Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: WillowRun on December 02, 2010, 10:00:39 AM
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Can't televangelists behave themselves and remain faithful to their wives????? My still churched friends wonder why I worship God on my own. This is why doesn't seem to matter what denomination the top of the organization men folk are men behaving badly.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-televangelist-couple-confessed-affair-christian-tv-considered/story?id=12293002
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OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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It's said, "No man is an island". These preachers want all this power and glory and forget that when they fall, they are bringing the Name of Jesus Christ down with them. Of course by this time, they have forgotten that they are preaching for the good of Jesus Christ anyway. What is so sad, is the ones that are hurt by this, the ones that might have been brought to Jesus Christ by their teaching, my husband is one.
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When you see billboards, brochures and other advertisement of their "ministries" what is most prominently featured is their faces. Ultimately, I believe, saying that it is about God is the facade coving the fact that it is about them and nothing more.
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The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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In spite of humble beginnings televagelists start feeling the surge of power and popularity as they are able to reward people with TV exposure. TV is a tremendous vehicle to gain power. Most politicins gain their votes by appearing on TV talk shows. In a recent election in our country we had over 500 candidates for 25 seats. Most of those elected were people known through TV talk shows.
It takes a lot of grace to remain humble when you have the powere to rule over others. Power corrupts and often gives the idea that since you have all of that power you do not have to follow the same rules of conduct as other are obliged to follow. Unfortuneately this is seen among so-called Christians as well.
Can't televangelists behave themselves and remain faithful to their wives????? My still churched friends wonder why I worship God on my own. This is why doesn't seem to matter what denomination the top of the organization men folk are men behaving badly.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-televangelist-couple-confessed-affair-christian-tv-considered/story?id=12293002
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Firmly held conviction is the greatest enemy of truth. And people people become convicted in their hearts through emotional appeal made by oily voices spouting clever words that people want to hear.
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money. LOL!!!
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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Danny Shelton is in this for the power, prestige, money, and let's not forget the SEX!
He preys on innocent, naive people with the line that he's "mending broken people" and spreading the "unduluted three angel's message".
What a facade. What a farce.
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Danny Shelton is neither no more nor no less than everyone of us (you and I) could be but for the grace of God.
All of us (you and I) could descend to the actions that we charge Danny Shelton with performing and go beyond those. We deceive ourselves if we think that absent the grace of God in our lives we would never do such. Without the grace of God in our lives, there is no limit to what we could do.
If we think that either association with the SDA Church, or actively proclaiming it's message, will protect us from such folly, we either forget or are not aware that the history of our denomination demonstrates the falsity of such a premise.
Does this mean that we excuse the sin of others? No! Sin has it's consequences--both logical and natural. Let us remember that the response that we make to what we see in others is a statement as to the response that believe should be made to us should we also fall into similar sin.
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Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
Look it up. David spen a week on his face before the Lord. 1 John 1:9.
Harold
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David as recorded in the bible was a man of God as the bible would state. As I have stated many time (most people) do not understand what the word of God is trying to say about David. David never lead the people astray except on two occasions numbering the Children of Israel (Satan stood up against him) and in the matter of Uriah and the Lord records with the exception of what he did, had done to Uriah, would say David was a man after his own heart . The television evangelist that we have have a false message from God neither have rightly divided the truth, or stood for the complete truth. I did a study on the pagan religions and very many of them were very close to the Christian religion in worship and practice. Often we think it such a strange thing that king Ahab would see the pagans and after God had blessed him to destroy them copy them and their style of worship. God was not trying to justify or excuse the personal faults of David but rather magnify the fact that David did not lead the children of Israel into rebellion against God. You cannot lump these people and their false message into the same category as David and him being lead by God. These men and woman are murdering more people than David ever did murder and in the judgment you will see that their crimes are far far worse. They in essence have put a stumbling block in front of the people and so distorted the message that many will never recover from it.
Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money. LOL!!!
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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With us it all started after Irmgard had had her first operation for breast cancer. Then we had visited our children in Norway and enjoyed their new TV with lots of channels. On the way home we were talking.
- We must get some kind of a dish so we can get some interesting stations, said Irmgard.
- I understand there is a private SDA channel that is available on a dish.
When we got home I started by calling some SDA friends until I found some who had 3ABN. Checking it out on the net I discovered what kind of dish, and soon I found a local outfit which could supply the right dish. With instruction, also on the 3ABN website, I managed to set it up and tune in. . .
It was such a delightful inspiration that I took some pictures of the screen to accompany an article I wrote for our Union (Danish) paper. My co-workers read that article, and when one of them shortly after that met Owen Troy - a mutual friend - he told Owen that Johann was retired and therefore just the right man for 3ABN. I did not realize then what the Lord had in store for me.
Before long we had arranged rallies in Iceland, Sweden, Denmark and France. And I had invited church leaders to have special meetings with Danny Shelton. (Linda and Tommy were there too.)
Just the other day I had the first visit again after several years with one of those church leaders. Here are some of the points I recall from our conversation:
- I recall that meeting we had with Danny Shelton at that time, he told me. Somehow it failed to impress me. I know you were very enthusiastic and tried to get us interested. But the meeting with that man was a great disappointment. Self-exaltation and attempts to impress us with the accomplishments of this great founder - himself - is what we heard. Added to that were stories of his encounters with opposition from church leaders, and how he with his ingenuity and smartness managed to quench such opposition.
- You were all on fire, Johann, and I felt sorry for you. You had not noticed any of the danger signals at that time.
- I did later on.
- Yes I know you did, and perhaps the Lord had a purpose in letting you in to see the dangers from the inside?
- Yes, I believe He did.
I found many faithful dedicated people there at 3ABN. They think they are working for the Lord and not for man. . . That was the most positive I saw at 3ABN, and why I believed in the work. That all changed when Linda was so rudely chased away.
Johann
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Christian , when you are aupposed to be the leader of the People of God, you lead your by words AND by example. Your actions speak a whole lot louder than your words. While David may not have conned money or verbally misguided the people, but he did have Bethshebaq brought to him, by his words and had her husband killed.......by the word of the King, David. You think when David wwas running from Absolom, the country was not in disarray, the COI were not affected? You don't believe that David's actions were not a stumbling block? How much more destructive can anyone's words be? He definitely mislead them by example. Take his son Solomon, the country went into serious moral decline because of Solomon's actions. You can't make the distinction because you disagree with the televangelists theology. He believe his doctrine to be as biblically sound as you believe yours to be.
For the record, both are equally wrong, because they have taken the charge tobe spiritual leaders of the people of God, and have failed them by their actions. However, the story we get from David is that God is merciful and forgiving, and like the rest of us they can fall down, and get up and walk in the glory of God. We dont' need to sugar coat David's story because we know the overall lession is a positive one.
David as recorded in the bible was a man of God as the bible would state. As I have stated many time (most people) do not understand what the word of God is trying to say about David. David never lead the people astray except on two occasions numbering the Children of Israel (Satan stood up against him) and in the matter of Uriah and the Lord records with the exception of what he did, had done to Uriah, would say David was a man after his own heart . The television evangelist that we have have a false message from God neither have rightly divided the truth, or stood for the complete truth. I did a study on the pagan religions and very many of them were very close to the Christian religion in worship and practice. Often we think it such a strange thing that king Ahab would see the pagans and after God had blessed him to destroy them copy them and their style of worship. God was not trying to justify or excuse the personal faults of David but rather magnify the fact that David did not lead the children of Israel into rebellion against God. You cannot lump these people and their false message into the same category as David and him being lead by God. These men and woman are murdering more people than David ever did murder and in the judgment you will see that their crimes are far far worse. They in essence have put a stumbling block in front of the people and so distorted the message that many will never recover from it.
Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money. LOL!!!
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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There was a song out a few years ago and some of the words were " we get up". The gist of the song was that as Christians when we fail,with the help of Jesus Christ, we get back up and keep going. That's the only way we can make it. Without Jesus, we are lost. It doesn't mean we deliberately sin, but when we do, we ask for forgiveness and keep on going.
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While it is true that others may believe they are right while at the same time worshiping baal; by the way David was a king not a priest, somehow people forget that. Howbeit we are talking about false teachers and preachers who assume to be the mouth piece for the voice of the Lord. Again, the Lord had appointed in the Kingdom of Israel priest to lead the people in the ways of the Lord. Yes, but again David was an example of all who have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God yet forever seek forgiveness and honour at the end of the day. Sorry my writing is disjointed but I have been working like for 18 straight hours (lol). Okay so Princess lets see if you can figuire out what I am trying to say (smile)
Christian , when you are aupposed to be the leader of the People of God, you lead your by words AND by example. Your actions speak a whole lot louder than your words. While David may not have conned money or verbally misguided the people, but he did have Bethshebaq brought to him, by his words and had her husband killed.......by the word of the King, David. You think when David wwas running from Absolom, the country was not in disarray, the COI were not affected? You don't believe that David's actions were not a stumbling block? How much more destructive can anyone's words be? He definitely mislead them by example. Take his son Solomon, the country went into serious moral decline because of Solomon's actions. You can't make the distinction because you disagree with the televangelists theology. He believe his doctrine to be as biblically sound as you believe yours to be.
For the record, both are equally wrong, because they have taken the charge tobe spiritual leaders of the people of God, and have failed them by their actions. However, the story we get from David is that God is merciful and forgiving, and like the rest of us they can fall down, and get up and walk in the glory of God. We dont' need to sugar coat David's story because we know the overall lession is a positive one.
David as recorded in the bible was a man of God as the bible would state. As I have stated many time (most people) do not understand what the word of God is trying to say about David. David never lead the people astray except on two occasions numbering the Children of Israel (Satan stood up against him) and in the matter of Uriah and the Lord records with the exception of what he did, had done to Uriah, would say David was a man after his own heart . The television evangelist that we have have a false message from God neither have rightly divided the truth, or stood for the complete truth. I did a study on the pagan religions and very many of them were very close to the Christian religion in worship and practice. Often we think it such a strange thing that king Ahab would see the pagans and after God had blessed him to destroy them copy them and their style of worship. God was not trying to justify or excuse the personal faults of David but rather magnify the fact that David did not lead the children of Israel into rebellion against God. You cannot lump these people and their false message into the same category as David and him being lead by God. These men and woman are murdering more people than David ever did murder and in the judgment you will see that their crimes are far far worse. They in essence have put a stumbling block in front of the people and so distorted the message that many will never recover from it.
Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money. LOL!!!
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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Preach that!
Danny Shelton is neither no more nor no less than everyone of us (you and I) could be but for the grace of God.
All of us (you and I) could descend to the actions that we charge Danny Shelton with performing and go beyond those. We deceive ourselves if we think that absent the grace of God in our lives we would never do such. Without the grace of God in our lives, there is no limit to what we could do.
If we think that either association with the SDA Church, or actively proclaiming it's message, will protect us from such folly, we either forget or are not aware that the history of our denomination demonstrates the falsity of such a premise.
Does this mean that we excuse the sin of others? No! Sin has it's consequences--both logical and natural. Let us remember that the response that we make to what we see in others is a statement as to the response that believe should be made to us should we also fall into similar sin.
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...yes he did(loads of times), but in this case ONLY after he was "caught". Did he know what he was doing was wrong all along? of course, but he acted as if it was the thing to do until God sent the Prophet to him. What does that say? Now I know the issues is that TS and DS don't' seem to be repenten in the very least, even after being caught, but let's still not minimize David's issues. Don't get me wrong he is defintitely one of my favorites Bible characters, but because of the goodness, faithfulness, and grace of God, even when David was nto acting like a man after God's own heart, God still saw him that way. Is there a lesson somewhere is there for us?
Look it up. David spen a week on his face before the Lord. 1 John 1:9.
Harold
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It is a song by Donnie McClurkin. "We fall down, but we get up" simple but great song. Amen, Mrst!
There was a song out a few years ago and some of the words were " we get up". The gist of the song was that as Christians when we fail,with the help of Jesus Christ, we get back up and keep going. That's the only way we can make it. Without Jesus, we are lost. It doesn't mean we deliberately sin, but when we do, we ask for forgiveness and keep on going.
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I totally understand what you are trying to say, no worries! Howqever, I will add that David was a King annointed and chosen by God Himself, not at all like Saul chosen by the people. I believe there is a difference, and David should have been more keenly aware of that fact. He was chosen to lead the then Chosen People of God, grapping married girlfriend, knockingher up,a nd killing her husband, was just not the thing to do and David knew that long before the Prophet came, but tried to get away with it, right?
While it is true that others may believe they are right while at the same time worshiping baal; by the way David was a king not a priest, somehow people forget that. Howbeit we are talking about false teachers and preachers who assume to be the mouth piece for the voice of the Lord. Again, the Lord had appointed in the Kingdom of Israel priest to lead the people in the ways of the Lord. Yes, but again David was an example of all who have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God yet forever seek forgiveness and honour at the end of the day. Sorry my writing is disjointed but I have been working like for 18 straight hours (lol). Okay so Princess lets see if you can figuire out what I am trying to say (smile)
Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money. LOL!!!
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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There are those who fall to temptation and get up (repent) and there are those for whom cherished sin is a way of llife. They love to wallow in the mire but think that their good works balance out their bad works and so they think they are ok.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:22
The thing that amazes me about this is that it implies that they actually did wonderful miracles, that they were spokesmen or prophets for God and did cast out devils and that they worked hard for God. It implies that their work was good work. But this didn't earn them salvation because God says He never knew them. Wrong motives for their work? Clinging to sin? Not loving others as themselves? Not loving the Lord with all their heart and soul? Pride?
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When someone firmily believes that he is doing the will of God, no matter what, no amount of talk can change his mind.
Harold
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An Icelandic Supreme Court lawyer told me today that if you are able to convince the Supreme Court that what you have told them is the truth, there is no power which can revert that, regardless of how much you lied.
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The greatest enemy of truth, is firmly held conviction.
When someone firmily believes that he is doing the will of God, no matter what, no amount of talk can change his mind.
Harold
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Which one do you understand princess the 18 hours of no sleep or the part about David (smile). Again, as you have stated David was chosen by God to be king not a priest. And you are right but Danny is not David though there names both start with D. And the televangelist are not kings even though they act like they are sometimes. You cannot apply situations to circumstances that do not apply, I mean you can if you want but you will reach a wrong conclusion.
I totally understand what you are trying to say, no worries! Howqever, I will add that David was a King annointed and chosen by God Himself, not at all like Saul chosen by the people. I believe there is a difference, and David should have been more keenly aware of that fact. He was chosen to lead the then Chosen People of God, grapping married girlfriend, knockingher up,a nd killing her husband, was just not the thing to do and David knew that long before the Prophet came, but tried to get away with it, right?
While it is true that others may believe they are right while at the same time worshiping baal; by the way David was a king not a priest, somehow people forget that. Howbeit we are talking about false teachers and preachers who assume to be the mouth piece for the voice of the Lord. Again, the Lord had appointed in the Kingdom of Israel priest to lead the people in the ways of the Lord. Yes, but again David was an example of all who have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God yet forever seek forgiveness and honour at the end of the day. Sorry my writing is disjointed but I have been working like for 18 straight hours (lol). Okay so Princess lets see if you can figuire out what I am trying to say (smile)
Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money. LOL!!!
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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Both, Christian. I understand your point about David, but I just disagree. If he was annointed by God to lead His people, then David had the same responsiblity as the priensts to walk in that annointing. The standrads are not different. We know this because even though proclaimed by God to be a "man after His own heart", he paid dearly in consequences for his actions and/or lack thereof. Because he did not walk in that annointing. David was not saved from the consequences of his sins. While being a extrememly blessed as warrior/king, David's household was a complete mess. He was not a good father or husband, and his household showed it.
I am really moving beyond titles, and talking about the most important thing which is that when God annoints us to do a job for Him, we are representative of Him, and we need to act like it. Especially when it comes to any kind of leadership position. David did not get a pass of the area of morals, because God annointed him a "political" leader and not a priest. The expectations are the same in how we represent God.
I don't believe there is anyone here that will argue with the fact that God did annoint and appoint Danny(and Linda) to start 3ABN. The ministry will still continue to bring souls to Christ, because it is God' plan, not Danny's. So it will prosper, in spite of Danny's failings. And yes, it is the same fo Danny. He was annointed and appointed to do a work for Christ. He fail to continue to walk in that annointing and be a good respresentative for God. No matter the title or job, when we are to represent God, once again, the expectation is the same.
Which one do you understand princess the 18 hours of no sleep or the part about David (smile). Again, as you have stated David was chosen by God to be king not a priest. And you are right but Danny is not David though there names both start with D. And the televangelist are not kings even though they act like they are sometimes. You cannot apply situations to circumstances that do not apply, I mean you can if you want but you will reach a wrong conclusion.
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I appoint myself to annoint myself. I done been appointed and annointed. And the annointing is upon me, as the appointed one, so if you can say amen to that, I appoint you as annointed.
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Both, Christian. I understand your point about David, but I just disagree. If he was annointed by God to lead His people, then David had the same responsiblity as the priensts to walk in that annointing. The standrads are not different. We know this because even though proclaimed by God to be a "man after His own heart", he paid dearly in consequences for his actions and/or lack thereof. Because he did not walk in that annointing. David was not saved from the consequences of his sins. While being a extrememly blessed as warrior/king, David's household was a complete mess. He was not a good father or husband, and his household showed it.
I am really moving beyond titles, and talking about the most important thing which is that when God annoints us to do a job for Him, we are representative of Him, and we need to act like it. Especially when it comes to any kind of leadership position. David did not get a pass of the area of morals, because God annointed him a "political" leader and not a priest. The expectations are the same in how we represent God.
I don't believe there is anyone here that will argue with the fact that God did annoint and appoint Danny(and Linda) to start 3ABN. The ministry will still continue to bring souls to Christ, because it is God' plan, not Danny's. So it will prosper, in spite of Danny's failings. And yes, it is the same fo Danny. He was annointed and appointed to do a work for Christ. He fail to continue to walk in that annointing and be a good respresentative for God. No matter the title or job, when we are to represent God, once again, the expectation is the same.
Which one do you understand princess the 18 hours of no sleep or the part about David (smile). Again, as you have stated David was chosen by God to be king not a priest. And you are right but Danny is not David though there names both start with D. And the televangelist are not kings even though they act like they are sometimes. You cannot apply situations to circumstances that do not apply, I mean you can if you want but you will reach a wrong conclusion.
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I now understand you and your point of view I just disagree. I don't know as a fact that God appointed or anointed Danny or Linda to do anything. Now I see some reasoning to the fact that 3abn has enlightened and brought some to a realization of the sabbath and ten commandments. Does God sometimes use people who are not qualified or fit to pass his message yes, but whether God anointed or appointed them to that task is another thing. As to whether 3ABN is God's plan is also another point of debate and in my eyes is not a fact. The fact that something or someone is is not in and of itself proof of Gods leading or Gods anointing or appointed will. There are multitudes of individuals who proclaim to be anointed and they preach and souls are brought to the kingdom of God who absolutely have never been anointed or appointed to do Gods will (except in their own tiny minds). I am sure we both will be shocked to find out the truth as to what God actually ordained or had a hand in when we meet him in the air.
Both, Christian. I understand your point about David, but I just disagree. If he was annointed by God to lead His people, then David had the same responsiblity as the priensts to walk in that annointing. The standrads are not different. We know this because even though proclaimed by God to be a "man after His own heart", he paid dearly in consequences for his actions and/or lack thereof. Because he did not walk in that annointing. David was not saved from the consequences of his sins. While being a extrememly blessed as warrior/king, David's household was a complete mess. He was not a good father or husband, and his household showed it.
I am really moving beyond titles, and talking about the most important thing which is that when God annoints us to do a job for Him, we are representative of Him, and we need to act like it. Especially when it comes to any kind of leadership position. David did not get a pass of the area of morals, because God annointed him a "political" leader and not a priest. The expectations are the same in how we represent God.
I don't believe there is anyone here that will argue with the fact that God did annoint and appoint Danny(and Linda) to start 3ABN. The ministry will still continue to bring souls to Christ, because it is God' plan, not Danny's. So it will prosper, in spite of Danny's failings. And yes, it is the same fo Danny. He was annointed and appointed to do a work for Christ. He fail to continue to walk in that annointing and be a good respresentative for God. No matter the title or job, when we are to represent God, once again, the expectation is the same.
Which one do you understand princess the 18 hours of no sleep or the part about David (smile). Again, as you have stated David was chosen by God to be king not a priest. And you are right but Danny is not David though there names both start with D. And the televangelist are not kings even though they act like they are sometimes. You cannot apply situations to circumstances that do not apply, I mean you can if you want but you will reach a wrong conclusion.
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Amen, bro! Anyone can appoint themselves as an annointed one. It is very easy to memorize the words and phrases that people react to. In matters of religion and politics people are emotionally charged, and that is something very easy to take advantage of. Music and prayer bypass the part of our brains that exist on logic. phraseology that touches on the foundations of a belief system do the same. And the faithful flock together to call the self-appointed one, the annointed one. They see the signs and here the words that they are programmed to follow, and they can do nothing else. It is what it is.
While it is true that others may believe they are right while at the same time worshiping baal; by the way David was a king not a priest, somehow people forget that. Howbeit we are talking about false teachers and preachers who assume to be the mouth piece for the voice of the Lord. Again, the Lord had appointed in the Kingdom of Israel priest to lead the people in the ways of the Lord. Yes, but again David was an example of all who have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God yet forever seek forgiveness and honour at the end of the day. Sorry my writing is disjointed but I have been working like for 18 straight hours (lol). Okay so Princess lets see if you can figuire out what I am trying to say (smile)
Christian , when you are aupposed to be the leader of the People of God, you lead your by words AND by example. Your actions speak a whole lot louder than your words. While David may not have conned money or verbally misguided the people, but he did have Bethshebaq brought to him, by his words and had her husband killed.......by the word of the King, David. You think when David wwas running from Absolom, the country was not in disarray, the COI were not affected? You don't believe that David's actions were not a stumbling block? How much more destructive can anyone's words be? He definitely mislead them by example. Take his son Solomon, the country went into serious moral decline because of Solomon's actions. You can't make the distinction because you disagree with the televangelists theology. He believe his doctrine to be as biblically sound as you believe yours to be.
For the record, both are equally wrong, because they have taken the charge tobe spiritual leaders of the people of God, and have failed them by their actions. However, the story we get from David is that God is merciful and forgiving, and like the rest of us they can fall down, and get up and walk in the glory of God. We dont' need to sugar coat David's story because we know the overall lession is a positive one.
David as recorded in the bible was a man of God as the bible would state. As I have stated many time (most people) do not understand what the word of God is trying to say about David. David never lead the people astray except on two occasions numbering the Children of Israel (Satan stood up against him) and in the matter of Uriah and the Lord records with the exception of what he did, had done to Uriah, would say David was a man after his own heart . The television evangelist that we have have a false message from God neither have rightly divided the truth, or stood for the complete truth. I did a study on the pagan religions and very many of them were very close to the Christian religion in worship and practice. Often we think it such a strange thing that king Ahab would see the pagans and after God had blessed him to destroy them copy them and their style of worship. God was not trying to justify or excuse the personal faults of David but rather magnify the fact that David did not lead the children of Israel into rebellion against God. You cannot lump these people and their false message into the same category as David and him being lead by God. These men and woman are murdering more people than David ever did murder and in the judgment you will see that their crimes are far far worse. They in essence have put a stumbling block in front of the people and so distorted the message that many will never recover from it.
Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian. Do you believe that David was every a Man of God? I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband. I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet? Can we really make this kindof judgement?
That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money. LOL!!!
The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."
OK? I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.
You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak. I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them. Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can.
This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor. Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.
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Come on now Guys, let's think about this logically. What prrof, besides "the Bible tells me so" do you have that anyone was annoted or appointed"? Only that you believe the Bible is thw Wrod of God, and God cannot lie. It is definitely not because of any of those peoples actions. Only that God's plan was carried out in each situation, sometimes inspite of the ones chosen to act for God.......thnk Jonah. What would he have had God do to the Niehvites? It is all in hindsight. Why will you not believe that God is the same God of the Bible. Anything Linda and Danny have done is not new and definitely not knew to God, he has been annointing and appointing flawed man to His Wil and His workl, long before those two came along. God does not only annont or appoint perfect people. David was appointed and annointed IN SPITE OF his failings, and God knew them when David was out in the field tending sheep. Well, that is onky if you believe that God is all knowing. he did not appoint, neither annot David hoping he would do right. Remember, he died for us while we were yet in our sins.
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I wonder if appointed isn't the correct word rather than but not in addition to the word anointed. In the Bible people were anointed with oil. Oil is a recognized symbol of the Holy Spirit. Just as baptism is a symbol of death, burial and resurrection, being anointed with oil was symbolic of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon one to fit them to accomplish the work they were appointed to. Jesus was the anointed one since the Holy Spirit was poured out without measure upon Him so that He was depending upon His Father as we must depend on Him. He was our example.
And since we are only human and look on the outward appearance while God looks on the heart, only God and Danny and Linda can testify to the spiritual condition of their hearts at the time that 3ABN was founded and whether the Holy Spirit was poured out on them to fit them for the task they undertook. As Peter in the Bible did not know his own heart when Christ told him he would betray Him, they may not even know their own hearts. We understand that even our best efforts are tainted with our own carnality and we do not know whether Danny's "calling" was as he claimed it to be or whether there was in large part a desire to be a musician, singer and performer and to uplift self. We do not know whether the motive and the call he claimed was a rationalization or not. We just cannot know. As Princess has said, the Lord uses odd tools. Some of these tools ultimately fail Him and fall short of their potential. We also know that the test of whether one has the Holy Spirit is not whether one has rapturous feelings but whether one has the fruits of the Spirit. On the other hand we know that the gifts of the Spirit can be counterfeited.
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While Jesus was preparing the disciples for their ordination, one who had not been summoned urged his presence among them. It was Judas Iscariot, a man who professed to be a follower of Christ. . . . Judas believed Jesus to be the Messiah; and by joining the apostles, he hoped to secure a high position in the new kingdom. . . . {CC 285.2}
The disciples were anxious that Judas should become one of their number. He was of commanding appearance, a man of keen discernment and executive ability, and they commended him to Jesus as one who would greatly assist Him in His work. . . . The after history of Judas would show them the danger of allowing any worldly consideration to have weight in deciding the fitness of men for the work of God. . . . {CC 285.3}
Yet when Judas joined the disciples, he was not insensible to the beauty of the character of Christ. He felt the influence of that divine power which was drawing souls to the Saviour. . . . The Saviour read the heart of Judas; He knew the depths of iniquity to which, unless delivered by the grace of God, Judas would sink. In connecting this man with Himself, He placed him where he might, day by day, be brought in contact with the outflowing of His own unselfish love. If he would open his heart to Christ, divine grace would banish the demon of selfishness, and even Judas might become a subject of the kingdom of God. {CC 285.4}
God takes men as they are . . . and trains them for His service, if they will be disciplined and learn of Him. They are not chosen because they are perfect, but notwithstanding their imperfections, that through the knowledge and practice of the truth, through the grace of Christ, they may become transformed into His image. {CC 285.5
Judas saw the sick, the lame, the blind, flock to Jesus from the towns and cities. He saw the dying laid at His feet. He witnessed the Saviour's mighty works in healing the sick, casting out devils, and raising the dead. He felt in his own person the evidence of Christ's power. He recognized the teaching of Christ as superior to all that he had ever heard. He loved the Great Teacher, and desired to be with Him. He felt a desire to be changed in character and life, and he hoped to experience this through connecting himself with Jesus. The Saviour did not repulse Judas. He gave him a place among the twelve. He trusted him to do the work of an evangelist. He endowed him with power to heal the sick and to cast out devils. But Judas did not come to the point of surrendering himself fully to Christ. He did not give up his worldly ambition or his love of money. While he accepted the position of a minister of Christ, he did not bring himself under the divine molding. He felt that he could retain his own judgment and opinions, and he cultivated a disposition to criticize and accuse. {DA 716.4}
In his own estimation he was an honor to the cause, and as such he always represented himself. {DA 717.1}
Judas was blinded to his own weakness of character, and Christ placed him where he would have an opportunity to see and correct this. As treasurer for the disciples, he was called upon to provide for the needs of the little company, and to relieve the necessities of the poor. When in the Passover chamber Jesus said to him, "That thou doest, do quickly" (John 13:27), the disciples thought He had bidden him
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buy what was needed for the feast, or give something to the poor. In ministering to others, Judas might have developed an unselfish spirit. But while listening daily to the lessons of Christ and witnessing His unselfish life, Judas indulged his covetous disposition. The small sums that came into his hands were a continual temptation. Often when he did a little service for Christ, or devoted time to religious purposes, he paid himself out of this meager fund. In his own eyes these pretexts served to excuse his action; but in God's sight he was a thief. {DA 717.2}
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I think in some cases, the televangelists start out with a true fire for Jesus Christ, but when riches and power come their way, the Devil begins to tell them, it's not God that is doing this, but themselves. They forget that it is Jesus Christ that gave them the place they have. Altimately, it is Jesus Christ that takes it away from them and brings them down. Hopefully it brings them to their knees. In some cases it doesn't. So far, it doesn't seem to have brought Danny down far enough, but He will.
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To the followers of David Koresh and Jim Jones, those two men were annointed of God. Why? Because they said the things their followers wanted to hear, the things that they would expect God to say. Were they annointed? Did they do any good? Sure they did! Jones worked tirelessly to feed, cloth and house the needy, and brought them into church. Yes, he abused them, and ended up killing them, but he "brought them to the Lord" before he killed them. Charlemaigne converted tens of thousands of pagans to Christianity in a matter of days. Yes, the 40,000 who didn't convert were immediately beheaded, but he did bring the others to the Lord. Of course, it was just a means of expanding his empire, but the Germanic lands were Christianized at the tip of his sword. Was he annointed of God to do what he did? Is the sacrifice of human lives and souls an acceptable part of what God anoints and appoints? I hope not. That would make him not much different than Baal. You can protest that we are not talking about someone who has murdered, but sacrifice of people doesn't always include murder.
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OK, ok, I can go with all of this and then add, that is why we are encouraged to study for ourselves, and most importantly to have a personal relationship with God. We need to do this in order to determine which is the voice of God, his annoited, His appointed. We as Adventist talk about truth being mixed with error. We also know that sometimes it is mostly truth and that error is soo very subtle, only a reliance on a personal relationship with Christ will make the difference. I beleive this is the lesson we all should learn from these types of situations.
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The loud cry the end of days the close of probation all of these miraculous events in there entirety as of yet (in my observation) have not happen. So for me I am expecting God to work in a way that we currently do not understand in simple means that we have previously IGNORED OR HAVE no knowledge of. Whereas I do see the doors opening up all over the world for the proclamation of the gospel to the extent of making Adventism revelant world wide that has not happen Except in the mind of a few who limit the scope of Gods power (AND THIS GOSPEL SHALL BE PREACHED UNTO ALLTHE WORLD AND THEN SHALL THE END COME. Adventism is a very small and unknown group by worldly standards. And the type of Adventism being preached now, by in large, is not at all what Ellen G. White and others envisioned it to be (from our medical institutions) to the health message etc...
OK, ok, I can go with all of this and then add, that is why we are encouraged to study for ourselves, and most importantly to have a personal relationship with God. We need to do this in order to determine which is the voice of God, his annoited, His appointed. We as Adventist talk about truth being mixed with error. We also know that sometimes it is mostly truth and that error is soo very subtle, only a reliance on a personal relationship with Christ will make the difference. I beleive this is the lesson we all should learn from these types of situations.
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Here, Here...amd what must we do to bring in revival and reformation?
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Now here we agree.....so far.....I dont' quite know in which areas you have issues, but I do k now that we, like the COI went left(or right....off the path anywho) at somepoint and now we have waundered from from home...
The loud cry the end of days the close of probation all of these miraculous events in there entirety as of yet (in my observation) have not happen. So for me I am expecting God to work in a way that we currently do not understand in simple means that we have previously IGNORED OR HAVE no knowledge of. Whereas I do see the doors opening up all over the world for the proclamation of the gospel to the extent of making Adventism revelant world wide that has not happen Except in the mind of a few who limit the scope of Gods power (AND THIS GOSPEL SHALL BE PREACHED UNTO ALLTHE WORLD AND THEN SHALL THE END COME. Adventism is a very small and unknown group by worldly standards. And the type of Adventism being preached now, by in large, is not at all what Ellen G. White and others envisioned it to be (from our medical institutions) to the health message etc...
OK, ok, I can go with all of this and then add, that is why we are encouraged to study for ourselves, and most importantly to have a personal relationship with God. We need to do this in order to determine which is the voice of God, his annoited, His appointed. We as Adventist talk about truth being mixed with error. We also know that sometimes it is mostly truth and that error is soo very subtle, only a reliance on a personal relationship with Christ will make the difference. I beleive this is the lesson we all should learn from these types of situations.
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Yet another Sign of the times...ahain, I await the false revival and then the battle will be joined as never before seen...but, we must also face a time of trouble such as has never before seen and the only way to prepare is to rely soley upon our
relationship with Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Here, Here...amd what must we do to bring in revival and reformation?
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Will it be spiritual? Doctrinal? Physical? Relationship? Church? Family?
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Ok, so reading back over this thread, I still agree and disagree in the areas stated in my posts above.
However, as I think about this. We could argue this for as long as we like, but the bottom line is that David was annoited and appointed and went just about as wrong as you can go. It makes no difference if it was King or priest, David had an responsibility to walk in that annointing. He failed to do so on many occasions. I don't know of any who are claimed or claim themselves annointed and appointed to have gone so far off from that calling. So the fact that they go down the wrong path is no indiciation that there were not called, appointed, or even annointed. I am with mrst, I believe most start out believing in their calling and then their frailties get the best of them.
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So true, we agree, DAVID was anointed. However, I fail to see where him being anointed has anything to do with whether Danny was anointed or appointed by God? I still don't understand why you believe Danny was anointed or appointed except from the lips of Danny and his friends. And since he is and independent ministry and non denominational who anointed Him? We know from the Bible that the prophet anointed Samuel anointed David but who anointed Danny? We know that Ellen G. White had to meet the criteria of a prophet as set by the Bible in order for us to except her as sent and anointed. So please tell me where you get any of the evidence that Danny was anointed. Unless you are using the fact that David's name starts with a D and so does Danny. (smile)
Ok, so reading back over this thread, I still agree and disagree in the areas stated in my posts above.
However, as I think about this. We could argue this for as long as we like, but the bottom line is that David was annoited and appointed and went just about as wrong as you can go. It makes no difference if it was King or priest, David had an responsibility to walk in that annointing. He failed to do so on many occasions. I don't know of any who are claimed or claim themselves annointed and appointed to have gone so far off from that calling. So the fact that they go down the wrong path is no indiciation that there were not called, appointed, or even annointed. I am with mrst, I believe most start out believing in their calling and then their frailties get the best of them.
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Princesdi, please don't even try to compare King David with Danny Shelton. King David had his sin pointed out to him and he spent a week on his face in repentence. He admitted that he was wrong.
Harold.
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Thank you, Harold.
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In comparison, Danny toward the end of 2007 acknowledged that things had gone awry in his personal life because of his lack of faith, and then he had the gall to criticize his listeners for a lack of faith demonstrated by their not sending in donations because of the problems they had heard about.
A lack of faith in not sending in donations, which could then get used to pay for his personal vendetta lawsuit against us, or put into his pocket in the form of kickbacks and royalties from Remnant?
Do we read anywhere in Scripture of David turning his misdeeds into fund raising pitches? How would that have demonstrated repentance?
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So true, we agree, DAVID was anointed. However, I fail to see where him being anointed has anything to do with whether Danny was anointed or appointed by God?
Both are claimed to be annointed and appointed by God to do a task for Him. For David, the authority is the Bible, which we believe to be true. For Danny, at this point the authority is himself and his friends, both of whom you all have issues and believe to be the spawn of satan, so you don't beleive it. Not saying that I agree or disagree, just stating the facts.
I still don't understand why you believe Danny was anointed or appointed except from the lips of Danny and his friends. And since he is and independent ministry and non denominational who anointed Him?
Ok so God on annoints SDA ministries?
We know from the Bible that the prophet anointed Samuel anointed David but who anointed Danny? We know that Ellen G. White had to meet the criteria of a prophet as set by the Bible in order for us to except her as sent and anointed.
So please tell me where you get any of the evidence that Danny was anointed. Unless you are using the fact that David's name starts with a D and so does Danny. (smile)
You are so funny, Christian. This is why I like chatting with you. Answer me this, before approximately 7 years ago and Danny's apparent mid-life crisis, did any of you have any problem with the fact that God had chosen Danny[and Linda] to establish 3ABN?
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Answer me this, before approximately 7 years ago and Danny's apparent mid-life crisis, did any of you have any problem with the fact that God had chosen Danny[and Linda] to establish 3ABN?
In fact many church leaders and people who had been through 3ABN and knew it behind the scenes did.
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It apparantly didn't begin with Danny's midlife crisis but went back years and years to the time he claims he was annointed or appointed and even earlier than that. It is just that I for one was taking his claims at face value and believing what I saw on tv and had no reason to question them. It wasn't until he started accusing others that I wanted to find out if the accusations were true. Didn't have bias one way or the other but soon started to beleive that he was acting very suspiciously and did some investigating. Not only was very disillusioned by what I found out but soon found out that it was even worse than I feared.
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and I believe your words in sincerity. Truth has a way of speaking.
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The fact remains that you all had all confidence in Danny's[and Linda's] appointing and anointing by God to establish 3ABN, not only as a ministry, but a treasured and sacred SDA ministry. It was not until you found out that Danny had "faults", that you questioned him, after 20 years.
God's anointing nor His appointment are never a mistake or wrong. He clearly understands that He choses to deal with flawed man in His plans for the earth. Man always has free will, even within that anointing and appointment to the cause of God. We don't always make the right choices. That doesn't mean that God didn't make the right choice. i am almost positive if we all lived in the midst of David's mess, you all would also be questioning his anointing and appointment as king.
So my final question to you all is, are you questioning God's choice based on the fact that Danny sinned. Or God could not have chosen Danny based on the fact that his sinned? If so, do you believe David was any less anointed and appointed by mistake.....because he sinned? Don't like the Analogy to David. let's try Adam and Eve. How much more chosen, appoint anointed can you get than to be created with God's own hands to begin the race of man, and the results? How about Noah? What a mighty task he was given, and at the end the first thing he does is plant a vineyard, make wine, get seriously drunk, and cuss out his own son. Was that choice a mistake?
I know some things come a bit slowly here, mainly because you all aren't really tryna' here this. ALL of those mentioned above have two things in common. First, they were anointed(appointed, chosen, set aside) to do a great task for God. Secondly, they all "fell" in the course of accomplishing that task. What you all have to decide is if you want to say that God made a mistake in His choice. OR that God would never, ever choose anyone who would sin. Simple question.
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I don't think God chose Danny. I think that Danny chose to do what Danny chose to do and that since God uses anything and everything He can that any of us does - good or bad to work for the salvation of lost souls - well sure any positive things that Danny did God can use for the good of those who will ultimately be saved. So may some of the things that the roman emperors who threw Christians to the lions work for the good of the church. The blood of martyrs was the seed of the Christian religion.
Many Adventists want to convince others of the superiority of their religion. They are very comptitive. They may feel satisfaction and want the credit for their "wins". It is possible that they may be lost and be among those who question God saying " didn't we do this and didn't we do that?". God may say "I never knew you." Some of their converts may be baptized into the church unconverted. Yet some of the converts may truly converted and not just intellectually convinced. I would give the credit for this to the Holy Spirit not to Danny or to any person.
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First, Princess you will never find where I have implied that Danny was a spawn of the Devil. Secondly, I never ever even before anything came out about Danny view him as the anointed one of God, I saw him only in the light of an Adventist Christian network, I never ever went that deep into him or Linda as it relates to David, or Samuel, Enoch, Elisha. I simply saw Danny and Linda as good people trying to spread the Gospel. It was only later that I began to think he was a spawn of Satan (just kidding) I hope that isn't true, is it?
So true, we agree, DAVID was anointed. However, I fail to see where him being anointed has anything to do with whether Danny was anointed or appointed by God?
Both are claimed to be annointed and appointed by God to do a task for Him. For David, the authority is the Bible, which we believe to be true. For Danny, at this point the authority is himself and his friends, both of whom you all have issues and believe to be the spawn of satan, so you don't beleive it. Not saying that I agree or disagree, just stating the facts.
I still don't understand why you believe Danny was anointed or appointed except from the lips of Danny and his friends. And since he is and independent ministry and non denominational who anointed Him?
Ok so God on annoints SDA ministries?
We know from the Bible that the prophet anointed Samuel anointed David but who anointed Danny? We know that Ellen G. White had to meet the criteria of a prophet as set by the Bible in order for us to except her as sent and anointed.
So please tell me where you get any of the evidence that Danny was anointed. Unless you are using the fact that David's name starts with a D and so does Danny. (smile)
You are so funny, Christian. This is why I like chatting with you. Answer me this, before approximately 7 years ago and Danny's apparent mid-life crisis, did any of you have any problem with the fact that God had chosen Danny[and Linda] to establish 3ABN?
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LOL!!!! Well, I said that, but it is more like personified sin. Some are only seeing him in light of his sins. That bothers me because I think about if god thought of us that way, and He could think of ALL of us that way. Instead He sent His Son to die for our sins, while we were yet in our sins. That means Danny, too. this conversation is always a losing battle for me, but I have shope to help someone see ALL of their brothers and sisters in Christ through God's eyes.
First, Princess you will never find where I have implied that Danny was a spawn of the Devil. Secondly, I never ever even before anything came out about Danny view him as the anointed one of God, I saw him only in the light of an Adventist Christian network, I never ever went that deep into him or Linda as it relates to David, or Samuel, Enoch, Elisha. I simply saw Danny and Linda as good people trying to spread the Gospel. It was only later that I began to think he was a spawn of Satan (just kidding) I hope that isn't true, is it?
So true, we agree, DAVID was anointed. However, I fail to see where him being anointed has anything to do with whether Danny was anointed or appointed by God?
Both are claimed to be annointed and appointed by God to do a task for Him. For David, the authority is the Bible, which we believe to be true. For Danny, at this point the authority is himself and his friends, both of whom you all have issues and believe to be the spawn of satan, so you don't beleive it. Not saying that I agree or disagree, just stating the facts.
I still don't understand why you believe Danny was anointed or appointed except from the lips of Danny and his friends. And since he is and independent ministry and non denominational who anointed Him?
Ok so God on annoints SDA ministries?
We know from the Bible that the prophet anointed Samuel anointed David but who anointed Danny? We know that Ellen G. White had to meet the criteria of a prophet as set by the Bible in order for us to except her as sent and anointed.
So please tell me where you get any of the evidence that Danny was anointed. Unless you are using the fact that David's name starts with a D and so does Danny. (smile)
You are so funny, Christian. This is why I like chatting with you. Answer me this, before approximately 7 years ago and Danny's apparent mid-life crisis, did any of you have any problem with the fact that God had chosen Danny[and Linda] to establish 3ABN?
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In the end it is up to God to judge isn't it? When someone repents I figure God forgives them and frankly they do not have to repent for me to forgive what they may have done to me. But I am not going to be stupid and put temptation in their way. There is no indication that Danny has repented but even if he did considering his past history I would not allow him access to donor's money or to power within the church as it would be a temptation.
There was a time when I thought he was chosen by the Lord as a rebuke to those in power in the church because I took him at his word that he was a humble teachable person and I thought he needed encouragement. But I only looked at the outward appearance. No one claimed to have a work from the Lord on this.
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In principle I agree with you, PD. I have met a number of worse individuals during my life. I have tried to see them all as God sees them, and I'd like to do it in this case too. What makes this case so radically different is that the person involved here surrounds himself with people who not only ignore but defend his evil actions by attempting to transform the evil deeds into good. This is not how a loving and just God takes care of things. This is not justification by faith which is the core of a true Christian belief.
No wonder these people say bad things about you and me. May God forgive them for . . .
LOL!!!! Well, I said that, but it is more like personified sin. Some are only seeing him in light of his sins. That bothers me because I think about if god thought of us that way, and He could think of ALL of us that way. Instead He sent His Son to die for our sins, while we were yet in our sins. That means Danny, too. this conversation is always a losing battle for me, but I have shope to help someone see ALL of their brothers and sisters in Christ through God's eyes.
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I meant to say there was no Word from the Lord not work. Couldn't see how to modify the original post when I noticed it.
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Agreed. Johann. I am by no means even sugesting that bad behavior be ignored or even tolerated. Every choice has it's consequences, good or bad. That is the price of free will. Sin carries it's own consequences more immediate than that of God's eventual judgement. However, even in that we have to change our view, that they don't become personified sin, but a brother or sister who has sadly waundered from God. THIS BY NO MEANS suggests that you, Linda, or anyone place themselves within Danny's line of fire while he is operating in his weakness.......hurting people hurt others.
In principle I agree with you, PD. I have met a number of worse individuals during my life. I have tried to see them all as God sees them, and I'd like to do it in this case too. What makes this case so radically different is that the person involved here surrounds himself with people who not only ignore but defend his evil actions by attempting to transform the evil deeds into good. This is not how a loving and just God takes care of things. This is not justification by faith which is the core of a true Christian belief.
No wonder these people say bad things about you and me. May God forgive them for . . .
LOL!!!! Well, I said that, but it is more like personified sin. Some are only seeing him in light of his sins. That bothers me because I think about if god thought of us that way, and He could think of ALL of us that way. Instead He sent His Son to die for our sins, while we were yet in our sins. That means Danny, too. this conversation is always a losing battle for me, but I have shope to help someone see ALL of their brothers and sisters in Christ through God's eyes.
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Okay, Princess I will go there and see him in Gods eyes as I see God. I will love him I will exorte him I will plead with him out of love to repent. But, in the end if he dont repent he will burn in flames (though I will light the fire quickly as to hurt but be over quickly). there has to be a balance. I have often said if he had gotten off of 3ABN and not used it to be a prop for his sin we would not be involved. But he went so far as to defend his actions through the ministry even going as far as to marry the lady on the compound. So okay here it is DANNY WE WILL LOVE YOU BUT IF YOU DONT STOP YOU ARE GOING TO BE CRISPY FRIES OR CHARCOAL MEAT. AND YOU WILL STAND OUTSIDE THE NEW JERUSELM AND WATCH YOUR SINS AND SEE GODS MERCIES. THEN A GREAT WHITE THROWN WILL BE LIFTED UP AND FIRE AND BRIMSTONE WILL BE RAINED UPON YOU AND YOUR SINS.
LOL!!!! Well, I said that, but it is more like personified sin. Some are only seeing him in light of his sins. That bothers me because I think about if god thought of us that way, and He could think of ALL of us that way. Instead He sent His Son to die for our sins, while we were yet in our sins. That means Danny, too. this conversation is always a losing battle for me, but I have shope to help someone see ALL of their brothers and sisters in Christ through God's eyes.
First, Princess you will never find where I have implied that Danny was a spawn of the Devil. Secondly, I never ever even before anything came out about Danny view him as the anointed one of God, I saw him only in the light of an Adventist Christian network, I never ever went that deep into him or Linda as it relates to David, or Samuel, Enoch, Elisha. I simply saw Danny and Linda as good people trying to spread the Gospel. It was only later that I began to think he was a spawn of Satan (just kidding) I hope that isn't true, is it?
So true, we agree, DAVID was anointed. However, I fail to see where him being anointed has anything to do with whether Danny was anointed or appointed by God?
Both are claimed to be annointed and appointed by God to do a task for Him. For David, the authority is the Bible, which we believe to be true. For Danny, at this point the authority is himself and his friends, both of whom you all have issues and believe to be the spawn of satan, so you don't beleive it. Not saying that I agree or disagree, just stating the facts.
I still don't understand why you believe Danny was anointed or appointed except from the lips of Danny and his friends. And since he is and independent ministry and non denominational who anointed Him?
Ok so God on annoints SDA ministries?
We know from the Bible that the prophet anointed Samuel anointed David but who anointed Danny? We know that Ellen G. White had to meet the criteria of a prophet as set by the Bible in order for us to except her as sent and anointed.
So please tell me where you get any of the evidence that Danny was anointed. Unless you are using the fact that David's name starts with a D and so does Danny. (smile)
You are so funny, Christian. This is why I like chatting with you. Answer me this, before approximately 7 years ago and Danny's apparent mid-life crisis, did any of you have any problem with the fact that God had chosen Danny[and Linda] to establish 3ABN?
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Folks, If you think of Jesus' life he forgave what people did to Him personally. He even prayed on the cross that His Father would forgive those who were crucifying Him.
However the people who He actually shouted at, the people who He called bad names and those whose sins He candidly pointed were those such as Herod (that old fox), the buyers and sellers in the temple and the scribes and pharisees because they used their positions within the church, their political power and their supposed sanctity to harm those they had power over, especially the poor people and those people who were not respected or were powerless. He stood up for others and was also zealous that His father and His Father's house be respected and reverenced.
He could do this because He was sinless and because He could read hearts. We cannot. But we can forgive what people do to us personally, we can stand up for others when their dignity and rights are not respected and we can speak up for God when His character is misrepresented.
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Yes,
Now did anyone see the interview with the Rafferty(sp ?) about 2 to 4 am. with Shelly and hubby. Are they preparing the way for DS? and what good was that to bear their personal laundry. They claim to help other people. That was the first I heard of that and was absolutely in shock that they agreed or wanted to do that under the guise of "Exposure" for the good. Actually I did not even know what to think of it at first trying hard to get the drift and then it hit me. I no longer thought it was OK. It basically in a broad picture showed "everybody is capable" of these inner sins. What I came away with was "embarrassment for them" and "exploiting" them on national TV for what purpose other then to "humiliate" and think it is OK. I have very mixed emotions over what I saw and wondered why these people did this. I think mostly it is between them and God. What ever the case I do not understand what this did to me feeling this way and I certainly do not think more of them for doing it but less. Why?? I almost felt like the devil was having a big laugh! You know I could be wrong but why didn't I feel good about seeing this. I can never think of them now as quite stable people for doing it. We have enough scripture that counteracts these sins. Even if DS came to repent it needs to be to the people he did it too but then he did it publicly where this other did not need to be public. I wish I would not have seen that cause I always liked the study of the two men but then did not see them for a few years. Shelly seems to be a setter upper to lay out sins that are between 2 personal lives in marriage. I did not like it....I guess! I don't like the "Intervention" stories either as people are asked to "exploit theirselves" for public view. I don't watch the other on national TV either. Something must be wrong with me to not want to watch other peoples sadness and mistakes. That is the only time I do not like the finer details of the worst sins. and TS did some of the worst and I definitely spout off on it. Tell me if anyone can please... would anyone enjoy the finer details in 2-4 hours of all DS escapades??? It just takes repentance and that is it without the goryness.
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Well said christian!!! Crispy fries!! I have a BFF who says "crispy critters". LOL!!! Hilarious!
Just reiterate, I NEVER said anything about ignoring or excusing anyone's bad behavior(Danny doess to ask forgiveness, make admends, etc. i will say that I am not sure whee he is on this particular journey. TS just needs to [ay the full price for his transgressions against children and young men). Only that we remember how our Heavenly Father treats us in the midst of our own bad behavior. That is my only point.
Okay, Princess I will go there and see him in Gods eyes as I see God. I will love him I will exorte him I will plead with him out of love to repent. But, in the end if he dont repent he will burn in flames (though I will light the fire quickly as to hurt but be over quickly). there has to be a balance. I have often said if he had gotten off of 3ABN and not used it to be a prop for his sin we would not be involved. But he went so far as to defend his actions through the ministry even going as far as to marry the lady on the compound. So okay here it is DANNY WE WILL LOVE YOU BUT IF YOU DONT STOP YOU ARE GOING TO BE CRISPY FRIES OR CHARCOAL MEAT. AND YOU WILL STAND OUTSIDE THE NEW JERUSELM AND WATCH YOUR SINS AND SEE GODS MERCIES. THEN A GREAT WHITE THROWN WILL BE LIFTED UP AND FIRE AND BRIMSTONE WILL BE RAINED UPON YOU AND YOUR SINS.
LOL!!!! Well, I said that, but it is more like personified sin. Some are only seeing him in light of his sins. That bothers me because I think about if god thought of us that way, and He could think of ALL of us that way. Instead He sent His Son to die for our sins, while we were yet in our sins. That means Danny, too. this conversation is always a losing battle for me, but I have shope to help someone see ALL of their brothers and sisters in Christ through God's eyes.
First, Princess you will never find where I have implied that Danny was a spawn of the Devil. Secondly, I never ever even before anything came out about Danny view him as the anointed one of God, I saw him only in the light of an Adventist Christian network, I never ever went that deep into him or Linda as it relates to David, or Samuel, Enoch, Elisha. I simply saw Danny and Linda as good people trying to spread the Gospel. It was only later that I began to think he was a spawn of Satan (just kidding) I hope that isn't true, is it?
So true, we agree, DAVID was anointed. However, I fail to see where him being anointed has anything to do with whether Danny was anointed or appointed by God?
Both are claimed to be annointed and appointed by God to do a task for Him. For David, the authority is the Bible, which we believe to be true. For Danny, at this point the authority is himself and his friends, both of whom you all have issues and believe to be the spawn of satan, so you don't beleive it. Not saying that I agree or disagree, just stating the facts.
I still don't understand why you believe Danny was anointed or appointed except from the lips of Danny and his friends. And since he is and independent ministry and non denominational who anointed Him?
Ok so God on annoints SDA ministries?
We know from the Bible that the prophet anointed Samuel anointed David but who anointed Danny? We know that Ellen G. White had to meet the criteria of a prophet as set by the Bible in order for us to except her as sent and anointed.
So please tell me where you get any of the evidence that Danny was anointed. Unless you are using the fact that David's name starts with a D and so does Danny. (smile)
You are so funny, Christian. This is why I like chatting with you. Answer me this, before approximately 7 years ago and Danny's apparent mid-life crisis, did any of you have any problem with the fact that God had chosen Danny[and Linda] to establish 3ABN?
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I am just glad that God can't see my sins the way we see each other sins, nor does He judge us the way we judge us the way we do ourselves or each other. I am glad that I am covered by the blood of Jesus Christ His Son. What kind of world would this be without the Blood?
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I am just glad that God can't see my sins the way we see each other sins, nor does He judge us the way we judge us the way we do ourselves or each other. I am glad that I am covered by the blood of Jesus Christ His Son. What kind of world would this be without the Blood?
:goodpost: :amen:
Very well said, mrst53!
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Christian, Who anointed the Apostle Paul? And if he was, what evidence is there to prove it?
So true, we agree, DAVID was anointed. However, I fail to see where him being anointed has anything to do with whether Danny was anointed or appointed by God? I still don't understand why you believe Danny was anointed or appointed except from the lips of Danny and his friends. And since he is and independent ministry and non denominational who anointed Him? We know from the Bible that the prophet anointed Samuel anointed David but who anointed Danny? We know that Ellen G. White had to meet the criteria of a prophet as set by the Bible in order for us to except her as sent and anointed. So please tell me where you get any of the evidence that Danny was anointed. Unless you are using the fact that David's name starts with a D and so does Danny. (smile)
Ok, so reading back over this thread, I still agree and disagree in the areas stated in my posts above.
However, as I think about this. We could argue this for as long as we like, but the bottom line is that David was annoited and appointed and went just about as wrong as you can go. It makes no difference if it was King or priest, David had an responsibility to walk in that annointing. He failed to do so on many occasions. I don't know of any who are claimed or claim themselves annointed and appointed to have gone so far off from that calling. So the fact that they go down the wrong path is no indiciation that there were not called, appointed, or even annointed. I am with mrst, I believe most start out believing in their calling and then their frailties get the best of them.
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Christian, Who anointed the Apostle Paul? And if he was, what evidence is there to prove it?
God called him. (Paul had a calling)
Hands were laid upon him (He was set apart as a chosen vessel). He was filled with the Holy Spirit after this. His appointment was to bear God's name before Gentiles, kings, and the Children of Israel.
Acts 9:6-17
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here , Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
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I know that's right Mrst! Whether it was cries or critters, we would be crispy in a hot minute!
I am just glad that God can't see my sins the way we see each other sins, nor does He judge us the way we judge us the way we do ourselves or each other. I am glad that I am covered by the blood of Jesus Christ His Son. What kind of world would this be without the Blood?
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I s'pose its essential to read the Bible to know this.
Christian, Who anointed the Apostle Paul? And if he was, what evidence is there to prove it?
God called him. (Paul had a calling)
Hands were laid upon him (He was set apart as a chosen vessel). He was filled with the Holy Spirit after this. His appointment was to bear God's name before Gentiles, kings, and the Children of Israel.
Acts 9:6-17
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here , Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
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Hi, Tinka.
Yes, I saw a rerun of the show, "Thursday Night Live," Sunday afternoon. I agree. It would have been better to have left that one off. I know them both, and was really sorry to see how close they came.
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Harold, Tinka what is it exactly that comfessed to on the show? Now, we are supposed to confess our faults to one another, the Bible says, for a God given source of encouragement from our brothers and sisters. The reason most people don't, maybe because of the response by Tinka and Harold. it just is not safe.People may still judge you by sins of which God has alreayd forgiven.
Then there just is bad taste........so which is it? What did they do?
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Di,
Rici R. bore all her personal sins she did against her husband in another affair. I really do not believe it is helpful in public eye when her husband is in public eye with the role that he has. He did nothing wrong except maybe show he was lax in keeping a wife when he is so busy cause Rici bore her wandering ways. Either way did not help their cause. Their trial was not for public view as they have nothing to do with pleading for public funds under the guise of religion and making people believe their character one way when living another in position and in control as the whole 3abn.
After all the years of marriage for me I can say. True love, true devotion, true committment to God will not let you wander to another if the other is totally faithful to you. Pride, vanity and selfishness of ones own self will take what one so desires at weak points. How could you do this even to your children of said marriage if any?
Kind of like me and the jewelry. I think it is so pretty and so flashy. Yes have wandered in the stores to look at it but will not wear it or have. I pass it everytime in the back isle where I get my clothes soap at Sams. I decided to wait on it if I ever get to heaven where Jesus will give me what he wants and if he doesnt. Heaven is well enough. Rici found hers at the gym. and here we are as the whole group can talk and wonder about it. So what good was it they did this. Embarrassing for them I am sure or maybe not.. Shows more weakness at 3abn. now who doesn't do this there??? One can only think and speculate and now you know why I brought up the Interview of Shelly and the Raffertys.
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"Another affair"? Are you sure there was more than one difficulty?
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Harold, Tinka what is it exactly that comfessed to on the show? Now, we are supposed to confess our faults to one another, the Bible says, for a God given source of encouragement from our brothers and sisters. The reason most people don't, maybe because of the response by Tinka and Harold. it just is not safe.People may still judge you by sins of which God has alreayd forgiven.
Then there just is bad taste........so which is it? What did they do?
As the Bible says, 'to one another'. I don't think that means you are to do your 'laundry' in front of the whole world.
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Aaaaaaaahhhhh! I see. But then I have to think of the prophet Hosea and how his story with an errant wife in there for all to view, for all time so far, right? Would we say that was unnecessary? His wife even had children from her exploits, right?
I also would consider that particular testimony might not have been for you or Tinka, who are not tempted in that area. God might have meant it for someone who is now struggling. That is the intended ministry is it not? I am sure over the years 3ABN has had people on who came on to give testimony to overcoming any numbers of situations, drugs, alcohol, the horrors of street life......etc. There is a serious problem within society and the church with moral sin, some testimonies of those who have overcome, come back from the brink of the guilt, condemnation this type of sins brings, and spiritual and practical(Example: when an alcoholic you don't go where they are drinking alcohol) ways they continue to be victorious might be of value to somebody.
Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head. Oh, yes one more thought, her husband cannot "keep" her from falling............" to Him Who is able to keep you from falling" doesn't refer to Rici's husband, right? I have to believe that was male ego talking. Understandable, but not practical or biblical
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The Rafferty's made this public a number of years ago. Does anyone recall that?
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Never heard of it till now, just didnot like the added fanfare to add to what is going on. then when my 3abn dish did not work anymore I did not watch it for several years. A change from Direct tv to Dishnet gave me 3abn automatically with the lowest package deal. They say it is on all packages that you subcribe too.
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This reminds me of what Adam and Eve replied in the Garden when they were hiding from God and he asked them why they knew they were naked. "the woman you gave to me" ...."the serpent begiled me and I did eat" .... EXCUSES.
Airing dirty laundry on world wide tv is not acceptable, in my opinion. Giving excuses for what happened between the two of them doesn't give them the right to council others. At this time I don't have an alternative solution how they should have talked.
Just my personal opinion.
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Thank you for your opinion too. It just was not the right thing to do and wondered if it was just me that felt somewhat sick over it.
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In fact Matthew 18 prescribes a very clear progression of steps that requires public exhortation, albeit to bring reconciliation. And so does Timothy.
What I have come to dispise is the Adventist arguement that "I have no problem with dealing with the truth, but the way you did it was wrong", and usually by members who know there is wrongful conduct bit would really elect to do nothing to acheive justice. Hypocracy and a lack of spine and character is the prevalent issue in Adventism and allows the Danny Lee shelton to exist without accountability.
I am long past a time when I cared how any one of you like my delivery...if it is the truth, deal with it, don't waste your time blaming me for your failure to hold miscreeants accountable.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Harold, Tinka what is it exactly that comfessed to on the show? Now, we are supposed to confess our faults to one another, the Bible says, for a God given source of encouragement from our brothers and sisters. The reason most people don't, maybe because of the response by Tinka and Harold. it just is not safe.People may still judge you by sins of which God has alreayd forgiven.
Then there just is bad taste........so which is it? What did they do?
As the Bible says, 'to one another'. I don't think that means you are to do your 'laundry' in front of the whole world.
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True confession is always of a specific character, and acknowledges particular sins. They may be of such a nature as to be brought before God only; they may be wrongs that should be confessed to individuals who have suffered injury through them; or they may be of a public character, and should then be as publicly confessed. But all confession should be definite and to the point, acknowledging the very sins of which you are guilty. {FLB 128.3}
Many, many confessions should never be spoken in the hearing of mortals; for the result is that which the limited judgment of finite beings does not anticipate. . . . God will be better glorified if we confess the secret, inbred corruption of the heart to Jesus alone than if we open its recesses to finite, erring man, who cannot judge righteously unless his heart is constantly imbued with the Spirit of God. . . . Do not pour into human ears the story which God alone should hear. {FLB 128.4}
The confession that is the outpouring of the inmost soul finds its way to the God of infinite pity. {FLB 128.5}
Your sins may be as mountains before you; but if you humble your heart, and confess your sins, trusting in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour, He will forgive, and will cleanse you from all unrighteousness. . . . Desire the fullness of the grace of Christ. Let your heart be filled with an intense longing for His righteousness.
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Public sins to be confessed in public as we see the public abuse of TS and DS, and some personal to God only. In their case it did not happen as the victims must bring to court their abuse. So it seems the Rafferty's should have hid theirs with Jesus only....in my opinion. It did not give me a good feeling afterward. I would rather have not heard their personal story. It is appalling enough that 3abn came into public sins because of their deceit in character of using public pew funds to carry on their lifestyles. It is true, I never look for the bad in people until they divuldge their own personal sludge in intentional sin and unintentional & whether one can discern their choice of close relationalships with them. It is important to discern for the benefit of held offices in the church. If not you get what you get and the leader can bring down a church.