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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on May 18, 2010, 12:57:02 PM
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I've been told that Tommy Shelton will be tried on July 23, 2010, for the heinous crimes he has been accused of.
Sounds like Virginia takes seriously our constitutional right to a speedy trial.
May Tommy be completely exonerated if innocent, and found guilty on all counts if not innocent.
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Is there a civil suit also, and what does that mean? Both trials? For the two victims, or what?
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So Tommy Shelton will be undergoing trials for pedophilia just three weeks after 3ABN finishes broadcasting the Seventh-day Adventist Church General Conference session.
Will 3ABN be in any way involved in the trials?
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From the 3ABN's web site page where music albums are for sale:
Note: 3ABN requests that you not place orders during the Sabbath hours.
3ABN is careful to observe Sabbath proprieties.
However, the name of Tommy Shelton, alleged pedophile indicted with six felony counts, is featured on four of the albums for sale.
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I've been told that Tommy Shelton will be tried on July 23, 2010, for the heinous crimes he has been accused of.
Sounds like Virginia takes seriously our constitutional right to a speedy trial.
May Tommy be completely exonerated if innocent, and found guilty on all counts if not innocent.
This was a preliminary date. Now the time has been set for a two day trial on July 19, and again a two day trail on July 26.
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Artiste, there are two trials since there are two alleged victims.
Thanks for the correction, Johann.
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Will 3ABN be in any way involved in the trials?
We might find out before too long.
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Penny at the other site wants to know why we keep talking about 3ABN in regards to Tommy. It's because some of the incidents happened on 3ABN property and some while he was working for 3ABN.
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And don't forget:
(a) Tommy while working at 3ABN sent out defamatory emails about Linda, suggesting that she committed adultery, but then wouldn't answer questions about his own alleged moral improprieties.
(b) Tommy the alleged pedophile replaced Linda the alleged spiritual adulteress as 3ABN production manager.
(c) Danny apparently arranged for Mike Riva to threaten Glenn Dryden over Tommy in 2003. Odds are that 3ABN footed the legal bill for that letter.
(d) 3ABN aired a tribute to Tommy AFTER the new allegations in Virginia had JUST BEEN PUBLISHED.
(e) The day after ASI pulled out of the investigation they agreed to do at 3ABN's request, Riva threatened the Dunn Loring church trustees with a suit if they didn't shut Dryden up. The timing makes me think that ASI pulled out because Danny or 3ABN had decided to sue.
(f) 3ABN decided to sue Gailon and myself over Save 3ABN when that website was nearly entirely about Tommy.
(g) On Feb. 18, 2010, Attorney Greg Simpson admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy in part "framed the original basis" of 3ABN and Danny's lawsuit against us.
Thus, when one looks at the entire picture, 3ABN is implicated in the cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton.
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Might 3ABN now have to answer to why they did all of this? Any liability?
And don't forget:
(a) Tommy while working at 3ABN sent out defamatory emails about Linda, suggesting that she committed adultery, but then wouldn't answer questions about his own alleged moral improprieties.
(b) Tommy the alleged pedophile replaced Linda the alleged spiritual adulteress as 3ABN production manager.
(c) Danny apparently arranged for Mike Riva to threaten Glenn Dryden over Tommy in 2003. Odds are that 3ABN footed the legal bill for that letter.
(d) 3ABN aired a tribute to Tommy AFTER the new allegations in Virginia had JUST BEEN PUBLISHED.
(e) The day after ASI pulled out of the investigation they agreed to do at 3ABN's request, Riva threatened the Dunn Loring church trustees with a suit if they didn't shut Dryden up. The timing makes me think that ASI pulled out because Danny or 3ABN had decided to sue.
(f) 3ABN decided to sue Gailon and myself over Save 3ABN when that website was nearly entirely about Tommy.
(g) On Feb. 18, 2010, Attorney Greg Simpson admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy in part "framed the original basis" of 3ABN and Danny's lawsuit against us.
Thus, when one looks at the entire picture, 3ABN is implicated in the cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton.
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Panic is setting in at the other site. They never expected Tommy to be arrested, much less go to trial.
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Panic is setting in at the other site. They never expected Tommy to be arrested, much less go to trial.
You think it's desperation why that legal type over there has resorted to slander and lies to smear those concerned about Danny Shelton's cover up of the pedophilia allegations against Tommy?
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Panic is setting in at the other site. They never expected Tommy to be arrested, much less go to trial.
You think it's desperation why that legal type over there has resorted to slander and lies to smear those concerned about Danny Shelton's cover up of the pedophilia allegations against Tommy?
Only reason I can think of. You would think someone studying law would know better.
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Panic is setting in at the other site. They never expected Tommy to be arrested, much less go to trial.
You think it's desperation why that legal type over there has resorted to slander and lies to smear those concerned about Danny Shelton's cover up of the pedophilia allegations against Tommy?
In observing the modus operandi of the Sheltons it becomes obvious that spreading lies about those who blow the whistle on their hidden activities is their strategy to attempt to discredit both their victims and those whistle blowers who are not afraid to tell what they know. Interesting is the fact that they often accuse both of the exact sinful behavior which they themselves have indulged. Lack of imagination? Or is it a question of speaking about what they are most familiar?
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Sister, you know you can only come from your own frame of reference..................What is done in the dark. will come to the light.
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Sister, you know you can only come from your own frame of reference..................What is done in the dark. will come to the light.
And princessdi, you can only come from your own frame of reference... There are others who were/are at 3ABN or know the Sheltons that would concur with my observations. I will give you an example: There were rumors going around 3ABN about a certain individual. That person happened to be quite accomplished playing the piano. Danny wanted to discredit this individual so he spread rumors that this individual was a pedophile. Which was totally incorrect. How did I know Danny was the source of these rumors? I had known this person long before we were at 3ABN and other employees aware of this relationship came to me and asked me if the rumors they heard could be true. I said, "No!". This happened a number of times. Each time I was approached I asked the person where the information originated, the answer was always the same: Danny Shelton. Tommy is accomplished at playing the piano, in fact it was one of the avenues he used to be alone with male children, Tommy is a pedophile. It is easy to conclude that Danny used his knowledge of Tommy's situation to try and ruin the reputation of my friend. This is just one example of Danny's tactics. There are many more I could cite, but this should be enough to give you the idea that I based my opinion on experience.
What is done in the dark, does not always come to the light on this earth, but it already has in Heaven.
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sister,
Now hasn't Danny Shelton always been the best "story teller" in everything?? So your comments would be very beliveable.
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Uh just so we are clear, sister. I was agreeing with you,that the Sheltons(and mostly all of us) can only come from our own frame of reference. They think the way they do becuase in each instance it would be what they would do, or have done. Pedophilia, adultery, and most probably fornication is what pleagues this time and again.......so we se them time and again accuse someone else of their own sins and weaknesses. Can we now admit that it was indeed Danny who was commiting adultery and not Linda? Butwho got accused. Itotally agree and understand your point.
And princessdi, you can only come from your own frame of reference... There are others who were/are at 3ABN or know the Sheltons that would concur with my observations. I will give you an example: There were rumors going around 3ABN about a certain individual. That person happened to be quite accomplished playing the piano. Danny wanted to discredit this individual so he spread rumors that this individual was a pedophile. Which was totally incorrect. How did I know Danny was the source of these rumors? I had known this person long before we were at 3ABN and other employees aware of this relationship came to me and asked me if the rumors they heard could be true. I said, "No!". This happened a number of times. Each time I was approached I asked the person where the information originated, the answer was always the same: Danny Shelton. Tommy is accomplished at playing the piano, in fact it was one of the avenues he used to be alone with male children, Tommy is a pedophile. It is easy to conclude that Danny used his knowledge of Tommy's situation to try and ruin the reputation of my friend. This is just one example of Danny's tactics. There are many more I could cite, but this should be enough to give you the idea that I based my opinion on experience.
What is done in the dark, does not always come to the light on this earth, but it already has in Heaven.
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Uh just so we are clear, sister. I was agreeing with you,that the Sheltons(and mostly all of us) can only come from our own frame of reference. They think the way they do becuase in each instance it would be what they would do, or have done. Pedophilia, adultery, and most probably fornication is what pleagues this time and again.......so we se them time and again accuse someone else of their own sins and weaknesses. Can we now admit that it was indeed Danny who was commiting adultery and not Linda? Butwho got accused. Itotally agree and understand your point.
And princessdi, you can only come from your own frame of reference... There are others who were/are at 3ABN or know the Sheltons that would concur with my observations. I will give you an example: There were rumors going around 3ABN about a certain individual. That person happened to be quite accomplished playing the piano. Danny wanted to discredit this individual so he spread rumors that this individual was a pedophile. Which was totally incorrect. How did I know Danny was the source of these rumors? I had known this person long before we were at 3ABN and other employees aware of this relationship came to me and asked me if the rumors they heard could be true. I said, "No!". This happened a number of times. Each time I was approached I asked the person where the information originated, the answer was always the same: Danny Shelton. Tommy is accomplished at playing the piano, in fact it was one of the avenues he used to be alone with male children, Tommy is a pedophile. It is easy to conclude that Danny used his knowledge of Tommy's situation to try and ruin the reputation of my friend. This is just one example of Danny's tactics. There are many more I could cite, but this should be enough to give you the idea that I based my opinion on experience.
What is done in the dark, does not always come to the light on this earth, but it already has in Heaven.
Thank you for clearing that up, princessdi. With more information comes greater understanding. :wave:
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Why, in all of this, have we not heard from LS? Surely she knows what Tommy has done in the past against Duane and others.
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Why, in all of this, have we not heard from LS? Surely she knows what Tommy has done in the past against Duane and others.
Actually, I don't blame her for steering clear of this. I believe she will cooperate if called upon to testify, but I can completely understand her silence.
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mrst63, Danny and 3ABN padi 250k for that silence, and just like LS, I would give them their money's worth! LOL!!! Danny thought he was buying her silence(at a bargain basement price) about the ending of their marriage,. Instead, he was left the only talking when the really hard questions came.
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I don't believe I could stay silent in a situation like this, where so many people are not only being hurt, but also called liars over and over again. At some point, being a Christian, the person has to make a stand for truth. I realize that LS has been terribly hurt, but allowing DS and his minions to do his bidding again and again, would just add to the hurt.
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But at this point, what would she need to say. infact. There was no time she needed to say anything in this case, as there were always the letters and admission of guilt. Just nothing done criminally or legally. The only people who seem to need convincing are those who continue to proclaim innocence that TS himself does not. So it would be a waste of anyone's breath, including LS, to try to persuade them, even as he is being prosecuted.
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I suppose, and I guess you all know LS better than I. So if it becomes necessary that she testify, then I guess she will. Believe me, I am not trying to condemn her. I would not want to be in her shoes for anything in the world.
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FYI
Former Vice President of 3ABN, and Secretary of the 3ABN board, Linda Shelton, speaking out on her personal web site March 8 2007, after Pickle and Joy published their allegations against TS and 3ABN, and Pickle did his interview with AToday and they published their article based on that:
Q. How did you feel about hiring members from the Shelton family?
A. There were several Shelton family members involved in 3ABN from the very beginning. They were good workers. However some of the most major, heart-wrenching problems stemmed from the family-work related issues. It destroyed some family relationships for many years. As a result I was strongly against hiring family. The problem became such an issue we sought counsel from Doug Batchelor at one point. Doug was in agreement with me regarding this point of hiring family. So did I at any point hire Tommy? No. Did I know that Tommy had homosexual tendencies? Yes. Did I know the extent of the problem or have the idea that Tommy was a practicing homosexual? Absolutely not.
Edited to add entire quote.
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3d,
But...you did!! No need to comment on LS actions! She's out of there! It is quite obvious she was not of that kind. The other really bad thing is the "shut up" clause for money for her to survive after the " so nicely put letter with so forcibly put actions". One thing very interesting here. If she was the whole fault and all her doing why were 3abn clan worried about what she would say??? after all....isn't this what 3abn's claim on and on- LS did the adultery, so if she wants to talk about it --why pay her not to tell of her own guilt?? Why Why--because that is not the way the story goes!
That was pretty good evil strategy. Once she signed that how would she get her division of property assets?? One makes mistakes under this bamboozle of unbelievable stress. She needs to lower the boom on it all. money or no money! This is an evil situation any way you look at it while the minglers are under this cloak. Life style, "Extravaganza" to support all the "family" and their life styles by the misused funds of SDA while all the time boasting "non denominational" --hidden book money made from non profit. on and on and on. Quite a saga you are defending. Pay day is right around the corner.
edited for extra thought of the matter
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Agreed Tinka. I think it was amatter of DS ego. wife cheating on him with a taller, better looking Dr....Which we kind of know wasn't the case, but might explain why he might not want her talking about it. However, closer to the truth is that he wanted to tell the story he wanted to tell, which had very little to do with the reality of the situation. I have always said she should have hired Gloria Allred(or a lawyer period.).....she would have made sure LS got her fair share, because Allred would have made sure that she herself got paid....Ok? LOL!!!
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You got it right on Princessdi. Control, manipulation, ego problem big way.
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There are times that "lawyers" within the church should be of help in these extreme cases, instead of giving to the outside in cases like this. There wasn't an Adventist around that would help us either. Even tho we could supply a letter from the CU that we should have sued as they could do nothing with the leadership of our predicament.
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I agree, Tinka, but it just really seems LS didn't initially try to get any kind of legal representation or advise. I want to say she was trusting DS, but I really hope not. Also, depending on the lawyer within the church, that might not have been a good idea. These types of situation almost always work to the advantage of the man. I've see it with pastor, elders, decaons. it is always the wife who is ostracized, even if the man was completely wrong.
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Di,
I wonder if LS realized the power behind the scene, especially with that overpowering "letter" of forceful actions that were sooo "honey coated".
The letter that stated do, this, this, and this, if you want to live in your house and "we really hate to lose you" sort of thing. To me Di, if LS would have complied at that time, it would be almost like a "brain washing to agree to all things of the clan". I weighed much of that situation. Sort of end up like the wiffee of TS. Just don't think LS is of that nature. Of course anything is possible until all facts are displayed. I am leaning to sort of thinking that LS will eventually have to make decision -the money or the truth -but like a situation we were once in --does she still try to protect 3abn "child" if you know what I mean. Also I don't think she really trusted DS after a while because I believe the bizarre things he was doing.. I think finally she felt safer to be away. i mean just think of this possibility..... if she did realize some bad stuff, or if you were living some of it your self wouldn't you start getting a little scared if you knew the truth and the extent they were going to prove her or your guilt?? Especially if you knew all accusations were wrong...Just thoughts...
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Maybe it was "good riddance, to bad rubbish" for LS :rabbit:
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mrstc53,
Whether she knew anything from the beginning that could very well be, (she was better off) as all the bad stuff was not seemingly coming from her side of the fence, book money, molestations, distribution of funds where they shouldn't go, adultery (not with just the new woman). but evidently witnesses claim to have seen other with DS.
Her letter published for her freinds in many places between the lines you could read that she knew something was going on with change of DS actions and she still loved him and didn't want what was happening let alone understand why it was happening.
Her name is just not on all that except for the "accusations". You see the actual "evidence" remains on his side of the fence by documents that have been presented on here. (IRS, divorce, marriage, arrests, pending convictions, victims, witnesses). in all things. The only, 2 things that i put on the back burner just a little was a chance of possible charismatic change in SDA "original" beliefs as a little was starting to creep in some presentations. Adventist do not build their faith on emotional jestures of actions but on a truth and way of everyday life and then do it. I did not know where that was starting to come from.
The other is the "accusations" causing the DNA test of Brandy's one child. Now that was a laughing saga that remains to be proven. If DS just would not have pulled all the shenanigans that he did and just did everything properly, there would be no question. But his and Brandy's actions on the matter smelled foul. So no one knows really for sure except them and a round about way of proving negative. They did not follow the rules of court procedure to correctly identify samples taken. Let's just say a child was there! Now, this would be not a good thing if that was just an "accusation" without the proof. Other then that, I do not think that the Dr. of their "accusations with LS" would come out in public with such a detailed letter of the "great denial of it all" for all the world to see and it be such a lie that would cost his soul for "eternity" in "Public". Just thoughts again. You see in order for these outlandish denials like the documents proven is where the sickness lies. and those are deep rooted as the devil's great glee of diverting the honest SDA "pew" money to provide "Extravaganza lifestyle" for the "Shelton clan". and I know you are new on here and do not know what I might be referring to for lifestyle. Sport cars, hair transplants, settling divorces, making profit from non-profit organization jets, raising :horse: plus upkeep and many times I refer to upkeep as "money back to the ground from the "horsefeed" or the "so called volunteer :rabbit: workers that they proclaim on tv --getting "paid" their :horse: feed as they are followers, protectors under the cloak of DS.
But you must understand that we do have wonderful, honest, truthful evangelists and preachers that their programs are run on that programming. This is what I am concerned about also when the :horse: manure hits the fan!!
Mrs, that (laugh) should catch you up. Sure wished it all was not happening as it is so distracting especially for this time of soon coming.
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I agree, Tinka. I just don't see her as that innocent in the midst of all that was going on. However, I also believe she never thought Danny would do her wrong, or like she saw him doing others, until it was too late.......hence the contested Guam divorce.....too little, too late.
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Di,
Are u possibly into "moderations". I don't think you read about LS as I intended. I was not saying she was the fault of this. (smile) except it would have been bad if the DNA situation was brought on by no proof. It was posted- that insinuations were possible with Brandy and DS. Who would do that? That is the only thing I detected coming from possibly other side. What actions did DS do that would warrent that possibility! Somebody knows. and my comment only was that would be not good if just accusations with out proof. and then commented that --the proof did not happen as courts ruling is not 100% because procedures were not followed in identity rules.
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Oh but I believe she is at fault for some of this stuff that went on, either by direct action or her silence and then benefitting from it. she was there from the beginning for 20 years. If she is trying to act as if she was completely ignorant to all that was going on around her, then she deserves to be cheated as she was. I don't believe she was that ignorant.
Also, as I have stated before, I don't need anymore evidence that there existed a DS/Brandy loooooong before the demise of the DS/LS marriage.
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Linda was in charge of programming. Danny was in charge of finance. Each had their separate responsibilities and did not interfer with each others area.
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Is Brandy divorcing DS? If so, what are her grounds? Is she getting a huge settlement? what about the child? I know, I know, we are way off track :ROFL:
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I agree, Tinka, but it just really seems LS didn't initially try to get any kind of legal representation or advise. I want to say she was trusting DS, but I really hope not....
Do you know how pathetic it is to see some koolaid drinker talking to another koolaid drinker who thinks the first knows what they are talking about and has some inside scoop, while both are clueless? Neither of you knows the people you are talking about, have any personal information, and no knowledge of anything except the gossip and libel you have read from people who you don't even know and have no idea if they themselves know the people or can prove what they say. Do you know how sad it is that you may actually deceive others by repeating this garbage?
LS had legal representation and advice! She hired the same lawyer who was against her and won, when her ex-husband ( not DS, the one before that) took her to court and got custody of their son, Nathan. Ask Dr Day, she has notes! - and they were posted on her website.
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Is Brandy divorcing DS? If so, what are her grounds? Is she getting a huge settlement? what about the child? I know, I know, we are way off track :ROFL:
Brandy is in love with another man. Ask her. They had a a prenup, again. ask her! What about the child? She's Brandy's and not Danny's as the paternity tests already proved. We know you don't and won't believe a word Danny says, so again, ask Brandy, she has no reason to lie, and so probably won't, so ask her if you feel you have to, and then, MOVE ON! Every one else besides this little group has. So pathetic...
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Hey, I know nothing about Brandy and Danny...I was just wondering if DS got rid of Brandy the way he did LS and if he spread lies about her the way he did about he did LS. Now wait a minute- Brandy's child is not DS's? Didn't they have her together? Did I lose something here? :dunno:
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mrst53,
It is hard for someone coming in to pick up instantly with some of the arguments of the posts. First of all, very carefully read each word when 3defender writes. I suspect that she is so close to the TS situation that it would be like "cooking" for him. She let her own cat out of the bag for this closeness by giving almost intimate details of conversation between her and Duane. The begging of innocence of forgiveness right on these posts that was supposed to be reminded to Duane for long ago for TS was also intimate.
As far as LS goes, I believe if you had the time to go back and it would almost be impossible to find in so many threads is this. LS had a son and daughter before, DS was not a friend to him son let alone a father. That was the start of beginning reasons (on posts) for outsiders to know. LS found an (I think) Adventist Dr. to help the critical situation of her son while on a trip to another country. They talked back and forth as her son was left there for sometime. DS and others, then accused LS of talking too long to DR. on phone.and the "accusations" started on LS. But many things were also going on behind scenes with DS as other witnesses came forward to share. One was the stepdaughter that notarized a complaint that DS molested her and came into her room at night and she came forward with it. They claimed they had proof on LS with tapes but continually throughout can not produce for proof except that they have it and heard it. and heard tell it does not state what they claim. You must realize also the son, had a choice to go where he wanted. There was no love between DS and LS son for the statements made. Later the son came back to his mother, his mother tried to help him and DS wanted nothing to do with it. Again, you can see by 3d post that she was there "within" maybe sister-in-law to know legal details of personal info of LS first marriage. Now she has the intimate details that "Brandy" was in love with another man. Wow, as I suspect, the money pit (Brandy) of DS did not work. Now how did Brandy manage a hot quick marriage with DS? Was he told something, of maybe previous relationship with her and then it was not true as he tumbled in or DS strong ego with other easy situations (as he previously claimed that women wanted him). Who knows but reasoning is not all that hard. But all and all is the reason that someone put on here that Brandy's one child belonged to DS. and I simply stated that there were shenanigans that went on with that mess. and would not look good for the other side to not have proof of this before suggesting. It still remains to be unknown 100%.
This would have been Brandys 3-4 marriage with child by each. Right thar, DS was not too smar!
Oh, and by the way if you watch how English in writing is, check out the lingo of 3d. What does it take or how is one to protect a child molester? calls everyone koolaid drinkers, and fails to understand right from wrong. This situation is a quite sad. Many people give answers without their own realization.
Seems piano lessons was the most important "training" in some people's lives with no other discipline of selfish desires both in husband and wiffee.
Mrst53, I am just as angry with the wife of TS for making access to others for him. I can tell you one thing that if it would have been my situation I would have found good use for my iron skillet and called authorities or the white jackets. and what do you have with this family or clan??? They all knew!! They covered as the "bucks" came in. They are actors, performers, and falsely gain the money of "innocent, honest SDA followers and then claim "non-denomenational". and
Princessdi, with all the above, LS may have known as I am sure, the 20 years for her was very busy as yes her programming was good but it took time for realization to discover as that does not come in a night. I think she was starting to deal with a lot. Unless you can uncover real documents as whats for DS I would be very carefull claiming she was not innocent. Why have others not come forward to as witnesses against her and her actions? The only accusations camae from DS and Board. She is ordered by survival money in a state of shock to "not talk of 3abn or DS" and why not if they are innocent?? hmmmm, is it the hidden funds, is it DS Actions, and yes other possibilities, then for the sake of saving 3abn. There is for sure other things but it remains to be facts before accusations of ones guilt.
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Mrst53, Tinka has no idea what she is babbling about. I am not related to Tommy Shelton in any way shape, or form, and there are no problems between Danny and Nathan today and never have been. Nathan still visits him. Ask him, again, we know you won't believe what Danny says, but Nathan isn't going to lie about it. There is in fact no basis for anything Tinka says. She's entitled to accept misinformation, form her opinions and jump to the wrong conclusions and to even post them but I can then post and say they are false, and are only opinions and arrogant ones at that, which should be taken as that, instead of accepted as facts.
leaving now.
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3D
How is it that Nathan still has relationship with DS while his sister claims Molestation from DS and his mother is gagged and her assets stolen?
Can you itemize statements and documents that are not correc? The statements you provide only ask questions of common sense from readers. Here is one thing that you should be able to do regardless of your infiltrations of the "clan" You obviously claim "truth". Then spit it out in direct answers instead of denying and defending. You are obligated to do that in honesty or you will be held in "higher court" for defending as sympathizer. Forget the money tree as you are defending a self proclaimed "molester".
Question 1. Why is LS gagged?
Question 2. What happened at the DNA testing, place, time and Identity, not to include the Dr's. version of DNA. I want the court version>
Question 3. Why did Brenda W. lie with the purchase of tickets against Linda?
Question 4. Why do you protect when documents prove falsification. You know the signatures of Brandy do not look the same as observed in different places. It looks like DS signature for her.
Question 5. How did Brandy fall in love with different man when just divorced from DS?
Question 6. Brandy signed a post nup or whatever agreement after marriage?? Why did they do that>
Question 7. Was it because of in conclusive on previous property settlements?
Question 8. Was it Brandy that was trying to hide the actual DNA from DS when he thought the possibility was there? When negative--she was found out? Now gone with another??
Question 9. Are you a volunteer of 3abn or a paid one?
Question 10. How did DS in "keeping up appearances" do all the "extravaganza" living when that cost more then it showed that he earned on IRS. I know what it cost to have many horses. and for sure all the cosmetic money, and etc.
Question 11. Without doubt you are intimately close to the situation and a sympathizer. What stops you from inserting all answers honestly between these lines. IF you can't then don't deny it as documents prove the side of viewers.
Question 12. If Nathan is still close to DS, does he still love LS and realize what and how he fell from grace of public view?
Question 13. Why did the family not get Help for TS years ago instead of giving him chance to victimize.
Question 14. Who did the wife blame when the adoptive child came forth as another victim? Who does she blame for the other victims?
Question 15. What is wrong with wife when she knows her husband's preferences?
These questions should be a breeze to the protectors of innocence.
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Tinka, Ok I am logging back in here to explain something to you.
I told you who you could ask to verify what I said.
Anytime you want to know the truth of a situation you should ask your questions of the people who are involved, and ask all, not just one side. (and you should ask what the situation is and not ask accusatory questions as you just posted if you would really like them to take you seriously and answer you). You should not take the words of others about them for that is just rumors, gossip, and here say. Don't accept that from any of the people here, including myself. That is how you can get misled, confused and even form wrong opinions, and even repeat false witness and gossip. Ellen G. White said, don't do that!
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Tinka, Ok I am logging back in here to explain something to you.
I told you who you could ask to verify what I said.
Anytime you want to know the truth of a situation you should ask your questions of the people who are involved, and ask all, not just one side. You should not take the words of others about them for that is just rumors, gossip, and here say. Don't accept that from any of the people here, including myself. That is how you can get misled, confused and even form wrong opinions, and even repeat false witness and gossip. Ellen G. White said, don't do that!
But 3D you made the commitment to denials. I have read most all posts for as long as this has been going on. With your statements you are sort of implying that Nathan knows all, sees all and can tell all. I am not priviledged to speak with him as he does not know me, owes me, or cares to tell me? So since your postings have made the discrepencies, I feel you can answer right up front. as I am sure Nathan cannot anwer the questions of personal of the TS saga that you implied are lies.
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Ok, so 3D you are saying that Tinka shouold ask Nathan for verification on your statements? You know, I don't really know if that is even a legitimate solution. As Tinka says, why would Nathan talk to her? He is being as silent on the subject as is his mother for the price of that bargain basement hush money she accept for no good reason.........but I digress. You all, 3D, have always offered DS, WT, etc for verification of one statement or another, but the truth is they have felt little or no obligation to answer the questions posed. I mean, would we be here today, if DS would have only answered Bob's initial queries in an acceptable manner? Sure Bob is like a dog with a bone, but the more reason to answer him so life can procede in peace. I agree that DS, WT, and even Nathan have the information you suggest, however, neither is going to answer a phone or an email to give that information. I think it might be best if you can find another source of verification.
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Ok, so 3D you are saying that Tinka shouold ask Nathan for verification on your statements? You know, I don't really know if that is even a legitimate solution. As Tinka says, why would Nathan talk to her? He is being as silent on the subject as is his mother for the price of that bargain basement hush money she accept for no good reason.........but I digress. You all, 3D, have always offered DS, WT, etc for verification of one statement or another, but the truth is they have felt little or no obligation to answer the questions posed. I mean, would we be here today, if DS would have only answered Bob's initial queries in an acceptable manner? Sure Bob is like a dog with a bone, but the more reason to answer him so life can procede in peace. I agree that DS, WT, and even Nathan have the information you suggest, however, neither is going to answer a phone or an email to give that information. I think it might be best if you can find another source of verification.
Tinka keeps posting things on this forum about Nathan and Danny's relationship and claiming they have problems,, claiming Linda should have taken him and left, and Danny was never a friend or father to Nathan, and wouldn't help get Nathan help, Nathan left because of Danny etc etc etc.. which is all false witness. Even Linda said nothing which could lead Tinka to her false conclusions or to spread her false testimony. (What Linda said, is below.)
I was saying only Danny and Nathan can testify to their relationship and since no one here is going to take Danny's word about it (nor mine) then the best person to ask is Nathan as he is not going to lie about it.
If as she says "I am not priviledged to speak with him as he does not know me, owes me, or cares to tell me" then she has no business talking about him to others as if she knows what she is saying. She doesn't.
So, no, I don't need to find another way to verify my telling her what she was claiming is not true. It's her responsibility to verify the things she says and not spread lies. If she choses to make and love her lies and keep repeating them, that's her choice.
A LETTER FROM LINDA
Sept 2004
Hello my friends,
....
My story begins many years ago when I was only 24 years old. I was married with two small babies, Alyssa and Nathan. A literature evangelist came to my door, and after a pleasant visit she invited me to church. Three months later I was baptized as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. These truths set me free to the highest degree and I was spiritually floating on "cloud nine." Yet Satan was angry. My family, at the time, had a twisted view of the SDA church, and additionally the family was heavily involved in politics. My choice was not, in their opinion, politically correct. The pressure on my husband and marriage resulted in a divorce. I was devastated. I lost my husband, my home and my security. I ended up living in a public housing facility which was completely contrary to the lifestyle in which I had been raised. Although this was an incredible blow, the lessons I learned during this time were priceless. I learned about what was really of the utmost importance in life. Still yet, it was a Gethsemane experience.
Time passed. Ten days after his vision to build 3ABN, Dan and I were married. It was an amazing experience to literally watch the hand of God build this network. It was an incredible privilege to be able to participate in a ministry that was ordained in the courts of heaven. But the battles still came...the evil one was angry with such an incredible evangelistic tool. One battle which literally brought me and kept me on my knees, occurred in 1995. After enjoying the custody of both of my children for many years, my children's father took me to court when my son, Nathan, was only 15 years old. Nathan was quite enamored with the newly acquired attentiveness he was getting from his father, so he wanted to live with him. I told Nathan that I could not, with a clear conscience, and would not place him in such an environment where smoking, drinking, etc. existed. We were in court for 3-1/2 days. Some questions I was asked were "Why couldn't my son play ball on Friday nights like all of the other boys his age?" And "Why couldn't my son eat meat like other young teenagers his age?" The opposing attorney was very successful making me, Nathan's Mom, look like an unbalanced religious zealot. I begged God to intervene. After I cried a barrel of tears I heard a still, small voice say "Just as Abraham placed Isaac on the altar, I want you to place Nathan on the altar." I said, "Please God, anything but that." But finally after crying another barrel of tears, with God's help I was able to place Nathan on the altar. The years that followed were much more than heart-breaking. Nathan become involved in alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc..
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His love & mine,
Linda Shelton
-------- Original Message --------
From: Linda Shelton
To: Johann Thorvaldsson
Subject: Re: Greetings
Date: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:18 PM
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Nathan was just 15 when his father (who is not a Christian) took me to court to get custody of Nathan. Although the father had spent little time with Nathan during his childhood, Nathan was thrilled when all of a sudden he received special attention from him and the encouragement to move in with him. He promised lots of fishing and hunting time together. Making a long story short, I lost custody of Nathan. Less than a year later Nathan wanted to come home to live with us, but his father would not let him, and the law did not support him doing this. After this, Nathan's life became a terrible and horrifying journey as he chose a wild lifestyle with alcohol, drugs, etc. Nathan is alive today because of the grace of God, and a lot of prayer. Nathan worked in the coal mines from ages 21-23. (He's 23 now) Thus, he was able to afford the most addicting drug on the market today which is known as "meth." In one year's time, he says, he spent $20,000 on this drug. As a result Nathan looked like one of the starved Jews out of a Nazi camp with scars from the affects of the drugs all over his face and neck. Additionally, Nathan had been exposed to dangerous chemicals in the mines and he was a physical wreck. As his mother, I have been begging God for a miracle for many years.
It was a miracle when I was able to convince Nathan to go and see Dr. Abrahamsen while he was here. He tested Nathan and, of course, discovered that he was in a terrible physical condition. He said, "I think I can help you but you would need to come to Norway." Somewhere in the conversation he offered Nathan a place to stay and also treatments which would help him physically...and Nathan actually agreed to go. It was scheduled for Nathan and his girlfriend, Dava, to go about January 21. I talked to this doctor only a couple of times making the arrangements for this trip. Dan's opinion was that the doctor sounded like a "quack" but he thought just a month away from his friends would help.
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Also:
-------- Original Message --------
From: Arild Abrahamsen
To: [Danny Shelton]
Date: Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:47 AM
Hi Hon,
Sorry I've been unable to communicate before now...our sleeping schedule and activity schedule and the international phone not working has conflicted with getting through to you. But I'm sure you've been busy too.
Norway is gorgeous, but what makes it the most special is that I'm seeing a miracle happen right before my eyes with Nathan. The transformation is incredible. He looks great. He's gained weight, He's quit smoking and his attitude has been great. He's developed a real trust and friendship with the doctor, and he'd like to come back in the summer. I'm hoping you will allow Nathan to stay in the apartments for a couple of weeks when he gets home so his drug friends won't have easy access to him. Please pray about it.
We leave tomorrow and I look forward to seeing you in Atlanta. Should I meet you outside of customs You can e-mail me back at this address if you have a chance. Well, gotta go.
Love you,
LINDA
-------- Original Message --------
From: Danny Shelton
To: Arild Abrahamsen
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:06:02 -0600
Hi Linda Sue,
Glad everything is going well. I woke up this morning to about 3" of snow! not good. Anyway, I suppose we'll meet you in baggage claim, after customs. I'm glad Nathan is doing better. I have been praying about his situation.
See you tomorrow night, if the runway is cleared for take off. I hope the snow will stop and the weather straighten out by then.
Love,
Your Hubby
ps. By the way, my phone number is *** ***-**** or ***-****, in case you've forgotten.
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Ok I gotcha on the part about DS and Nathan's relationship. However, 3D, and blind bat can see what Tinka is saying is true, but maybe it's just me....and Tinka....who got that revelation. Mine came from Danny himself, when he came to BSDA to scold us, the only site not calling him and Linda everything but a child of God, about discussing their separation at the time. He talked about the Dr. and all, but he never even mentioned that the Dr. was treating Nathan at his hospital. He more acted as if this Dr. came on his show and from out of nowhere, stole his wife. That was the representation as i understood it at the time. I believe that it was whem Johann come and explained the situation in more detailed that we found out about Nathan.
Now, I can't vouch for this, and it just comes from my own life experiences and those around me, but Linda did not do as she should as a mother and stress to Danny that her and her kids were a package deal. In fact, I don't believe, from what I hea( or lack thereof), that Danny and Linda did a even decent job in trying to blend their families. Now, 3D you come with this email about Linda losing custody. This doesn't help the situation for me, though. Something just does not add up, bt I am not asking for someone to try and clarify, just that it doesn't look right. Also, why only Nathan and not Alyssa. Was this her father also?
Now like I said, I could be wrong, but this is the same feeling I had when Danny came with half a story about some "spiritual adultery".........and what do you know.....Brandy at 3ABn with two kids in tow with pot nor window.........Voila!!! a job, a house across the street from Danny, and some personal Bible studies.............married to Danny before the ink could dry on the divorce papers.................things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm..........
Now once again, this is all from the Book of Princess. It's just the vibe I am getting from this entire situation, but I ain't been wrong yet!
Tinka keeps posting things on this forum about Nathan and Danny's relationship and claiming they have problems,, claiming Linda should have taken him and left, and Danny was never a friend or father to Nathan, and wouldn't help get Nathan help, Nathan left because of Danny etc etc etc.. which is all false witness. Even Linda said nothing which could lead Tinka to her false conclusions or to spread her false testimony. (What Linda said, is below.)
I was saying only Danny and Nathan can testify to their relationship and since no one here is going to take Danny's word about it (nor mine) then the best person to ask is Nathan as he is not going to lie about it.
If as she says "I am not priviledged to speak with him as he does not know me, owes me, or cares to tell me" then she has no business talking about him to others as if she knows what she is saying. She doesn't.
So, no, I don't need to find another way to verify my telling her what she was claiming is not true. It's her responsibility to verify the things she says and not spread lies. If she choses to make and love her lies and keep repeating them, that's her choice.
A LETTER FROM LINDA
Sept 2004
Hello my friends,
....
My story begins many years ago when I was only 24 years old. I was married with two small babies, Alyssa and Nathan. A literature evangelist came to my door, and after a pleasant visit she invited me to church. Three months later I was baptized as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. These truths set me free to the highest degree and I was spiritually floating on "cloud nine." Yet Satan was angry. My family, at the time, had a twisted view of the SDA church, and additionally the family was heavily involved in politics. My choice was not, in their opinion, politically correct. The pressure on my husband and marriage resulted in a divorce. I was devastated. I lost my husband, my home and my security. I ended up living in a public housing facility which was completely contrary to the lifestyle in which I had been raised. Although this was an incredible blow, the lessons I learned during this time were priceless. I learned about what was really of the utmost importance in life. Still yet, it was a Gethsemane experience.
Time passed. Ten days after his vision to build 3ABN, Dan and I were married. It was an amazing experience to literally watch the hand of God build this network. It was an incredible privilege to be able to participate in a ministry that was ordained in the courts of heaven. But the battles still came...the evil one was angry with such an incredible evangelistic tool. One battle which literally brought me and kept me on my knees, occurred in 1995. After enjoying the custody of both of my children for many years, my children's father took me to court when my son, Nathan, was only 15 years old. Nathan was quite enamored with the newly acquired attentiveness he was getting from his father, so he wanted to live with him. I told Nathan that I could not, with a clear conscience, and would not place him in such an environment where smoking, drinking, etc. existed. We were in court for 3-1/2 days. Some questions I was asked were "Why couldn't my son play ball on Friday nights like all of the other boys his age?" And "Why couldn't my son eat meat like other young teenagers his age?" The opposing attorney was very successful making me, Nathan's Mom, look like an unbalanced religious zealot. I begged God to intervene. After I cried a barrel of tears I heard a still, small voice say "Just as Abraham placed Isaac on the altar, I want you to place Nathan on the altar." I said, "Please God, anything but that." But finally after crying another barrel of tears, with God's help I was able to place Nathan on the altar. The years that followed were much more than heart-breaking. Nathan become involved in alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc..
...
His love & mine,
Linda Shelton
-------- Original Message --------
From: Linda Shelton
To: Johann Thorvaldsson
Subject: Re: Greetings
Date: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:18 PM
...
Nathan was just 15 when his father (who is not a Christian) took me to court to get custody of Nathan. Although the father had spent little time with Nathan during his childhood, Nathan was thrilled when all of a sudden he received special attention from him and the encouragement to move in with him. He promised lots of fishing and hunting time together. Making a long story short, I lost custody of Nathan. Less than a year later Nathan wanted to come home to live with us, but his father would not let him, and the law did not support him doing this. After this, Nathan's life became a terrible and horrifying journey as he chose a wild lifestyle with alcohol, drugs, etc. Nathan is alive today because of the grace of God, and a lot of prayer. Nathan worked in the coal mines from ages 21-23. (He's 23 now) Thus, he was able to afford the most addicting drug on the market today which is known as "meth." In one year's time, he says, he spent $20,000 on this drug. As a result Nathan looked like one of the starved Jews out of a Nazi camp with scars from the affects of the drugs all over his face and neck. Additionally, Nathan had been exposed to dangerous chemicals in the mines and he was a physical wreck. As his mother, I have been begging God for a miracle for many years.
It was a miracle when I was able to convince Nathan to go and see Dr. Abrahamsen while he was here. He tested Nathan and, of course, discovered that he was in a terrible physical condition. He said, "I think I can help you but you would need to come to Norway." Somewhere in the conversation he offered Nathan a place to stay and also treatments which would help him physically...and Nathan actually agreed to go. It was scheduled for Nathan and his girlfriend, Dava, to go about January 21. I talked to this doctor only a couple of times making the arrangements for this trip. Dan's opinion was that the doctor sounded like a "quack" but he thought just a month away from his friends would help.
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3D,
You still come up with your own theories of how the info I speak of and post. Not one single word of the facts came from me but as I discovered facts others documented and posted the only thing I do is keep in sequence the timing and happening. Then I put it together in fast summary that consequently presents common sense questions. None of this saga lady comes from me but the people that have lived it.
It is just like you came across like the courts awarded cutody of Nathan like she was proven bad mother. You gave wrong impressions. You gave no room for circumstances except to black her eye the best you could.
and you know the answers to all as you proclaim. But again you proclaim, (as a protector) but do not get your self out of the wet bag. Simply put-- your on and can't push the button to get off. so round and round you go and where it stops then you will know.
Button is..answer the questions.
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When did Danny and Nathan talk to each other as friends the last time? How often have they seen each other the last six years? Has Danny talked to him more than I have? How many meals have they had together?
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3d,
How pathetic, Linda would have to make and ask a statement like this!
I'm hoping you will allow Nathan to stay in the apartments for a couple of weeks when he gets home so his drug friends won't have easy access to him. Please pray about it.
You documemted this 3D, is this a lie to a fact????? and again why was he not allowed if such a good relationship???
Here is prime example of truth and you gave it. It came from your post.
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Tinka,
Why don't you pick up the phone and give Barbara Kerr a call. It might be interesting for you to hear about the shocking truth she discovered after her originally ardent support for Linda.
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Now who would Barbara Kerr be (although sounds familiar) and why would she be interested in telling me anything? if she can not post it ; why just not clear it on the posts and let it be sorted out. Does she have proof, why doesn't this shocking proof flash the posts? That was one of my thoughts and wonderments that no one has come across with anything negitive other then accusations of DS from the start. DS claims all but then LS is accused of putting it public (first). How so when DS had to say something why she wasn't there anymore. Did the public expect to let that go as such? Email me her phone no. Brenda W. has already been proven to falsify situations according to ticket documents. I can say I've had thoughts upon thoughts of my own but unless there is proof in hearing, and seeing instead of heresay it is pretty tough to believe. I have already made my own thoughts about the DNA saga on posts. stating that accusations would be pretty bad for other side if no proof. But then the DNA was not handled properly either for the 100%.
Will BK tell me how TS is innocent too? and why he continued to be on 3abn?
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Barbara Kerr is a very interesting woman. She and I experienced some of the same things and we communicated quite a bit about it. Unfortunately some of her lofty dreams were never fulfilled.
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You can try to minimize her testimony Johann, but that will not make it any less profound. You know she's right.
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Now who would Barbara Kerr be (although sounds familiar)
You have made it very clear that you have read everything written up to this point - how did you miss the name?
Email me her phone no.
If you really have any interest at all in the truth - and that is debatable - you will find it on your own. There are enough people registered here who can send you down the right path or even give you the number. If you want truth - seek it.
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Just a note. To the dismay of anyman, 3d and others, and regardless of all the smoke screens they are throwing up here, Tommy still goes on trial next month.
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I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed.
X3,
To bad your once Christian position has been replaced with your current venom and glee about the current situation.
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I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed.
X3,
To bad your once Christian position has been replaced with your current venom and glee about the current situation.
Glee? I am just stating a fact. You and 3d are desperately trying to distract everyone from what is going to happen next month. Trying to twist what I post isn't going to stop the trial, either.
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You can try to minimize her testimony Johann, but that will not make it any less profound. You know she's right.
You did not inform us how many times this woman has switched sides, and under what circumstances.
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X3,
So you are saying your original statement, c. Jan. 2007, still reflects your position?
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You can try to minimize her testimony Johann, but that will not make it any less profound. You know she's right.
You did not inform us how many times this woman has switched sides, and under what circumstances.
You can try to minimize her testimony, but it will not make it any less profound. You know she's right.
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X3,
So you are saying your original statement, c. Jan. 2007, still reflects your position?
I'm not saying anything to you. My statement speaks for itself. It's not my problem if you don't have the capacity to comprehend.
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You can try to minimize her testimony Johann, but that will not make it any less profound. You know she's right.
You did not inform us how many times this woman has switched sides, and under what circumstances.
You can try to minimize her testimony, but it will not make it any less profound. You know she's right.
Are you referring to her testimony about her conversation with Alyssa?
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Johann,
Are you forgetting the truth she discovered in Scandinavia? And the testimony she brought home from her travels there?
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Now who would Barbara Kerr be (although sounds familiar)
You have made it very clear that you have read everything written up to this point - how did you miss the name?
Email me her phone no.
If you really have any interest at all in the truth - and that is debatable - you will
find it on your own. There are enough people registered here who can send you down the right path or even give you the number. If you want truth - seek it.
Is it possible that you know where to bring up the post of BK name. Evidently I did not put importance on connecting who was who on post except for yours after a while and just a couple of others. Probably because I don't know any personally other then tv where I shared my funds.
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Johann,
Are you forgetting the truth she discovered in Scandinavia? And the testimony she brought home from her travels there?
Not at all, but that does not answer my question in connection with Alyssa. You ignore that completely.
Did BK ever divulge publicly what she discovered? Don't forget that I have been around there too, and I know what she discovered - probably much better than what you do. For your sake, and everybody else, it may pay to let things stay right there.
But if you think it is important, why don't you say what you think happened there?
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I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed.
X3,
To bad your once Christian position has been replaced with your current venom and glee about the current situation.
Glee? I am just stating a fact. You and 3d are desperately trying to distract everyone from what is going to happen next month. Trying to twist what I post isn't going to stop the trial, either.
Tinka and princessdi took this topic off course and brought up Linda, Nathan, etc... They were going back and forth about that first, and others can reply to what they post and claim.
Chastise them next time with your outrage and remind them, they need to be quiet as Tommy has a trial next month and nothing they say is going to stop it. As if we are even interested in doing that... Not. The courts are way more just and fair than you, Pickle, and your vindictive spiteful group are. I, myself, am glad Tommy has the opportunity to face his accusers, in an unbiased and just way, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
AFAIC, you continue to look silly, petty, and deperate yourself with all your melodrama and accusations.
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Johann,
Are you forgetting the truth she discovered in Scandinavia? And the testimony she brought home from her travels there?
Not at all, but that does not answer my question in connection with Alyssa. You ignore that completely.
Did BK ever divulge publicly what she discovered? Don't forget that I have been around there too, and I know what she discovered - probably much better than what you do. For your sake, and everybody else, it may pay to let things stay right there.
But if you think it is important, why don't you say what you think happened there?
You claim, "I know what she discovered - probably much better than what you do but won't say" as that's best? For who's sake? and why? She was in Norway and getting treatments from Linda's and your Doctor Friend, Abrahamsen, wasn't she? How is that not important, and why should it be secret?
What ever happened to open and transparent, and the truth needs to be given to all? That's what this group keeps proclaiming and accusing 3ABN of not doing. At least that's what I have been reading for years.
Your evasive answers and games here make your signature "The truth can lose nothing by close investigation." look like some kind of poor joke to me. This just proves again to me how only partial truths are told here to give only the view you want to present, and people need to dig harder if they really want the whole story and not just depend on what they are told here.
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3D,
Your replies are glitched in your head. Not sure of anything you say is normal responses. You can't prove anything you say or answer unless you come up with "kool-aid" lingo. I cannot imagine your responses of TS. Your anger seems to be with Duane. what about the other victims too?? Let me tell you, the courts or jury is not going to have your sediments. Your sediments are your eternal glitch. Where is your proof of innocence? or are you waiting for pity to bestowed on this wretched human of evil deeds? Your pity should be for the wronged people.
So what is your version of truth that your claiming???
Your above post is almost presenting insinuations of the Dr??? or what BK discovered?
Have you forgotten your implying that LS lost custody. You just did not present the real thing either.
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3D,
Your replies are glitched in your head. Not sure of anything you say is normal responses. You can't prove anything you say or answer unless you come up with "kool-aid" lingo. I cannot imagine your responses of TS. Your anger seems to be with Duane. what about the other victims too?? Let me tell you, the courts or jury is not going to have your sediments. Your sediments are your eternal glitch. Where is your proof of innocence? or are you waiting for pity to bestowed on this wretched human of evil deeds? Your pity should be for the wronged people.
No, something is glitched in your head. You say you read all and then keep claiming I've said things, I never said, and have done things I never have. It's crazy, off base, and unwarranted, to me. I can't figure out if you are even for real here. You think I ever proclaimed him innocent? then go try and find that quote. Maybe not finding it can convince you that you are confused here.
I expect the courts to be unbiased, impartial, fair, establish the truth, and render justice for all. And that's all I have ever said about the case. I've never said guilty, nor not guilty. The court's will decide. Now, ff you have a problem with that, or think the courts don't share my "sediments"? Fine, must be that glitch, and that is your problem, not mine.
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3D,
Your replies are glitched in your head. Not sure of anything you say is normal responses. You can't prove anything you say or answer unless you come up with "kool-aid" lingo. I cannot imagine your responses of TS. Your anger seems to be with Duane. what about the other victims too?? Let me tell you, the courts or jury is not going to have your sediments. Your sediments are your eternal glitch. Where is your proof of innocence? or are you waiting for pity to bestowed on this wretched human of evil deeds? Your pity should be for the wronged people.
So what is your version of truth that your claiming???
Your above post is almost presenting insinuations of the Dr??? or what BK discovered?
Have you forgotten your implying that LS lost custody. You just did not present the real thing either.
Wait a minute here...Don't you call yourself 3ABN Defender. Do you know where you are coming from???
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So what is your version of truth that your claiming???
Your above post is almost presenting insinuations of the Dr??? or what BK discovered?
I don't have a version and am claiming nothing. I have questions. Anyman told you to find the truth. He's right, if you cared you would do that instead of accusing me of making the insinuations. I was just referring to the published letters from Barbara Kerr and her mother as were Johann, and anyman and asking about it all. The "insinuations" if that's what you want to call them, were in the letters. Johann claims to know all about it, but won't say, and I don't see you asking him anything, or having any problems with that, only me. Interesting, huh?
Have you forgotten your implying that LS lost custody. You just did not present the real thing either.
There's that glitch of yours again.
I implied nothing, I quoted from Linda Shelton in a letter to Johann, who published it. Linda Shelton said she lost custody. Read it again please. In contradiction to you claiming "You can't prove anything you say or answer unless you come up with "kool-aid" lingo." I provided the proof.
From: Linda Shelton
To: Johann Thorvaldsson
Subject: Re: Greetings
Date: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:18 PM
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Nathan was just 15 when his father (who is not a Christian) took me to court to get custody of Nathan. Although the father had spent little time with Nathan during his childhood, Nathan was thrilled when all of a sudden he received special attention from him and the encouragement to move in with him. He promised lots of fishing and hunting time together. Making a long story short, I lost custody of Nathan. Less than a year later Nathan wanted to come home to live with us, but his father would not let him, and the law did not support him doing this
Wait a minute here...Don't you call yourself 3ABN Defender. Do you know where you are coming from???
yes, and yes.
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I want to say that I do NOT hate Tommy Shelton, nor do I want to see him or his family destroyed.
X3,
To bad your once Christian position has been replaced with your current venom and glee about the current situation.
Glee? I am just stating a fact. You and 3d are desperately trying to distract everyone from what is going to happen next month. Trying to twist what I post isn't going to stop the trial, either.
Tinka and princessdi took this topic off course and brought up Linda, Nathan, etc... They were going back and forth about that first, and others can reply to what they post and claim.
Chastise them next time with your outrage and remind them, they need to be quiet as Tommy has a trial next month and nothing they say is going to stop it. As if we are even interested in doing that... Not. The courts are way more just and fair than you, Pickle, and your vindictive spiteful group are. I, myself, am glad Tommy has the opportunity to face his accusers, in an unbiased and just way, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
AFAIC, you continue to look silly, petty, and deperate yourself with all your melodrama and accusations.
And you look ignorant and desperate when you keep trying to make this an anger issue. You are also still a coward.
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3D,
Your replies are glitched in your head. Not sure of anything you say is normal responses. You can't prove anything you say or answer unless you come up with "kool-aid" lingo. I cannot imagine your responses of TS. Your anger seems to be with Duane. what about the other victims too?? Let me tell you, the courts or jury is not going to have your sediments. Your sediments are your eternal glitch. Where is your proof of innocence? or are you waiting for pity to bestowed on this wretched human of evil deeds? Your pity should be for the wronged people.
So what is your version of truth that your claiming???
Your above post is almost presenting insinuations of the Dr??? or what BK discovered?
Have you forgotten your implying that LS lost custody. You just did not present the real thing either.
That's because I have a confession from Tommy, and they know it can't be refuted. They also know I can't be intimidated.
Now watch, someone is going to get on here and try to belittle the importance of the confession and my possible testimony about it.
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3D,
Your replies are glitched in your head. Not sure of anything you say is normal responses. You can't prove anything you say or answer unless you come up with "kool-aid" lingo. I cannot imagine your responses of TS. Your anger seems to be with Duane. what about the other victims too?? Let me tell you, the courts or jury is not going to have your sediments. Your sediments are your eternal glitch. Where is your proof of innocence? or are you waiting for pity to bestowed on this wretched human of evil deeds? Your pity should be for the wronged people.
So what is your version of truth that your claiming???
Your above post is almost presenting insinuations of the Dr??? or what BK discovered?
Have you forgotten your implying that LS lost custody. You just did not present the real thing either.
That's because I have a confession from Tommy, and they know it can't be refuted. They also know I can't be intimidated.
Now watch, someone is going to get on here and try to belittle the importance of the confession and my possible testimony about it.
You mean someone will get on here and point out that your unfortunate situation and "confession" has nothing to do with allegations of child molestation and nothing to do with the current and only case against, Tommy Shelton, and that you have no testimony or anything to contribute to it? If so, that's true, here I am.
Keep trying to sound important and swelling your chest out with pride here about that if that floats your boat though.
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LOL! I knew it.
Hey, when have I EVER said that I have anything to do with the current case? Answer: not one time. It's all of YOU defenders who are bringing that up. Also, I never said I was "molested." Again, that was YOUR side who brought that up.
Get this through your head. I am not afraid or intimidated by you or anyone else on your side. That old garbage may have worked for years with others, but it doesn't with me.
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I was saying only Danny and Nathan can testify to their relationship and since no one here is going to take Danny's word about it (nor mine) then the best person to ask is Nathan as he is not going to lie about it.
Well, we managed to get a contact with Nathan, who has been under medical care after an accident at work, and tell him what has been said about him here. His first reaction was that what has been said about him here are not true.
In short:
You quoted a letter from Linda to Danny where she asked him if Nathan could stay with them for a couple of weeks after his return from Norway. Danny's reply was "NO" Danny did not want to have anything to do with Nathan. He was Linda's responsibility and not his. He did not want to see him at his house.
When did Nathan and Danny see each other last?
Two years ago Nathan was fishing in a lake when Danny happened to come by.
- Hi! said one of them
- Hi! said the other one.
Two years ago. That was it. Period.
I'm glad you say that Nathan is not going to lie about it. Where do the false rumors come from then?
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LOL! I knew it.
Hey, when have I EVER said that I have anything to do with the current case? Answer: not one time. It's all of YOU defenders who are bringing that up. Also, I never said I was "molested." Again, that was YOUR side who brought that up.
Get this through your head. I am not afraid or intimidated by you or anyone else on your side. That old garbage may have worked for years with others, but it doesn't with me.
No one I have seen is trying to make you afraid or intimidate you. I know I am not.
You are causing this situation yourself. If you didn't keep jumping into discussions about the court case, which is about allegations of child molestation and telling all that you have a "confession" and bringing up the importance of your "testimony" in the context of that, then no one would have to keep explaining and clarifying for others (who might be confused by your irelevant comments and claims) that:
1. You were not a victim or child molestation, and that you deny even being molested.
and
2. Your "testimony" and "confession" have nothing to do with the current case.
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Tell us first about Barbara Kerr's encounter with Alyssa. Is that fair?
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I was saying only Danny and Nathan can testify to their relationship and since no one here is going to take Danny's word about it (nor mine) then the best person to ask is Nathan as he is not going to lie about it.
Well, we managed to get a contact with Nathan, who has been under medical care after an accident at work, and tell him what has been said about him here. His first reaction was that what has been said about him here are not true.
In short:
You quoted a letter from Linda to Danny where she asked him if Nathan could stay with them for a couple of weeks after his return from Norway. Danny's reply was "NO" Danny did not want to have anything to do with Nathan. He was Linda's responsibility and not his. He did not want to see him at his house.
When did Nathan and Danny see each other last?
Two years ago Nathan was fishing in a lake when Danny happened to come by.
- Hi! said one of them
- Hi! said the other one.
Two years ago. That was it. Period.
I'm glad you say that Nathan is not going to lie about it. Where do the false rumors come from then?
This isn't Nathan here, it's you, Johann.
I flat out don't believe you, and this isn't the first time. 1.The apartments are 3ABN's for those taping shows, Board members etc, not Danny's guest rooms. 2. Danny never said he didn't want anything to do with Nathan, get your facts straight, he didn't want Nathan's friends in his house, or any smoking or drinking there. 3. Nathan's doesn't want to be involved in your mess, and 4..I was in T-ville when Nathan was in town and visiting Danny, and other family members so I know better.
You must have talked to Linda, instead of Nathan, and are just parroting what you were told again.
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This isn't Nathan here, it's you, Johann.
How do you know it isn't Nathan?
I flat out don't believe you, and this isn't the first time.
Because you dare not face the facts.1.The apartments are 3ABN's for those taping shows, Board members etc, not Danny's guest rooms.
What do these apartments have to do with what we are talking about? Who are you trying to impress with completely irrelevant statements? 2. Danny never said he didn't want anything to do with Nathan, get your facts straight, he didn't want Nathan's friends in his house, or any smoking or drinking there.
This is from Nathan. He also made the statement before he left Norway - and that was not to Linda - that Danny did not want to have anything to do with him. 3. Nathan's doesn't want to be involved in your mess,
Whose mess? Are you referring to Danny? 4..I was in T-ville when Nathan was in town and visiting Danny, and other family members so I know better.
When did that take place? Nathan recalled only that incident by the lake two year ago.
You must have talked to Linda, instead of Nathan, and are just parroting what you were told again.
You have an interesting way of getting around the truth.
When I visited John Stanton in Springfield about five years ago I heard him parroting the false rumors created by Danny Shelton. He said he was assigned to be the pastor of that church to keep Linda from participating in the church program.
Now that he's gone the church members have not retained much of that parroting and they are inviting Linda back. They tell her he did not manage to impress them with his false accusations. Danny tries to the bitter end, but thank God there is an encounter with TRUTH where all the parroting will fail.
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For your sake, and everybody else, it may pay to let things stay right there.
Excuse me? That comment more appropriately applies to you and Linda. You don't want the truth discovered revealed, it would cast doubt on everything you have claimed to this point.
But if you think it is important, why don't you say what you think happened there?
Unlike you (and others), I know when something is not mine to divulge. I also know that if I were to divulge the information you would immediately attempt to refute it and cast dispersions, muddying the waters. Bottom line, though, is that I do not have a right to speak for Barbara Kerr, only she can do that, that is her right.
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3D,
Your replies are glitched in your head. Not sure of anything you say is normal responses. You can't prove anything you say or answer unless you come up with "kool-aid" lingo. I cannot imagine your responses of TS. Your anger seems to be with Duane. what about the other victims too?? Let me tell you, the courts or jury is not going to have your sediments. Your sediments are your eternal glitch. Where is your proof of innocence? or are you waiting for pity to bestowed on this wretched human of evil deeds? Your pity should be for the wronged people.
So what is your version of truth that your claiming???
Your above post is almost presenting insinuations of the Dr??? or what BK discovered?
Have you forgotten your implying that LS lost custody. You just did not present the real thing either.
Let me ease your mind on the subject of Nathan. I knew Nathan well when he was growing up. I saw his relationship with his mother and his stepfather. But more important than what I saw is what I was told by Nathan himself. He told me his mother didn't care about anything but being on TV and that Danny was the "way better" parent. Why? Because his mother never came to his football, basketball or baseball games. In fact, I have seen him walking from the park after a practice because his mother dropped him off but failed to come back and get him. I know that is what happened since I stopped many times and gave him a ride home. Danny on the other hand went to many of his games, took him fishing and did a lot of other activities with him. When he chose to live with his father instead of Linda he was required to spend several weeks of the summer with her. One of those times when I gave him a ride he told me that he couldn't understand why he had to spend that time with her as all she did was go to work and be on TV. He said she never made any special time to be with him during those weeks and that he ended up just staying at home by himself all day or with Allyssa.
Hearing all these things directly from Nathan is what made me so suspicious when his mother, all of a sudden, took this desperate interest in him that she had never shown before. So much so that she was willing to go to half way across the world to get him treatment? I think not. I think she had another motive for going there and used Nathan as the excuse. Especially since Nathan had been living with his grandmother for several years because Linda said she "couldn't deal with him". Eventually even his grandmother kicked him out...hence the discussion between Danny and Linda about him living in an apartment. Did you get that? Linda wasn't talking to Danny about coming home with her...she was asking if he could stay in an apartment. Could it be she still didn't want to deal with him after she used him to go to Norway. How strange that Nathan had been on different drugs since he was a teenager but it wasn't until Linda met Arild that she decided to get him help. There are lots of places in the US where she could have taken him but guess what? Arild wasn't there.
So, there you have it Tinka. Someone who has actually spoken to Nathan face to face. But, this isn't the "truth" that you wanted to hear so I have no doubt you will dismiss it. Oh well, your opinion counts very little since, as you said, you don't know anyone involved and only repeat what you have read and been told. Make no mistake...you will be held accountable for your slander and gossip as God doesn't take it lightly.
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This isn't Nathan here, it's you, Johann.
How do you know it isn't Nathan?
I flat out don't believe you, and this isn't the first time.
Because you dare not face the facts.1.The apartments are 3ABN's for those taping shows, Board members etc, not Danny's guest rooms.
What do these apartments have to do with what we are talking about? Who are you trying to impress with completely irrelevant statements? 2. Danny never said he didn't want anything to do with Nathan, get your facts straight, he didn't want Nathan's friends in his house, or any smoking or drinking there.
This is from Nathan. He also made the statement before he left Norway - and that was not to Linda - that Danny did not want to have anything to do with him. 3. Nathan's doesn't want to be involved in your mess,
Whose mess? Are you referring to Danny? 4..I was in T-ville when Nathan was in town and visiting Danny, and other family members so I know better.
When did that take place? Nathan recalled only that incident by the lake two year ago.
You must have talked to Linda, instead of Nathan, and are just parroting what you were told again.
You have an interesting way of getting around the truth.
When I visited John Stanton in Springfield about five years ago I heard him parroting the false rumors created by Danny Shelton. He said he was assigned to be the pastor of that church to keep Linda from participating in the church program.
Now that he's gone the church members have not retained much of that parroting and they are inviting Linda back. They tell her he did not manage to impress them with his false accusations. Danny tries to the bitter end, but thank God there is an encounter with TRUTH where all the parroting will fail.
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Johann you know better...John Stanton was hired by the Seventh Day Adventist Conference to take over the church in springfield. His going there had nothing to do with Linda. In fact, it would have been much easier on him, I'm sure, if she wasn't a member there. The conference hired him, sent him there and paid his salary. This had absolutely nothing to do with 3abn. With you being a retired pastor you know how it works when the conference sends you somewhere so why lie about it or believe Linda's lies?
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Another note to the defenders: Crucifying Nathan won't stop the trial, either.
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Wow!! Was this a busy thread since yeaterday! Ok for the most part, I am out of this one. I realy have no dog in this fight, and can see the issues on both sides.
The one thing that does bother me is how 3D, Anyman, and whoever else can continue to defend TS criminal and immoral activities. To my thinking, you all should not have much to say about it. The man is being criminally prosecuted for what you all claimed not to be true all this time.
Also, Duane can want to see TS brought to justice for his crimes without hating him. [If] TS did the crimes, then he must do the time. That is justice and has nothing to do with how we feel about a person. I say that, but you all know that I also get at the supporters of this site who demonize DS with every post, when he is only another child of God with issues...........like the rest of us.
We have real problems here seeing the "opposing" group through the eyes of God. We make humanize their faults and sins, and miss the hurting person. Both sides need to do better if each of you is going to claim that God is on
your side.
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No one I have seen is trying to make you afraid or intimidate you. I know I am not.
You are causing this situation yourself. If you didn't keep jumping into discussions about the court case, which is about allegations of child molestation and telling all that you have a "confession" and bringing up the importance of your "testimony" in the context of that, then no one would have to keep explaining and clarifying for others (who might be confused by your irelevant comments and claims) that:
1. You were not a victim or child molestation, and that you deny even being molested.
and
2. Your "testimony" and "confession" have nothing to do with the current case.
I said my possible testimony, and you have don't know what case I'm talking about. You're fishing for information as to whether I have been called as a witness or not. Sorry, you won't get it that easily. Plus, this is a public forum. I don't need your permission to post here. :wave:
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Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
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tinka - If I remember right the discussions of Barbara Kerr were on BSDA. If you didn't follow them or have not gone back and read them then you probably would not know who she is.
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thank you grat
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Also, Duane can want to see TS brought to justice for his crimes without hating him. [If] TS did the crimes, then he must do the time. That is justice and has nothing to do with how we feel about a person. I say that, but you all know that I also get at the supporters of this site who demonize DS with every post, when he is only another child of God with issues...........like the rest of us.
Thank you, Di. You're exactly right. In fact, sometimes people have to face severe consequences before they will own up to what they did. Without repentance there can be no forgiveness. With most of the victims that I am aware of, Tommy has shown NO remorse and has in fact been quite arrogant and hateful when confronted with what he did. Do you think I want to see Tommy miss Heaven over this? If it takes jail time to make him truly make things right, then I think it's worth that.
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Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
Then why are you commenting on it? Sheesh...some of you people are really stressing over this.
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Refresh my memory GRAT. Barbara Kerr is who? The lady who eventuall went to the clinic to treat her cancer? Or Linda's [Tripp]friend at 3ABN? Such a cast of characters. I just can't keep up! LOL!!
tinka - If I remember right the discussions of Barbara Kerr were on BSDA. If you didn't follow them or have not gone back and read them then you probably would not know who she is.
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Where you been Di, lol to keep up with all this ;)
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Johann you know better...John Stanton was hired by the Seventh Day Adventist Conference to take over the church in springfield. His going there had nothing to do with Linda. In fact, it would have been much easier on him, I'm sure, if she wasn't a member there. The conference hired him, sent him there and paid his salary. This had absolutely nothing to do with 3abn. With you being a retired pastor you know how it works when the conference sends you somewhere so why lie about it or believe Linda's lies?
Then John Stanton must have been lying when Dr. Arild Abrahamsen and I went to see him at his home in Springfield.
You were not there so you would not know what he told us. Linda was not there.
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They had a a prenup, again.
Don't you mean a post-nup?
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Refresh my memory GRAT. Barbara Kerr is who? The lady who eventuall went to the clinic to treat her cancer? Or Linda's [Tripp]friend at 3ABN? Such a cast of characters. I just can't keep up! LOL!!
tinka - If I remember right the discussions of Barbara Kerr were on BSDA. If you didn't follow them or have not gone back and read them then you probably would not know who she is.
Again, if I am remembering correctly BK was a little of both plus she had a cooking show on 3ABM or had made programs she wanted to be aired. There was some issue of her getting back her tapes after Linda left. Not sure of all the issues as my memory is not that clear. There was a lot of stuff going around and it was some years ago. Her mother wrote a letter that might have led some to believe that she (BK) had found something "juicy" when she was in Norway for treatment. :hot:
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For someone who seems to think it's ok for a grown man to have sex with a minor if the minor consents; I think you would be best to keep your mouth shut. You are a sick woman. Your statments lend NO crediblilty at all.
Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
Then why are you commenting on it? Sheesh...some of you people are really stressing over this.
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Sam,
Well, you need to understand one thing Sam, The one and only reason I am on these posts is to know truth because of "money given and for what reason It went for" I feel angry, deceived, because I knew not only what we did but the sacrifices of my family. Then when you see a bunch of hooley like what is going on it seems very hard that the devil tricked us by means we believed in. Short and simple. I do not gossip other then the posts of documents that are the facts that have been presented on here. It has been a trial to know who is protecting, who is lying, and to try to come up with some sort of truth to appease a horrible feeling of decipherment not only by us put others. Something is amiss, something is not right and all I can do is visualize what has been taken place. It is a saga that nobody should have to care about other then the fact of how this so called "money tree" is being operated under the "clan", nondenominational claim, extravaganza lifestyle, molestations, arrests, divorces, adultery, smoking, you name it and my heart is so upset to know what my mother did without to help this mass of junk..
You are wrong to think I do not want to know what is truth. I said over and over that I knew no one personally and the "glitches come across with there own scenario of not understanding that I purposely state that so no one can say I take sides other then which side appears to be putting in the documents for truth. I absolutely hate this mess that flies under the banner of SDA when in fact it seems to be a Jimmy Swigart fiasco.
As far as Nathan goes, my heart bled immediately for whatever he was going through as soon as I read the least thing. I felt none of that should have happened. Now there is your view and now that Nathan is older to be heard Nathan's side would be another. But on the other hand, I really wondered after reading Linda's input about her son actually choosing to leave her to go with his father would not have crushed her too. There seems to be a situation there that does not seem kosher. Did the son complain to the father and he seen his chance not to pay support and intice his son to come? I see many things that could have left a broken hearted mother. It seemed to as she wrote about it. and now things were not well so he goes back home to a very busy mother that has taken much to do for worldwide view and programming. She was committed and yet from 3abn they complained of her. Still who was in charge there? It was also very possible that Nathan's did not like restrictions of worldly events. while his mother was in Christian events. What was her choice? What is Alyssa's stance on this. Does she have views? is she against her mother too? Seems she has been through quite a bit signing a document. Does she know she can be charged with perjury if lying. I just don't think she signed legal document knowing consequences of jail.
anyways because of previous interests, guess I have a right to know as all other public givers to know just what has crept into the church by way of 3abn. It is beside me for the protectors not to come up with answers. I appreciate your comments and hope you understand mine. But if all is innocent then what in the world would be the problem of stating facts when questions are brought up instead of just getting on here and calling people liars, gossipers. All they have to do is use nouns, persons, places and or things in civil discussion stating how they witnessed it. All I see is screwy ideas that try to spin what documents say. It's just their way of avoiding what most people can visualize with their own eyes. Did you ever see such a mess as the DNA mess.
Also, I was under the understanding that there was visitation to Norway, that spurred on the onset of meeting and interest to help Nathan and first suggestion of the Dr. I do not believe that Dr. wrote in public view the truth as he saw it in detailed sequence to lose his soul in the end at the discovery of all lies. It definitely shows that Brenda lied and the IRS records lie, and so for one thing sure, It will be known in the end. That is the power of God over evil. So you all need to quit blaming me for all your legal documents that are for public view that has been brought on by the crazy saga of 3abn. i have no reason to dispute legal documents and what has taken place and the posts are here to comment on them. so that is why it is so stupid when some come one here and say Oh, look what Tinka is gossiping about. It's all the protectors posting that brings it on after one mentions with all emails and documents. You can state one thing and the next comes off the wall stuff that you can't even figure out where they got their view when that is not even something a person said. Happens all the time with especially 2 on her. I see LS lost custody by her religious views and complaints. Was that a bad mom? Telling half a story makes it implying a lie by 3D.
Thanks for your reply done civil.
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Refresh my memory GRAT. Barbara Kerr is who? The lady who eventuall went to the clinic to treat her cancer? Or Linda's [Tripp]friend at 3ABN? Such a cast of characters. I just can't keep up! LOL!!
tinka - If I remember right the discussions of Barbara Kerr were on BSDA. If you didn't follow them or have not gone back and read them then you probably would not know who she is.
Again, if I am remembering correctly BK was a little of both plus she had a cooking show on 3ABM or had made programs she wanted to be aired. There was some issue of her getting back her tapes after Linda left. Not sure of all the issues as my memory is not that clear. There was a lot of stuff going around and it was some years ago. Her mother wrote a letter that might have led some to believe that she (BK) had found something "juicy" when she was in Norway for treatment. :hot:
Yep, now I remember all, and I remember the cooking program and now i know thanks grat. I knew the name and just could not remember the face.
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For someone who seems to think it's ok for a grown man to have sex with a minor if the minor consents; I think you would be best to keep your mouth shut. You are a sick woman. Your statments lend NO crediblilty at all.Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
Then why are you commenting on it? Sheesh...some of you people are really stressing over this.
Just to set the record straight in as little words as possible: NO I DID NOT SAY THAT samuelthomas so you can stop repeating Pickle's LIES. Have fun in court next month.
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I think this is the statement in question.
Bob, you said out of the seven people supposedly molested by TS, one is under age over on Maritime. Did I understand you correctly?
If so, then six of the seven would be considered "consenting" adults. And perhaps even the one under age was consenting, who knows if any of this is true. I have my doubts not because you posted it or because Mr. Joy investigated this, but because none of the 7 prosecuted TS or took him to court. I would certainly suggest to them that they do so as soon as possible.
http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-et-al-apologists-lee-01.htm
For someone who seems to think it's ok for a grown man to have sex with a minor if the minor consents; I think you would be best to keep your mouth shut. You are a sick woman. Your statments lend NO crediblilty at all.Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
Then why are you commenting on it? Sheesh...some of you people are really stressing over this.
Just to set the record straight in as little words as possible: NO I DID NOT SAY THAT samuelthomas so you can stop repeating Pickle's LIES. Have fun in court next month.
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Yes, it is so tell me how Junebug can say she DID NOT say that? It's right there black and white.
I think this is the statement in question.
Bob, you said out of the seven people supposedly molested by TS, one is under age over on Maritime. Did I understand you correctly?
If so, then six of the seven would be considered "consenting" adults. And perhaps even the one under age was consenting, who knows if any of this is true. I have my doubts not because you posted it or because Mr. Joy investigated this, but because none of the 7 prosecuted TS or took him to court. I would certainly suggest to them that they do so as soon as possible.
http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-et-al-apologists-lee-01.htm
For someone who seems to think it's ok for a grown man to have sex with a minor if the minor consents; I think you would be best to keep your mouth shut. You are a sick woman. Your statments lend NO crediblilty at all.Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
Then why are you commenting on it? Sheesh...some of you people are really stressing over this.
Just to set the record straight in as little words as possible: NO I DID NOT SAY THAT samuelthomas so you can stop repeating Pickle's LIES. Have fun in court next month.
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samuelthomas on AT
by Breezy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:28 pm UTC
It is time I make a definite statement here concerning accusations by Pickle and now taken up by smauelthomas.
They both have said on AT that supposedly I think it is okay for a grown pedophile to molest a minor if they consent to it. I've NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER said anything like that so I suggest you get off that kick because it is making you look like complete morons. Please, get a grip. Both of you would do better to keep your mouths shut so as to try to help us remove all doubt that you are both fools.
Well, Mrs. Junebug, it don't take a rocket scientist to read the above post that George posted, and see exactly what you said. It speaks for itself.
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Wow, July can't come soon enough :hot:
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samuelthomas on AT
by Breezy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:28 pm UTC
It is time I make a definite statement here concerning accusations by Pickle and now taken up by smauelthomas.
They both have said on AT that supposedly I think it is okay for a grown pedophile to molest a minor if they consent to it. I've NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER said anything like that so I suggest you get off that kick because it is making you look like complete morons. Please, get a grip. Both of you would do better to keep your mouths shut so as to try to help us remove all doubt that you are both fools.
Well, Mrs. Junebug, it don't take a rocket scientist to read the above post that George posted, and see exactly what you said. It speaks for itself.
She also said she knows for a fact that Tommy will be found innocent.
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by Breezy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:28 pm UTC
She also said she knows for a fact that Tommy will be found innocent.
Well, here is a case where BREEZY clearly does not have her "fact" straight or is she tampering
with the jury???? Personally, I hope you are jury tampering because that will get you 5-10 in the
pen!!! Maybe she gets a spot next to her pedophilic predator hero, Tommy Lee Shelton!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
"Radical, Right-Wing, Tea-Party Fundementalist" by Proclamation of Dr Lawrence Gerraty
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by Breezy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:28 pm UTC
She also said she knows for a fact that Tommy will be found innocent.
Well, here is a case where BREEZY clearly does not have her "fact" straight or is she tampering
with the jury???? Personally, I hope you are jury tampering because that will get you 5-10 in the
pen!!! Maybe she gets a spot next to her pedophilic predator hero, Tommy Lee Shelton!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
"Radical, Right-Wing, Tea-Party Fundementalist" by Proclamation of Dr Lawrence Gerraty
As sick as this may sound- I think she might like that.
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For someone who seems to think it's ok for a grown man to have sex with a minor if the minor consents; I think you would be best to keep your mouth shut. You are a sick woman. Your statments lend NO crediblilty at all.Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
Then why are you commenting on it? Sheesh...some of you people are really stressing over this.
Just to set the record straight in as little words as possible: NO I DID NOT SAY THAT samuelthomas so you can stop repeating Pickle's LIES. Have fun in court next month.
It is no lie that you have repeatedly refused to say that even if a minor "consents," it makes no difference.
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Ok, GRAT, I was remembering correctly. Brenda is the is the friend who even went to Norway with Linda, but then turned out to be not such a good friend. Barbara, I remember had some issues. She had some kind of angle, too, that we just could not figure out. There was some kind of issue surrounding the circumstances of the treatment in Norway.......As I said a very colorful cast of characters to be sure! LOL!!
Again, if I am remembering correctly BK was a little of both plus she had a cooking show on 3ABM or had made programs she wanted to be aired. There was some issue of her getting back her tapes after Linda left. Not sure of all the issues as my memory is not that clear. There was a lot of stuff going around and it was some years ago. Her mother wrote a letter that might have led some to believe that she (BK) had found something "juicy" when she was in Norway for treatment. :hot:
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Sometimes I think someone could use this for a script for a soap opera. It would make a good one, if it wasn't so sad. So many people getting hurt and so many people in charge covering up.
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Duane, your ego is showing. No one cares whether you testify or not. :oops:
Also, I am going to add one more thing to this statement, Junebug. Of course you would post something like that. You would have a problem with anyone testifying against TS. As you have so vehmently claimed yourself, you know for sure TS will be found innocent.
So, of course, you wouldn't care. Or Would you? You are scared to death that any testimony would go against TS. I think you would be best advised to support the victims than support a pedophile.
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Sex Offender Lawyer Loses A Case – Vows to Appeal
March 21, 2009 — batteredmomslosecustody
With news every day about sex offenders, what makes this case worthy of discussing? The Maryland lawyer who brazenly advertizes his expertise on childsexcrimes.com
“Tom Pavlinic represents people who have been falsely accused of sexual abuse”
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Maybe TS should start sweating :hot:
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Sex Offender Lawyer Loses A Case – Vows to Appeal
March 21, 2009 — batteredmomslosecustody
“Tom Pavlinic represents people who have been falsely accused of sexual abuse”
So, if Pavlinic only represents "falsely accused", has anyone wondered why he is representing Tommy Ray Shelton?
Is he blind, can't read, hasn't done his background yet??? Or, can we assume Pavlinic's conscience will awaken him
he negotiates a short sentence for a large fee!!!
Anyone seen the docket and seen the Defendant's Witness List? Someone should suggest the Defendant testify in
his own behalf!!! Don't forget Danny Lee Shelton and the Conard family!!! Now that is a winning ticket...for the State!!!
If he takes this to trial, I would safely predict another "Guilty" verdict.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a Radical, Right-wing, Tea-party fundamentalist per the declaration of Dr. Lawrence Geraty
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The attacks have begun! Thought I woud post this to show the ignorance of some.
John C. Manly
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John C. Manly
by Lilly » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:19 am UTC
Some say this man is "notorious" for working with clergy abuse. Looks like he is "notorious" for other reasons too.
http://www.themediareport.com/topic-joh ... -index.htm
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Re: John C. Manly
by Cynthia » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:00 pm UTC
Lilly wrote:
Some say this man is "notorious" for working with clergy abuse. Looks like he is "notorious" for other reasons too.
http://www.themediareport.com/topic-joh ... -index.htm
Hmmmm... interesting.
Welcome to our forum Lilly, (I am sure you'll do fine, but as always, all new members are advised to read our forum policy and rules before posting in order to prevent future misunderstandings or problems from occurring and to promote healthy discussion ), and thanks for the link and information. I can't say I am even surprised here. It looks to me like Mr Manley is right up their alley and will fit in well with that group. He looks expensive though... Of course they have had all kinds of questions about who is paying for the other attorney etc, and keep trying to imply 3ABN is ( NOT, the defendant is) but doubt they will understand those same questions apply to their side. It is understandable to me that a defendant needs to retain a lawyer, but maybe someone here can explain here to me why it was necessary to retain this l"John C. Manly" ? I thought the State of Virginia had filed the case, and the Prosecutor was going to be "prosecuting"??? And how, if the 2 accusers don't know each other and don't communicate, as was reported (and by one of them in court even), do they both end up with the same attorney?~ Cindy
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Re: John C. Manly
by Truth » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:40 pm UTC
Sounds like Attorney Manly has a dubious past. I can't answer your questions Cynthia but I agree with your assessments. It does seem strange that the victims would need a lawyer but of course it is something they can do.
Welcome Lilly. I'm sure you've been reading a lot here.
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So Cindy Conard's site has done it again. Remember when I was being bashed over there for allegedly being anti-Catholic? Now they are bashing John Manly for allegedly being anti-Catholic.
How is that supposed to help 3ABN look better?
The URL not given correctly above is http://www.themediareport.com/topic-john-manly/manly-index.htm (http://www.themediareport.com/topic-john-manly/manly-index.htm). The banner at the top says:
"TheMediaReport.com
"Examining anti-Catholicism and bias in the media"
The whole page on Manly is all about trying to run him down for being anti-Catholic.
Look at the last link on the list: John Manly Sanctioned By Judge For 'Unacceptable' Conduct (http://www.themediareport.com/topic-john-manly/manly-sanctioned.htm). The Catholic apologist fails to quote the part of the article at http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060111-1813-ca-attorneysanctioned.html (http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060111-1813-ca-attorneysanctioned.html) which says, "Some observers said they were surprised by the decision to sanction Manly."
Why was Manly sanctioned? Because:
Manly had suggested that attorneys for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles wanted to suspend the deposition because they "hope the witness will die" before he can be fully questioned.
At one point, Manly told church attorneys, "I'm not asking your permission, counsel. You're not wearing a powdered wig and a robe," according to a motion filed by archdiocese attorney Michael Hennigan.
Now if Manly should be sanctioned for saying these things, why wasn't Simpson sanctioned for outrageously lying when he said that the Remnant documents were irrelevant?
I have a feeling that lawyers and Bible-believing Christians define "lie" differently. Lawyers can define it differently if they want, but the Judge of all the earth will call them to account one day. And it won't be pretty.
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Nobody on our site personally bashed him for being anti-catholic....and for the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post Bob Pickle is objecting to was removed immediately and yet he continues to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, (as is his habit) as if it was allowed, was the voice of all, and was posted according to our rules, which it wasn't,... ************************************************.
I'm just saying..
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For the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post you are objecting to was removed immediately and yet you continue to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, as if it was allowed,... *****************************************.
I'm just saying..
Nice to see you again, "Polly"!
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Nice to see you again, "Polly"!
Wrong, your Mama said you've always been troubled. I'm sorry.
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For the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post you are objecting to was removed immediately and yet you continue to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, as if it was allowed,.. *********************************************.
I'm just saying..
Nice to see you again, "Polly"!
Wrong, your Mama said you've always been troubled. I'm sorry.
You're sick you know that?
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For the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post you are objecting to was removed immediately and yet you continue to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, as if it was allowed,... *******************************************.
I'm just saying..
Nice to see you again, "Polly"!
Wrong, your Mama said you've always been troubled. I'm sorry.
You're sick you know that?
Sick is according to our individual perspectives and views.. If you don't want a response don't stick your nose in and give your 2 cents, as it invites that. That's all I have to say about that. ;)
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For the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post you are objecting to was removed immediately and yet you continue to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, as if it was allowed,... *****************************************.
I'm just saying..
Nice to see you again, "Polly"!
Wrong, your Mama said you've always been troubled. I'm sorry.
You're sick you know that?
Sick is according to our individual perspectives and views.. If you don't want a response don't stick your nose in and give your 2 cents, as it invites that. That's all I have to say about that. ;)
Says, "Polly"! :ROFL: :ROFL:
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For the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post you are objecting to was removed immediately and yet you continue to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, as if it was allowed,... *******************************************.
I'm just saying..
Nice to see you again, "Polly"!
Wrong, your Mama said you've always been troubled. I'm sorry.
You're sick you know that?
Sick is according to our individual perspectives and views.. If you don't want a response don't stick your nose in and give your 2 cents, as it invites that. That's all I have to say about that. ;)
Says, "Polly"! :ROFL: :ROFL:
You really are far from amusing, but speaking of a limited brain and being repetitious.. wanna cracker before I leave again?
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For the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post you are objecting to was removed immediately and yet you continue to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, as if it was allowed,... ********************************************.
I'm just saying..
Nice to see you again, "Polly"!
Wrong, your Mama said you've always been troubled. I'm sorry.
You're sick you know that?
Sick is according to our individual perspectives and views.. If you don't want a response don't stick your nose in and give your 2 cents, as it invites that. That's all I have to say about that. ;)
Says, "Polly"! :ROFL: :ROFL:
You really are far from amusing, but speaking of a limited brain and being repetitious.. wanna cracker before I leave again?
Now, my feelings are just hurt. :console: :wave:
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Nobody on our site personally bashed him for being anti-catholic....and for the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post Bob Pickle is objecting to was removed immediately and yet he continues to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, (as is his habit) as if it was allowed, was the voice of all, and was posted according to our rules, which it wasn't,... *******************************.
I'm just saying..
I distinctly remember someone on your site bashing me with the comments of Catholic apologists. You had the sense to remove the post, that is true.
Am I remembering incorrectly?
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Things that make you wonder!
I find it kind of strange, that 3ABN_Defender gets banned, then Cindy showes up.
Anyone else notice that?
Cindy "Ian", aka "polly" has not posted on this forum in weeks. However, now that 3ABN_defender is banned, coincidentally she arrives again.
The last time Defender got banned, the same sequence happened.
Anyone else find that strange?
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3ABN_Defender gets banned, then Cindy showed up.
Anyone else notice that?
Yep. I wonder if I leave if 3abn defender will return? Let's see... :console:
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3ABN_Defender gets banned, then Cindy showed up.
Anyone else notice that?
Yep. I wonder if I leave if 3abn defender will return? Let's see... :console:
Pretty impossibe when "3ABN_Defender" is banned. I'm sure "Ian" will be sure to take Defenders place though. :-X
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If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
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If I had to make a wild guess, I would say Ian is Tam S. and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
I definitely believe the "he" words used by Junebug when referring too, 3d was a throw off. 3d writes in a fashion, that makes me believe it is a woman. I do not know many men who would write some of the "little" things that 3d does. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
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Yes, I believe it is steffan k's site...
Nobody on our site personally bashed him for being anti-catholic....and for the umpteenth dozen time, it's NOT my site. I just moderate, but remember how the post Bob Pickle is objecting to was removed immediately and yet he continues to bring it up and dwell on it, and to find fault and complain, (as is his habit) as if it was allowed, was the voice of all, and was posted according to our rules, which it wasn't,... ************************************************.
I'm just saying..
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Post edited to remove Steffan's full name per his complaint. (I know, I know - pot, kettle, black...) However, his contact information is publically available at http://whois.domaintools.com/3abntalk.com.
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If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
I definitely believe the "he" words used by Junebug when referring too, 3d was a throw off. 3d writes in a fashion, that makes me believe it is a woman. I do not know many men who would write some of the "little" things that 3d does. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
Your right about the writing fashion, it is a woman I detected that many times. The thing though you really look at is the deceivement that is implied to purposly use "he". It comes easy for them.
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If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
I definitely believe the "he" words used by Junebug when referring too, 3d was a throw off. 3d writes in a fashion, that makes me believe it is a woman. I do not know many men who would write some of the "little" things that 3d does. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
Your right about the writing fashion, it is a woman I detected that many times. The thing though you really look at is the deceivement that is implied to purposly use "he". It comes easy for them.
You're right, but that is a typical Danny, Tommy, I perfer "clan" supporter. Being deceptive is their M.O in life.
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Without being able to understand someone "supporting" this ministry of viewable sinful actions to the extent it is; I no longer think that "supporter" is the right word.
I think better that when a person is so indoctrinated of wrong doing and know no different that they are more of a "disciple" of the one they follow or "love".
Think Waco...Wacko! There is just too much evidence according to "mothers letters", witnesses of molestations, documented letter by stepdaughter, Extravaganza lifestyle, Income not matching IRS, adultery, personal "vanity money" & "clan money". along now with the same sort of hidden actions of people that work within the realm of 3abn. This is one reason they can all stick to DS and DS can stick with them. Who ever thought they would be contributing money to the spreading of the gospel to end up like this? Why were some so stupid to think that SDA -3abn was no more different then the other Jimmy Swaggart teams on National tv used to the devise of "love" of their own talent.
A person that protects their Integrity and Education does not come out in direct statements that are not true as the letter of Dr. A. Not true statement sooner or later will be proven to the ruin of his built business. The same with 3abn sooner or later it came out. An intelligent, christian person can reason this out for their own Character. and evil desciple can't as their own selfish desires are priority.
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If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
I definitely believe the "he" words used by Junebug when referring too, 3d was a throw off. 3d writes in a fashion, that makes me believe it is a woman. I do not know many men who would write some of the "little" things that 3d does. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
Your right about the writing fashion, it is a woman I detected that many times. The thing though you really look at is the deceivement that is implied to purposly use "he". It comes easy for them.
You're right, but that is a typical Danny, Tommy, I perfer "clan" supporter. Being deceptive is their M.O in life.
oh brother... :ROFL:
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If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
I definitely believe the "he" words used by Junebug when referring too, 3d was a throw off. 3d writes in a fashion, that makes me believe it is a woman. I do not know many men who would write some of the "little" things that 3d does. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
Your right about the writing fashion, it is a woman I detected that many times. The thing though you really look at is the deceivement that is implied to purposly use "he". It comes easy for them.
hmmm... More clueless surmising.
(These two are lucky they aren't trying to figure out who, GRAT, Snoopy, or George etc is. I can promise you the response would not be so mild...)
FWIW, I have never mentioned my gender here, (not even to Junebug) as I didn't and don't consider it relevant to anything I have ever said to a member, nor have ever posted here in a topic, because...
it wasn't.
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Why would we be trying to figure out who GRAT is; when you have made it clear you know all about her. We aren't as desperate as you 3D.
If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
I definitely believe the "he" words used by Junebug when referring too, 3d was a throw off. 3d writes in a fashion, that makes me believe it is a woman. I do not know many men who would write some of the "little" things that 3d does. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
Your right about the writing fashion, it is a woman I detected that many times. The thing though you really look at is the deceivement that is implied to purposly use "he". It comes easy for them.
hmmm... More clueless surmising.
(These two are lucky they aren't trying to figure out who, GRAT, Snoopy, or George etc is. I can promise you the response would not be so mild...)
FWIW, I have never mentioned my gender here, (not even to Junebug) as I didn't and don't consider it relevant to anything I have ever said to a member, nor have ever posted here in a topic, because...
it wasn't.
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If I had to make a wild guess, I think Ian could be Tam S how do you know her name is Cindy? and the "he" words used by 3d is a throw off.
I know Bob has called her Cindy many times.
I definitely believe the "he" words used by Junebug when referring too, 3d was a throw off. 3d writes in a fashion, that makes me believe it is a woman. I do not know many men who would write some of the "little" things that 3d does. I could be wrong though, but I doubt it.
Your right about the writing fashion, it is a woman I detected that many times. The thing though you really look at is the deceivement that is implied to purposly use "he". It comes easy for them.
hmmm... More clueless surmising.
(These two are lucky they aren't trying to figure out who, GRAT, Snoopy, or George etc is. I can promise you the response would not be so mild...)
FWIW, I have never mentioned my gender here, (not even to Junebug) as I didn't and don't consider it relevant to anything I have ever said to a member, nor have ever posted here in a topic, because...
it wasn't.
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Hhmm. Bad example. My identity is no secret thanks to your friend and cohort, Cindy Conard Ford.
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Come on guys! You all play this identity game. what I am trying to figure out is why everyone is hiding to begin with. You'd think you all were in the international espionage game...........
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Well, lets see. Could it possibly be Diane that you don't have any firsthand experience with Dan Shelton or 3ABN? Could it be that you haven't heard some of the horror stories about what some folks have had to experience simply because of their association with either or both? Could it be that it is easy to sit on the outside of a situation and throw little darts of disapproval in to the ring for those who have actually experienced or witnessed such? OR, could it be that such behavior might come across as a bit condescending??
Come on guys! You all play this identity game. what I am trying to figure out is why everyone is hiding to begin with. You'd think you all were in the international espionage game...........
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Now, Snoopy, you know I haven't been on the "outside" of this for a while. I have had my name drug through the mud by both sides, and believe me, Danny knows who I am. If he didn't before JL told him for sure. I am just not going to hide from them. You know Danny took on BSDA early, when no one was hiding, and he lost that war, but didn't dare try any craziness. If Danny is somebody who more resembles the mafia then the owner of a religious broadcasting network, then some authorities need to be called. Folks hiding like they fear for their lives. No darts, Dear Snoopy, just an observation..........you all no better than I.
Well, lets see. Could it possibly be Diane that you don't have any firsthand experience with Dan Shelton or 3ABN? Could it be that you haven't heard some of the horror stories about what some folks have had to experience simply because of their association with either or both? Could it be that it is easy to sit on the outside of a situation and throw little darts of disapproval in to the ring for those who have actually experienced or witnessed such? OR, could it be that such behavior might come across as a bit condescending??
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Has Danny ruined reputations and careers of other people besides Linda? If he has, why hasn't he been taken to court, or at least had His name drug thru the papers, or won't the papers listen?
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Has Danny ruined reputations and careers of other people besides Linda? If he has, why hasn't he been taken to court, or at least had His name drug thru the papers, or won't the papers listen?
Yes...
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....yes.....and...the answer to the rest of mrst53's question.........?
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Unfortunately, Danny's victims do not have the financial resources to wage an extended court battle against him---unlike Danny who appears to have bottomless pockets to wage his legal battles. Where that money comes from... Well, sometimes it is better for an individual not to speculate publically. Draw your own conclusions.
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Seems to me that they are more intrigued why he was retained. It is not uncommon in this type of case for victims to retain personal attorneys. Especially, if you are up against the Shelton regime.
So Cindy Conard's site has done it again. Remember when I was being bashed over there for allegedly being anti-Catholic? Now they are bashing John Manly for allegedly being anti-Catholic.
How is that supposed to help 3ABN look better?
The URL not given correctly above is http://www.themediareport.com/topic-john-manly/manly-index.htm (http://www.themediareport.com/topic-john-manly/manly-index.htm). The banner at the top says:
"TheMediaReport.com
"Examining anti-Catholicism and bias in the media"
The whole page on Manly is all about trying to run him down for being anti-Catholic.
Look at the last link on the list: John Manly Sanctioned By Judge For 'Unacceptable' Conduct (http://www.themediareport.com/topic-john-manly/manly-sanctioned.htm). The Catholic apologist fails to quote the part of the article at http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060111-1813-ca-attorneysanctioned.html (http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060111-1813-ca-attorneysanctioned.html) which says, "Some observers said they were surprised by the decision to sanction Manly."
Why was Manly sanctioned? Because:
Manly had suggested that attorneys for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles wanted to suspend the deposition because they "hope the witness will die" before he can be fully questioned.
At one point, Manly told church attorneys, "I'm not asking your permission, counsel. You're not wearing a powdered wig and a robe," according to a motion filed by archdiocese attorney Michael Hennigan.
Now if Manly should be sanctioned for saying these things, why wasn't Simpson sanctioned for outrageously lying when he said that the Remnant documents were irrelevant?
I have a feeling that lawyers and Bible-believing Christians define "lie" differently. Lawyers can define it differently if they want, but the Judge of all the earth will call them to account one day. And it won't be pretty.
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Aren't attorneys willing to take on defamation of character suits for commision? Surely there must be enough people to testify in one per person's favor against Danny. He just can't keep doing this. Can a group of people gather a Class Action Suit against another person.? If he is ruining reputations and causing people to lose jobs/money, something should be able to be done.
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I am sure that a lot of people are going to pay or at least have their day in court, for the cover up of molestation.
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Will it be difficult getting hold of all the witnesses? Will the court case be delayed?
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Will it be difficult getting hold of all the witnesses? Will the court case be delayed?
Both trials are scheduled for two days, wonder if that will be the case?
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I pray that justice will be done and Tommy will never have the opportunity to harm another child, young person or adult again. He was a wolf in sheppard's clothing, publically proclaiming the "good news" and privately doing the devil's bidding. How much corruption can exist in one family, in one generation, all claiming publicly to serve God?
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I pray that justice will be done and Tommy will never have the opportunity to harm another child, young person or adult again. He was a wolf in sheppard's clothing, publically proclaiming the "good news" and privately doing the devil's bidding. How much corruption can exist in one family, in one generation, all claiming publicly to serve God?
I agree with your concept, Sister. I don't think we will ever understand what was behind his thinking. Proclaiming that God had called hit to preach the Gospel. For what? So, he could do everything he preached against. Hurting children, while committing adultery with his wife, to fulfill his own self pleasures. While in the meantime claiming that he was ill (to get out of trouble.)
I find it more troubling that these churches was so blind, in my opinion they are just as guilty, as is his wife. They are no better than the perpetrator himself. Along, with the others who continue to stand in his defense.
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They all had many many years to repent. They all were in position to know truth. They only used the truth of the gospel to take from the "honest" and the victims of their complete corruption that finally was given view thanks to victims that came forward which will protect future victims. I think you call that the "dead walking around dead".
The court maybe short because he may plead guilty or no contest as not to go into more of his own shame. What else can he do? other then drag in more and more against his own self in public eyes. Do they really want that? It maybe that negotiations are in process. Surely they will not plead not guilty. That will take the bucks. Then on second thought maybe they will be "advised " to plead not guilty.
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They all had many many years to repent. They all were in position to know truth. They only used the truth of the gospel to take from the "honest" and the victims of their complete corruption that finally was given view thanks to victims that came forward which will protect future victims. I think you call that the "dead walking around dead".
The court maybe short because he may plead guilty or no contest as not to go into more of his own shame. What else can he do? other then drag in more and more against his own self in public eyes. Do they really want that? It maybe that negotiations are in process. Surely they will not plead not guilty. That will take the bucks. Then on second thought maybe they will be "advised " to plead not guilty.
Honestly, I can't see Tommy pleading guilty now. He doesn't have the courage.
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You are probably right as the two days of trial and pleading of not guilty will only get it ready for the big guns. and the "money trees are getting ready to harvest".
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You are probably right as the two days of trial and pleading of not guilty will only get it ready for the big guns. and the "money trees are getting ready to harvest".
I agree with Duane, I don't forsee him pleading "Not guilty." That just goes to show how low he will stoop to make his victims relive the agony they have already been through. It's sickening.
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Since 3d got on here and spilled all she could for salvation of TS how short on funds status, isn't it amazing where he will get his funds now if you see this in the hands of the big time defenders, of course 3d - he has not lost all yet!! He just has not lost his clothes yet? Which 3d do you think he would prefer for new covering--the orange or the stripes cloth?
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Since 3d got on here and spilled all she could for salvation of TS how short on funds status, isn't it amazing where he will get his funds now if you see this in the hands of the big time defenders, of course 3d - he has not lost all yet!! He just has not lost his clothes yet? Which 3d do you think he would prefer for new covering--the orange or the stripes cloth?
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Do you really believe that everyone can testify within the 2 day time-frame?
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No, I don't.
Do you really believe that everyone can testify within the 2 day time-frame?
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You are probably right as the two days of trial and pleading of not guilty will only get it ready for the big guns. and the "money trees are getting ready to harvest".
I agree with Duane, I don't forsee him pleading "Not guilty." That just goes to show how low he will stoop to make his victims relive the agony they have already been through. It's sickening.
Are you telling us that you beleive that he will plead guilty?
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Gregory: Thank you for pointing out my error. That should have said I do not forsee him pleading "Guilty." Again, thank you.
You are probably right as the two days of trial and pleading of not guilty will only get it ready for the big guns. and the "money trees are getting ready to harvest".
I agree with Duane, I don't forsee him pleading "Not guilty." That just goes to show how low he will stoop to make his victims relive the agony they have already been through. It's sickening.
Are you telling us that you beleive that he will plead guilty?
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If they have only set aside 2 days for the trials, do you think they will have a continuance?
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You can try to minimize her testimony Johann, but that will not make it any less profound. You know she's right.
She made lots of statements. Did she state the truth and nothing but the truth in all of them?
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Here is the truth whichever way you try to spin it!
I was saying only Danny and Nathan can testify to their relationship and since no one here is going to take Danny's word about it (nor mine) then the best person to ask is Nathan as he is not going to lie about it.
Well, we managed to get a contact with Nathan, who has been under medical care after an accident at work, and tell him what has been said about him here. His first reaction was that what has been said about him here are not true.
In short:
You quoted a letter from Linda to Danny where she asked him if Nathan could stay with them for a couple of weeks after his return from Norway. Danny's reply was "NO" Danny did not want to have anything to do with Nathan. He was Linda's responsibility and not his. He did not want to see him at his house.
When did Nathan and Danny see each other last?
Two years ago Nathan was fishing in a lake when Danny happened to come by.
- Hi! said one of them
- Hi! said the other one.
Two years ago. That was it. Period.
I'm glad you say that Nathan is not going to lie about it. Where do the false rumors come from then?
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Since you insist on telling these lies I request that you verify your claim. What did Barbara Kerr state when she came back from Norway? Why did Barbara's mother stay a week with Linda recently helping her packing as she was moving out of her house, assuring Linda that both she and her daughter stand fully behind her and they do not believe that Danny is telling the truth?
So, go ahead and get a statement from them!
For your sake, and everybody else, it may pay to let things stay right there.
Excuse me? That comment more appropriately applies to you and Linda. You don't want the truth discovered revealed, it would cast doubt on everything you have claimed to this point.
But if you think it is important, why don't you say what you think happened there?
Unlike you (and others), I know when something is not mine to divulge. I also know that if I were to divulge the information you would immediately attempt to refute it and cast dispersions, muddying the waters. Bottom line, though, is that I do not have a right to speak for Barbara Kerr, only she can do that, that is her right.