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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on December 16, 2010, 04:17:05 PM
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Meet Jeff Anderson and Associates, PA, the law firm who it is my understanding will be handling the case in Illinois against Danny Shelton and 3ABN. http://andersonadvocates.com/default.aspx (http://andersonadvocates.com/default.aspx)
I hear Jim Gilley has been sending out fund raising appeals. They're probably going to need it, unless Simpson starts charging only $25 and hour instead of $300.
In case anyone wonders what this is about, it's over Danny and 3ABN covering up the child molestation allegations against Tommy. Attorneys for some of Tommy's victims sent a demand letter in September, letting Jim Gilley know that a lawsuit was in the making if they didn't get busy and start negotiating.
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Just to be clear: Jeff Anderson and his associates was retained by my attorney's at Manly and Stewart. They will be working along side John Manly from California and his staff.
They will be representing Myself and the other victim in our case against Danny Shelton and 3ABN.
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Anyone want to help 3ABN pay their lawyers to fight John Manly and Jeff Anderson?
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NO!! Is Jim G's fund raising appeal just a generic appeal or are they admitting they are in hot water?
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To be completely honest I do not know much about Jeff Anderson. After reviewing his website and hearing the good words that my attorney's have said about him. I am glad he's on my side.
Some have asked, does this mean Manly is no longer representing you? No. John C. Manly is still representing me. However, Jeff Anderson was needed for legal technicalities.
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NO!! Is Jim G's fund raising appeal just a generic appeal or are they admitting they are in hot water?
No admission of having a child abuse lawsuit breathing down their necks.
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The plot thickens.
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The plot thickens.
Good to see you again, Daryl, so close to Christmas! Quite a bit may happen in a few days. :sabbath:
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I lurk here often and post now and then.
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I lurk here often and post now and then.
What do you think of the work Jeff Anderson is doing?
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I lurk here often and post now and then.
What do you think of the work Jeff Anderson is doing?
I think that Jeff Anderson intends to play a more substantial role than just a "pro Hac Vici" sponsor.
And do I not understand that the complaint will include the "Officers and Directors"? My kind of complaint!!! Where is McNeilus when you need him??? He will have to rebuild that Foundation balance as it will take a whole team to deal with this relentless discovery and trial preparation, not to mention the onslot of Motion Practice. I would guess we will see a classic legal battle with the frequent roll-out of Motions to Dismiss and Motions for Summary Judgment. They have evem had experience with Confidentiality Agreements...and I intend to watch like a hawk...the press can frequently press for full disclosure, and Simpson is guaranteed to abuse any confidentiality agreement. Anyone need a protoype???
Now, wonder if a case can be built for a RICO claim...now that is a high mountain, but given the history, shall we say it is likely it would be worth the climb up Everest!!! Value could go from seven figures to an easy eight!!!
Just remember to leave a little for Bob!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Is Ken Denslow being sued?
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Is Ken Denslow being sued?
Who knows?
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Expect a huge announcement or (press release) in the coming weeks. :)
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Looking forward to it.
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I will be looking for it.
Expect a huge announcement or (press release) in the coming weeks. :)
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This announcement will come as early as two weeks from now. No later than the end of January. :)
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In the justice system there is is only one surety, and that is that nothing is sure. Justice can be hoped for, it can be fought for, but it can never be assured.
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In the justice system there is is only one surety, and that is that nothing is sure. Justice can be hoped for, it can be fought for, but it can never be assured.
:amen:
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Is Ken Denslow being sued?
I cannot imagine how he could avoid being named in his capacity as a director...he and Thompson have been the most profoundly guilty of "head in the sand" syndrome...then one must ask why Max Trevino stepped into the muck...i would assume Gilley was the major factor and he also has a serious case of "head in the sand" syndrome.
Too bad Doug Batchelder missed the bullet here...I would easilly argue he is guilty of "ignore reality" syndrome and knew or should have known!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Amazing Facts has their own Satellite TV Channel on the same satellite as 3ABN, Hope TV, LLBN, etc.
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Amazing Facts has their own Satellite TV Channel on the same satellite as 3ABN, Hope TV, LLBN, etc.
I would almost bet they will all be effected.
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All be effected, or affected?
I could see how 3ABN could be affected, but I can't see how the others will, unless it is in a good way.
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All be effected, or affected?
. . .
'spose some wouldn't notice the difference?
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So maybe the problems will spread and affect some of the others...
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So maybe the problems will spread and affect some of the others...
If you want to see the mess that interlocking boards and the problem this can create for SDA laymen, take time to review the mess known as In Re: Boston Regional Medical Center (formerly New England Memorial Hospital - originally the New England Sanitarium & Hospital).
Laymen were not covered by Officers and Directors Legal Liability as the Church employees were and many suffered significant financial losses defending against tghe claims of the creditors committee.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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GJ, he knew enough not to get mixed up with them, even after most thought the deal was set in stone. But you know GJ,it might not have been DB's purpose to fight this fight. It might have, and seems it was God's purpose for him to continue to lead at AF, which he is doing very well from what I see.
I cannot imagine how he could avoid being named in his capacity as a director...he and Thompson have been the most profoundly guilty of "head in the sand" syndrome...then one must ask why Max Trevino stepped into the muck...i would assume Gilley was the major factor and he also has a serious case of "head in the sand" syndrome.
Too bad Doug Batchelder missed the bullet here...I would easilly argue he is guilty of "ignore reality" syndrome and knew or should have known!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Won't be long now. It seems John Manly has given up on Greg Simpson, don't it. Oh, well, actions speak louder than words Greg. I'm pretty sure that Manly is ready to show you how the big boy's act in court. ;).
Jeff Anderson is a great addition to this case in my opinion. I'm glad to see the victims have surrounded themselves with competent and capable attorney's such as John Manly and Jeff Anderson.
3ABN and Danny Shelton have retained the "so called high favorable ethics attorney" Greg Simpson. Lol. May I also add in-competent? Who has Brad Walker, Walter Thompson and Cindy Conard Ford hired?
Hopefully they are ready to start dishing out money just like they have false information and lies.
Oh, by the way Brad, Walter.....I hear Cindy is willing to represent you three. :) She's been practicing up for a while! Lol!
OH! My last thought goes to Jim Gilley: You better get that staffed telephone ready and start working on those Mandatory Broadcast announcements to inform your viewers of Tommy Sheltons past! :console:
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This announcement will come as early as two weeks from now. No later than the end of January. :)
Sounds like it won't be such a 'Happy New Year' for some?
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Last night on 3ABN Today they had a love fest, beggathon with DS, JG, MS, Pastor L and the Pastor with the crooked smile. (sorry, can't remember his name). Talked about all the great things that had happened last year because the station is anointed by God. How they always got just enough money and wish people wouldn't hold on to it so long. That this next year was going to be so wonderful. Time will tell. It was also interesting that the program before 3ABN Today was from Hope Channel. That is the reason I even stayed there as I thought that was strange, but maybe not.
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This announcement will come as early as two weeks from now. No later than the end of January. :)
Sounds like it won't be such a 'Happy New Year' for some?
I'm afraid not. Jeff Anderson has assigned Sarah Odegaard one of his attorney's to get the case together.
Here is her Bio:
A passionate advocate for survivors of sexual abuse, Sarah graduated with honors from the University of Minnesota Law School. During law school, Sarah served as a judicial extern for the Honorable Sandra L. Margulies in the California Court of Appeal. She also worked as a summer associate at a preeminent plaintiff’s firm in San Francisco and as a student attorney in the University of Minnesota Law School Civil Litigation Clinic.
Between college and law school, Sarah worked as an AmeriCorps member at Admission Possible, a Twin Cities-based non-profit that helps low income students earn admission to and succeed in college. Sarah graduated with honors from Macalester College, earning a Bachelor of Arts in Urban Studies and Economics.
Sarah Odegaard Bar Admissions:
Minnesota, 2010
California, 2009
U.S. District Court Northern District of California, 2009
U.S. District Court District of Minnesota, 2010
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Whee, doggie!!! Some people get all the fun!!! What I would do to have Sarah's job right now!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Let's not forget this either:
"In the event this matter proceeds towards litigation, we will not only be seeking substantial monetary compensation. We will also be seeking injunctive relief in the form of a mandatory broadcast announcement, on 3ABN, of Pastor Shelton's past sexual abuse of children, along with the creation of a staffed, toll free telephone line for all information regarding such to be reported by 3ABN patrons."
One could wonder if Jim Gilley is preparing this as we speak? It appears it's going to happen. :)
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Last night on 3ABN Today they had a love fest, beggathon with DS, JG, MS, Pastor L and the Pastor with the crooked smile. (sorry, can't remember his name). Talked about all the great things that had happened last year because the station is anointed by God. How they always got just enough money and wish people wouldn't hold on to it so long. That this next year was going to be so wonderful. Time will tell. It was also interesting that the program before 3ABN Today was from Hope Channel. That is the reason I even stayed there as I thought that was strange, but maybe not.
And Friday there was a program with Danny and his daughter Melody where I understand Danny spoke of Melody as his co-founder. He evidently refered to her as the one who travelled with him to shurches soliciting support for the new TV station. We heard no mention of Linda. . .
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Author of how-to book for pedophiles arrested.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/20/florida.obscenity.arrest/index.html?iref=obinsite
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"Minnesota attorney launches London firm to pursue sex-abuse claims" (http://www.jsonline.com/features/religion/113217849.html)
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It's about time, some state did something about this man. At least Florida had the guts to do it.
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This announcement will come as early as two weeks from now. No later than the end of January. :)
I guess we will know something within two weeks...??
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This announcement will come as early as two weeks from now. No later than the end of January. :)
I guess we will know something within two weeks...??
That is correct. At least that is what I am being told. I should have more news as of tomorrow. :)
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I should have more news as of tomorrow. :)
Awake! for Morning in the Bowl of Night
Has flung the Stone that puts the Stars to Flight:
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Monday, Jan. 31, 2011
Lawyer for Wis. accuser: Vatican rejected lawsuit
By PATRICK CONDON Associated Press
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - The attorney for a man who says he was sexually abused decades ago by a now-deceased priest at a Wisconsin school for the deaf says the Vatican has refused to be served with a lawsuit over the matter.
St. Paul attorney Jeff Anderson, who frequently clashes with the Catholic hierarchy over abuse allegations, said in a Sunday news release that his office tried to serve the lawsuit naming Pope Benedict XVI and other high-ranking officials at the Vatican as defendants, but that it was returned via Federal Express.
Anderson's client, listed in court papers as John Doe, is a deaf man from Illinois who alleged in his lawsuit that the late Rev. Lawrence Murphy molested him for a number of years while Murphy worked at a Milwaukee-area school for the deaf. The lawsuit contends Pope Benedict and other Vatican officials conspired to keep quiet decades of abuse allegations against Murphy.
Anderson did not return a call seeking comment Sunday but planned a Monday news conference in which he'll accuse the Vatican of "dragging out the healing of deaf victims."
Jeffrey Lena, the U.S.-based attorney for the Vatican, said in an e-mail that the lawsuit should have been served through diplomatic channels as would be done with any foreign state. He wrote that holding a news conference on such a matter "is really just a form of grandstanding by Mr. Anderson for the press and the public."
A U.S. federal judge in October asked the Vatican to cooperate in serving court papers to the pope and two other Vatican officials, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone and Cardinal Angelo Sodano. The Vatican is not obliged to comply with such requests.
Murphy, who died in 1998, has been accused of sexually abusing some 200 boys at the deaf school from 1950 to 1974. In 1996, Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert Weakland had complained about Murphy in a letter to the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, the powerful Vatican office led by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger from 1981 until he became pope in 2005.
That office initially ordered Weakland to hold a canonical trial against Murphy in 1997, but later changed course after a letter from the accused. The Vatican noted Murphy's advanced age, failing health and lack of further allegations.
The Vatican argues it's not liable for clerical sex-abuse cases under canon law and a church structure that holds bishops - and not Rome - responsible for disciplining pedophile priests.
Plaintiffs in a similar case in Oregon have sued the Vatican using a similar approach. Anderson represents clients in that proceeding as well, and on numerous occasions has expressed a desire to hold prominent Vatican leaders liable for sexual abuse by priests.
2011-01-31 14:26:17 GMT
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Jeffrey Lena, the U.S.-based attorney for the Vatican, said in an e-mail that the lawsuit should have been served through diplomatic channels as would be done with any foreign state.
Mr. Lena, has Ratzinger repudiated his German citizenship? If not, what does the German government think about one of their citizens becoming the head of another country? Is that permissible under German law?
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...The Vatican noted Murphy's advanced age, failing health and lack of further allegations.
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This sounds very similar to TS's lawyer's statement at the November hearing. This was said after Judge Bellows said that there was no expression of remorse.
Irving said Shelton was remorseful, was in poor health, with a quadruple heart bypass and high blood pressure, and "any jail time was going to be essentially a death sentence. We couldn't do anything that contemplated jail time, and the Commonwealth understood that."
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Will this be filed before the tolling agreement runs out next month?
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No more Beverly Hillbillies for GJ! LOL!!!
Whee, doggie!!!
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No more Beverly Hillbillies for GJ! LOL!!!
Whee, doggie!!!
lol, :ROFL: or did you think it maybe a redneck? :ROFL: It going to take a lot of them for sure if what happens in Egypt happens here..... the poor people are getting it both ways. The dictator or the Brotherhood and I am worse mad at you know who!! This is coming to us sooner or later. I think Obama knows all about it and the American people are starting to get the glimpse of it but I think in the end it will be so shocking.
You know something is coming with the "Anti Christ in Florida" lol and all the unstable follow with 666 tattoos. I think I will just stay in the house and let the rest of the world go by. Scary times for sure and I just think what in the world would it be like if we were in the streets of Egypt, with no food no water and people suffering on $2.00 a day by the millions. I hear their dictator got $40 billion tucked away.
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Will this be filed before the tolling agreement runs out next month?
OK - I give. A statute of limitations tolls. What in the world is a "tolling agreement"? Are you suggesting the statute of limitations runs out in March?
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Will this be filed before the tolling agreement runs out next month?
OK - I give. A statute of limitations tolls. What in the world is a "tolling agreement"? Are you suggesting the statute of limitations runs out in March?
That is correct, Snoopy. The tolling agreement halted the statue of limitations. So, assuming this is correct they have no choice, but to file by the end of February.
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Naw, I meant the Beverly Hillbillies. Jed Clampett(Buddy Epsen) is the only person i ever heard use that phrase.
And how you tied that into Egypt current issues, i will never know. But it will be interesting to see the outcome.
lol, :ROFL: or did you think it maybe a redneck? :ROFL: It going to take a lot of them for sure if what happens in Egypt happens here..... the poor people are getting it both ways. The dictator or the Brotherhood and I am worse mad at you know who!! This is coming to us sooner or later. I think Obama knows all about it and the American people are starting to get the glimpse of it but I think in the end it will be so shocking.
You know something is coming with the "Anti Christ in Florida" lol and all the unstable follow with 666 tattoos. I think I will just stay in the house and let the rest of the world go by. Scary times for sure and I just think what in the world would it be like if we were in the streets of Egypt, with no food no water and people suffering on $2.00 a day by the millions. I hear their dictator got $40 billion tucked away.
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Check on the URL Below if you want a clear explaination of a Tolling Agreement and how it can benefit both parties.
http://www.ehow.com/about_6391028_legal-definition-tolling-agreement.html
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Gregory:
I am no familiar completely with the tolling agreement. I do know that I did sign one, under the advice of my attorney's. I'm not completely aware of it's value. Thanks for the link.
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Statute of Limitations and Tolling...what an interesting subject. Garabedian first Tackled the issue of Statute of Limitations for priests in the case involving the Arch Diocese of Boston where preists had been moved out of state in some cases over 20 years prior. He successfully argued that a perpetrator who had left the state had "Tolled the Statute of Limitations" and would not begin again until the priest was either extradicted back to Massachusetts or was subpoenaed back to testify.
He succeeded and opened wide open claims against many preists going back as far as forty years.
Very few have pushed that hard since then, however, the precedence set left Diocesan Administrators clearly exposed and forced to defend innumerable claims for sex abuse, real and contrived. Yes, some claims have proven to be less than accurate in key details and quickly becomes worthless.
The Preisthood became a haven for perversion as the pool of dedicated vicars continued to dissipate post World War II and the Korean War, although more likely related to a growth economy. Young men found the church a forgiving atmosphere for their perversion and it was not long before the "dedicated" preisthood was largely the minority and upward mobility within the Heirarchy virtually assured. But a heirarchy is of little value if you have all chiefs and no indians and thus the problem priests were "tolerated" watchfully and moved when the heat raised to intolerable levels. Good priests frequently Laisized and took up normal lives as social workers and probation officers, married and melted into American society, further diluting the good preisthood to the point of criticality.
The current economic downturn is likely to lead to a new breed of priests, but if economic recovery is achieved in another decade, well the cycle is likely to return...unless the Vatican abandons the archaic rule of celibacy. Of course they would have to get serious about tithing as the church is not use to paying sustainable salaries for families.
In any event, NO-NONE should fear statute of limitations when the perpetrator has moved to Kentucky to hide from his crimes. I would suggest that it would be more than likely the statute of limitations has been tolled...but if he is back to face criminal charges, one must move quickly to preserve the very limited statute of limitations window, but there is a very large insurance policy ready to settle under sufficient pressure from the victims for the wrongs committed at Dun Loring!!!
And any attorney that fails to exploit the narrow window of opportunity should seriously worry that the firm may face errors and omissions claims.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter