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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 21, 2008, 07:59:05 PM
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Worldwide Televangelism Satellite Broadcast Network looks for Chief Financial Officer to replace dedicated CFO headed for the mountains of Canada. New CFO must not be willing to challenge the income and the expense account of the founder, but must be willing to keep in check the pathetic incomes and chump change expense accounts of all the other staff, including new CEO.
Compensation is stipend of peanuts motivated by missionary zeal. No bonus for dealing with outstanding State of Illinois Challenge to Land Tax exemption, Federal IRS Criminal Investigation and outstanding Federal EEOC investigation, all of which may require dealing with Millions in contingent liabilities as a result of the founders purported prior maladministration.
Must be committed to keeping all documents under seal and away from defendants in ongoing litigation with ecclesiastical journalists attempting to uncover, document and publish the truth regarding:
1) The way the Founder, Officers and The Directors allegedly dealt with the founders ex-wife and a co-founder;
2) Evidence the founder undertook to allegedly and secretly privately inure himself with the help of donor funds;
3) Evidence the Founder allegedly colluded to cover-up and employ unemployable brother and former COG Pastor frequently facing allegation of pedophilia activity in multiple jurisdictions.
All the allegations are purportedly sour grape complaints from disgruntled former employees!!!
Must also be willing to forget dealing with allegations of GAAP violations in accounting systems, financial management and financial transaction systems.
No need for alarm as Founder and Chairman repeatedly assert that auditors, attorneys and board have found operations and books to be clean as a whistle (Whistle size, type and location is irrelevant as long as it is not blown or disclosed). Will never allow GC Auditing department to audit books!!!
Only applicants willing to consider compromising personal convictions need apply!!!
All replies should include curriculum vitae, resume of work history and itemization of any held personal convictions that may prove problematic. Qualified applicants will be forwarded to founder for consideration (do not waste time contacting CEO or General Manager). Direct all inquiries to AUReporter@Aureporter.com
attn: Gailon Arthur Joy
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Please help with acronym. Is this some type of executive compensation?
GAAP: Grossly Augmented Annual Payments??
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Please help with acronym. Is this some type of executive compensation?
GAAP: Grossly Augmented Annual Payments??
:o :ROFL: :thumbsup:
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Please help with acronym. Is this some type of executive compensation?
GAAP: Grossly Augmented Annual Payments??
Touche'!!!
GAJ
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Still confused. Could it be...
Gladly Accept Appreciated Property...??? :dunno:
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Nope. I just had a dream. Here is the definition:
Greedy Anointed-one Acquires Pension
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Gailon...
Any news on who the lucky new CFO might be?
Worldwide Televangelism Satellite Broadcast Network looks for Chief Financial Officer to replace dedicated CFO headed for the mountains of Canada. New CFO must not be willing to challenge the income and the expense account of the founder, but must be willing to keep in check the pathetic incomes and chump change expense accounts of all the other staff, including new CEO.
Compensation is stipend of peanuts motivated by missionary zeal. No bonus for dealing with outstanding State of Illinois Challenge to Land Tax exemption, Federal IRS Criminal Investigation and outstanding Federal EEOC investigation, all of which may require dealing with Millions in contingent liabilities as a result of the founders purported prior maladministration.
Must be committed to keeping all documents under seal and away from defendants in ongoing litigation with ecclesiastical journalists attempting to uncover, document and publish the truth regarding:
1) The way the Founder, Officers and The Directors allegedly dealt with the founders ex-wife and a co-founder;
2) Evidence the founder undertook to allegedly and secretly privately inure himself with the help of donor funds;
3) Evidence the Founder allegedly colluded to cover-up and employ unemployable brother and former COG Pastor frequently facing allegation of pedophilia activity in multiple jurisdictions.
All the allegations are purportedly sour grape complaints from disgruntled former employees!!!
Must also be willing to forget dealing with allegations of GAAP violations in accounting systems, financial management and financial transaction systems.
No need for alarm as Founder and Chairman repeatedly assert that auditors, attorneys and board have found operations and books to be clean as a whistle (Whistle size, type and location is irrelevant as long as it is not blown or disclosed). Will never allow GC Auditing department to audit books!!!
Only applicants willing to consider compromising personal convictions need apply!!!
All replies should include curriculum vitae, resume of work history and itemization of any held personal convictions that may prove problematic. Qualified applicants will be forwarded to founder for consideration (do not waste time contacting CEO or General Manager). Direct all inquiries to AUReporter@Aureporter.com
attn: Gailon Arthur Joy
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Seems like Appletree indicated the return to Canada was only a temporary measure due to his wife's visa problems.
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I think I remember that too, Johann. But what I don't understand is if she has a visa problem, why doesn't he? Didn't they come to the U.S. together?
Seems like Appletree indicated the return to Canada was only a temporary measure due to his wife's visa problems.
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That is what I've been wondering too, Snoopy.
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Hey! Nice avatar, Johann! Is that you??
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Ask Ida. I got the picture from her. Don't forget: Innocent until proven guilty!!!
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I think I remember that too, Johann. But what I don't understand is if she has a visa problem, why doesn't he? Didn't they come to the U.S. together?
I believe that any reasonable person would ask that same question.
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Seems like Appletree indicated the return to Canada was only a temporary measure due to his wife's visa problems.
It is so temporary, he has taken a position with his old firm as a chartered accountant. And he has proposed a person to replace himself. No word on whether that person has been hired.
I have yet to receive the first resume' from the Help Wanted Ad. Go figure!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Nope. I just had a dream. Here is the definition:
Greedy Anointed-one Acquires Pension
Ha-ha-ha Snoopy! That's a good one!
And from a dream, too...very appropriate! After all, dreams and visions do reveal important information when it comes to 3ABN matters, as we have learned on national television...
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I think I remember that too, Johann. But what I don't understand is if she has a visa problem, why doesn't he? Didn't they come to the U.S. together?
Well, I have a visa problem, and my hubby doesn't. Nothing strange about that at all.
I believe it would be wise for us who believe ourselves to be on the side of justice and morality to observe the Golden Rule.
I know it's difficult in a situation like this, but I also believe it's worth a bit of effort. :)
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It is good to get that explanation.
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I think I remember that too, Johann. But what I don't understand is if she has a visa problem, why doesn't he? Didn't they come to the U.S. together?
Well, I have a visa problem, and my hubby doesn't. Nothing strange about that at all.
Thank you for that Inga. One would expect that both halves of a couple would be in the same classification, so thank you for that.
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I wasn't trying to cast aspersions, Inga - just asking a simple question and trying to understand the situation. I know nothing about visas and how they work, so perhaps you could enlighten me with a bit more detail. If two people are both Canadian (I am assuming that about the Ewings) but plan to move to and work in the U.S. concurrently, what might cause one to have a problem and one to not? Is your situation similar to the Ewings?
I think I remember that too, Johann. But what I don't understand is if she has a visa problem, why doesn't he? Didn't they come to the U.S. together?
Well, I have a visa problem, and my hubby doesn't. Nothing strange about that at all.
I believe it would be wise for us who believe ourselves to be on the side of justice and morality to observe the Golden Rule.
I know it's difficult in a situation like this, but I also believe it's worth a bit of effort. :)
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I wasn't trying to cast aspersions, Inga - just asking a simple question and trying to understand the situation. I know nothing about visas and how they work, so perhaps you could enlighten me with a bit more detail. If two people are both Canadian (I am assuming that about the Ewings) but plan to move to and work in the U.S. concurrently, what might cause one to have a problem and one to not? Is your situation similar to the Ewings?
I have no idea whether or not my situation is similar. I'm a naturalized Canadian. My husband has dual citizenship. We have very different visa/passport problems. The country of origin makes a difference, and there may be other factors as well for others.
My husband can work in the US any time he chooses. By contrast, it is very difficult for me to get a working visa or green card. (Lots of hoops to jump through & significant legal fees. They wouldn't even let me visit him when he was in the US!!)
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I wasn't trying to cast aspersions, Inga - just asking a simple question and trying to understand the situation. I know nothing about visas and how they work, so perhaps you could enlighten me with a bit more detail. If two people are both Canadian (I am assuming that about the Ewings) but plan to move to and work in the U.S. concurrently, what might cause one to have a problem and one to not? Is your situation similar to the Ewings?
I have no idea whether or not my situation is similar. I'm a naturalized Canadian. My husband has dual citizenship. We have very different visa/passport problems. The country of origin makes a difference, and there may be other factors as well for others.
My husband can work in the US any time he chooses. By contrast, it is very difficult for me to get a working visa or green card. (Lots of hoops to jump through & significant legal fees. They wouldn't even let me visit him when he was in the US!!)
Our best information tells us that they both had expired visas in February and state that they did not want to deal with the Homeland security paperwork hassles.
Keep in mind, that if my department had given up thousands of documents and I were a CPA and clearly understood the implications that the filed paperwork tells, versus what the book-keeping will demonstrate to the IRS regarding the founders unchallenged use of credit card, cash advances, purchase of Founders Books, pamphlets, records that resulted in undisclosed royalties to the founder, then mix in the gifts to family members, etc and the e-bay questions; And I had a pretty good idea that I would be the scapegoat for whatever comes of all this investigative process; I believe i would prefer a quiet retirement in the Canadian Rockies. Certainly beats dealing with the rocky road ahead to which he would be a critical player.
And, frankly, he ought to have moved on a long time ago; and would be, and is, justified in doing so. I have heard that Larry Ewing is a fine example of a sincere missionary minded, dedicated Seventh-day Adventist chief financial officer that is a joy to work with. An outstanding example of christianity that simply let the founder go along to get along as he wanted...not to mention he was severely overworked and underpaid for the services provided. And, he was not even a member of the board??? Don't you wonder why??? Clearly not in the best interest of the founder to have an honest CFO reporting directly to the board.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Hey! Nice avatar, Johann! Is that you??
Johann! How handsome!
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I wasn't trying to cast aspersions, Inga - just asking a simple question and trying to understand the situation. I know nothing about visas and how they work, so perhaps you could enlighten me with a bit more detail. If two people are both Canadian (I am assuming that about the Ewings) but plan to move to and work in the U.S. concurrently, what might cause one to have a problem and one to not? Is your situation similar to the Ewings?
I have no idea whether or not my situation is similar. I'm a naturalized Canadian. My husband has dual citizenship. We have very different visa/passport problems. The country of origin makes a difference, and there may be other factors as well for others.
My husband can work in the US any time he chooses. By contrast, it is very difficult for me to get a working visa or green card. (Lots of hoops to jump through & significant legal fees. They wouldn't even let me visit him when he was in the US!!)
Our best information tells us that they both had expired visas in February and state that they did not want to deal with the Homeland security paperwork hassles.
Keep in mind, that if my department had given up thousands of documents and I were a CPA and clearly understood the implications that the filed paperwork tells, versus what the book-keeping will demonstrate to the IRS regarding the founders unchallenged use of credit card, cash advances, purchase of Founders Books, pamphlets, records that resulted in undisclosed royalties to the founder, then mix in the gifts to family members, etc and the e-bay questions; And I had a pretty good idea that I would be the scapegoat for whatever comes of all this investigative process; I believe i would prefer a quiet retirement in the Canadian Rockies. Certainly beats dealing with the rocky road ahead to which he would be a critical player.
And, frankly, he ought to have moved on a long time ago; and would be, and is, justified in doing so. I have heard that Larry Ewing is a fine example of a sincere missionary minded, dedicated Seventh-day Adventist chief financial officer that is a joy to work with. An outstanding example of christianity that simply let the founder go along to get along as he wanted...not to mention he was severely overworked and underpaid for the services provided. And, he was not even a member of the board??? Don't you wonder why??? Clearly not in the best interest of the founder to have an honest CFO reporting directly to the board.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Thanks for clarifying that CFO information, Gailon.
It's nice to hear some nice things about Larry Ewing!
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I just saw Larry Ewing on a repeat of last Thursday's 3ABN Today Live as the 3ABN Director of Finance.
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I guess he hasn't left yet, however, from the discussion he is still leaving.
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Is there any update on the CFO situation?
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Is there any update on the CFO situation?
Yeah, they are still looking and "it" has another mess: They lost the Illinois Tax Exemption appeal. Will have to come with half a million to cover back taxes. Sounds like what they need is a development director / fund raiser.
Links thanks to Bob- Lord only knows how they work!!!
http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-property-tax-appeal-decision-03-31-08.htm (http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-property-tax-appeal-decision-03-31-08.htm)
http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-property-tax-appeal-decision-03-31-08-copyright.htm (http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-property-tax-appeal-decision-03-31-08-copyright.htm)
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Yeah, they are still looking and "it" has another mess: They lost the Illinois Tax Exemption appeal. Will have to come with half a million to cover back taxes. Sounds like what they need is a development director / fund raiser.
I understood that that is James Gilley's particular strength?
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Yeah, they are still looking and "it" has another mess: They lost the Illinois Tax Exemption appeal. Will have to come with half a million to cover back taxes. Sounds like what they need is a development director / fund raiser.
I understood that that is James Gilley's particular strength?
I was out of line here...I am informed that a Mr Hamilton from California has now stepped into the shoes of Mr. Ewing. We should probably add him to the Prayer Circle thread, poor soul...can you imagine the days, nights and week-ends it will take to get a handle on solutions to the dillema that he faces?
Gailon Arthur joy
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Say, they have not given notice of Appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court. Someone want to check on that next week and see if 3ABN feels they have had enough yet? Given the standard operating procedure, I would expect them to appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court and then seek Certiorari to the US Supreme Court.
Then there is the other tax case that they also challenged.
Anyone know where we can get a copy of the D. Michael Riva letter to the former Mayor of Thompsonville?
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Say, they have not given notice of Appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court. Someone want to check on that next week and see if 3ABN feels they have had enough yet? Given the standard operating procedure, I would expect them to appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court and then seek Certiorari to the US Supreme Court.
Then there is the other tax case that they also challenged.
Anyone know where we can get a copy of the D. Michael Riva letter to the former Mayor of Thompsonville?
Gailon Arthur Joy
Are there two 3ABN tax cases, Gailon?
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Say, they have not given notice of Appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court. Someone want to check on that next week and see if 3ABN feels they have had enough yet? Given the standard operating procedure, I would expect them to appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court and then seek Certiorari to the US Supreme Court.
Then there is the other tax case that they also challenged.
Anyone know where we can get a copy of the D. Michael Riva letter to the former Mayor of Thompsonville?
Gailon Arthur Joy
Are there two 3ABN tax cases, Gailon?
:scratch: :dunno:
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Say, they have not given notice of Appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court. Someone want to check on that next week and see if 3ABN feels they have had enough yet? Given the standard operating procedure, I would expect them to appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court and then seek Certiorari to the US Supreme Court.
Then there is the other tax case that they also challenged.
Anyone know where we can get a copy of the D. Michael Riva letter to the former Mayor of Thompsonville?
Gailon Arthur Joy
Are there two 3ABN tax cases, Gailon?
In fact there are two. This is the only one to move from the administrative law decision to the Illionois Circuit Court for findings and then De Novo to the Illinois Court of Appeals. The three decisions all clearly have similarities, each with some very specific emphasis on some issues versus the other.
Each decisively finds that 3ABN was a Shelton Business and each determined they did not qualify for tax exemption.
The Shelton Business assertions clearly support our findings and arguments regarding governance.
When will they ever learn...when will they-y-y ever learn!!!
Oh, I forgot to mention, remember that the auditors and those lawyers in Minnesota gave 3ABN a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH...do you believe it if you saw the Illinois Circuit Court opinion???
I still think it is time for the GC Auditiing group to do an audit and I would love to see THEIR REPORT.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Each decisively finds that 3ABN was a Shelton Business and each determined they did not qualify for tax exemption.
The Shelton Business assertions clearly support our findings and arguments regarding governance.
When will they ever learn...when will they-y-y ever learn!!!
Oh, I forgot to mention, remember that the auditors and those lawyers in Minnesota gave 3ABN a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH...do you believe it if you saw the Illinois Circuit Court opinion???
I still think it is time for the GC Auditiing group to do an audit and I would love to see THEIR REPORT.
Gailon Arthur Joy
People are asking if this will change the 3ABN status as recipients of tax deductible gifts. Is that a seperate issue?
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Each decisively finds that 3ABN was a Shelton Business and each determined they did not qualify for tax exemption.
The Shelton Business assertions clearly support our findings and arguments regarding governance.
When will they ever learn...when will they-y-y ever learn!!!
Oh, I forgot to mention, remember that the auditors and those lawyers in Minnesota gave 3ABN a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH...do you believe it if you saw the Illinois Circuit Court opinion???
I still think it is time for the GC Auditiing group to do an audit and I would love to see THEIR REPORT.
Gailon Arthur Joy
People are asking if this will change the 3ABN status as recipients of tax deductible gifts. Is that a seperate issue?
It is a seperate issue, but the findings will most certainly get notice by the IRS/DOJ investigators.
It may well be a major foundation for a challenge to 3ABN, even in a civil action.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Each decisively finds that 3ABN was a Shelton Business and each determined they did not qualify for tax exemption.
The Shelton Business assertions clearly support our findings and arguments regarding governance.
When will they ever learn...when will they-y-y ever learn!!!
Oh, I forgot to mention, remember that the auditors and those lawyers in Minnesota gave 3ABN a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH...do you believe it if you saw the Illinois Circuit Court opinion???
I still think it is time for the GC Auditiing group to do an audit and I would love to see THEIR REPORT.
Gailon Arthur Joy
People are asking if this will change the 3ABN status as recipients of tax deductible gifts. Is that a seperate issue?
It is separate, but very related, Johann. We'll have to wait for the IRS ruling to get that answer. In the meantime, I'm not sending them a penny!!
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Could it be that this is more the reason why their donations have dropped than what was placed on any of the save3abn websites and the forums?
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Could it be that this is more the reason why their donations have dropped than what was placed on any of the save3abn websites and the forums?
There is a growing body of evidense when compared to time lines that there were several events from 2000 on that were having serious impacts upon the giving at various times. Save3ABN was just another annoyance, and the most visible. To add insult to injury, we would not be intimidated. That meant we had to be exterminated. This was rebellion against the "annointed ones", notice the plural is no accident.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Anyone know where we can get a copy of the D. Michael Riva letter to the former Mayor of Thompsonville?
Riva doesn't just send nasty letters to non-Adventist pastors in order to silence their concerns about child molestation. He also frightens elderly mayors who claim to be just trying to do their job. Poor guy had to leave office early, I'm told.
I was told big bully Danny said he could buy the whole town of Thompsonville, but I was told he was told in response that the town isn't for sale.
Seems a couple Adventist investigators got a hold of that nasty Riva letter before Gailon and I came along.
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Seems a couple Adventist investigators got a hold of that nasty Riva letter before Gailon and I came along.
Every dog will have its day! :beagle:
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What helps me is the belief that everything that the devil does can and will be turned by God into a blessing in the end. This is no excuse for doing wrong, but shows me what love can do and how much stronger love is than sin and satan. Satan is a looser. His selfishness has been overcome, and drowned by everlasting love.
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What helps me is the belief that everything that the devil does can and will be turned by God into a blessing in the end. This is no excuse for doing wrong, but shows me what love can do and how much stronger love is than sin and satan. Satan is a looser. His selfishness has been overcome, and drowned by everlasting love.
This is the one fact that keeps many of us going Reader. Without that assurance, life would be just too hard.
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What helps me is the belief that everything that the devil does can and will be turned by God into a blessing in the end. This is no excuse for doing wrong, but shows me what love can do and how much stronger love is than sin and satan. Satan is a looser. His selfishness has been overcome, and drowned by everlasting love.
Well stated Reader. This is the essence of the battle, and we'd better believe it.
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What helps me is the belief that everything that the devil does can and will be turned by God into a blessing in the end. This is no excuse for doing wrong, but shows me what love can do and how much stronger love is than sin and satan. Satan is a looser. His selfishness has been overcome, and drowned by everlasting love.
Keep in mind, Reader,
Love is a delicate balance between Mercy and Justiice. Yes, their is a justice side to Love, most particularly God's Love. And, Mercy is only available when Justice has been served. When one recognizes what he is really guilty of and recognizes the real penalty he should face, that is when
the guilty party gets to reach out and request Mercy.
One of the great problems in modern Adventism is that we have abrogated Justice and adopted
a false religion of unlimited Mercy. This is fatal and it's affects are clearly being felt by a church
that is racked by one mess after another. The book Who Watches? Who cares? reviews just seven of these examples but the lessons and their longterm impact still haunt us today.
In fact, I had one lady who reviewed the book and pointed out that so much of that history was similar to the history of 3ABN and the way these issues were dealt with had paved the way to allow Danny Lee Shelton to go undisciplined and unaccountable for so long. After all, if the miscreants of so many administrators went unpunished, why would Danny Lee Shelton not be able to get away with his actions, hopefully unnoticed.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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One of the great problems in modern Adventism is that we have abrogated Justice and adopted a false religion of unlimited Mercy. This is fatal and it's affects are clearly being felt by a church that is racked by one mess after another. The book Who Watches? Who cares? reviews just seven of these examples but the lessons and their longterm impact still haunt us today.
I have heard it said that attitudes and practices in the church swing like a pendulum historically between either too liberal or too legalistic.
It is hard to find a happy medium.
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One of the great problems in modern Adventism is that we have abrogated Justice and adopted a false religion of unlimited Mercy. This is fatal and it's affects are clearly being felt by a church that is racked by one mess after another. The book Who Watches? Who cares? reviews just seven of these examples but the lessons and their longterm impact still haunt us today.
I have heard it said that attitudes and practices in the church swing like a pendulum historically between either too liberal or too legalistic.
It is hard to find a happy medium.
How do we find the answer to this perpetual problem? I see a situation now, where everything id 'Grace-centred' to the extent that practically 'anything goes', and as I seem to be hitting my head up against a brick wall, I don't know which way to turn. :dunno:
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One of the great problems in modern Adventism is that we have abrogated Justice and adopted a false religion of unlimited Mercy. This is fatal and it's affects are clearly being felt by a church that is racked by one mess after another. The book Who Watches? Who cares? reviews just seven of these examples but the lessons and their longterm impact still haunt us today.
I have heard it said that attitudes and practices in the church swing like a pendulum historically between either too liberal or too legalistic.
It is hard to find a happy medium.
How do we find the answer to this perpetual problem? I see a situation now, where everything id 'Grace-centred' to the extent that practically 'anything goes', and as I seem to be hitting my head up against a brick wall, I don't know which way to turn. :dunno:
But if you weren't hitting your head against that brick wall, you would never know how good it feels when you finally give up :ROFL: and accept any and all in the name of ???? you pick the term
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How do we find the answer to this perpetual problem? I see a situation now, where everything id 'Grace-centred' to the extent that practically 'anything goes', and as I seem to be hitting my head up against a brick wall, I don't know which way to turn. :dunno:
But if you weren't hitting your head against that brick wall, you would never know how good it feels when you finally give up :ROFL: and accept any and all in the name of ???? you pick the term
Point taken Bonnie! :dogwag:
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According to the September 2008 3ABN World magazine, pg 41, 3ABN ex-CFO Larry Ewing is still very much involved with 3ABN. Now, his "watchful eye" keeps track of the activities of the new production truck in Canada and the northwestern United Stsates.
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It is interesting that the 2006 Form 990 was scanned by the IRS on June 27, 2007.
Yet here we are in the latter half of September and still no 2007 Form 990. I wonder what the hold up could be...
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It is interesting that the 2006 Form 990 was scanned by the IRS on June 27, 2007.
Yet here we are in the latter half of September and still no 2007 Form 990. I wonder what the hold up could be...
Maybe, since they have been so completely "exonerated" they need to restate a few items??? After all they are absolutely "perfect", except when it comes to restating all the errors in the returns, back how many years? And that just to "perfect" all those returns!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I wonder if the audit report is complete yet. Maybe they are trying to figure out how to comply with FASB 5.
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I wonder if the audit report is complete yet. Maybe they are trying to figure out how to comply with FASB 5.
And does Hamilton know what FASB 5 is and how it applies to a non-profit? Doubt it!!!
GAJoy