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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Artiste on April 13, 2010, 05:58:53 AM
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I noticed this item on the Club Adventist Forum of Stan Jensen, citizen of Adventistan.
March 4, 2010
From the Desk of Don C. Schneider. . . .
Feel free to share this information.
...[down to item number 7]
7. Ken Denslow, president of the Illinois Conference, is considering a call to become the president of the Wisconsin Conference.
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In another thread, this exchange took place:
...the information on the page would indicate that 3ABN is currently a supporting ministry with the SDA church, apparently in good standing.
Is that definitely the case at this time?
Yes it is, Artiste. That is why there is no problem or conflicts of interest with the Illinois Conference President being a 3ABN board member, among many other things.
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Will the new Illinois Conference President also become a 3ABN board member?
Or is the Seventh-day Adventist Church trying to quietly extricate itself from the 3ABN morass?
Is there any need for the SDA church leadership to apologise to the members of the church, some of which continue to support and donate to 3ABN?
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Ken Denslow, if in fact he was offered, turned down the call to Wisconsin Conference. Mike Edge, was extended a call and accepted and is the new President of the Wisconsin Conference. The decision of Pastor Edge was announced approximately over two weeks ago.
Any new President of the Illinois Conference would, no doubt, fill Pastor Denslow's seat. But, it's a moot speculation.
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Any new President of the Illinois Conference would, no doubt, fill Pastor Denslow's seat.
In other words, the Seventh-day Adventist Church continues its close and supportive relationship with 3ABN.
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Jim Gilley has the Morning and Evening Sermons at Michigan camp meeting Sabbath June 12. As far as I know John Lomacang is a SDA pastor with 3ABN paying 1/2 his salary and the church paying the other half. I don't think Jim Gilley has given up his ministerial credentials either has he?
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3ABN is closely and intimately connected with the SDA church, not only with church personnel associated with it but also with its selling of 3ABN study Bibles containing EG White comments.
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Any new President of the Illinois Conference would, no doubt, fill Pastor Denslow's seat.
In other words, the Seventh-day Adventist Church continues its close and supportive relationship with 3ABN.
Alyssa's notarized document was supposedly sent to Ken Denslow. When will he take care of it?
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Alyssa's notarized document was supposedly sent to Ken Denslow. When will he take care of it?
Well that's interesting!
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Any new President of the Illinois Conference would, no doubt, fill Pastor Denslow's seat.
In other words, the Seventh-day Adventist Church continues its close and supportive relationship with 3ABN.
Alyssa's notarized document was supposedly sent to Ken Denslow. When will he take care of it?
Why not call him and ask?
It would be interesting to know who voted for booting Danny out in May 2008. I heard that Jim Gilley cast the deciding vote.
Thus, almost half of the board members at that time voted to boot him out. But then, a majority must have voted to try to crush us that summer with litigation on four fronts.
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I beleive that Denslow dismissed the letter and every ounce of evidence presented to him...which is a good reason to dismiss this miscreant priest!!! I can understand just why he is so supportive of Danny's "dump the old grey mare concept" as there have been whispers he would like to emulate the grand move, but he would be unlikely to get away with it. And, I understand that Mrs Denslow is no push-over...oops, does that infer Linda was a "push-over"???
By the way, have you ever wondered why so many pastors wives are just so unhappy??? The common complaint in the ones I have investigated is..."hypocrisy". Hum-m-m!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Ariste said:
3ABN is closely and intimately connected with the SDA church, not only with church personnel associated with it but also with its selling of 3ABN study Bibles containing EG White comments.
1) Perhaps permission was obtained from the EGW Estate to publish the Bible with the lEGW comments. I do not know. Do you?
2) In any case, the copyrigiht law in the U.S. does not require that permission be obtained to publish EGW comments that have entered the public domain, which is true for much of her published writings.
3) If those comments were published in the Bible, without permission of the EGW Estate, one cannot fairly state that their publicaiton indicates a connection between the SDA Church and 3-ABN.
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But the presence of that conference's president on the board of 3ABN does, does it not?
Ariste said:
3ABN is closely and intimately connected with the SDA church, not only with church personnel associated with it but also with its selling of 3ABN study Bibles containing EG White comments.
1) Perhaps permission was obtained from the EGW Estate to publish the Bible with the lEGW comments. I do not know. Do you?
2) In any case, the copyrigiht law in the U.S. does not require that permission be obtained to publish EGW comments that have entered the public domain, which is true for much of her published writings.
3) If those comments were published in the Bible, without permission of the EGW Estate, one cannot fairly state that their publicaiton indicates a connection between the SDA Church and 3-ABN.
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Daryl:
I was not arguing whether or not 3-ABN has a close relationship with the SDA Chruch. My point was simply that one could not argue that because a Bible had been published with EGW comments it could be established that it had a close relationship.
3-ABN is an independent organizaton, which is not controled by the SDA Chruch, yet it has a relationship that is closer to the SDA Chruch than are some other independent organizaitons and at the same time is not as close to the SDA Church as are some organizaitons. That relationship is complex and often not easily understood.
As to the President of the IL Confernce: He is a member of the 3-ABN Board. He could resign from the 3-ABN Board and if he were to do so, he would not lose his job as President of the IL Confernce. If I were the President of the IL Conference (Ha! Never happen.), 3-ABN would not be required to offer me a seat on their Board. If 3-ABN wanted to do so, they could offer you (Daryl) a seat on their Board.
3-ABN is independent in a manner that communicates with the SDA Church. The channels of communication are open and bi-directional communication takes place. But, the SDA Chruch does NOT control 3-ABN and 3-ABN does NOT control the SDA Chruch.
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But the presence of that conference's president on the board of 3ABN does, does it not?
Yes, and I believe all the members of that board are members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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Any new President of the Illinois Conference would, no doubt, fill Pastor Denslow's seat.
In other words, the Seventh-day Adventist Church continues its close and supportive relationship with 3ABN.
Alyssa's notarized document was supposedly sent to Ken Denslow. When will he take care of it?
How did you expect him to take care of it, when no complaints or charges were filed and you didn't want Alyssa questioned about it, or involved in any "trial", Johann?
It so happened that a prominent leader in the General Conference of the Seventh-day Adventist Church phoned me on behalf of the Chairman of the Board of 3ABN, stating that the accusation of Linda's daughter was very serious if it was true. He presented to me the suggestion of 3ABN to question the girl to find out if her allegations really happened the way she had presented it in her written report.
We discussed it back and forth. It appeared to me that the way the girl was supposed to be questioned would not assure her neutrality. We came to the conclusion that since the girl had signed her written statement before a notary public, and that she had mailed it to a Conference President, no other discussion should be necessary.
Because no affidavits have ever been filed against him and there are no complaints which have been made to 3abn, or the police, or his church from any so called victim. If there were, you would all have posted them long since, right? The truth is so easy to prove with facts and evidence, isn't it? Liars always have a disadvantage in that area. ...
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I can state this much that it was a "friend" who broke our confidence and "leaked" Linda's daughter's statement to people who were not supposed to receive it. This leakage caused an open discussion of her statement, which should not have taken place - and this is what Linda has in mind.
Fact is that Alyssa has never withdrawn her statement. She wrote it herself, and the intention was that is should go to leaders in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. She expected those leaders to investigate. . . and not treat Alyssa as a criminal because she revealed her step-father's abuse.
When I was asked to get Alyssa to submit to the "trial", I was also told that 3ABN had no intention of changing any of the evil things they had done to Linda, even though Church leaders had tried to get them to renew their former "investigations". My understanding was that they only wanted to get some people who had the skills to brand Alyssa as a liar to clear Danny's name.
Linda's concern was that Alyssa would not be exploited, humiliated, and destroyed any further than all what that cruel experience had done to her....
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Any new President of the Illinois Conference would, no doubt, fill Pastor Denslow's seat.
In other words, the Seventh-day Adventist Church continues its close and supportive relationship with 3ABN.
Alyssa's notarized document was supposedly sent to Ken Denslow. When will he take care of it?
How did you expect him to take care of it, when no complaints or charges were filed and you didn't want Alyssa questioned about it, or involved in any "trial", Johann?
It so happened that a prominent leader in the General Conference of the Seventh-day Adventist Church phoned me on behalf of the Chairman of the Board of 3ABN, stating that the accusation of Linda's daughter was very serious if it was true. He presented to me the suggestion of 3ABN to question the girl to find out if her allegations really happened the way she had presented it in her written report.
We discussed it back and forth. It appeared to me that the way the girl was supposed to be questioned would not assure her neutrality. We came to the conclusion that since the girl had signed her written statement before a notary public, and that she had mailed it to a Conference President, no other discussion should be necessary.
Because no affidavits have ever been filed against him and there are no complaints which have been made to 3abn, or the police, or his church from any so called victim. If there were, you would all have posted them long since, right? The truth is so easy to prove with facts and evidence, isn't it? Liars always have a disadvantage in that area. ...
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I can state this much that it was a "friend" who broke our confidence and "leaked" Linda's daughter's statement to people who were not supposed to receive it. This leakage caused an open discussion of her statement, which should not have taken place - and this is what Linda has in mind.
Fact is that Alyssa has never withdrawn her statement. She wrote it herself, and the intention was that is should go to leaders in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. She expected those leaders to investigate. . . and not treat Alyssa as a criminal because she revealed her step-father's abuse.
When I was asked to get Alyssa to submit to the "trial", I was also told that 3ABN had no intention of changing any of the evil things they had done to Linda, even though Church leaders had tried to get them to renew their former "investigations". My understanding was that they only wanted to get some people who had the skills to brand Alyssa as a liar to clear Danny's name.
Linda's concern was that Alyssa would not be exploited, humiliated, and destroyed any further than all what that cruel experience had done to her....
What answer do you want that isn't there already?
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Any new President of the Illinois Conference would, no doubt, fill Pastor Denslow's seat.
In other words, the Seventh-day Adventist Church continues its close and supportive relationship with 3ABN.
Alyssa's notarized document was supposedly sent to Ken Denslow. When will he take care of it?
How did you expect him to take care of it, when no complaints or charges were filed and you didn't want Alyssa questioned about it, or involved in any "trial", Johann?
It so happened that a prominent leader in the General Conference of the Seventh-day Adventist Church phoned me on behalf of the Chairman of the Board of 3ABN, stating that the accusation of Linda's daughter was very serious if it was true. He presented to me the suggestion of 3ABN to question the girl to find out if her allegations really happened the way she had presented it in her written report.
We discussed it back and forth. It appeared to me that the way the girl was supposed to be questioned would not assure her neutrality. We came to the conclusion that since the girl had signed her written statement before a notary public, and that she had mailed it to a Conference President, no other discussion should be necessary.
Because no affidavits have ever been filed against him and there are no complaints which have been made to 3abn, or the police, or his church from any so called victim. If there were, you would all have posted them long since, right? The truth is so easy to prove with facts and evidence, isn't it? Liars always have a disadvantage in that area. ...
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I can state this much that it was a "friend" who broke our confidence and "leaked" Linda's daughter's statement to people who were not supposed to receive it. This leakage caused an open discussion of her statement, which should not have taken place - and this is what Linda has in mind.
Fact is that Alyssa has never withdrawn her statement. She wrote it herself, and the intention was that is should go to leaders in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. She expected those leaders to investigate. . . and not treat Alyssa as a criminal because she revealed her step-father's abuse.
When I was asked to get Alyssa to submit to the "trial", I was also told that 3ABN had no intention of changing any of the evil things they had done to Linda, even though Church leaders had tried to get them to renew their former "investigations". My understanding was that they only wanted to get some people who had the skills to brand Alyssa as a liar to clear Danny's name.
Linda's concern was that Alyssa would not be exploited, humiliated, and destroyed any further than all what that cruel experience had done to her....
What answer do you want that isn't there already?
How did you expect him to take care of it, when no complaints or charges were filed and you didn't want Alyssa questioned about it, or involved in any "trial", Johann?
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How did you expect him to take care of it, when no complaints or charges were filed and you didn't want Alyssa questioned about it, or involved in any "trial", Johann?
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Look again before you keep asking the same question.
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But the presence of that conference's president on the board of 3ABN does, does it not?
Yes, and I believe all the members of that board are members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Are we absolutely sure of this statement? I still do not have proof of Romrell's baptism in an SDA church.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Yes, and I believe all the members of that board are members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Are we absolutely sure of this statement? I still do not have proof of Romrell's baptism in an SDA church.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Seems like Danny once told me they were. But I never asked for baptismal credentials.