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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: guide4him on April 07, 2008, 09:06:46 PM
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I was asked to request friends of Linda Shelton to join in prayer :praying: for her. Satan's forces are working hard.
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guide4him
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What's up?
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That is what I am wondering, but didn't know whether or not I should ask.
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Whatever difficulties Linda is facing right now, I pray that our Almighty God will intervene to use the situation for His glory and bring Linda through it stronger than ever before. May He uphold her by His Almighty arm.
Inga
I was asked to request friends of Linda Shelton to join in prayer :praying: for her. Satan's forces are working hard.
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guide4him
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Whatever difficulties Linda is facing right now, I pray that our Almighty God will intervene to use the situation for His glory and bring Linda through it stronger than ever before. May He uphold her by His Almighty arm.
Inga
AMEN!
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I add my Amen to Inga's prayerful post. :praying:
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Praying for Linda also.
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Praying for Linda also.
Linda ran into and survived a killer bees nest in Walla Walla and the killer bees included Walt Thompson, Merlin Fjarli and Garwin McNeilus. Those boys need a good come-upance and its a comin up!!!
More to say at the RIGHT time!!!
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Linda more then survived! It was a weekend of miracles! Yes, MIRACLES - the real deal! God is so good! He blessed Linda abundantly and more then you can imagine, He blessed the gathering that came to worship Him, and He blessed Mr. Farjli as well I'm sure. We need to (keep) praying for those that persecute all those who stand for what's right and for truth. I believe that God will when, it's not if, it's only win, and even though the battle by satan goes on, God is already winning! Anytime one of God's own take a stand against wrong of any kind, God is praised, lifted up and our faith blossoms! God gives us the strength to stand up, and when we chose to stand, He makes us stronger in Him, and satans forces are defeated! We need a whole lot more of that! Praise God from whom all blessings flow!
No matter what man does, God WILL have His way. :praying:
Praying for Linda also.
Linda ran into and survived a killer bees nest in Walla Walla and the killer bees included Walt Thompson, Merlin Fjarli and Garwin McNeilus. Those boys need a good come-upance and its a comin up!!!
More to say at the RIGHT time!!!
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"Praise God from whom all blessings flow..." but when are "blessings" the machinations of haughty, non-repentant, ego-centric and arrogant human spirits and not the results of God's eternal efforts to honor those who serve him. If one is "blessed" with enough money one can afford to "bless" a ministry for a long time. TBN must be incredibly "blessed"!!!
The Federal Reserve Board saved Bear Stearns from certain annihilation...Bear Stearns was centrist in the predatory lending schemes that have resulted in so many homes collapsing financially and made billions in the five years that they made predatory loans available to hundreds of thousands of American Homes, but the Fed decided it was too big to fall...was
this a "blessing" of God??? Or simply the machinations of man determined to facilitate self preservation at any cost?
I am still struck at just how hypocritical it is to claim to be righteous, to claim that we should forgive and move on, yet hatred and virulence comes from every action toward the one Danny, now Gilley, and that 3ABN Board pretend to protect, Linda Sue Shelton. If that was the case, Why was it essential to
1) eradicate the name of Linda from 3ABN Presents,
2)to strike her name from every document and every credit,
3) including corporate documents,
long before she was purportedly terminated?
And why is it essential to make every effort to prevent her from conducting ministry these nearly four years later??? What possible or perceived threat could she be to 3ABN, its officers and directors???
Many of Danny's issues are well known to Gilley and the 3ABN Board and why has he not been terminated? Why have they clung to the man that is clearly the "magnetically" responsible party for business decision made that resulted in a failed Tax Appeal case? Why would you cling to the man that made the business decisions that may be responsible for the IRS Criminal Investigation? Why would you cling to the man known to be what McKee best descibed as a "lightning rod" for opposition?
Why is it that Linda Shelton is still the central theme when bad news befalls this ministry...the theme that it is all Linda's fault rings down those hallowed halls perpetually...a source told me of a recent conversation with the Pastor of the Thompsonville church trying to convince the source that Linda was the master-mind behind an effort to destroy 3ABN, she has mislead her friends (despite the evidence) and she is behind every evil befalling 3ABN and this pastor actually went so far as to propose that the IRS Investigators were just Linda supporters impersonating Revenue Officers...just how deluded, just how blind to reality can these poor souls be??? When will the great deception they are mucked up in become apparent? Will it be in time to avert greater disaster? And what happened to the premise that "if God be with you, who can be against you???"
People, has it occured to you that three credentialed SDA ministers sat on the 3ABN board in late January and February when they voted "unanimously" to litigate rather than pursue an ecclesiastical tribunal? And one of these men is the Illinois Conference President; The very same man that was warned, IN NOVEMBER 2006, that we had solid evidence of an IRS Criminal Investigation. He promptly called Walt Thompson who called Ewing and then arrogantly virtually dismissed the warning...can you imagine the difference it would have made if any one of them had simply made contact with the investigator rather than live in the delusion the WE did not know what we were talking about?
The issue is clearly a severe case of self inflicted blinders disease. Until they take them off, it is unlikely we will see the changes that need to be made. Linda, in their deluded minds, will remain the evil person that is responsible for 3ABN's various symptoms.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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People, has it occured to you that three credentialed SDA ministers sat on the 3ABN board in late January and February when they voted "unanimously" to litigate rather than pursue an ecclesiastical tribunal?
I would prefer to believe that Kenneth Denslow and Wintley Phipps did not vote for a retaliatory lawsuit against two Seventh-day Adventists who blew the whistle over Danny Shelton's cover up of child molestation allegations, especially since Walt Thompson had personally asked one of those whistle blowers to verify what he had told him.
Is Larry Welch the third one you are thinking of? If so, is he credentialed?
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I've got a question. If some folks think it is all right to cover up child molestation allegations and allow the alleged perpetrator to continue in his position, why do they feel it their duty to expose an alleged adulteress and get rid of her in short order?
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I've got a question. If some folks think it is all right to cover up child molestation allegations and allow the alleged perpetrator to continue in his position, why do they feel it their duty to expose an alleged adulteress and get rid of her in short order?
I don't think this type of reasoning is all that complicated. Most here I believe have children. We raised eight children.
With that many children, one or more always seemed to be in mischief.
Their first line of defense when confronted with their wrongdoing was to try to quickly shift the focus from their little indescretion to the major one of their sibling they were sure I would see as more important.
Remember Linda Tripp. She suddenly became the focus, rather than the escapades of a very immoral president. The man that would care so little for his wife and child and humiliate them before the world, lie under oath as our president was of little concern. It was the one that protected herself and alerted the world to the thruth.
That was the really reprehensible act.
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Interesting, Bonnie.
We've got Dryden's concern in the first half of 2003 about Tommy. And Roger Clem coming forward before that. Anything in the last half of 2003 about Tommy?
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I would have no idea. Haven't had contact with any that would know.
My observation is based on what I have read and what has always been the script while dealing with any issue of abuse.
Begin to explore abuse issues, ways to prevent and educate, giving people the tools to bring much of this to an end, the immediate leap and focus becomes forgivness and the sins of those wishing to see something done and be a part of that.
All focus is taken off the real issue and clouded and twisted to reflect the sins and unforgivness of those working for change. Simply reminds me of my kids. If they could get me to focus on their sibling and the siblings much worse sin,they just might escape accountibility and full expousure of their own.
Didn't work well in our house
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Please see my post elsewhere here at Atalk:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php?topic=232.msg2445#msg2445
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Please see my post elsewhere here at Atalk:
That link didn't work for me. Try copying the link from the graphic to the left of the subject of the post in question. That gives:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php?topic=232.msg2445#msg2445 (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php?topic=232.msg2445#msg2445)
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Thank you. I generally check my links but failed to this time. I have corrected it.
Ima
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I've got a question. If some folks think it is all right to cover up child molestation allegations and allow the alleged perpetrator to continue in his position, why do they feel it their duty to expose an alleged adulteress and get rid of her in short order?
Good question Bob. Beats me! :scratch: :dunno:
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Well, I could always open the 3ABN section on BSDA for a free flowing and public discussion. But then on second thought, I don’t think so.
And why not? Is Freedom of Speech dead there as well?
Gailon Arthur Joy
Nope, going to continue to sit this one out. I’ve had my turn, was the lead 3ABN forum long enough. I am very content to let Daryl have it and just be a spectator and occasion poster.
Speaking of which, I notice they have not issued a new subpoena to BlackSDA yet. Must be too busy preparing their purported lawsuite against Linda Shelton.
On the other hand, now that we have a confidentiality agreement and they must produce everything, they may be busy revamping their process for going forward and deciding just how much they can get away with holding back on yet again.
Then, maybe they are busy with both. Wonder if ian could enlighten us.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Well, I could always open the 3ABN section on BSDA for a free flowing and public discussion. But then on second thought, I don’t think so.
And why not? Is Freedom of Speech dead there as well?
Gailon Arthur Joy
Nope, going to continue to sit this one out. I’ve had my turn, was the lead 3ABN forum long enough. I am very content to let Daryl have it and just be a spectator and occasion poster.
Speaking of which, I notice they have not issued a new subpoena to BlackSDA yet. Must be too busy preparing their purported lawsuite against Linda Shelton.
On the other hand, now that we have a confidentiality agreement and they must produce everything, they may be busy revamping their process for going forward and deciding just how much they can get away with holding back on yet again.
Then, maybe they are busy with both. Wonder if ian could enlighten us.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Can you explain more about their purported lawsuit against Linda Shelton, Gailon?
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I am told that Linda shelton has been informed by a person that has been communication with both sides that 3ABN intends to file suite against Linda Shelton. Reliability of the information is unknown.
I can tell you that such a strike would prove quite self-destructive as Linda Shelton has so many torts to counterclaim that it would keep a Lawyer busy for a week preparing just the counterclaims and preparing the appropriate motions to stop 3ABN, its officers and directors from interfering in known contractural relationships. In my opinion, given the torts and the evidence it could be a
$100Million dollar case for the right team, with punitive damages.
We are currently investigating another "cancelled" concert in Florida to determine if we can pick up additional proof of interference here as well. Documentation is building quite nicely and these crusaders feel they are doing Linda a favor by keeping her from Ministry. Have to wonder what they are worried about?
In any event, in time they will have plenty to worry about. Going to be a lot of rich lawyers.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Why is it that Linda Shelton is still the central theme when bad news befalls this ministry...the theme that it is all Linda's fault rings down those hallowed halls perpetually...a source told me of a recent conversation with the Pastor of the Thompsonville church trying to convince the source that Linda was the master-mind behind an effort to destroy 3ABN, she has mislead her friends (despite the evidence) and she is behind every evil befalling 3ABN and this pastor actually went so far as to propose that the IRS Investigators were just Linda supporters impersonating Revenue Officers...
That's just incredible!
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I am told that Linda shelton has been informed by a person that has been communication with both sides that 3ABN intends to file suite against Linda Shelton. Reliability of the information is unknown.
I can tell you that such a strike would prove quite self-destructive as Linda Shelton has so many torts to counterclaim that it would keep a Lawyer busy for a week preparing just the counterclaims and preparing the appropriate motions to stop 3ABN, its officers and directors from interfering in known contractural relationships. In my opinion, given the torts and the evidence it could be a
$100Million dollar case for the right team, with punitive damages.
We are currently investigating another "cancelled" concert in Florida to determine if we can pick up additional proof of interference here as well. Documentation is building quite nicely and these crusaders feel they are doing Linda a favor by keeping her from Ministry. Have to wonder what they are worried about?
In any event, in time they will have plenty to worry about. Going to be a lot of rich lawyers.
Gailon Arthur Joy
You mean that you are investigating cancelled events? I had no idea!
However, I'm very happy to hear that you are looking into it...
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We are currently investigating another "cancelled" concert in Florida to determine if we can pick up additional proof of interference here as well. Documentation is building quite nicely and these crusaders feel they are doing Linda a favor by keeping her from Ministry. Have to wonder what they are worried about?
In any event, in time they will have plenty to worry about. Going to be a lot of rich lawyers.
Gailon Arthur Joy
You mean that you are investigating cancelled events? I had no idea!
However, I'm very happy to hear that you are looking into it...
Is there anything that they won't do to try to stop Linda? :dunno: Glad to know that you are following through with it.
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Can you explain more about their purported lawsuit against Linda Shelton, Gailon?
We are currently investigating another "cancelled" concert in Florida to determine if we can pick up additional proof of interference here as well. Documentation is building quite nicely and these crusaders feel they are doing Linda a favor by keeping her from Ministry. Have to wonder what they are worried about. But, in time they will have plenty to worry about.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Another? Is there any boundary that they will stop at or don't they understand what a boundary is?
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I have merged posts from two other topics about Linda Shelton into this one.
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Can you explain more about their purported lawsuit against Linda Shelton, Gailon?
We are currently investigating another "cancelled" concert in Florida to determine if we can pick up additional proof of interference here as well. Documentation is building quite nicely and these crusaders feel they are doing Linda a favor by keeping her from Ministry. Have to wonder what they are worried about. But, in time they will have plenty to worry about.
Gailon Arthur Joy
It is profoundly clear they feel their actions are sanctified and, yes, very seriously believe they are doing linda Sue Shelton a favor by preventing her from re-entering ministry. These are the thoughts of cultish reactionaries that simply cannot grasp the reality.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Another? Is there any boundary that they will stop at or don't they understand what a boundary is?
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I modified the above post to separate the latest post from the others. . .
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Can you explain more about their purported lawsuit against Linda Shelton, Gailon?
We are currently investigating another "cancelled" concert in Florida to determine if we can pick up additional proof of interference here as well. Documentation is building quite nicely and these crusaders feel they are doing Linda a favor by keeping her from Ministry. Have to wonder what they are worried about. But, in time they will have plenty to worry about.
Gailon Arthur Joy
It is profoundly clear they feel their actions are sanctified and, yes, very seriously believe they are doing linda Sue Shelton a favor by preventing her from re-entering ministry. These are the thoughts of cultish reactionaries that simply cannot grasp the reality.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Has someone actually expressed the sentiment that it is not in Linda Shelton's best interests to reenter her ministry???
I wonder if that could be one of those politically correct statements that sometimes hides the person's or organization's other, more important, motives.
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In fact, rumor has it that at least one of Linda's inner circle were of a similar feeling. They seem to have had the premise that Linda still had not healed from the psychological abuse of 20 years with Danny Lee Shelton and should take time and avoid conflict while she received extensive counselling and acheived healing.
I am of the camp that says healing comes by focusing on ministry and getting going again.
Now, I rather doubt that the dark side thought of it in any of these terms. They just were determined to stop her from ministry...after all she is the source of all 3ABN's problems, therefore, she must be stopped before she is allowed to do further damage to the "Lord's Annointed".
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Can one wonder who is the Lord's "annointed"?
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In fact, rumor has it that at least one of Linda's inner circle were of a similar feeling. They seem to have had the premise that Linda still had not healed from the psychological abuse of 20 years with Danny Lee Shelton and should take time and avoid conflict while she received extensive counselling and acheived healing.
I am of the camp that says healing comes by focussing on ministry and getting going again.
Now, I rather doubt that the dark side thought of it in any of these terms. They just were determined to stop her from ministry...after all she is the source of all 3ABN's problems, therefore, she must be stopped before she is allowed to do further damage to the "Lord's Annointed".
Gailon Arthur Joy
Amen. It has been my experience that many times when someone says, "You need counseling" they really mean "You need to talk to someone who can convince you to see it my way." I agree that Linda's best healing will come from doing what God has called her to do, and letting Him work healing in her life.
My prayers are with all who are involved in this.
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In fact, rumor has it that at least one of Linda's inner circle were of a similar feeling. They seem to have had the premise that Linda still had not healed from the psychological abuse of 20 years with Danny Lee Shelton and should take time and avoid conflict while she received extensive counselling and acheived healing.
I am of the camp that says healing comes by focussing on ministry and getting going again.
Now, I rather doubt that the dark side thought of it in any of these terms. They just were determined to stop her from ministry...after all she is the source of all 3ABN's problems, therefore, she must be stopped before she is allowed to do further damage to the "Lord's Annointed".
Gailon Arthur Joy
I think that focusing on ministry would be the best antidote for abuse also.
Can it be that the constituents of the "dark side" have been convinced by the "annointed one" that Linda Shelton is the source of their problems?
I find it hard to believe that thinking people who have bothered to look into the situation at all would think that she had any part in doing something against them...only that they caused the problem themselves by what they did to her.
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It's what was done to Linda that opened up my eyes to the fact that something was rotten in the state of Denmark, to loosly quote something from Shakespeare's Hamlet.
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It's what was done to Linda that opened up my eyes to the fact that something was rotten in the state of Denmark, to loosly quote something from Shakespeare's Hamlet.
Oh, my...quoting Shakespeare...did you know that in cultish 3ABN circles that crosses the line? You may be determined to be in the Linda Camp!!! May the faggot and the rack be your punishment!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I think that focusing on ministry would be the best antidote for abuse also.
Can it be that the constituents of the "dark side" have been convinced by the "annointed one" that Linda Shelton is the source of their problems?
I find it hard to believe that thinking people who have bothered to look into the situation at all would think that she had any part in doing something against them...only that they caused the problem themselves by what they did to her.
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It's what was done to Linda that opened up my eyes to the fact that something was rotten in the state of Denmark, to loosly quote something from Shakespeare's Hamlet.
Oh, my...quoting Shakespeare...did you know that in cultish 3ABN circles that crosses the line? You may be determined to be in the Linda Camp!!! May the faggot and the rack be your punishment!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
:ROFL: :hamster: :ROFL:
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It's what was done to Linda that opened up my eyes to the fact that something was rotten in the state of Denmark, to loosly quote something from Shakespeare's Hamlet.
Not Denmark. Little Egypt. Should be a world of difference.
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For those who don't know, they think southern IL got the name Little Egypt after I think 1831, when crops failed big time because of cold weather. Frosts in May and a killing frost in September.
Folks traveling to southern IL after that to buy corn knew their Bibles and said that they were going down to Egypt, like Jacob's sons. The name stuck.
The city of Cairo on the IL/KY border was built later, they say.
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For those who don't know, they think southern IL got the name Little Egypt after I think 1831, when crops failed big time because of cold weather. Frosts in May and a killing frost in September.
Folks traveling to southern IL after that to buy corn knew their Bibles and said that they were going down to Egypt, like Jacob's sons. The name stuck.
The city of Cairo on the IL/KY border was built later, they say.
And so, Is Thompsonville a little Jerusalem?
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"August 3, 1861, I was shown that some have feared that our churches would become Babylon if they should organize; but those in central New York have been perfect Babylon, confusion." (1T 270)
Of course, the term "Babylon" primarily refers to systems that teach particular doctrines, but it is interesting that Adventist churches in New York were so full of confusion that Ellen White applied the term as an adjective to those churches.
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And how did we get from the Nile to the Euphrates...is Thompsonville that confusing? Now, if one is headed Up the Nile Southbound, to get to the Euphrates one would have to take a Left turn. Is that what happened here?
Good grief, do you have any idea what happened to Babylon? The implications are profound.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I am of the camp that says healing comes by focussing on ministry and getting going again.
I agree that Linda's best healing will come from doing what God has called her to do, and letting Him work healing in her life.
My prayers are with all who are involved in this.
And I agree with both of you. May God be with Linda! :praying:
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Has Linda had any invites lately to sing anywhere?
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Has Linda had any invites lately to sing anywhere?
Linda has had invites to sing and they will increase with time.
In fact, 3ABN has served her and "Invited her to SING" but not the gospels tunes she is so well known for. At least they are hoping she will sing...but much to their chagrin she does not have much to sing about!!! At least nothing they really want to hear. What is the statement that Marine Colonel is so well known for: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!".
I would guess it will be something along those lines.
Linda is now forced to hire yet another lawyer and to defend herself. The Good News is this time there will be due process!!! She will finally get her day in court!!! She will finally get to see the illusory evidence, if it exists.
Let's see, what does Linda have for potential torts? Well, let's start with defamation, slander, malicious interference with a contractural relationship, stalking, conspiracy...hm-m-m-m-m...any other ideas?
Why don't we have Grandma Nettie ask her friend if she could add to this...or does she have a conflict? Really could use some help here???
If Linda is wise, she will make Danny Loyalist and 3ABN Chairman Dr. Walter Thompson, Suite-happy politico Garwin McNeilus and Danny supporter and funder Merlin Fjarli rue the day they picked up the phone to call the Walla Walla four!!!
And how about the day four years ago when they bounced her out behind her back??? I wish nightmares on them all. They deserve a very bad dream, or two or three, etc!!!.
Stay tuned as it gets interesting from here!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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The Linda being served aspect have all been merged into one topic, therefore, let us all try and only discuss this there.
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Has Linda had any invites lately to sing anywhere?
Yes, she has. That concert will take place in Florida where she and her fellow singers will be a week from now. The concert will be in a Lutheran Church. More information on where and when will be given later. Why not plan now to be there next weekend?
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Why in a Lutheran church, not that it matters, as I actually think it is good? :)
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Why in a Lutheran church, not that it matters, as I actually think it is good? :)
A lot more room, little chance for controversy and almost impossible to maliciously interfere.
Of course, Whintley Phipps could pop over and get a first hand view and give a first hand report.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Why in a Lutheran church, not that it matters, as I actually think it is good? :)
A lot more room, little chance for controversy and almost impossible to maliciously interfere.
Of course, Whintley Phipps could pop over and get a first hand view and give a first hand report.
Gailon Arthur Joy
He might even sing "Lawd, What a Mawnin" !
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Why in a Lutheran church, not that it matters, as I actually think it is good? :)
A lot more room, little chance for controversy and almost impossible to maliciously interfere.
Of course, Whintley Phipps could pop over and get a first hand view and give a first hand report.
Gailon Arthur Joy
He might even sing "Lawd, What a Mawnin" !
Touche'
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Why in a Lutheran church, not that it matters, as I actually think it is good? :)
A lot more room, little chance for controversy and almost impossible to maliciously interfere.
Of course, Whintley Phipps could pop over and get a first hand view and give a first hand report.
Gailon Arthur Joy
He might even sing "Lawd, What a Mawnin" !
Touche'
Love this! :dogwag: