature.....
And SDAminister, your post is mind boggling and unbelievable, to use this thread to attack with that...So childish....
I don't post over here often anymore as I have no need too. But, come on people.....give the woman a break. ::)
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it's a shame that asking for prayer for someone's tragedy evokes such irrelevent hostility. very sad.
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it's a shame that asking for prayer for someone's tragedy evokes such irrelevent hostility. very sad.
We just wish that Mollie would accept Seventh-day Adventist teaching on health and not use chemotherapy.
"On one occasion Christ anointed the eyes of a blind man with clay and bade him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam.... He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.” John 9:7. The cure could be wrought only by the power of the Great Healer, yet Christ made use of the simple agencies of nature. While He did not give countenance to drug medication, He sanctioned the use of simple and natural remedies." MH 233
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The same quote can be found in DA 824 where it is prefaced with these words: "In the Saviour's manner of healing there were lessons for His
disciples." And the chapter is entitled, "Go Teach All Nations," so it is all about how we are to minister in this world of sin after Calvary and Pentecost.
I do not agree with the tone of SDAminister's first post. And this is a sensitive time, when someone has terminal cancer. But if the cancer is indeed terminal, it does seem odd to me to put one's faith in "systemic treatment," hoping for "containment," while at the same time calling for fasting and prayer. If we seek God's blessing, we shouldn't simultaneously violate His expressed will, lest we fall into presumption.
It would then be a question of whether chemotherapy for terminal cancer is an exception to DA 824. Apparently, 3ABN isn't so sure that it is, or isn't so sure that their readers will think so. Otherwise, they would have said that Mollie was having "chemotherapy" rather than "systemic treatment."
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Some doctors use traditonal chemotherapy - attacking the cancer by poisoning the malignant cells and unfortunately poisoning healthy cells. But there are other newer treatments which are not necessarily toxic in the traditional sense. Some cancer feeds on hormones to thrive and grow. Some men with prostate cancer are physicaly castrated surgically. Some men choose not to be physically castrated but instead take medicines which shut down the production of hormones by the testes. Denied hormones, the cancer growth is slowed or the cancer shrinks at least for a time. In some men this treatment is enough to contain the cancer so that they die with cancer but not of cancer. They die of old age.
In females with breast cancer their cancer may feed and grow because of hormones and similarly the doctors may use treatments that prevent the cancer from using these hormones. There are other treatments which interfere with the pathways used by various cancers to grow or to spread. http://www.genome.jp/kegg/pathway/hsa/hsa05200.html
Danny's mother died from cancer and I believe she was encouraged to use non traditional treatment. Whether she followed it to the letter is questionable. Nevertheless her experience might cause those who observed the course of her illness and her death to be leery of alternative medicine. Just as others are leery of traditional medicine. Each cancer patient is a person with the privillege and responsibility of fighting the disease the best they can. Praying for you Mollie.
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I rarely post, but this has hit me exceptionally hard. Why are we publicly debating Mrs. Steenson's private choice of medical treatment? Isn't there a forum category called "Healthy Choices." This is only a personal choice that she can make for herself. You and I can't make that choice for her. I recognize I'm not an administrator and I recognize Elder Pickle taught me in college many years ago. I don't have any authority, yet could we please discuss our views of chemotherapy and natural remedies without judgment on somebody who needs our support, prayer, and love at this time? It seems we are grownup enough to talk about the pros and cons without using her name or situation.
I'm sorry for the pain she is suffering. May God comfort her and guide the physicians and family and Mrs. Steenson in choosing what therapy is best for her at this time.
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Whenever this comes up in whatever context, my concern is not only for the person who has been diagnosed but for those who may be diagnosed in the future and for their well being. I hope they will be educated enough to make good choices. I wish Mollie only the best. Her name was brought up by her husband and on the 3ABN website and by her many well wishers. She is a public figure. I mean her no disrespect by discussing what I have learned the hard way.
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RBF,
Earlier today I made the very same recommendation to the one who raised the question of the propriety of the treatment chosen.
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Whenever this comes up in whatever context, my concern is not only for the person who has been diagnosed but for those who may be diagnosed in the future and for their well being. I hope they will be educated enough to make good choices. I wish Mollie only the best. Her name was brought up by her husband and on the 3ABN website and by her many well wishers. She is a public figure. I mean her no disrespect by discussing what I have learned the hard way.
Please understand I am not trying to be harsh. By nature, I'm a lurker. I've read nearly everything posted on this forum and have only spoken a few times. My issue is not in requesting prayer for her publicly as it has already been requested elsewhere publicly. My issue is in the public judgment of her choice of treatment. Let's not use her choice of treatment as an opportunity to criticize or vilify her or those for whom she works. If we sincerely wish her well, pray. If we aren't comfortable praying for her, keep silent and plead to God for your own soul to never face her trial.
I digress. My emotions are tangled in a web. I'm still in recovery from an emergency surgery. I stand condemned in this very thread. Please, we live in a world of sin which has left some of us with bodies more riddled with hereditary and cultivated health issues. Let's lift each other up in prayer and believe the best in each other.
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Praying that you will have healing of body and mind. Lord bless you.
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Perhaps the saddest thing is that apparently those at 3ABN don't believe that God can heal Mollie. Why is that? President Jim Gilley repeated the doctors by saying "there is no cure". Is that accurate?
"And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if you will, you can make me clean." Matthew 8:2
Talk about handcuffing God! If they don't believe any kind of cure is possible, then what are they praying for?
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I was taken to task for the tone of my first post on this topic. Maybe those concerns were valid. Maybe it was a knee-jerk reaction on my part (Although everything I said was truthful).
It's difficult though, you see. Because Mollie is one of the central figures in the scandals at 3ABN. To be honest, it's tough to feel compassion for her because I know how her actions have caused untold damage to the health, finances, familial relationships, careers of Pickle, Joy.
And yet, it's the call of the Christian to "...Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" Matt 5:44
And so, I pray for them that have done so.....
Healing starts with making oneself right with God, and one's fellow man. Perhaps this is what we should pray for Mollie.
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Perhaps the saddest thing is that apparently those at 3ABN don't believe that God can heal Mollie. Why is that? President Jim Gilley repeated the doctors by saying "there is no cure". Is that accurate?
I doubt that 3ABN/Jim Gilley is expressing disbelief in God's ability to heal her. As to doctors? They, quite likely, have exhausted their resources if they are unbelievers.
It may not be God's will to heal her. If so, showing her the face of Jesus and His everlasting love will help her to prepare to face death. It is God who brings repentance and the necessary heart work to any of us. May God be her comfort in this trial.
Healing starts with making oneself right with God, and one's fellow man. Perhaps this is what we should pray for Mollie.
While I agree that healing takes place when one makes their lives right with God, on the same account, it begins before my action. It is God working in and through you that enables that healing. This isn't likely the place for me to expound, so I'll try to keep it brief. God healed me fourteen months ago from what appeared to be MS. It wasn't my making myself right with Him. It was the work of the Holy Spirit drawing me. He revealed Himself in a very personal way. It was this that lead to repentance. May it not only be true for Mrs. Steenson, but let it be true in our lives too.
I appreciate your openness to this being difficult for you. It is difficult. Just remember..."The prayer of THE Righteous One avails much." If He can pray for me, I can surely pray for her.
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Cancer can be cured through a special type of diet geared to allow the body to heal itself of cancer.
I know two people who were completely cured of prostate cancer through a special type of diet alone. One of these two people tried the traditional chemo therapy and radiation treatment two different times, but decided on the special diet when told that he would need more intensive traditional treatment. Instead of going back into remission, he was declared to be completely cancer free.
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Any updates regarding Molly?
Thanks!
Maggie
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I just tried to find out something, but wasn't able to. Sorry.
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Any updates regarding Molly?
Thanks!
Maggie
I heard that Mollie has completed her treatments at Loma Linda and has returned home this week. The word is that the doctors are satisfied with the results so far. Although she returned to work for a few hours, her greater need is for rest and recovery. She continues to need our prayers.
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Thank you for the update! I'm glad the news is good, at least for now.
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Thanks for the update! Will keep her in my prayers.
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Is there an update on Mollie now?
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Is there an update on Mollie now?
I don't have one. Wish I did. Someone could call 3ABN and ask.
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maybe someone will :)
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I saw Mollie on 3ABN's Christmas special (I think that's what it was). She looks well and seemed to be doing fine.