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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: tinka on September 29, 2009, 12:59:54 AM
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They want to give free healthcare to illegals(who contribute NOTHING) AND social security but can't give 26 vets their pensions.
Despicable: Barack Obama Orders Pensions Cut Off To WWII Veterans
Posted by Gary (Profile)
Monday, September 28th at 5:24AM EDT
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From the diaries, by Erick.
Once again, Barack Obama proves he is not fit to serve as commander-in-chief to our armed forces. In a continuing despicable act, Obama is refusing to honor WWII veterans who fought for our nation in it’s darkest hours.
From the McClatchy News Service:
WASHINGTON — In a strongly worded message to Congress outlining its priorities for a military spending bill, the Obama administration today said it disapproved of including money for pensions for 26 elderly members of the World War II-era Alaska Territorial Guard.
The Guardsmen are among those assigned to protect Alaska from the Japanese during World War II.
….Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who along with Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, sponsored the fix [to the pensions], called the administration move “deeply disappointing, bordering on insensitive.” The legislation honors 26 elderly Native people who are the few remaining survivors of a military unit that served the country with valor, Murkowski said.
“The administration’s justification, which is that the legislation will set the precedent of treating service as a state employee as federal service, defies logic and history,” she said in a statement. “Sixty-two years after the Territorial Guard was disbanded, the Obama administration minimizes the contribution of this gallant unit to America’s success in World War II by calling its service ’state service.’ “
This is beyond the pale, and just shows Obama’s continual disregard for what has made America the greatest nation on earth. To diminish these brave Alaska Natives as “state employees” is to diminish all of the brave men and women who served their nation in all sorts of ways during WWI.
For those that don’t know, the Japanese attacked and invaded Alaska’s Aleutian Islands at the same time the battle of Midway was about to take place. It was part diversion, part payback for Doolittle’s bombing of Tokyo.
Above: Japanese bombing of Dutch Harbor, 4 June 1942…
Historical Photo - Public Domain: Naval Historical Center
Department of the United States Navy
Above: Japanese transport burning after U.S. air attack on Kiska Harbor, 18 June 1942…
Historical Photo - Public Domain; Naval Historical Center
Department of the United States Navy
This was a tragic bit of history for Alaskans, more of which you can read here and here.
From Wikipedia:
The Alaska Territorial Guard (ATG) or Eskimo Scouts was a military reserve force component of the US Army, organized in 1942 in response to attacks on American soil in Hawaii and Alaska by Japan during World War II. The ATG operated until 1947. 6,368 volunteers who served without pay were enrolled from 107 communities throughout Alaska in addition to a paid staff of 21, according to an official roster.
The ATG brought together for the first time into a joint effort members of these ethnic groups: Aleut, Athabaskan, European American, Inupiaq, Haida, Tlingit, Tsimshian, Yupik, and most likely others. In later years, all members of some native units scored expert sharpshooter rankings. Among the 27 or more women members were at least one whose riflery skills exceeded the men. The ages of members at enrollment ranged from 80 years old to as young as twelve. (both extremes occurring mostly in sparsely populated areas)
Two things stick out in my mind. One, these 6,368 Alaskan Territorial Guards, of which the 26 men being denied by Barack Obama are part of, served their nation during war time, for NO PAY.
Second, the situation was so dire that old men and children all pitched in.
You can read more here.
Another historic perspective can be read here:
The Alaska Territorial Guard: A Debt of Honor Unpaid. As this article points out towards the end:
In 2000, largely due to efforts by former Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens, a bill was signed into law ordering the Secretary of Defense to issue Honorable Discharges to all members of the Alaska Territorial Guard. The bill was intended to repay the debt of honor we as a nation owe these people, these Americans, and provided many of the surviving members (now in their 80’s and many living far below the poverty line) with retirement pay and survivor’s benefits and medial care.
However history views Ted Stevens it must be noted that he was largely responsible for righting a dishonorable and inexcusable injustice. However, the story of the ATG doesn’t end there – most of the elderly surviving members of the ATG live in remote and inaccessible locations. Finding them was long and difficult.
In 2003 Colonel Bob Goodman USA(ret), undertook the effort to find and assist the remaining members of the ATG, at first funded by the state and later out of his own pocket. So far he and his people have located over 150 former members of the ATG, and they estimate there are several hundred more – and they continue their efforts to this very day.
Many of those located in the last five years have since died of old age. For those who remain, the benefits provided aren’t much, some medical care and a couple hundred dollars a month, but for folks who now live far below the poverty line in villages where gasoline costs more than $10 per gallon – those benefits mean the difference between life and death.
Those benefits, that mere pittance in retirement pay, would seem to be the least we can do for those forgotten veterans of that long ago conflict.
It would seem to be the very least we could do.
But it’s not.
It turns out we could actually do less.
It turns out that the Army could suddenly decide, say yesterday in fact, to reinterpret the law to read that these men and women of the Alaska Territorial Guard, these men and woman who came to defend our nation in its time of need, these men and women who fought bravely for a flag not even their own, who built the roads and the airfields and the hospitals and the bridges and who rescued downed airmen and stranded sailors and braved the cold and the isolation and the horror of war – these men and women – are not, in fact, entitled to even that small effort.
That’s right. The Army has decided to cut off retirement pay for the twenty-six surviving members of the ATG. Twenty-six, and applications from thirty-seven more identified by Colonel Bob Goodwin and his people have been suspended. Apparently we can not afford to take care of even this small handful of people, this small handful of veterans, this small handful of Alaskans, this small handful of Americans.
However, in a good hearted move, the Army will not seek to recoup past payments.
Big of them, wouldn’t you say?
It goes without saying that this issue has been boiling for some time. Senator Stevens indeed had worked to get these brave WWII veterans, these brave Native Americans, their due.
In what some might say was odd timing, or Chicago style politics, just two days after Barack Obama had taken the Oath of Office as Commander-In-Chief, ABC News reported:
The Army has decided to cut off retirement pay for veterans of a largely Native militia formed to guard the territory of Alaska from the threat of Japanese attack during World War II.
The change means 26 surviving members of the Alaska Territorial Guard — most in their 80s and long retired — will lose as much as $557 in monthly retirement pay, a state veterans officer said Thursday. The payments end Feb. 1.
Applications for retirement pay from 37 others have been suspended.
The state is pursuing a remedy for “these brave Alaskans, who did so much for the cause of freedom during a time of great national peril,” Gov. Sarah Palin said.
The action comes almost a decade after Congress passed a law qualifying time served in the unpaid guard as active federal service. The Army agreed in 2004 to grant official military discharge certificates to members or their survivors.
An Army official said the law was misinterpreted. The law applies to military benefits, including medical benefits, but not retirement pay, said Lt. Col. Richard McNorton, with the Army’s human resources command in Alexandria, Va.
“The focus is to follow the law,” he said. “We can’t choose whether to follow the law.”
The Army doesn’t intend to seek to recoup past pay, he said.
About 300 members are still living from the original 6,600-member unit called up from 1942 to 1947 to scout patrols, build military airstrips and perform other duties. But only a fraction had enough other military service to reach the 20-year requirement for retirement pay.
Among those who did is 88-year-old Paul Kiunya in the western Alaska village of Kipnuk. Kiunya was 16 when he joined the territorial guard and worked in communications, reporting by radio any unusual noises or the direction of aircraft, including some Japanese planes he spotted.
“We did not get one cent being in the territorial guard,” he said. “And we worked hard.”
Kiunya — who later put in 22 years in the National Guard and another decade in the Guard reserves — will lose more than $358 a month in his retirement package because of the Army’s decision. With gasoline in his village at almost $10 a gallon, that’s a huge amount to lose.
For her part, Governor Sarah Palin, in her role as Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska Defense Force, the modern day equivalent to the Territorial Guard, signed SB 89 which funded, these pensions until 2010.
For those that don’t know, the Alaska Defense Force is a federally recognized state militia, that trains as an auxiliary police force, as well as a military defense force, and is part of Homeland Security’s readiness plan, and is under the command of the Governor of Alaska.
This situation is incredibly disturbing. All indications are these brave WWII veterans served Alaska and the nation with honor. To purposely cut these aged men off, in the twilight of their lives, goes against everything America stands for. In fact, as this cuts off not only a substantial part of their paycheck, but other benefits, such as medical, one might even say this is sort of a death panel, especially knowing that winter is coming, and heating fuel is quite expensive in Alaska.
I can’t speculate what makes Barack Obama such a heartless and cruel man. I do know that once again, Obama’s radical, communist upbringing has shown it’s self front and center. Obama must really hate America, and Americans to pull a stunt like this.
Obama should be ashamed of himself, but I fear that is an emotion he is incapable of.
What can you do?
You can call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them that this dog just don’t hunt! Tell them cutting off pay to these brave WWII veterans is inhumane and un-American. Our veterans deserve better.
You can also call Barack Obama at the White House: (202) 456-1414
Tell Obama this cannot stand. Tell Obama this will not stand!
Despicable: Barack Obama Orders Pensions Cut Off To WWII Veterans
What can you do?
You can call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them that this dog just don’t hunt! Tell them cutting off pay to these brave WWII veterans is inhumane and un-American. Our veterans deserve better.
You can also call Barack Obama at the White House: (202) 456-1414
Tell Obama this cannot stand. Tell Obama this will not stand!
Despicable: Barack Obama Orders Pensions Cut Off To WWII Veterans
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Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically productive for the United States. Try to follow along.
You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.
Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
Ready? Now pay attention.
Joe Legal:
$25..00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal:
$15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, o r $14,400.00 per year.. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $25,200.00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $25,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
Do you get it, now?
If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens...
You are part of the problem!
It's way P A S T time to take a stand for America and Americans!
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Congressional Research Agency Confirms Illegal Aliens Will Get Health Benefits Under House Bill
Last Tuesday, the Congressional Research Service (CRS), which is the non-partisan "research arm"
of the United States Congress, issued a report that concludes that illegal aliens will be able to
receive benefits under the House health care bill (H.R. 3200) through two major loopholes.
(See CRS Report and FAIR Press Release, August 26, 2009).
According to its own website, CRS is a legislative branch agency that provides Congress with
"policy and legal analysis" that is authoritative, objective and accurate. (CRS website).
The latest CRS report validates what FAIR has been saying for the past month and a half — that
illegal aliens will be able to receive taxpayer-funded health benefits under the House health
care bill. (See FAIR's Legislative Updates, July 20, 2009; July 27, 2009 and August 3, 2009).
The House bill creates an "exchange" and "all individuals," which would include illegal aliens,
are eligible to participate in the exchange. Anyone who participates in the exchange, and does
not otherwise have health insurance, can either enroll in the public option plan created by the
House bill or enroll in a private insurance plan. Accordingly, the first loophole that provides
illegal aliens with health insurance is the ability for illegal aliens to freely enroll in the
taxpayer-subsidized public option. According to CRS, "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions
on non-citizens — whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or
permanently — from participating in the Exchange." (CRS Report). Accordingly, illegal aliens can
enroll in the public option, courtesy of the American taxpayers, to meet their health insurance needs
. (See CNN.com, August 2009).
The second major loophole is the failure to require any meaningful verification procedure for
taxpayer-subsidized insurance credits. Under the House bill, individuals who buy private insurance
through the Exchange may receive an affordability credit to offset the cost of insurance. This
credit is ostensibly limited to individuals lawfully present in the U.S., but CRS (like FAIR) notes
the complete absence of any provision in the House bill that requires verification of eligibility
for the affordability credits. Without such a mechanism, there is nothing in the bill that will
prevent illegal aliens from receiving this taxpayer subsidy to buy private health insurance.
These conclusions by CRS should eliminate any remaining doubt about whether illegal aliens will
receive health benefits under the bill. As a result of this report, President Obama can no longer
characterize the concerns about the illegal alien health care loophole under the bill as
"misinformation." (See FAIR's Legislative Update, August 24, 2009 and FAIR's Health Care Podcast,
August 24, 2009). In addition, Members of Congress can no longer claim the bill prevents coverage
for illegal aliens, and the media can no longer suggest this concern is a "myth." (See FAIR's House
bill summary and Townhall.com, August 27, 2009).
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Today, if illegal aliens need health care, they go to the local Emergency Room at the local hospital.
When the hospital bills don't get paid, the costs are borne by the rest of the community in the form of higher health insurance premiums and government subsidies to the local hospital to make up the loss. So, illegals already get health care. It's been that way for many years.
Years ago, I recall seeing illegal aliens going into the mansions to clean, cook and tend the rose bushes. These were homes owned by wealthy Republicans.
Republicans have controlled the White House and Congress, too, in the recent past. Why weren't any of these problems dealt with then? Why is it only a problem now? Because a Democrat is in the White House?
I also think subjecting thousands of Americans to harm's way in Iraq based on mistaken intelligence is just as criminal as anything a President can do. So many American soldiers -- thousands -- now have missing limbs, brain damage, or are dead. All for mistaken intelligence reports used by a Republican president who was one level above a moron. And that's being gracious to him.
How despicable is that?
Frankly, I don't think the Republicans have an answer for anything, or they would have implemented their plans when they controlled Congress and the White House.
Beyond all that, I think Adventism, and other "isms", will cripple their organizations by getting too steeply involved in politics. I don't agree with a lot of what the Religious Liberty Department of the Adventist Church is doing. I don't see their activities as being particularly religious and I don't see much regard for liberty. It seems to be an Adventist agency more attuned to aligning the Adventist Church with the Republican Party, with a shallow, self-serving agenda, as you would expect with the Mormons. I think politics is a wonderful way to cripple the Adventist Church in the long run and to make it as irrelevant as the Mormons are with their organization.
Lastly, if religious denominations are going to go heavily into politics, as they are, and become little more than political action committees, they should be paying taxes, rather than hiding behind tax exemptions under the skirt of religiosity.
Imagine how much money the United States could raise if all of the cathedrals, churches, temples, meeting houses, conference offices, rectories, parsonages, monasteries, convents, and religious retreats paid their fair share of the taxes. I would vote for that.
I think the indoctrination proffered by conservative Christianity -- that Jesus was more closely related to Republican ideals than Democratic ideals -- is one of the biggest sacrileges visited upon the American people to date. I, for one, have no plans to join anything that sounds like "Seventh-day Republicans." I like what Jimmy Carter (D) has been doing with Habitat for Humanity. I favor Al Gore's (D) educational sermons about the environment, I note that Carter and Gore have both received Nobel Prizes for their efforts. In other words, I don't see Democrats as instruments of Satan.
However, I do read these comments. And, it is interesting to consider differing points of view. I would be remiss, however, if I just let them pass as though I have acquiesced to the conservative, Republican point of view.
As for nationalized health care Canada has it. I have yet to visit Canada and see all the dead Canadians lying in the streets. Nor, do I see sick Canadians streaming across the border for health care in the U.S. The Canadians are happy with their system and it works well for them. :canadian: All in all, we Americans pay much more for health care and get much less in return.
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Lastly, if religious denominations are going to go heavily into politics, as they are, and become little more than political action committees, they should be paying taxes, rather than hiding behind tax exemptions under the skirt of religiosity.
Imagine how much money the United States could raise if all of the cathedrals, churches, temples, meeting houses, conference offices, rectories, parsonages, monasteries, convents, and religious retreats paid their fair share of the taxes. I would vote for that.
:amen: :TY:
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Hmmm, I see there are a plenty of people that must feel if you are into religion that it gives you the honor of setting back and letting someone else fight and die for you and your freedom so you don't have to go to war. Somebody else can do it and because of being a conscientious objector they can die for you too.
Think how you want --and I THANK THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR MY CONTINUED FREEDOM SO FAR. SOME OF THOSE THAT GAVE THEIR ALL WILL BE IN THE GATES BEFORE THOSE THAT ONLY WORRIED FOR THEIR OWN SALVATION AND LIFE no matter what religion.
Those that protect their own self, live for self, and hide behind religion to object to the way Americans fought for freedom need to move to or stay in their own country. I am an American and watched the parades when world war 2 many uncles and fathers veterans came home. Have you forgotten that there was war in heaven, war on earth where God ordered it???
and now where is the "ONE" at right now while all this termoil is going on with the UN visitors making idiots of us while we listen to their idiot nonsense. or is it so idiot that we do not believe their agenda for us coming head on?? "Why Ob's under the haystack fast asleep" or is it on a Olympics trip for ole Chicago town where they just murdered in the streets a poor innocent straight a student who tried to help. Seems he just can't get his priority right. Maybe he should have had some sense to clean up the town first before the world saw the worst town in America. (if he had the time from playing gulf (at one of the worse times in history (Iran) or guts to do it.)
I feel GW did what he believed best for what he was told and the blame is not on all him as the Dem's voted for it too as they saw the same pictures that Americans saw of the oppression and slaughter of the people by Saddam, his sons and all. Why did they not act before on the African slaughter years before? I suppose it was OK for Bushes and the Clinton's to just let that go down? So as I see it....it was not!! Therefore at least Saddam was stopped. I am looking at humanity in suffering no matter who it was.
I do not want to hear of Jimmy Carter. I look at him as a good ole farmer that should have stayed a good ole farmer. He was not president material. He is a man that loves God I am sure but in order to be free a nation just does not keep getting slapped and slapped in the face and then tell them that Jesus loves them so they won't abuse us. If they do we are done as a nation and Obama has given the signal of his naiveness and weak abilities. These countries led by the "enemy" are hungry to devour. So far, I do not as just one opinion for myself --do not see strength in Obama of protection of the American way of John Kennedy or Reagan but to hand over eventually "all power to the beast" for the "new world order" and him being the "one world leader" he is showing all signs and gives impressions of his "great arrogance" of self proclaimed ability and dictoral lingo with the accent to go with it.
The American people are now seeing "all the talk was just talk" they are turning and looking. Lets see what happens now! Is it tooooo late??There might just be enough of us oldies that remember the constitution as it was and how it came yet knowing eventually we will all give it up to the "beast". ...and you must remember this is an Advent place to air Adventist talk...
One thing I do agree on is last statement since now with the most disgusting thing like what has been on here about how they have used the money from the pews and with proof of it ...your right. If we would have had the "fair tax" DS would have had to pay tax on all his luxury's instead of hiding most what was spent or in hidden places. That is what has some up in the air on Advent Talk. Then you have the sympathizers that protect their :horse: feed.
I am an SDA member but also a member of America and the land that was given for freedom and so yes all Christians should be good stewards of the gift of freedom and made aware of what is going on and by the way in case their seems to be some doubt in who is in control of this earths environment it is not Al Gore and his stupidness.
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Grasshopper, you are very wise. Firstly, I don't know why it does not sink in that we are already paying for the healthcare of illegals and those without medical insurance in the most costly fashion by through the emergency rooms, and state and/or dcounty subsidized programs. Not sure why we all don't understand that. It would cost much less to allow them some insurance so they can go to the Dr. for regular checkups and preventive care before becoming critical and the costs of critical care...........OR we can just let them stay sick, and depending on their illness, before they die infect to whole of thier community.......they are here now, what is it you propose that we do?
Secondly, AMEN!!! It was all those big companies who were getting all those tax breaks and concessions to make America "business friendly", what jobs they did not out source completely out of the country, they hired illegal immagrants who come into the country in their companies and as domestics in their homes...anybody but few US citizens as possible. This is why prior adminsitration could do nothing about it without offending their business friends who promised to "trickle down" the wealth, and who were now so ingrained(car companies, banks, etc) in the very fiber of the US, we had to bail them out from their own corruption to keep the country from completely failing, too keep unemployment from being 20 or even 30%. Can you imagine if just he car companies would have failed? but they were corrupt and so far gone in their corrupt ways they did even think twice about going to beg for money in three separate private jets......
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That is why you close the boarders, send them home, let them fight and stand up to their own COUNTRIES political corruption, do their own work and LET THE UNITED STATES GIVE THE MONEY TO OUR OWN POOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUR OWN FAMILYS FIRST. THAT IS HOW THIS NATION SHOULD BE AS DIRECTED FROM BEGINNING. WE HAVE GIVEN MUCH TO THE OTHER COUNTRIES BUT CANNOT COMBAT ALL THEIR EVIL AND CORRUPTION TO THE TAKING AWAY OF OUR POOR. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME FIRST. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THEY TAKE AND SEND IT BACK HOME AND WE KEEP PAYING. AND YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE POOR IN THIS COUNTRY?????? WOULD YOU FEED YOUR NEIGHBORS CHILD WHILE YOUR OWN CHILD IS STARVING? YEAH YOU MUST BE FROM CALIFORNIA! WONDER WHY THEY HAVE NO FOREFATHERS MAKING INSPIRED CONSTITUTIONS IN OTHER COUNTRIES FROM THEIR BEGINNING.??? THEY ARE A --------NATION OF RELIGION, AND THEY LIKE THE DRUGS AND THEY LIKE US TO PAY FOR IT AND DESTROY US. THEY ARE MOSTLY EVIL TO THE HILT AND THEY KNOW HOW TO ROB. IF THIS IS NOT SO WHY ALL THE PROBLEM??? WELL MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT--THE US SHOULD BE THE ONE WORLD POWER OF ALL CARE AND OBAMA THE ONE WORLD ORDER DICTATOR.
(laugh) banks and companys failed because of corruption(Acorn, Sorros, etc,etc.etc. and of course the union bosses that got their Chicago man in -are hiding where we can't find the money in their huge bailout claims :ROFL: Justifications of corruptions do bring out the most horrific, crazy theories.....
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Wonder if the Red Necks that hung what they thought was a FED worker in Kentucky because of stuff like this??
Yes their are more Red Necks then what people know of!
Subject: Montana URGENT!! Privatization of local police and sheriffs underway.....
Fred this was just posted on the forum
We are Out of Time!
Things are moving so quickly and we are out of time! The spirit of Pharaoh
has entered our land! We have found out that our little town of Hardin is
the 'test town' for President Obama’s new law to privatize the police force
of local communities. Last night, the city council voted to disband our
sheriff’s department and to bring in a private security company to police
the town.
Interestingly, earlier in the day, the mayor when asked in an interview
about the privatization of our police department completely denied it and
said that would not be done with out a council meeting. Then that evening, a
council meeting was held in regards to that very thing. At the beginning of
this month, our local prison signed an agreement with the American Police
Force which is a subsidiary of a larger private security force that the U.S.
used in the Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina.
Yesterday, a convoy of twelve 'blacked out' Mercedes Benz SUV’s were brought
into town. They were already painted with Hardin’s colors and ‘Hardin Police
Force’ was already painted on them! Hardin’s sheriff’s department will no
longer be in operation after the month of October. During October, the
Sheriff’s Department is to train this new security force in all the
logistics of running the town of Hardin. If you go on the American Police
Force site, you might notice that the logo they use is actually a Russian
logo. I have been told that the man who came with this new security force as
the captain, has a thick Russian accent.
Earlier this month, in an interview in regards to this Hardin prison and the
training center that they are planning to build, we were told that seventy
five percent of the security officers that were to be trained would be
‘international’.
This private security force is already patrolling the town. They had several
people stopped yesterday. Also, it appears that they are building some type
of heavy duty gate at the entrances of our town.
In an interview, the American Police Force security has stated that they
will stay here one month to assess the population and then they will make
their permanent base here. They said they are scouting out thirty towns in
the U.S. but that Hardin is the first. Also, President Obama has authorized
and signed a bill for full government funding of the privatization of the
police departments throughout the U.S. By the end of October, it is their
plan to have all major cities locked down!
I am also told by a reliable source that today one of the managers at a
local business in Hardin was visited by this new private security force
which is now the new Hardin Police Department. He is an avid hunter and they
came to inform him that they had a list of all fire arms that he owned; this
includes all the residents of our town, and that he would need to take his
guns down to have them put a marking device on them.
Also, today, one of the main streets in Hardin was completely blocked off
and they have been setting up information booths where they are passing out
pamphlets with information on this new H1N1 shot.
Intercessors, I am not making up any of this information! You can go on the
internet and verify most of this information from KULR 8, MSNBC or Fox news.
Call and Ask Where Private Firms can Suspend Constitutional and State Rights
Governor Brian D. Schweitzer
Office of the Governor
Montana State Capitol Bldg.
P.O. Box 200801
Helena MT 59620-0801
(406) 444-3111, FAX (406) 444-5529
Lieutenant Governor John Bohlinger
Office of the Lt. Governor
Montana State Capitol Bldg.
PO Box 200801
Helena, MT 59620-1901
(406) 444-3111, FAX (406) 444-4648
Sen. Max Baucus
(202) 224-4700
Sen. John Tester
(202) 24-8594
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message889439/pg1
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Oh Tinka, I complete agree that we probaly should have tighter border controls. Perhaps a happy medium between ours and that of Iraq, using those two examples as the extremes. It is said that it is nearly impossible to smuggle in cigars, but we can't stop the flood of people and drugs at our borders. However, would any of us be here if we had adopted your suggested policy from the beginning, being as this country as we know it was established by immigrants who just came over and took the land from the peoples they found here........while decaring the land basically unpopulated? Once again, we should probably find happy medium. BTW, just curious, Tinka, you are Native to the United States? I am, and also a rare native Californian....hehehe!
I also agree, if you re read my post that these companies were failing because oftheir own corruption. However, my point was that they were so critical to the baisc economy of the US that to allow them to fail completely would have taken the US(and a good portion of the world) with them. That is what we need to fix. You can't help that these companies are large and hire people, but at this point we do have a perfect right, having bailed them out at their request, to insist that they do business differently, clean up their corruption, etc.
That is why you close the boarders, send them home, let them fight and stand up to their own COUNTRIES political corruption, do their own work and LET THE UNITED STATES GIVE THE MONEY TO OUR OWN POOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUR OWN FAMILYS FIRST. THAT IS HOW THIS NATION SHOULD BE AS DIRECTED FROM BEGINNING. WE HAVE GIVEN MUCH TO THE OTHER COUNTRIES BUT CANNOT COMBAT ALL THEIR EVIL AND CORRUPTION TO THE TAKING AWAY OF OUR POOR. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME FIRST. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THEY TAKE AND SEND IT BACK HOME AND WE KEEP PAYING. AND YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE POOR IN THIS COUNTRY?????? WOULD YOU FEED YOUR NEIGHBORS CHILD WHILE YOUR OWN CHILD IS STARVING? YEAH YOU MUST BE FROM CALIFORNIA! WONDER WHY THEY HAVE NO FOREFATHERS MAKING INSPIRED CONSTITUTIONS IN OTHER COUNTRIES FROM THEIR BEGINNING.??? THEY ARE A --------NATION OF RELIGION, AND THEY LIKE THE DRUGS AND THEY LIKE US TO PAY FOR IT AND DESTROY US. THEY ARE MOSTLY EVIL TO THE HILT AND THEY KNOW HOW TO ROB. IF THIS IS NOT SO WHY ALL THE PROBLEM??? WELL MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT--THE US SHOULD BE THE ONE WORLD POWER OF ALL CARE AND OBAMA THE ONE WORLD ORDER DICTATOR.
(laugh) banks and companys failed because of corruption(Acorn, Sorros, etc,etc.etc. and of course the union bosses that got their Chicago man in -are hiding where we can't find the money in their huge bailout claims :ROFL: Justifications of corruptions do bring out the most horrific, crazy theories.....
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Maybe all was not right in the beginning of our country but God led the people to a new land and provided his inspiration of how it should be established with the forefathers that believed and in God they Trusted.
My back ground is Slovenian and , but born here in the North. My back ground is strictly clannish for family, hard working and very patriotic for this country because I know the role it played Biblical. My mother was American Indian and English. It was very hard for the settlers coming over from across but they did what they had to become legal citizens and that should be the rules for everyone.
My husbands ancestors or family goes clear back to Italy where the Hebrew were dispersed at the scattering. It shows his family records in Historical place here in US. He is a wonderful man, also served in military, wonderful father, and quite good looking yet(smile). Of course I take care of him (laugh). I am lucky to have him. Looking forward to eternity with no jealous bones in my body. I have it all (smile) except what the political agenda of government took away what he worked for his whole life and me too as I worked by his side. It was millions! Our family is devestated but we have each other and trying to encourage our children to keep going all though the big business is corrupted I think now beyond repair. we have been on the inside of all and know the outcome of most agendas. We hope the Lord comes soon to stop all oppression and suffering.
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Here is the problem, we as Christians must look at all humanity as Gods special and chosen. whether someone is Mexican or Japanese or Black or White they are all God's creation. The reason I started by saying "here is the problem" is because some Christians don't seem to understand their God given mandate to the human race. They fail to realize that none of what man is given is his, he is born by Gods grace into his or her lot in life. God is the one in control here and what seems perfectly reasonable or exceptable to the reasoning of man is not always the case. We must love and care for and provide for people and leave all else in the hands of God.
In my travels the most important thing that I have learned is
(to be thankful for what I have) and secondly is to realize (I am not more worthey than others). Now more than ever I see the world in its entirety and in the prism of God being in control of everything and having the last word. I don't believe that man is in control of the ultimate outcome. It is for this reason that I believe in compassion and love and self denial are the precursor's for the true Christian.--------I have the fortunate privilege of traveling to Kenya this December 15-29 and I will look to see if Obama has a birth certificate there (just kidding about the birth certificate). But I am reminded as I travel to countries with high aids and poverty just how fortunate I am and how blessed and unworthy. I say that to say, how noble of a country that they should be sought after and that many people should want to come here. Never will this country suffer for taking care of those whether here legally or not, because God's blessing will be on them. Those people that are so tied up in the rhetoric of hate will find in the final analysis that the hate they have perpetrated will in the end come back on them.
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Aaaaahhhh the Animal Farm premise that "All are created equal, but some are more equal than others". LOL!!!!
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I think we are seeing a misapplication of the "all are God's children" and "all are equal" concepts. A country is not a religion, nor is it humanity at large. It is more like a family with a house. Do you feel that it would be appropriate for anyone who wants to, to be able to enter your house and require you to give them everything you give your own family? If a poorer person than yourself were to break into your homes, would you then give them their meals, their education, pay for their healthcare, and give them room and board for the rest of their lives? No? Why not? Are you more equal than them? Do you and your family deserve your house and earnings more than they do? Aren't they God's children too?
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Thats my thought on the illegal immigration thing anyway. When it comes to providing for the rest of the world, we can always dismatle the engine that feeds us alot, and gives them a little in order to give them alot right now, then we can all be equal in poverty. This country is rich because of ingenuity and desire to be wealthy, and mostly because of the freedom to pursue it and keep it... not because of lofty ideals or nebulous blessings. Remove any of those factors and the whole thing crumbles.
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George,
Thanks for your response, however it is my belief that your response is exactly why we are still as Christians here on earth. Fortunately for this great country there are those that do not think like that. All over the world there are people who have been blessed that have taken that blessing and tried to distribute it the those less fortunate and less blessed. Actually, the scenario you started with is exactly what we did to God, and yet he gave all he had even his life. From a human standpoint and from human reckoning we would all horde what we had gained though (our) ingenuity and intelligence. -----Obviously, we are not talking about the extreme you used to substantiate your position. The actual reality is that the vast majority of Mexican human beings, God's creation, work extremely hard even more than you or I. We are talking about the work of God caring for the sick, no matter who they are. The Good Samaritan was a perfect example of one that gave because of love for humanity asking nothing in return. I cannot see any rational reason why any (Christian) would want to keep someone from medical care it just does not make sense. It is disheartening to hear supposed Christian talking about what is theirs and about their ingenuity etc... We cannot operate on the same principles as the world. Jesus showed with the fish and loaf how the acts of kindness do not work on mans limited power.
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George,
I just want to ask you straight foreward, do you believe that Mexican illegal immigrants should be denied medical treatment?
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Seems to me George that after the fall and sin All are doomed, sinners, and lost unless they come by the rules of truth, and honesty by the way of the Holy Spirit, the Son and can live according. Our ONLY responsibility is to share the good news for those that except. Satan has always used the sympathy theory to down the followers of Jesus because we are human. It is Satan's way of distributing away to another and fall to deceivement. (Ya know sort of sending all the crying for money to DS before being deceived.) We are our brothers keeper, but our brother is to be evenly yoked and brother in biblical means Christians. But there is priority of funds as it was in biblical days.
An example is if a child and mother were the only ones involved and if the mother starved herself to death to feed the child they would both die because no one would be there to take care of the child. So we are told to be reasonable in all things.
First of all--All humanity is lost if they do not come on their own to God. The US cannot save the world and every countrys' people. The US is this strong because they fought against on how other countries cannot support their own people. In their weakness they look and take or rob the ones that prevailed.
There are those that believe what you just saw posted and they are already seared to the hilt of "One should not have more then another"
and a true Christians know better then that. This type of person is indoctrinated from another culture or just plain racist hiding behind an agenda to help bring down what this land was built on and I've known for sometime now this harassment specifically for this purpose of nasty posting. So far I have read nothing sane coming from closed minded and distorted belief.
When you spread the wealth is only helps the robbers do more robbing. It will only finish taking their soul. They never learned, heard or been taught self help, independence in work thinking or ability to manage. Just get it however you can. (hmmm, like OBAMA did)!! IT IS UP TO INDIVIDULALISM TO HELP THE POOR. WE WILL NOT BE JUDGED AS A NATION ON TAKING AWAY FROM OUR PEOPLE TO GIVE TO ANOTHER. IT USUALLY IS POLITICALLY REASONED. We have organizations that do help our own that is voted to do so. but now they plan to force us into oblivion. What is so crazy is that on top of that we will be taxed even more for doing it.
Guess BO's ploy for games in Crime Town cost about $1,000,000 blew out in the jet stream!! He could have saved it and called me!! I knew the outcome as it was not hard to judge but him and ol Opry who I used to love to watch and MO had a nice vacation didn't they!! :cat: Oh and she had another cartoon dress on that was highly laughable. In fact I alway look now when I hear she is on as my curiosity and funny bone looks for the next creation of the MO dress. The gold one last time --was that supposed to represent a rooster's tail out the back. :ROFL: ?? Then in the next shot it appeared they took it off. I think the ones taking the shot really were shocked as they seemed to catch it at the right funny angle. I just burst out laughing.
Believe me, I could have made her look a lot better, as in my day I have created and designed wedding, dresses and etc, custom drapes in some pretty high class homes and offices, wedding cakes and sort of have a taste for refined, conservative and elegant look. I could have done it for a lot less money,and made her actually look good but then again I blame it on her own taste of dress. and that says a lot for a person like that. I would not be caught looking like that for no money. :ROFL: :ROFL: I'll be glad when this fisaco is over and it is coming....
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Christian, I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, in principle. I have no issue with giving, helping, providing... I have spent alot of time in the poorer parts of Mexico and have lived in thatched huts in the middle of the jungle on a couple of continents. With my own eyes I have watched good people die because they didn't have proper care. I have also seen excellent care brought in by good people who were willing to put out their money, time, and other resources, and seen many lives saved. I have also seen good providers of free healthcare and education cease from existing after they and their patrons were nationalized in the mass hysteria of "socialist revolutions" that resulted in curtailing of services to the people. Yes, it may be a Christian duty, but we do not live in a theocracy where the prevailing religion has a right to impose its principles on everyone through government regulation and taxation. There are good organizations out there providing healthcare, education, food, clothing, and more. These organizations largely survive on donations given freely and without the force of government requiring it. The donors get tax deductible reciepts as the original intent of the 501-c3 allows. There are other religious organizations who are nothing more than a religious business sucking taxes out of the system and tax payers, and providing insignificant or no charitable services. These, in my opinion, should be required to pay taxes just like any other business, and certainly not be able to issue tax dedutible reciepts. In short, I believe that charitable giving should be up to the individual and not forced by the government.
Check out Ryan's Wells sometime. An excellent example of how much more effective even a child can be at helping people and making money provide more service than any government can do.
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Christian, I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, in principle. I have no issue with giving, helping, providing... I have spent allot of time in the poorer parts of Mexico and have lived in thatched huts in the middle of the jungle on a couple of continents. With my own eyes I have watched good people die because they didn't have proper care. I have also seen excellent care brought in by good people who were willing to put out their money, time, and other resources, and seen many lives saved. I have also seen good providers of free healthcare and education cease from existing after they and their patrons were nationalized in the mass hysteria of "socialist revolutions" that resulted in curtailing of services to the people. Yes, it may be a Christian duty, but we do not live in a theocracy where the prevailing religion has a right to impose its principles on everyone through government regulation and taxation. There are good organizations out there providing healthcare, education, food, clothing, and more. These organizations largely survive on donations given freely and without the force of government requiring it. The donors get tax deductible reciepts as the original intent of the 501-c3 allows. There are other religious organizations who are nothing more than a religious business sucking taxes out of the system and tax payers, and providing insignificant or no charitable services. These, in my opinion, should be required to pay taxes just like any other business, and certainly not be able to issue tax dedutible reciepts. In short, I believe that charitable giving should be up to the individual and not forced by the government.
Check out Ryan's Wells sometime. An excellent example of how much more effective even a child can be at helping people and making money provide more service than any government can do.
Then I take it we should not deny medical care to illegal immigrants, is that what you are saying? George, some of what you say makes common logic sense, but the Christian must operate on a different plain. The bible is full of things that take faith and trust in God from the death of Christ to the 4 sided cube city that is coming down from out of space, all these things are of a supernatural nature. If I operated out of the laws of physics and the like then I would have to conclude that 2-1=1 but then Gods ways do not operate on those laws. People like Abraham (would sacrifice his son) and others like Gideon would have to operate on the principles of Gods love, void of rational human understanding. So you see when it comes to doing good to all men, then individualness and the greed that comes from ownership must be put aside so that the will of God can go foreward. Christianity must supersede nationalism that the works of God can go foreward. It would seem that we are losing something by caring for the poor and less fortunate and even the sinner and law breaker when in reality we are gaining if it is for the cause of God.
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I'm telling ya George,
It's intentional flaky nonsense from outer limits of no return! Poor soul! It's a twister effect everytime. and I might add no common sense. It is also exactly what we are dealing with in the east and also the filtration from with in. Nothing is rational or reasonable!! No Comprehension of reason or American tactics. Ignoring is the best policy according to EGW. Jesus ignored the crowd before Crucifixion. But then if your not from US you may not have the same passion as we who are in the order of American way! It was based in the beginning on inspired principles and of course you can see the vivid attacts mounting to destroy it as evident on these posts and all new political agenda's that the devil has prepared way ahead of our deceived and naive scope.
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Christian, I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, in principle. I have no issue with giving, helping, providing... I have spent allot of time in the poorer parts of Mexico and have lived in thatched huts in the middle of the jungle on a couple of continents. With my own eyes I have watched good people die because they didn't have proper care. I have also seen excellent care brought in by good people who were willing to put out their money, time, and other resources, and seen many lives saved. I have also seen good providers of free healthcare and education cease from existing after they and their patrons were nationalized in the mass hysteria of "socialist revolutions" that resulted in curtailing of services to the people. Yes, it may be a Christian duty, but we do not live in a theocracy where the prevailing religion has a right to impose its principles on everyone through government regulation and taxation. There are good organizations out there providing healthcare, education, food, clothing, and more. These organizations largely survive on donations given freely and without the force of government requiring it. The donors get tax deductible reciepts as the original intent of the 501-c3 allows. There are other religious organizations who are nothing more than a religious business sucking taxes out of the system and tax payers, and providing insignificant or no charitable services. These, in my opinion, should be required to pay taxes just like any other business, and certainly not be able to issue tax dedutible reciepts. In short, I believe that charitable giving should be up to the individual and not forced by the government.
Check out Ryan's Wells sometime. An excellent example of how much more effective even a child can be at helping people and making money provide more service than any government can do.
Then I take it we should not deny medical care to illegal immigrants, is that what you are saying? George, some of what you say makes common logic sense, but the Christian must operate on a different plain. The bible is full of things that take faith and trust in God from the death of Christ to the 4 sided cube city that is coming down from out of space, all these things are of a supernatural nature. If I operated out of the laws of physics and the like then I would have to conclude that 2-1=1 but then Gods ways do not operate on those laws. People like Abraham (would sacrifice his son) and others like Gideon would have to operate on the principles of Gods love, void of rational human understanding. So you see when it comes to doing good to all men, then individualness and the greed that comes from ownership must be put aside so that the will of God can go foreward. Christianity must supersede nationalism that the works of God can go foreward. It would seem that we are losing something by caring for the poor and less fortunate and even the sinner and law breaker when in reality we are gaining if it is for the cause of God.
Then superced the nation, and as a Christian go out and provide. That is what I am saying. There are too many people who want the government to do this and that "because it is the Christian thing to do." The government is not a Christian, nor is it a church or any other form of religious institution. If Christians want something done as a matter of religious principle, then they should take it upon themselves to do it individually, or through the Christian organizations. The government tends to be the ultimate copout when people want something to be done, but will will not take the gumption to go out and do it. I agree that Christians should operate on a different plain, but that means operating. It does not mean finding a surrogate, such as the government, to operate instead.
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George,
There is not a better way to state this truth.
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Christian, I don't disagree with much of what you are saying, in principle. I have no issue with giving, helping, providing... I have spent allot of time in the poorer parts of Mexico and have lived in thatched huts in the middle of the jungle on a couple of continents. With my own eyes I have watched good people die because they didn't have proper care. I have also seen excellent care brought in by good people who were willing to put out their money, time, and other resources, and seen many lives saved. I have also seen good providers of free healthcare and education cease from existing after they and their patrons were nationalized in the mass hysteria of "socialist revolutions" that resulted in curtailing of services to the people. Yes, it may be a Christian duty, but we do not live in a theocracy where the prevailing religion has a right to impose its principles on everyone through government regulation and taxation. There are good organizations out there providing healthcare, education, food, clothing, and more. These organizations largely survive on donations given freely and without the force of government requiring it. The donors get tax deductible reciepts as the original intent of the 501-c3 allows. There are other religious organizations who are nothing more than a religious business sucking taxes out of the system and tax payers, and providing insignificant or no charitable services. These, in my opinion, should be required to pay taxes just like any other business, and certainly not be able to issue tax dedutible reciepts. In short, I believe that charitable giving should be up to the individual and not forced by the government.
Check out Ryan's Wells sometime. An excellent example of how much more effective even a child can be at helping people and making money provide more service than any government can do.
Then I take it we should not deny medical care to illegal immigrants, is that what you are saying? George, some of what you say makes common logic sense, but the Christian must operate on a different plain. The bible is full of things that take faith and trust in God from the death of Christ to the 4 sided cube city that is coming down from out of space, all these things are of a supernatural nature. If I operated out of the laws of physics and the like then I would have to conclude that 2-1=1 but then Gods ways do not operate on those laws. People like Abraham (would sacrifice his son) and others like Gideon would have to operate on the principles of Gods love, void of rational human understanding. So you see when it comes to doing good to all men, then individualness and the greed that comes from ownership must be put aside so that the will of God can go foreward. Christianity must supersede nationalism that the works of God can go foreward. It would seem that we are losing something by caring for the poor and less fortunate and even the sinner and law breaker when in reality we are gaining if it is for the cause of God.
Then superced the nation, and as a Christian go out and provide. That is what I am saying. There are too many people who want the government to do this and that "because it is the Christian thing to do." The government is not a Christian, nor is it a church or any other form of religious institution. If Christians want something done as a matter of religious principle, then they should take it upon themselves to do it individually, or through the Christian organizations. The government tends to be the ultimate copout when people want something to be done, but will will not take the gumption to go out and do it. I agree that Christians should operate on a different plain, but that means operating. It does not mean finding a surrogate, such as the government, to operate instead.
George,
Let me see if I can read you correctly, So you have no problem with helping the poor so long as it is not the Government? So tell me which side of your mouth is talking the Christian side or the worldly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people and especially the Christian wanting the government to take an active part in caring for the sick and less fortunate. It is the Christians tax dollars as well as the non Christian. We have no choice when it comes to the billions of dollars spent on nuclear and chemical warfare design to snuff out lives, and yet there is very little protest over that. And to somehow imply that those wanting the government to help the poor are looking for a surrogate is less than genuine. We can always find or create scenarios to fit our thinking or reasoning but the end conclusion is still the same SELFISHNESS. There is no reason for the Christian to take up the cause to deny anyone health care except that there hearts are cold. The Christians duty is to represent Christ in showing compassion to those less fortunate but more worthey than themselves. I still cannot fathom why you or any Christian would be oppose to anyone helping the poor and less fortunate. What difference does it make who relieves suffering and shows Christian kindness, Government or State or Church. You seem oblivious to the billions of dollars spent on weapons design to cripple maim and kill and yet more is spent on these things than the combination of all the aid given to help and perserve life; you are definitely as a Christian on the wrong side of the argument.
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No you don't read me correctly. I am not advocating nuclear or chemical weapons, or warfare as a matter of Christian principle that the goverment should enforce, and I will differ strongly with anyone who does. I have seen nothing Jesus ever said advocating the use of government authority to enforce his will on anyone, even for benign purposes. On the other hand he and the apostles encouraged his followers, very successfully, to care for others themselves and pool their resources in the church to provide for the needy. I have no problem with a person wanting the government to help take care of people on the basis of their own care, data, or political persuasion, but when a person or group has so little substance that they sink to attempting to use people's spirituality to manipulate them politically, they lose my respect for their position entirely. The "Christian Right" has been using that as a means of directing political traffic for a long time, and they make me sick. I find it equally despicable regardless which side it comes from. The tired old "You are less Christian than me if you disagree with my politics, ideas, wishes, etc" removes any respect I might have had for a person's position. Yes, unlike many of my right leaning friends (and some left leaning friends who also use spirituality to manipulate) I believe that spirituality and government should never mix, and under no circumstances should religion be used to move politics. You have your spiritual beliefs that you hold to as strongly as people who believe that the military might of the USA is God given and should be used to enforce their perverted version of Christianity on the world. Both are terribly dangerous and in principle are fundamentally the same in their desire to use government authority to establish and enforce the utopia of their choice. When one has data, ideas, points to make that are fact or desire driven, outside of attempts at spiritual manipulation, I listen, appreciate, and and am sometimes moved to change my thoughts politically.
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George,
Sorry if I seem condescending I don't mean to be I was just stress my opinion. Actually, I definitely agree with you about mixing religion with politics. However, I know of some close friends who have been destroyed financially because of lack of health coverage. I am fortunate to have free coverage being a veteran, even though now we have to pay a certain amount if we work. My sister in-law suffered from a heart attack and financially, she owns her own business, she was destroyed and the medicines cost thousands. So this issue is personal with me (no ill against you) you really seem like a good guy.
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Force is from the devil and Choice is from God in all things creational and political. But very very sadly George It will be the downfall or what we expect will happen in the end by the complete "force" of the final religious persecution. It is obvious the separation of which side one can be on without any doubt. That is truth you speak at any expense.
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Hmmm,
In the beginning Church and then governent finished, took and destroyed all for us too. Our folks went to their grave in debt because of having to buy medicine and put it on credit cards that I discovered later while faithful and still gave tithe to church and "regretable offerings" to 3abn . But that does not give us the right to "force others to pay" for our individual needs. The only thing we have now is having "faith that God will care for us each day" as we think we are hanging by a thread. So far we are warm now and had a garden again to be sustained.
But Jesus never had his own bed either.
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George,
Sorry if I seem condescending I don't mean to be I was just stress my opinion. Actually, I definitely agree with you about mixing religion with politics. However, I know of some close friends who have been destroyed financially because of lack of health coverage. I am fortunate to have free coverage being a veteran, even though now we have to pay a certain amount if we work. My sister in-law suffered from a heart attack and financially, she owns her own business, she was destroyed and the medicines cost thousands. So this issue is personal with me (no ill against you) you really seem like a good guy.
That I can understand. IMO, forcing people to purchase health insurance without putting caps on premiums, taxing existing premiums up to 40%, fining people who are unable to afford insurance, and jailing them if they can't pay the fine, is not healthcare reform. This is what all of the current plans call for. In my opinion caps should be put on premiums, insurance should open for purchase anywhere in the USA or overseas, pharmaceuticals should be open for purchase from anywhere in the world, community clinics operated by Nurse Practitioners and Physician's Assistants should be given tax breaks and subsidies, "charitable" organizations that do not provide significant charitable services should be stripped of their tax exempt status, schools should teach the realities of life in other parts of the world, children and schools should be encouraged to launch and participate in meaningful charitable activities, military transportation should be made available for NGO transport in charitable operations... I could go on and on.
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So sorry about your sister-in-law. I hope she is recovering ok. I know that can be very hard, especially if there are kids. Is she able to start doing business again yet?
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Well thought out, George.
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I think Christian and I are establishing a good conversation here. I am interested in hearing your thoughts on how healthcare can be reformed in a meaningful and effective way, Christian.
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I can only speak for the Australian model. There is a public health care system to which any citizen or permanent resident can have access,
free of charge. That is not means tested. The system is supposedly funded by a tax levy of about 1.5% on all tax payers, although it does cost
more than that.
In addition to that, anyone has the option of taking out private insurance. Higher income earners who do not have private hospital insurance
face an additional Medicare levy.
For emergency situations, the system in general works very well. For elective surgery waiting lists can be quite long in the public system.
There is a Prescription benefit systerm which subsidises the cost of prescription medicine, most heavily for those on welfare and limited incomes.
There are also a couple of safety net systems which give added payments if families or individuals are out of pocket more than a given amount in
any one year.
Obviously not perfect but at least we are not going through all the angst inspired by the current US options.
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Most countries in Europe have a system that is somewhat similar. I just had two cataracts removed and now I see again as clearly as not for many years. Our government health system funded by taxes paid for most of is, but I had to pay about 100 US$ myself. A good portion of this I will get refunded as a senior citizen - and because is is close to the end of the year.
We have no illegal aliens because the citizens of most neighboring countries can travel freely and settle permanently if they want to. If they take residence they are covered as well. This is not true of US citizens because the US does not care for us if we travel to the USA. Private hospitals are coming, and they will be mostly for Americans who come here and can receive the best treatment here for much less than it would cost in USA, even counting the air travel back and forth.
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Interesting. What are your thoughts on the current plans by our president and the congress to enforce mandatory purchase of insurance by all Americans with fines and possible jail time for those who can't afford it, without putting caps on the premiums, allowing competition between states, or allowing purchase of pharmaceuticals from Canada or other countries?
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George, from what I am hearing, the President's plan sounds a lot like what Johann and Emma are describing. Notice there is still the option to keep your own private insurance. To my knowledge the President always plainly siad that if you already have private insurance and like it, you can keep it. the other options were for those who were not as forunate. Why are there people acting as if everyone will have to be on the public plan? I am not quite sure why everyone over looks that. Also, why we don't believe it will not cost us money, it will, but mostly the same money we are payin on emergency or advanced care state by state, for those who don't have insurance for whatever reason. I am also not quite sure why we don't see that supplying the opportunity to go tothe Dr. before you need to go to emergency is a lot cheaper that advanced meds, surgeries, and ICU. So elective surgery takes a lot longer to get. At least EVERYONE will know when they won't die because they could not get the adequate health care.
Plus, I have been thinking where we, as christians, have gotten so far off the path. that we don't believe that being a chirstians also means having a sense of community. Think the Early Church. Everyone got what they needed, I believe that laso maent medical care....such as it was, not just food and clothing. Those believers were a community. When did we get so scared or selfish that we don't want anyone to get anything when WE believe them undeserving?
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No, it sounds nothing like the plans from Australia and Europe. Johann and Emma, Do they mandate that you have to buy health insurance, either from the government or from a private insurance company, or be fined and possibly jailed if you if you can't afford to buy it, in Europe and Australia?
All my life I have had to deal with people on the far right trying to use the "you are less Christian then me if you don't agree with my politics" thing. I consider that to be a form of manipulation and don't respond well to it at all. Facts, feelings, political affiliation... these I can understand and deal with, but I detest the use of spiritual manipulation in politics used by the "religious right" and I destest it with equal fervour when it comes from any other side.
You speak of the early church. That was the church. Not the government. IMO, one of the most dangerous things one can do is to try mixing the two, or manipulation of people's spirituality to drive politics.
Princess, if you read back on the previous page you will see that I am very much for healthcare reform and care for everyone. But not in a way that cheats by saying that healthcare for everyone has been enacted when all it is, is mandated purchase of something very expensive without even putting a cap on how much can be charged. I consider it to be a short-term thing that will simply bankrupt lots of people who are already living hand-to-mouth.
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Right on George,
Then if you are really bad sick you will be taxed and charged more. It was all explained last night according to part of the bill.
Also I noticed that Emma states that higher income people can also take out more Private insurance. Right there is the key! Why would they have to other then they may be first place in line for more and added care??? not sure about that. It is true what George says but... its worse then that as we learn just bits and pieces of the secret bill that seeps in here and there. The sole purpose is to break America within and what else is planned is shriveling. Some of us do know the outcome.
You know this is quite an experience to go through. Most people just live day by day and do not make the effort one way or the other to see what is coming down or even care because tomorrow the sun comes up and another day to make it.
I totally realize this is the fate also when Jesus comes. The excuse will be...I did not know of this.. but the effort was not to find out either. Look for the details in finer print. That is what Ellen was inspired to write and Jesus knew we needed this. For sure we were not as knowledgeable as Adam and Eve and they still failed.
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One also has to wonder why congress refuses to let their own members and the general public see the legislation they are voting on... What are they hiding? What do they fear if they act with transparency? This is one reason why I strongly opposed the Patriot Act and consider it the poster child for "how not to legislate." Also, the stimulus package that went back on one of the insurance reform ideas. It was done quickly and in secret so no one would know that a bunch of pork had been slipped in at the 11th hour for huge bonunses to AIG executives. The dems proved that they were no different than the Repubs.
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"Disturbing Echoes From Our Socialist Past"
By Ron Ewart, President
National Association of Rural Landowners
and nationally recognized author on freedom and property rights issues
© Copyright October 14, 2009 - All Rights Reserved
And you think that Obama invented socialist/Marxist policies in America. Hardly! Seventy six years ago, another socialist/Marxist/dictator (FDR) took control of the reins of political power in the United States, as the alleged savior of the people who were being torn asunder by one of the many emergencies (the Great Depression) Americans have had to face since they declared their freedom from an arrogant British King ..... emergencies that are in large part, created by government itself. Instead of letting a free country save itself by the actions of free people using free choice, ingenuity, creativity, productivity, low taxes and regulation and a government limited by our constitution, those in Government saw a quick way to make the American people dependent on government and thereby getting them to vote for those who "saved" them. Or put another way, "buying their vote" with money from the public treasury, money that the government has a fiduciary responsibility to religiously protect and spend wisely, in strict compliance with the explicit instructions contained in the Supreme Law of the Land.
Describing what FDR did TO America would take volumes and many volumes have already been written covering those events. FDR almost single handedly took America from a free, wealthy, hard-working and prosperous nation and converted it into a welfare state during his three plus terms as President. After starting his unprecedented fourth term, he said this on a cold January day in 1944, after his re-election:
"This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain unalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty. As our Nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness. We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. (He should know) In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all… Among these new rights are “The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries, or shops or farms or mines of the Nation; The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living; The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad; The right of every family to a decent home; The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health; The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; The right to a good education.”
It is unbelievable that any President who swears on solemn oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States as written, would utter such words. His oath, nor his power as President, did not give him the authority to re-write the Constitution, as he apparently was attempting to do with this speech.
We would like to address one event that took place in 1937, the year this author was born. As part and parcel of FDR's continuing New Deal programs in the 1930's, the U. S. Housing Act, passed in 1937, provided housing assistance for low income families and individuals. It was codified into the United States Code as Title 42, Chapter 8, Section 1437f. It became known as Section 8 Housing Assistance and is currently administered by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). The program is now known as the "Housing Choice Voucher Program". Still a "skunk" by any other name.
Today, the Federal Government is spending over $20 Billion per year on Section 8 housing alone, assisting over 2,000,000 households, or around 8,000,000 to 10,000,000 people ..... people who no doubt will vote for those providing the assistance.
From an article published in the Policy Archives on-line magazine in August of 2005, the following statements were made about Section 8 Housing: "Over the past several years, the program has come under fire for its rising cost. (surprise! surprise!) From 2001 to 2005, the cost of the program has increased by over 34%, although the number of people served has remained roughly the same. These cost increases can be attributed to a number of factors, not the least of which is the structure of the benefit. The value of a voucher is calculated as roughly the difference between rents in a community and 30% of participating households' incomes. In recent years, rents have been rising faster than incomes, which, along with federal policy changes designed to expand household choice and deconcentrate poverty, has driven up the cost of a voucher and therefore the cost of the program. In FY2005, the overall Section 8 program, at more than $20 billion, accounted for over half of the entire budget of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). The voucher component alone constituted more than a third of HUD's budget. In order to provide that funding level while remaining within discretionary budget caps, congressional appropriators enacted funding cuts to almost all other HUD housing programs."
On further investigation we found that 50% of the recipients of Section 8 Housing were single, 44% were single with children and married couples with children hardly registered on the graph. Could it be that government housing subsistence replaced fathers?
But what illustrates the true nature of Section 8 housing occurred recently in an e-rumor about one Sharon Jasper who was shown in her Section 8 home, above. Please note the furniture, flowers, hardwood floors and one very large flat-screen TV. Now that is real poverty! A tough life if there ever was one.
Like so many rumors, there is an element of truth in them. Purportedly, Sharon has spent 57 of her 58 years living in Section 8 housing for all but 1 of her 58 years. Apparently, it was a legacy passed down from her parents who moved into Section 8 housing in 1949 when Sharon was just six months old. Sharon has even passed the legacy down to her children (where is the father?) but fears they may have to get jobs to pay for the utilities and deposits. God forbid! She laments about that one year she spent out of public housing. "I tried it for a year", Sharon said, "you know, working and all. It's not anything I would want to go through again, or wish on anyone in my family, but I am damn proud of that year." Damn proud? Really!
Section 8 housing is Sharon's "free" gift from the working people of America. No doubt Sharon is receiving food stamps as well. She believes she deserves every bit of it and that it is her right. The big question still remains, under a Constitutional Republic is free housing to others a right, when the cost of the free housing must be extracted from others with the force of law (taxes), rather than through voluntary charity?
Whether the e-rumor is true or not, millions of people like Sharon are the victims of generational dependency on federal, state and local government handouts, all paid for by the producing members of a wealthy America. Subsistence for housing, food, college, SSI, health care, transportation, etc. are paid out or handed out to low income families and individuals by the millions. But instead of it being a helping hand up to a productive life, much of this largess has become a life unto itself.
Although it is a deep injustice that so much of our tax money has been spent (or is it wasted) in this manner, the deeper tragedy is the outright destruction of human lives who have found it easier to live off the sweat and hard work of others (that's you and me) rather than being proud of their independence, responsibility and self-reliance, had they taken the truly American path of hard work and receiving a pay check for the work they do, or the elation that comes from achieving a worthwhile goal they have sought, or receiving an honest reward for a job well done ..... but not a Nobel Peace Prize for achieving nothing.
Now, our current government, instead of letting a free country save itself by the actions of free people using free choice, ingenuity, creativity, productivity, low taxes, less regulation and a government limited by our constitution, those in Government are using the same quick way employed in the 1930's to make the American people dependent on government and thereby getting them to vote for those who "saved" them. Or put another way, "buying their vote" with money from the public treasury. Money that the government doesn't own.
Unfortunately, 2009 is a far cry from 1933 in terms of the exponentially exploding costs of socialist promises made by government in the last 76 years, who did not have, nor do they have now, constitutional authority to do what they are doing. With unfunded liabilities of well over $100 Trillion dollars (that's Trillion with a CAPITAL "T"), adding more socialist programs onto the rising annual deficit ($1.4 Trillion) and national debt (over $12 Trillion) is not only unconscionable and insane, it is treason by any other name.
As the number of Sharon's of this nation grow larger as a result of grossly negligent government premeditated socialist policies, those who must pay for the Sharon's of America will have to dig deeper and deeper into their pockets. One wonders at what point will those who must pay, cry out "enough is enough" and either hide what they earn, cheat, or join Sharon and the millions of other Sharon's, in a life of generational dependency, paid for by those hard-working Americans who haven't seen the "light" yet?
One other question remains and that is how much damage can Obama do to America, before he and his co-conspirators in Congress are replaced by voters who are hopefully, getting wiser by the minute?
Ron Ewart, President
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF RURAL LANDOWNERS
P. O. Box 1031, Issaquah, WA 98027
425 222-4742 or 1 800 682-7848
(Fax No. 425 222-4743)
Website: www.narlo.org
Check out NARLO's "Letters to Congress" campaign
at www.narlo.org/letters.html
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George,
I understand that you and many others are for healthcare for all, and that we just all differ in ideas on how to get there. Ok, so someone cannot afford to "buy" healthcare, isn't that where the public option(governemnt funded) comes in? I might be missing something, but what I see is the existing healthcare industry not wanting the competition. They are now guilty of ALL the things for which they are campaigning to make people afriad of in a government option(death panels, etc.).. Once again, we still are and would be paying for these uninsured folks on a state level through programs, like Medical(in CA), etc. What is the difference? Your state or federal taxes are paying for the healthcare for those don't have insurance. I am not understanding the difference here.
I am not sure it is a bad thing to require that everyone have some kind of healthcare insurance, an then provdiding several options to make it possible? Imagine the fall out of those with H1N1(andother such extremely contagious diseases) who could not get any treatment, still out there in the world spreading that super pandemic porportions............just a bit scary. IOW, if everyone had access to at least basic healthcare, we could significantly dminish the epidemic (even pandemic)threat. This is also, at some point, a public health issue, schools, workplace, churches, etc.)
My comments about the Early church were directed at christians who hold the opinion that there are people who are unworthy or such a basic right to decent health and healthcare. The early church was portaying something new and different, in that the world felt as they do today.....only those who can afford to pay should have health insurance(or any other baisc right), however, they were a community where ALL had what they needed not based on what they could contribute. So I am not expecting the mindset of the early church grom government, but I don't believe it unreasonable to expect it from those who claim to follow Christ.
No, it sounds nothing like the plans from Australia and Europe. Johann and Emma, Do they mandate that you have to buy health insurance, either from the government or from a private insurance company, or be fined and possibly jailed if you if you can't afford to buy it, in Europe and Australia?
All my life I have had to deal with people on the far right trying to use the "you are less Christian then me if you don't agree with my politics" thing. I consider that to be a form of manipulation and don't respond well to it at all. Facts, feelings, political affiliation... these I can understand and deal with, but I detest the use of spiritual manipulation in politics used by the "religious right" and I destest it with equal fervour when it comes from any other side.
You speak of the early church. That was the church. Not the government. IMO, one of the most dangerous things one can do is to try mixing the two, or manipulation of people's spirituality to drive politics.
Princess, if you read back on the previous page you will see that I am very much for healthcare reform and care for everyone. But not in a way that cheats by saying that healthcare for everyone has been enacted when all it is, is mandated purchase of something very expensive without even putting a cap on how much can be charged. I consider it to be a short-term thing that will simply bankrupt lots of people who are already living hand-to-mouth.
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For what ever it may concern, "The poor will be will us always" ---because of sin Jesus knew and gave us freedom of choice. We are not all perfect but some are more industrious then others. some are givers and some are takers. I just don't like that the majority have to pay for the this specific trait of character that feeds their own selfish selves..
I believe in Health Reform too but not the Obama Care way. It is worse then communism. Watch what happens to your own private insurance if this goes through! It is complicated to understand for sure(and meant to be) till it hits home and you discover what happened.
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The major chokehold on health insurance reform, and the primary reason for the veritable monopolies they hold is legislation that expempts them from federal anti-trust law that governs every other industry. Were the fed to repeal that loophole, the health insurers would be forced into a a competetive national (and possibly global) market. I don't have a problem with a public option as long as actual insurance reform first takes place and the government business then falls under all of the rules and regulations that govern the private insurers... AND purchase of the product is not mandated by law. They are not talking about the public option being free, it will simply be another insurance company that sells insurance but is owned by an umbrella organization that has the power to enforce purchase of the product on pain of fines and possible jail time. I am more in agreement with a senator from Arkansas who put a proposal on the table that, instead of creating another mammoth federal beaurocracy, would simply extend Medicare to include people under retirement age who can't afford anything. I think that in conjunction with the vast savings that could be reaped from repealing the anti-trust exemption given the health insurers, opening up the pharmaceutical market to include purchase from foreign sources, and incentivising a large number of Nurse Practitioner/Physician Assistant run community clinics to open up across the country, we could afford to extend Medicare without any significant additional burden on the tax-payers.
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I will go on to say that my biggest problem with all of the plans being put together is that none of them address the issue of reversing the anti-trust exemption, and none of them address the high cost of premiums. In fact, they plan on RAISING premiums by adding up to a 40% tax on them. If a person can't afford to pay that now, how will they afford to pay it next year? The statement "affordable plans" is subjective and nebulous at best. There is no definition for it. An affordable plan to someone making minimum wage would be what... $5.00 a month? I have lived on minimum wage and know how hard it is to just barely survive. How can they afford $200, 300, 400... a month more? They can't. Then what? Pay a huge fine to the federal government or go to jail. That, IMO, is reprehensible and irresponsible. It is a way to say that they have done something good, when they have simply burdened the poor people even more.
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George,
I just heard that today too. That was the best suggestion so far.
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George,
Pay or get insurance next year?? I heard that this plan will not go into effect until 2013 or more. The big joke and out right deceivement that Obama got everyone to vote for him to get immediate relief is to me a really big hoax. You see what I sort of understand is that there is no money to pay for his big socialistic idea that everyone fell for his "help is on the way plan". So what I am hearing is this. We will be taxed all these years big time in order to pay for it in future years. So-- we have to pay for it before years in advance? iIf something really big happens before then or something changes. Where is the money that was supposed to be paid for some thing that might not happen. We have already been hoaxed big time with all the extroadinary pay offs.
Hmmm, how does everyone like paying in installment plans for some thing you might not get in future years but a great "big bong" on the head. Are we stupid or what??
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The problem is, Tinka, is that in his Innagural address, he especially emphasized tht none of it would happen quickly. He said most the things that needed to be corrected would problably take longer than his present tenure. He did not tell anyone, anything would happen instantly or even quickly. It was the direct opposite. He also emphasized that they might make mistakes and have to start over, or go to Plan "B", "C". or even "D". We had never been in the situation he inherited, therefore, no one knew exactly how to bring us out of it. However, he would do the best he could.
Isn't everyone paying into Social Security, and has there beent alk that some who are paying might not get that to which they are entitled?
Socialist? Tinka, once again I point you to the early church. Would you consider them social........each giving only has they had, but always getting what they needed, not based on what they gave? Where do christians get such selfish thoughts. It is not at all Christ-like to be fearful of helping anyone in need.
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That sounds a bit like Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, James Dobson and others who claim that if you don't agree with their politics you are less Christian than they are.
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Ok! Now I understand why the White House and the Senate refuse to include Pharmaceutical reforms in the "healthcare reform" bills. The White House cut a deal with the Drug industry whereby the industry would fund an ad campaign toward passage of the "healthcare" bill, to the tune of $100 million or more.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i8RDSl65WFPHvC7xWMOPApdecI3QD9BEM6UG0
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Princessdi,
I really do not think Obama will be around the 2nd term to see this corruption completed. election is coming up. I would like very much for everyone to have medical but not this way!
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No, not at all on my part. Now to be perfectly honest, in regards to this continusing and ever changing discussion, Tinka, is the only one who has assumed someone was less christian, and even intelligent for having a differing opinion. To her credit I called her on it and she has stopped(I'd like to thank her for that consideration also).
What I am talking about is the mandate given to us by Christ. when He described what would be required of us on judgment day, it was not our doctrine, etc. He said, it would be, did you, feed/cothe the poor, visit the sick, etc? Jesus put no conditions on which poor were deserving or not. However, we have. We can't even make decent policies to feed, clothes, house, or provide medical care for the poor for fear that one that we believe undeserving might get some advantage.
The insurance companies have shown us what they want to do. They are about their bottom line, not insuring those who can't afford thier exhorbatant(sp) prices, or have pre-existing conditions(which is almost everyone), and sentencing many to certain disabilites and even death for those who are members of their plans by refusing vital treatments. They can do this, because there is no real competition. They compete with each other, not even across state lines, but they all still have the same practices. So changing from one to the other brings little relief or change.
Pres. Obama did not have to make any kind of deal with the insurance companies. You know they think ahead and they could see this day coming with the increasing reports and complaints about the high price of staying healthy with their products. Seniors citizens having to choose between food and meds, etc. If you have noticed, most of the companies, if not all, now have some assistance for those who can't afford to buy their meds. It is they who had to get on somebody's band wagon and do better by their members lest they lose them to a public(and probably cheaper) option.
That sounds a bit like Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, James Dobson and others who claim that if you don't agree with their politics you are less Christian than they are.
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Princessdi,
We are not going to be saved in what we did as a nation or how we shared with other countries. Because taxes force us to give. We will be judged only on what we did as individuals. No one can change this truth.
There was only one time that God changed his mind and that is when a whole nation repented before he destroyed them.
In case of doubt about this I alway refer to something simple in reasoing out the facts.
Force is of the devil
free will is of God.
Why is there this enforcement. Even If it did help the people it might not be so bad but Di it is not geared for that. The picture is much bigger.
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I'm sorry, I am not doing a good job in explaining my position aobut christians. not that we are saved as a group, but asd individuals in individual realtionships with God, we ought to see our fellow man, brothers and sisters in Christ, as He sees them, and honor that which He gave us to do which is to help each other.
I don't believe it is force. But in the other countries, if I am not mistaken(please correct me if I am), you can have your private insurance if you wish, however, if you don't then you take part in the national plan, but you go to get treatment when you are ill. As of now, the world is combating a pandemic of Swine Flu. What other disease will get to this point? In the face of that, can we afford to have a significant part of our population unable to get treatment, immunizations, etc. I believe that would be quite harmful to the entire nation, would t it not? Or are we into the "survival of the fittest" mindset?
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Princessdi,
have you looked into or thought about just what is in a shot for swine flue. are you that trusting of what is going to be put into your body???
I do not trust what all drs. say and do. Just some if they are knowlegable in God's way of health. I know drs. personally that probably will kill their patients with wrong diagnosis and treatment and some that did. It's all about the money and how much they can get! and...there is no way I can think any other way. I am too old and too experienced and read too much and found only to trust in God's way. He did not leave us with no instructions or remedies of His own and smart drs that obide the same way.
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See, now that is why I said "treatment, immunization". Firstly, I take no flu shots. They tried to convince me to get just the regular flu shot last year this time when I was in the hospital, but stopped once I told them that I had never, even had the flu. I only get a mild cold about once a year.
The point in my post was to accommodate which every treatment one chose for themselves. They are entitled to that right, but for them to be able to get treatment when they need it.
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I know what you mean, and if the sytem could be fixed for that to happen that would be wonderful, but I am reading what I can about whatever is turned loose in the bills and it to me is horrifying, expecially for the poor. It is a trick to tax more and more when the promise can't now be trusted. It is kind like the "junker car thing" it is a hoax if you follow it through and realize where they will get it all back plus some. It makes me angry because most people do not have the time or way to find out these things as they are too busy trying to survive with work, It takes people like George that really really ventures into the facts and then tries to tell the people and so far he has been right. I try to read some late at night or early early in am if not able to sleep to see some of it. My husband also stays on it. We mostly get into it because of our total interest in what EGW wrote although you finds sentences scattered here and there throughout until you can come to conclusion of what is happening. I still can't believe it is happening for us to see in this generation. The picture is more then bigger then meets most eye.
We have a way that is sort of inside things an some of it just makes us sick an we cannot believe it is before us happening. In future watch the connections.
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Aaaaaahhhh! I see. i am beginning to understand you position in all of this now. It is something that I over looked. Makes more sense, even if I can't totally agree.
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Princessdi,
I hope more and more people can grab broader picture as we are coming to the culmination of all things.
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30:33 Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood: so the forcing of wrath bringeth forth strife.
Just in case any doubt on what is going on with the political corruption. I do not think it will go back to simmering or peace. Maybe for a moment for the last hour seekers of truth then sudden destruction. But the signal of One world Power for a day is now in view. "The New World Order" appearing closer and closer. Will huge strife cause the handover to the beast???
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The health bill that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing to a vote (H.R. 3962) is 1,990 pages. Here are some of the details you need to know.
What the government will require you to do:
• Sec. 202 (p. 91-92) of the bill requires you to enroll in a "qualified plan." If you get your insurance at work, your employer will have a "grace period" to switch you to a "qualified plan," meaning a plan designed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If you buy your own insurance, there's no grace period. You'll have to enroll in a qualified plan as soon as any term in your contract changes, such as the co-pay, deductible or benefit.
• Sec. 224 (p. 118) provides that 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a "qualified plan" covers and how much you'll be legally required to pay for it. That's like a banker telling you to sign the loan agreement now, then filling in the interest rate and repayment terms 18 months later.
On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.
• Sec. 303 (pp. 167-168) makes it clear that, although the "qualified plan" is not yet designed, it will be of the "one size fits all" variety. The bill claims to offer choice—basic, enhanced and premium levels—but the benefits are the same. Only the co-pays and deductibles differ. You will have to enroll in the same plan, whether the government is paying for it or you and your employer are footing the bill.
• Sec. 59b (pp. 297-299) says that when you file your taxes, you must include proof that you are in a qualified plan. If not, you will be fined thousands of dollars. Illegal immigrants are exempt from this requirement.
• Sec. 412 (p. 272) says that employers must provide a "qualified plan" for their employees and pay 72.5% of the cost, and a smaller share of family coverage, or incur an 8% payroll tax. Small businesses, with payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000, are fined less.
Eviscerating Medicare:
In addition to reducing future Medicare funding by an estimated $500 billion, the bill fundamentally changes how Medicare pays doctors and hospitals, permitting the government to dictate treatment decisions.
• Sec. 1302 (pp. 672-692) moves Medicare from a fee-for-service payment system, in which patients choose which doctors to see and doctors are paid for each service they provide, toward what's called a "medical home."
The medical home is this decade's version of HMO-restrictions on care. A primary-care provider manages access to costly specialists and diagnostic tests for a flat monthly fee. The bill specifies that patients may have to settle for a nurse practitioner rather than a physician as the primary-care provider. Medical homes begin with demonstration projects, but the HHS secretary is authorized to "disseminate this approach rapidly on a national basis."
A December 2008 Congressional Budget Office report noted that "medical homes" were likely to resemble the unpopular gatekeepers of 20 years ago if cost control was a priority.
• Sec. 1114 (pp. 391-393) replaces physicians with physician assistants in overseeing care for hospice patients.
• Secs. 1158-1160 (pp. 499-520) initiates programs to reduce payments for patient care to what it costs in the lowest cost regions of the country. This will reduce payments for care (and by implication the standard of care) for hospital patients in higher cost areas such as New York and Florida.
• Sec. 1161 (pp. 520-545) cuts payments to Medicare Advantage plans (used by 20% of seniors). Advantage plans have warned this will result in reductions in optional benefits such as vision and dental care.
• Sec. 1402 (p. 756) says that the results of comparative effectiveness research conducted by the government will be delivered to doctors electronically to guide their use of "medical items and services."
Questionable Priorities:
While the bill will slash Medicare funding, it will also direct billions of dollars to numerous inner-city social work and diversity programs with vague standards of accountability.
• Sec. 399V (p. 1422) provides for grants to community "entities" with no required qualifications except having "documented community activity and experience with community healthcare workers" to "educate, guide, and provide experiential learning opportunities" aimed at drug abuse, poor nutrition, smoking and obesity. "Each community health worker program receiving funds under the grant will provide services in the cultural context most appropriate for the individual served by the program."
These programs will "enhance the capacity of individuals to utilize health services and health related social services under Federal, State and local programs by assisting individuals in establishing eligibility . . . and in receiving services and other benefits" including transportation and translation services.
• Sec. 222 (p. 617) provides reimbursement for culturally and linguistically appropriate services. This program will train health-care workers to inform Medicare beneficiaries of their "right" to have an interpreter at all times and with no co-pays for language services.
• Secs. 2521 and 2533 (pp. 1379 and 1437) establishes racial and ethnic preferences in awarding grants for training nurses and creating secondary-school health science programs. For example, grants for nursing schools should "give preference to programs that provide for improving the diversity of new nurse graduates to reflect changes in the demographics of the patient population." And secondary-school grants should go to schools "graduating students from disadvantaged backgrounds including racial and ethnic minorities."
• Sec. 305 (p. 189) Provides for automatic Medicaid enrollment of newborns who do not otherwise have insurance.
For the text of the bill with page numbers, see www.defendyourhealthcare.us.
—Ms. McCaughey is chairman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former Lt. Governor of New York state.
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Why is Fort Hood a Surprise?
By David Rushton Friday, November 6, 2009
I have long been mystified as to why Americans and Canadians do not understand Islam. It is very simple. While most Christians and Jews pay only lip service to their Bibles, the Muslims believe in the koran with every part of their being. They rise before dawn to pray and they pray five times a day. They mean business in their worship of the false god allah.
They believe in every verse of the koran and the Hadith. But Americns have never read the koran so they are shocked by such carnage as was caused at Fort Hood.
So let me quote just a few verses from the koran. Are you ready?
Infidels (unbelievers) are the Muslim’s undoubted enemies (Sura 4:101).
This ideal is instilled in the minds and hearts of Muslim children by their mothers.
Muslims are to besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.
(Sura 9:5) That’s us they are to besiege because we do not believe in and follow the teachings of Mohammed.
Seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly” (Sura 4:90)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)
Take not Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends to one another. He who takes them for friends is one of them.” Sura 5:51
Believers, make war on the infidels who are your neighbors and let them find you rigorous. (Sura 9:123).
Allah loves those who “fight for his cause” (Sura 61:3).
If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will punish him. (Sura 9:39)
Muslims are to be “ruthless to unbelievers but love Muslims (Sura 48:29).
Kill any person you wish if it be a “just cause.” (Sura 6:152)
‘’I have been ordered to fight with people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but allah ‘’ Hadith 4:196
Mohammed also said, Know that paradise is under the shade of the swords.’’ Hadith vol. 4:73
On July 4, 2002, a Muslim taxi driver in Los Angeles shot to death two people at the El Al terminal in LAX and three more were wounded. For weeks thereafter Psychologists and Psychiatrists wondered why this apparently peaceful man had killed these people. But the answer was very clearly pinned to his front door that morning. A note on the door said simply “Read the Koran.”
A few years earlier a Muslim soldier Hassan Akbar in Kuwait hurled a grenade into a tent full of American Soldiers. Two officers were killed and 14 injured. Everybody wondered what prompted him to do it. Simple, he had been reading the Koran and he believed those soldiers were his enemies.
So why waste time trying to discover what prompted Major Nidal Malik to open fire at Fort Hood. He was a Muslim and he believed in the Koran. The only mystery to me is why the army would allow any Muslim to be a member. The Koran clearly states Infidels (unbelievers) are the Muslims’ undoubted enemies. Yes, we Christians and Jews are their enemies. We did not say that, they did.
Is it not enough to remember how many Jews have been killed in Israel by Muslims who boarded their buses and entered their restaurants with bombs? Why is it so hard for our leaders to understand that Muslims are determined to kill unbelievers and take over their countries for their fictitious god allah.
I do not hate the Muslims. In fact I believe they are to be pitied because they are first victims of this terrible cult of war and hatred. I do not suggest that we should start killing Muslims. I do think they need to be controlled in every situation and never given opportunity to serve in our armed forces or police. They consider us their enemies and feel it is their duty to kill anyone who does not bow the knee to allah. By the way I have deliberately used lower case for allah, and koran because neither is worthy of capitalization.
I wish that this horrific incident would bring Americans and Canadians back to God. What will it take? Another 9-11? No that didn’t do it either. I don’t know what will. God is never mentioned anymore in our politically correct system because our leaders are afraid of offending those who believe in allah. Yet Muslims shout Allahu Akbar!” Meaning “Our god is greater than your God.” Well I have news for you. Not only is no God greater than our God, but in fact there is no other God but our God. So let’s stand up and fight for Him
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A little speach on Health Care by Judge N.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n2m-X7OIuY
Then click on GI Joe and Lilly by Oak Ridge Boys as it comes up with the speach of judge
A little tear will let you down!
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Make up your own mind on this corruption! Interesting, very interesting.
Sanctions for A Political Viewpoint Effects All Lawyers
Dr. Orly Taitz to Appeal Federal Sanctions
November 9, 2009
Atlanta:
The sanctions of Dr. Orly Taitz by Judge Land of the US District Court for the Middle District of Georgia last month should have set off alarm bells for every public interest attorney in the United States. Dr. Taitz's position is that she was sanctioned $20,000 not for outrageous behavior but for her political viewpoints. She has also been a target for the federal judiciary who have made serious ethical and criminal accusations against her but have denied her and her clients including former US presidential candidate Alan Keyes due process on the their claims regarding President Obama's citizenship and birth certificate. Taitz has spent more than a year researching the Obama birth certificate issue and is considered a leading expert on the usurper theory.
Jonathan Levy will be joining Dr. Orly Taitz in her quest for justice as co-counsel on her appeal of sanctions in the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals (Case No. 09-15418 BB).
According to Levy: Orly Taitz has been sanctioned in part for making allusions to the civil rights movement and to the dangers of the Holocaust in her legal arguments. It is arbitrary and capricious to make a determination that some attorneys may invoke historical figures and events while others whose politics the courts find disagreeable may not. Taitz invoked the name of civil rights icon Thurgood Marshall in her arguments and was chastised for doing so by a federal judge, what is next, sanctions for mentioning Gandhi, Stalin, or George Washington without permission?
Dr. Jonathan Levy is best known for his representation of anti globalist figures, Chen Shui-bian, former president of the Republic of China, Nzita Henriques Tiago, president of the Provisional Republic of Cabinda and as legal advisor to the former Yugoslav president and vice president, Slobadan Milosevic and Dr. Vojislav Seselj, defense teams at the Hague Tribunal in addition to his participation in a decade long lawsuit against the Vatican Bank for post Second World War money laundering of concentration camp gold.
Related Court Cases:
UNITED STATES of America ex rel. STATE OF WISCONSIN, Plaintiff-Appellant,v.FIRST FEDERAL SAVINGS AND LOAN ASSOCIATION and Federal Home Loan Bank Board, Defendants-Appellees (1957). (link)
NEWMAN V. UNITED STATES EX REL. FRIZZELL, 238 U. S. 537 (1915) (link)
Motion For Reconsideration In Barnett Vs. Obama (link)
Here come all the plaintiffs (aside from plaintiffs Markham Robinson and Willey Drake represented by Gary Kreep) and motion for reconsideration of October 29th order under Rule 59E and Rule 60.
A newly discovered fact, material to this action, that was the reason for most errors in the order, is the fact that on October 1, 2009 Your Honor hired as your law clerk an attorney Siddharth Velamoor, who previously worked for Perkins Coie, a law firm representing the defendant in the above case, Mr. Obama. As a matter of fact Perkins Coie was one of the firms representing the defendants in a prior legal action filed by the plaintiffs in this very case, Ambassador Alan Keyes et al against Secretary of State Deborah Bowen and Democratic party electors specifically for not vetting Mr. Obama as a presidential candidate, as Ms. Bowen didn't request any vital records and never checked any vital records of Mr. Obama, as she and all the other secretaries of states took his Declaration of a Candidate on its face value. As it is a common knowledge that law clerks do most of the research and write most of the opinions for the judges, the order to dismiss this case was de facto written or largely influenced by an attorney who until recently worked for a firm representing the defendant in this case, and who currently is working as a clerk for the presiding judge, as such most of the order is tainted by bias. This is a clear prejudice against the plaintiffs. While Mr. Velamoor will surely claim that he didn't work on Obama case before, his employment with Perkins Coie should've disqualified him, and indeed the order reads as if it is written by the defense counsel, highly biased against the plaintiffs, 99 percent of the order either misstates the facts or the pleadings or oral argument, it misstates the law and is full of personal attacks, de facto accusing decorated members of the military of being cowards; and this order is particularly used as a tool in what seems to be a concerted effort by this Court and judge Clay D Land in GA to use the power of federal judiciary to publicly lynch the undersigned counsel, to use innuendo, ex parte defamatory and slanderous statements to assassinate her character, to destroy her as a human being and endanger her law license, only because she is not only the only attorney brave enough to bring most of eligibility legal actions, to bring actions from plaintiffs with real standing, the only one to get any hearings, but she is also the only one to bring forward evidence from licensed investigators showing Mr. Obama committing multiple felonies, for which he should be serving lengthy prison term. The court erred in hiring Mr. Velamoor or in the alternative not recusing himself from hearing this case.
The plaintiffs request the court to strike from the order unsupported and prejudicial verbiage. Please see in the attachment Declaration of the undersigned attorney.
The court has stated in the pleadings that the undersigned attorney has encouraged her supporters to contact the court in an attempt to influence his decision in the October 5 hearing. This is not true. The plaintiffs request this stricken from the final order.
During October 5 hearing your honor has stated that the undersigned attorney encouraged the supporters to attempt to influence the court's decision. This never happened. When the undersigned attorney requested to respond, the court stated: 'no, no, it's done. You've put it out there. Now it's your responsibility. The undersigned attorney has done nothing of a kind and believes that this information might have come from some ex parte communications with the presiding judge coming from parties connected to the defense, which is prejudicial, inflammatory and defamatory. The undersigned requests it stricken from the order.
The court has included in the order mention of yet another ex-parte communication with the judge, where two parties claimed that the undersigned counsel has asked them to perjure themselves. Please see the declaration, this was a slanderous, defamatory, prejudicial allegation, and the undersigned had no opportunity to respond.
The undersigned believes that the letters came from Larry Sinclair and Lucas Smith.
Larry Sinclair was asked to authenticate an affidavit he submitted to the Chicago police regarding the homicide of Mr. Donald Young. In the affidavit submitted to the Chicago police and in his book recently published, Mr. Sinclair has stated that Mr. Donald Young has contacted him repeatedly and stated that he had a homosexual relationship with Mr. Barack Obama and that Mr. Young was found dead with multiple gunshot wounds December 23, 2007 at the onset of 2008 Democratic primary elections. Any allegations of the undersigned attorney asking the witness to perjure himself are not only completely defamatory and prejudicial, but are void of any sense or reason, as Mr. Sinclair's affidavit regarding Mr. Young's homicide can be found filed with the Chicago PD and in his book. A copy of the Affidavit of Larry Sinclair and Coroners Certificate of Death of Donald Young is attached as an Exhibit.
Lucas Smith was asked to authenticate Mr. Barack Obama's birth certificate from Kenya, which he previously tried to sell on e-bay and which he authenticated under penalty of perjury both on video camera and in writing. As such any allegations of suborning perjury are totally defamatory and void of any sense or reason, since Mr. Smith made this information public long before ever meeting the undersigned counsel. Therefore any and all allegations of misconduct by the undersigned are totally without merit, prejudicial and defamatory and need to be stricken from the order.
The undersigned is the only attorney, who has the bravery of character to pursue not only the issue of Mr. Obama's illegitimacy to presidency, but also information provided by two licensed investigators, showing that according to reputable databases Mr. Obama has used 39 different social security numbers including the social security numbers of the deceased individuals. This information is an indication of multiple felonies committed by the sitting president, and the undersigned believes that she was targeted and defamatory statements were used in order to keep her silent, to endanger her license and prevent her from proceeding on the above issues. The undersigned is deeply concerned about the fact that the court chose to include in the order slanderous ex-parte communications, while completely ignoring the above evidence against the defendant, which show a tremendous likelihood of success on a RICO claim.
10. The court has commented on the plaintiffs' inability to file a full pledged RICO complaint, calling it inexcusable. The court apparently forgot the fact that the plaintiffs have asked for discovery in order to obtain sufficient information for complete RICO complaint. The court has denied all requests for discovery, therefore making it impossible for the plaintiffs to submit fully pleaded RICO cause of action. The plaintiffs' request discovery in order to submit a properly plead RICO complaint or in the alternative a leave of court to file a second amended complaint on RICO cause of action.
11. The court relies on Ashwander vs Tenn Valley, as the reason to assert that it has no jurisdiction. This is a mistake of fact and a mistake of law. As Ashwander states "If a case can be decided on either of two grounds, one involving a constitutional question, the other a question of statutory construction of general law, the Court will decide only the latter." The fact of the matter is that there is no law or statute that provides definition of the Natural Born Citizen clause. The defense has argued a definition completely different from the definition submitted by the plaintiffs, therefore in the absence of any law or statute providing such definition Aswander actually dictates that the issue needs to be decided based on the Constitution. Central district court of California clearly has a right to interpret the Constitution, so based on the courts own argument the case has to be adjudicated. "With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it is brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution." Supreme Court justice John Marshall in Cohen v Virginia 19 US 264 (1821).
12. The undersigned counsel requests the court to strike out of the order unsupported, prejudicial, demeaning and defamatory language p8, line 22-24 insinuating that the military plaintiffs in this action are cowards and writing: "The court will not interfere in internal military affairs nor be used as a tool by military officers to avoid deployment. The court has a word for such a refusal to follow the orders of the President of the United States, but it will leave the issue to the military to resolve." The undersigned has submitted to this court a letter from Captain Crawford, Legal Counsel to Admiral Malin, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, which clearly stated that the commander in Chief is considered a civilian and there is nothing military can do regarding his eligibility. Based on this response from the military the plaintiffs have brought this matter to the Federal court to ascertain legitimacy and allegiance of the Commander in Chief, who is not a part of the military. The order completely misstated the complaint and standing justification. Recent terrorist incident at Fort Hood has given this question paramount importance. This order has advocated blind obedience by the members of the military. If someone were to have common sense, brains and strength of character to challenge allegiance of Nidal Malik Hasan in court, after he made numerous anti-American and antimilitary statements, maybe 12 young boys wouldn't be 6 feet under today, maybe 12 mothers and 12 fathers wouldn't had their hearts ripped out of their chests and torn apart. Similarly, in the oral argument the undersigned counsel didn't bring rhetoric, but rather she brought valid observations, as she pointed out to Mr. Obama's actions from the beginning of his rein, when he almost immediately cut veteran's health benefits by $500 million a year, while giving $900 million to Gaza, which is governed by a terrorist organization Hamas, which announced war on the United States of America. She argued that it is important to proceed with Mr. Obama's eligibility action expeditiously and ascertain his Natural Born Status and allegiance expeditiously as tremendous harm can be done to this Nation and this military by one with questionable status and questionable allegiance. Therefore, the plaintiffs request all of the above language stricken and the standing reconsidered.
13. The court has misstated the main argument of the case. The court states that the court has no jurisdiction to remove duly elected president. That is a complete misinterpretation of the plaintiffs' argument, probably done by the biased clerk. In reality the whole argument and plea, is for the court to decide, whether the person residing in the White House is duly elected. If he got there by virtue of massive fraud, he had no right to be there and people who voted for him had no right to vote for him. The plaintiffs asked for the judicial determination, for the declaratory relief. If the court finds that fraud was committed, then not only Mr. Obama should be criminally prosecuted, but he will also be liable to about 20 percent of the population of this country who voted for him and particularly to the ones that contributed to his campaign. Just as when one forges a deed to a house, the rightful owner is justified in going to court for as long as it takes to achieve justice and remove the forger and the thief from his house. No judge will be justified in intimidating or sanctioning the owner of the house for going to court to seek resolution on the merits. Similarly, 'we the people' are the rightful owners of the White House and we have the right to go to the authorities and the courts to seek the resolution on the merits for as long as it takes and to remove one who got there by virtue of fraud. It is ludicrous to believe that any judge has any justification to attack us, to sanction us for what is clearly our constitutional right. Saying that no citizen in the country has standing and no court has standing is error of law. This court has erred in not taking into account the October 5th oral argument by the undersigned attorney in that California Choice of law rules require District of Columbia Law be applied to DC defendants. Constitution is a contract between 'we the people' and the government. Natural Born citizen clause is an integral part of this contract. California Supreme court adopted the rule laid out in §187 of the restatement of the Conflict of Laws.. Under §188, the law of the state with the most significant relationship to the transaction at issue is applied. California has adopted the rule of §188. Edwards v. United States Fidelity and Guar. Co., 848 F. Supp. 1460 (ND Cal. 1994); Stonewall Surplus lines Ins. Co v Johnson Controls. Inc., 14 Cal. App. 4th 637, 17 Cal. Rptr.2d 713(1993). This is a case with diversity of parties and the court can make a determination of a choice of law. As such Your Honor can and has to choose DC law, which includes Quo Warranto provision. The interest of judicial economy and National Defense as well as the interest of National security particularly in light of latest slaughter of 13 soldiers at Fort Hood by Nidal Malik Hasan dictate for Your Honor to make a determination of election of DC law and proceeding in Quo Waranto under DC statute 16-3503.
14. The court erred in not taking Judicial notice of 18 USC §1346; Intangible Rights Fraud-as individual damages are not required in Public Sector Mail and Wire Political corruption. Mr. Obama's use of multiple social security numbers, including the social security numbers of the deceased individuals, his obfuscation of all the vital records and use of computer images of records that cannot be considered genuine according to the experts constitute individual predicate acts under Civil R.I.C.O. 18 U.S.C.§§1961,1962(a)-(d), and 1964(c)., which gives standing to every member of the public at large. Denial of standing was an error of law.
15 .The court has made an erroneous and prejudicial statement regarding the service of process by the plaintiffs. It was a clear error of fact and of law. Mr. Obama has been served four times and evaded service of process. As the original action was filed by the undersigned counsel on the Inauguration Day (prior to swearing, as Mr. Obama took a proper oath only the next day, on January 21st) by the undersigned counsel against Mr. Obama as an individual for his actions as an individual prior to the election, the undersigned counsel has properly served Mr. Obama as an individual under rule 4e and properly demanded from the court a default judgment and post default discovery. As the court refused to grant the default judgment, the undersigned properly demanded certification for the interlocutory appeal. As Mr. Obama did not respond to the service of process and couldn't send a US attorney to represent him, a game was played and US attorney has showed up at July 13 hearing de-facto representing Mr. Obama and arguing on his behalf, while claiming that Mr. Obama was not served and that the US attorney represents United States of America-party of interest. If the issue wouldn't be so serious for the National Security of the country, the whole charade would have been laughable. After all US attorneys were supposed to represent 'we the people' and were supposed to join the plaintiffs, protecting them from massive fraud, not cover up for the defendant. Assistant US attorney, Mr. DeJute demanded that the undersigned counsel serve Mr. Obama through the US attorney's office, thereby giving Mr. Obama an opportunity to get legal defense at the taxpayers' expense. The undersigned attorney properly protested, stating that Mr. Obama was properly served as an individual in regards to fraud that he committed as an individual prior to the election and therefore he is not entitled to be represented by the US attorneys at taxpayers' expense. Your honor did not state that the undersigned was wrong in her assessment, but rather stated in presence of 50 observers, that if the undersigned does not serve Mr. Obama the way the government wants, the US attorney will appeal and the case will be sitting in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals for a year, that if the undersigned counsel agrees to serve Mr. Obama the way the government wants, Your Honor promises that the case will be heard on the merits and will not be dismissed on technicality. The undersigned counsel has protested and raised concerns that, based on prior cases, she is afraid that the US Attorney's office will try to dismiss on technicality such as standing or jurisdiction, and the case will not be heard on the merits. Again in front of 50 spectators Your Honor assured that this court has jurisdiction and it is important for this case to be decided not on default judgment, but on the merits, that it is important for the military to know if the Commander in Chief is legitimate, it is important for the whole country. If he is legitimate he can stay in the White House, if he is not legitimate, he needs to be removed from there. Under duress and tremendous pressure from Your Honor the undersigned counsel has agreed to serve US attorney with the complaint. Her worst fears materialized, as not only Your Honor has dismissed the case claiming lack of jurisdiction, but the whole issue was completely misrepresented and the undersigned counsel was denigrated. In the above matter the court erred both in the fact and the law. Mr. Obama should have lost this case on the default judgment, post judgment discovery was supposed to be ordered and all the vital records of Mr. Obama could have been unsealed back in July and August, and this whole nightmare for the whole Nation should have been over 3 months ago. As it stands now, the undersigned counsel, her clients, all of the spectators present in the courtroom and the whole Nation justifiably feel defrauded not only by Mr. Obama, but also by this court.
16. The court erred in not including in the order and not considering an affidavit of Sandra Ramsey Lines, submitted by the plaintiffs as part of the attachment in Dossier #1 and Dossier #6, as Ms Lines, one of the most renown forensic document expert stated in her affidavit that Mr. Obama's short form Certification of Live Birth cannot be considered genuine without analyzing the original currently sealed in the Health Department in Hawaii. Court also erred in omitting from the final order affidavits of licensed investigators Neil Sankey and Susan Daniels. Court erred in refusing to lift the stay of discovery and granting a motion to dismiss, whereby the court de facto aided and abetted obstruction of Justice by Mr. Obama.
17. The court has misrepresented the allegations in the pleadings. On page 2 line 10 The court states that the complaint pleadings talk about Mr. Obama's citizenship status and his birth in Kenya. This is a misstatement of law and complete misstatement of the pleadings and Oral argument. The undersigned has submitted for Judicial notice The Law of Nations by Emer De Vattel, specifically arguing that regardless of where Mr. Obama was born, he was never qualified for presidency, and he admitted it, as he admitted that he had British Citizenship at birth based on the citizenship of his father. Later he acquired Kenyan and Indonesian citizenship, therefore he did not qualify as a Natural Born Citizen, as from birth and until now he had allegiance to other Nations. Natural born citizen is one born in the country to parents (both of them) who are Citizens of the country. This definition was widely used by the framers of the Constitution and was quoted by Chief Justice John Jay and the framer of the 14th amendment John A Bingham.
18. The court erred in its statement that the court is precluded from robbing the D.C. court of jurisdiction as to any quo warranto writ against president Obama because the D.C. Code grants exclusive jurisdiction to the District court of Columbia.. This an error of law, since the DC code states that the Quo Warranto may be brought in D.C., it does not state that it is an exclusive jurisdiction, it does not state that another district court cannot try DC residents including the President under DC statutes and there is no notion in the DC court that proceeding in another court under Quo Warranto will somehow rob the D.C. court. The DC code provides quo warranto may be issued from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States against a person who within the district usurps, intrudes into, or unlawfully holds or exercises, a franchise conferred by the United States or a public office of the United States, civil or military. DC code §16-3501-16-3503(emphases added). The word may does not mean exclusive jurisdiction, and as such the undersigned counsel was absolutely correct in her assertion that this court has proper jurisdiction to proceed under quo warranto and she prays that Your Honor proceeds immediately and expeditiously with denying the defendants motion to dismiss Quo Warranto cause of action and grants the plaintiffs lift of stay of discovery so they can complete the discovery by the January 26 trial date.
19. The court has made an error of fact and completely misstated the FOIA complaint. Pp26-27. For lack of better words it simply put the FOIA complaint on its head. The undersigned counsel did not state that the FOIA requests need to be send to the defendants, who are individuals, but simply said that in the period of nearly a year she has sent requests for information and request to take proper action to numerous agencies around the country, requesting information about the defendants, and since Mr. Obama has sealed all of his vital records by the executive order on the first day of office, further FOIA requests would be futile. The undersigned counsel has submitted voluminous dossiers 1-6 as attachments and showed the court that she undertook a Herculean effort to obtain proper information from the Department of Justice, State department, FBI, CIA, Secret Service, Social Security Administration, Selective Service to name a few. She visited governmental offices all over the country, including CA, Washington DC, KY, TN, WA, TX and others. Simply put there is a wall of silence and lack of response from all of the agencies and therefore a judicial determination and an order of discovery from the trial judge is needed. As there is an error of fact in the order, the undersigned counsel requests to deny the defendants motion to dismiss, and to lift the stay of discovery, so the plaintiffs can complete the proper discovery and proceed on FOIA cause of action at the scheduled trial date of January 26.
20 .The court erred in its assertion that Mr. Obama has submitted his birth certificate. The whole point is that he submitted a photo shopped computer image of a short version Certification of Life Birth, obtained in 2007, that does not provide the name of the hospital, name of the doctor or signatures. Mr. Obama has sealed his original birth certificate. State of Hawaii allows one to get a birth certificate based on an uncorroborated statement of one relative only, as such there is a need to unseal the original birth certificate, birthing file and other vital records in order to ascertain his Natural Born Status.
21 .The court has made an error of law in regards to the declaratory relief cause of action. From p.16 to p.25 the court proceeds with a voluminous argument on jurisdiction to remove the president and at the end of the argument makes a huge leap and lumps declaratory relief together with the injunctive relief in one denial. Even if one were to assume arguendo that the court has no power to remove Mr. Obama from office, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Declaratory Relief. In the declaratory relief the plaintiffs are simply looking for the judicial determination of the meaning of the Natural Born Citizen and factual determination, whether Mr. Obama possess proper vital records and citizenship status to qualify as a Natural Born Citizen. This is an issue of first impression, it is ripe and it is of the paramount importance for the country as a whole and particularly for the military that needs to take orders from Mr. Obama as the Commander in Chief. Judicial determination in the form of the declaratory relief is the exclusive domain of the judiciary, it is an Article 3 issue. The Congress has absolutely no power to issue declaratory relief, it has no power to interpret the Constitution, and regardless of the mechanism by which Mr Obama will be later removed from office: Quo Warranto or impeachment, the judicial determination, the declaratory relief has to be done now and it has to be done here. As such the undersigned counsel prays that your Honor deny the defendants motion to dismiss Declaratory Relief cause of action and grant the lift of discovery so that the undersigned counsel can complete her discovery on the Declaratory Relief cause of action by the January 26 date, set for the jury trial.
22. Lastly the court erred in fact of law and fact on the issue of the political doctrine, justiciability and separation of powers. The defense would like to turn this issue into the political doctrine, however it is not an issue of politics, it is an issue of fraud committed prior to taking office. The plaintiffs were not seeking to enjoin any particular decisions of the executive branch, but rather fraud committed by one in order to become the Chief Executive. As the undersigned read to the court a letter written by Senator Sessions of Alabama, the Congress is relying on the courts to resolve the issue of eligibility. The Congress and Senate do not have any power to ascertain whether Mr. Obama is eligible according to the Constitution. They are relying on you, Your Honor, to make a Judicial Determination, provide declaratory relief and they can take action upon your determination. In undying words of Chief Judge John Marshall, not exercising jurisdiction, when it is available, is treason to the Constitution. Therefore there is not only a potential for justiciability, but obligation to take action based on justiciability. In which way can jurisdiction and justiciability be asserted? Clearly these are uncharted waters, however if this Nation would have been afraid to enter uncharted water, it would have never sent a man to the Moon. If we could send a man to the Moon, we can figure out the issues of the separation of powers, justiciability and jurisdiction. In the humble opinion of the undersigned proper cause of action provided several avenues: (a) declaratory relief on Mr. Obama's Natural born status; (b) forwarding the findings to Congress for their decision on impeachment; (c) forwarding the finding to a special prosecutor; (d) forwarding the findings of fraud, social security fraud, identity theft-if found, to the Department of Justice and Social Security administration for further handling and ultimate enforcement (e). all of the above. After many years of test taking in medicine and law, the undersigned believes that all of the above is the most comprehensive, all encompassing answer.
WHEREFORE, for all of the foregoing reasons Plaintiffs respectfully request their motion for reconsideration granted and the defendants motion to dismiss denied, or in the alternative the plaintiffs seek the leave of court to file a second amended complaint against Mr. Obama specifically on Declaratory Relief, R.I.C.O, Quo Warranto, 1983, Common Law Fraud and Breach of Contract (Constitution of the United States Of America, Article 2, Section 1 being subject matter of the material breach).
Respectfully submitted,
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. (California Bar 223433) Attorney for the Plaintiffs
NOVEMBER 9, 2009
My name is Orly Taitz. I am over 18 years old, am of sound mind and free of any mental disease or psychological impairment of any kind or condition.
I am a citizen of the United States of America and a resident of the state of California.
I am an attorney and an officer of the court licensed in all courts of the state of California, Supreme Court of the United States, Federal District Court in the central District of the State of California and have practiced pro hac vice in the states of Texas, Pennsylvania and Georgia.
This declaration is made in response to the October 29th order in above captioned case.
During the October 5 hearing in the above mentioned case Judge David O. Carter stated that I encouraged my supporters to call him in order to influence his decision.
I declare under penalty of perjury that this is not true.
During the hearing I tried to protest this defamatory allegation against me and asked to speak. However, Judge Carter refused to let me speak and respond to this allegation.
In the same order on page 29, Judge Carter has stated that he received letters with affidavits, claiming that I asked potential witnesses to perjure themselves.
I declare that this is absolutely and categorically not true, and it constitutes an outrageous defamatory and slanderous accusation. Those letters were ex parte communications, highly prejudicial against me and my clients and I had no opportunity to respond and deny those accusations.
10.I believe that the court referred to the letters from Larry Sinclair and Lucas Smith. Both parties were contacted and asked to be witnesses during the motion hearing on September 8, 2009.
11. I have asked Larry Sinclair to authenticate an affidavit he submitted to the Chicago police regarding the homicide of Mr. Donald Young. In fact, the statements to which Mr. Sinclair would testify are already a matter of public record.
In the affidavit submitted to the Chicago Police and in his book, recently published, Mr. Sinclair stated that Mr. Donald Young contacted him repeatedly and told Mr. Sinclair that he had a lengthy homosexual relationship with Mr. Obama.
The affidavit further said that Mr. Young was found dead, shot in the back of his head at the onset of the Democratic primaries for 2008 presidential election.
Any allegation that I asked Mr. Sinclair to perjure himself is not only completely defamatory, but lacks any sense or reason, as Mr. Sinclair's affidavit regarding Mr. Young's homicide can be found filed with the Chicago police department and in his book, that can be purchased on the Internet.
12. I asked Mr. Lucas Smith to authenticate Kenyan birth certificate for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, which he previously tried to sell to the highest bidder on E-bay. Again, any allegations that I asked Mr. Smith to perjure himself is absolutely not true, defamatory and ludicrous, as he made this information available to the public long before he ever met me.
13. As of now I am the only attorney with the courage, integrity and strength of character to not only bring forward information of Mr. Barack Obama not being eligible for the office of the presidency, but also to submit to court information from two licensed investigators, showing that Mr. Obama has used 39 different social security numbers according to national databases, including social security numbers of deceased individuals.
14. I am bringing forward evidence showing that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, sitting president, is guilty of multiple felonies, for which he might need to spend the rest of his life in prison.
15. I believe that I am being targeted in an effort to silence me, which involves targeting my law license in an attempt to try to prevent me from proceeding with legal actions on the above issues.
I solemnly swear under penalty of perjury that all the facts stated and circumstances described above are true and correct statements.
Respectfully submitted,
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. (California Bar 223433)
DONE AND EXECUTED ON THIS 16 day of November, 2009
Declaration of Orly Taitz
My name is Orly Taitz. I am over 18 years old, am of sound mind and free of any mental disease or psychological impairment of any kind or condition.
2. I am a citizen of the United States of America and a resident of the state of California.
3. I am an attorney and an officer of the court licensed in all courts of the state of California, Supreme Court of the United States, Federal District Court in the central District of the State of California and have practiced pro hac vice in the states of Texas, Pennsylvania and Georgia.
4. I am the plaintiffs’ attorney in the above captioned case. This declaration is made in response to the October 29th order in above captioned case.
5. I have done research in this case and found the following:
6. On October 1, 2009 Mr. Siddharth Velamoor, a new law clerk was hired by this court.
7. According to Martindale lawyers database Mr. Velamoor is listed as an attorney for Perkins Coie LLC
8. Perkins Coie via its senior counsel Mr. Robert Bauer acted as the defense attorney representing Mr. Obama against numerous challenges to Mr. Obama’s legitimacy to presidency, similar to the current action.
9. Perkins Coie was one of the defense firms opposing the undersigned counsel and plaintiffs in this case in Keyes et al v Bowen et al, specifically challenging Secretary of state of CA Debra Bowen who did not verify Mr. Obama’s eligibility.
Mr. Bauer from Perkins Coie has served as a counsel for Obama Campaign for America.
11. Mr. Bauer is an attorney for Obama’s Organizing for America
12.Mr. Bauer is an attorney for the Democratic National Committee.
13.Mr. Bauer’s wife Anita Dunn is the White House Communications Director.
14.According to World Net Daily magazine Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee have paid Perkins Coie $1,666,397.01 since the 2008 election.
15. Mr. Bauer has sent a threatening and intimidating letter to Mr. John Hemenway, a DC attorney with 30 years of experience with JAG and State Department, whereby Mr. Bauer has threatened Mr. Hemenway with sanctions and costs, if he dares to appeal a negative decision in a similar case by Judge James Robertson in the District court for the District of Columbia. In that case Judge Robertson came up with a brilliant legal argument, that there was no need to see the actual documentary evidence for Mr. Obama because his eligibility was “twittered and massaged on the blogs”.
16.I declare under penalty of perjury that all of the above are true and correct statements. Respectfully submitted
NOVEMBER 16, 2009
Dr. Orly Taitz, Attorney-at-Law
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Lew Dobbs fired from CNN because of believing the obove article.
America sleeps on.
Demand Congress stop withholding taxes now
By: Devvy
November 16, 2009
Last week the new unemployment numbers came out: 502,000 new unemployment claims. The usurper camped out in the White House gave a short speech on how to address the continuing hemorrhaging of jobs in this country: He's going to hold a "summit" next month. Isn't that clever of Obama aka Barry Soetoro? Then, he hops on his favorite toy, Air Force One, and jets out of town again to go bow to foreign governments who can collapse our economy in five minutes.
What the heck good is a "summit" next month going to do for millions of families suffering right now? There's talk of more stimulus packages to do what? Saddle us with more debt? All of these stimulus packages have done NOTHING for long term job growth in the private sector. How much more of doing the same thing that keeps failing are the American people going to sit back and swallow?
Millions of us have pounded on getting rid of the unnecessary federal income tax for decades. Congressman Ron Paul, has introduced bills in the past to get rid of the withholding taxing scheme. Always ignored by your member of Congress (and the idiot who represents me here in Texas) as they just spend, spend and spend more debt year after year after decade they're in office.
Well, how interesting that finally at least one financial expert on FOX News Network put it out there last week: Suspend the income tax. He said these are desperate times that call for desperate measures. You could have knocked me over with a feather.
There can be no recovery without jobs. Everything that has been done since Congress passed the illegal bank bail outs (signed off by Bush) - right up through the massive stealing for quick fix programs like Cash for Clunkers - are all failures, as predicted, with the end result being more debt. Go take a look at this map of bankruptcies by state.
Go look at this map in real time. Click on foreclosures, then state, then city and then watch what happens. It's staggering. 18.8 MILLION homes (defaults) stood empty during the third quarter. Shocking, and it will get worse as all these government programs do nothing but create more debt, while stealing the American people blind in taxes to pay for this lunacy.
The solution according to Congress (BOTH parties) is continued massive spending for these immoral, unconstitutional invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Continued massive spending for unconstitutional cabinets like the Federal Department of Education and the Environmental Protection Agency. Heck, let's pass a $1.2 TRILLION dollar illegal disaster called health care reform. More proposed debt funded by more borrowing from the communist Chinese, Saudi's, Japanese and anyone else will throw a few billion in our beggar's cup.
The Democrats, along with a number of Republicans, want to further bankrupt the American people with the bogus 'global warming' scam and tax us into rags via another unconstitutional bill called cap and trade. The Republicans did the tax and spend us into unpayable debt from 1995 - 2006, until the Democrats took "power" and now those crooks are lining their pockets:
$23,500,000: "The upper range of net worth Rep. Allan Mollohan (D-WV) accumulated in four years time according to The Washington Post, through earmarks of "tens of millions of dollars to groups associated with his own business partners." Twenty-three million five hundred thousands dollars. Your debt. Your child's debt. They have no future except as slaves to the Gods of DC.
$2,000,000,000: "($2 billion) the approximate amount of money that House Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-WI) is earmarking related to his son's lobbying efforts. The son, Craig Obey, is "a top lobbyist for the nonprofit group" that would receive a roughly $2 billion component of the "Stimulus" package." Your debt. Mine. My elderly parents. My daughter. All of us eating this kind of corruption because the American people keep voting these scoundrels back into office.
Dennis Hastert, former Republican Speaker of the House, retired a rich, fat cat. Hastert is a clear cut example of a crook and should have gone to prison. Instead all these rats are sitting real pretty and guess who is paying for all this? You, me, our children and grand children. Massive debt in the tens of millions. We are little better than oxen under the yoke of indentured servitude. Our children will be paying Hastert's very plush retirement for decades while they go without.
35 MILLION AMERICANS ARE ON FOOD STAMPS
In a nation rich in natural and human resources. Look what Congress has done to our country over the past six decades. The states have gone along with the plundering and now we have mothers so desperate to feed their children and keep a roof over their head, they're robbing banks, for God's sake. Fathers so distraught, a half dozen have killed themselves and their entire families over financial hardship.
Millions of Americans are going hungry the last 3-4 days of the month because no matter how frugal they are, there isn't enough left from their paychecks to even buy food. I'm talking husband and wife or single people with two jobs. Moms and dads going with one meal a day at the end of the month so their children can eat two. Here in America while these lying jackals in Washington, DC do nothing but spend and tax us to death. These elites do not care about we the people. They don't care because we are nothing more than the peasant class to them.
Unemployment checks are replacing paychecks. The situation will not get any better unless jobs are created and that will not happen because Americans are saving what little they have left out of fear for the future. They aren't spending because there's nothing left to spend after their paychecks are raided to pay -- not essential and limited functions of a republican form of government - - but hundreds of billions to the "FED" for interest on the national debt and massive payments to the communist UN, the World Bank, BIS and foreign welfare.
The fruits of your labor are being stolen to build schools for the Palestinian Authority. Since 1994, the illegal USAID (United States Aid for International Development) program has thrown $2.4 billion into the Palestinian Authority. Billions stolen from we the people for what? “Reduce poverty, improve health and education, create jobs and advance democracy.” USAID is set to steal another $153 million from the American people in 2010 for the development of the Palestinian Authority's infrastructure in foreign countries.
Every time I do this kind of research, I want to literally vomit. No where in the U.S. Constitution does it authorize Congress to steal from the American people to build schools or even a fence in any foreign country. No legal authority to steal from us and our children's future to give "aid" to foreign governments to load up on military hardware - that includes Israel. To further slap we the people in the face because there is NO money in the people's purse. The Treasury is over drawn $12 TRILLION dollars. Every penny of that $153 million dollars to advance the putrid stench of democracy and create jobs in Judea and Samaria has to be borrowed from the privately owned Federal Reserve. The interest is more debt on our backs, our children and grand children.
This is change? This is just more grand larceny that both parties have been cramming down our throats for decades. Is this what you work so hard each day for - or did if you're one of the whopping 22% unemployed:
US to Give $125 Million to Upgrade Pakistan's Power Sector. October 29, 2009. "Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, seeking to bolster Islamabad's fight against Islamic extremists US corporaterrorists' profits, initiated a crash U.S. assistance program for Pakistan's power sector aimed at rolling back electricity shortages that threaten to cripple the South Asian nation's economy. Mrs. Clinton, on the first of a three-day diplomatic mission to Pakistan, said that Washington will disburse $125 million to Islamabad for the upgrading of key power stations and transmission lines. U.S. experts [!] are also beginning to work with Pakistani utility companies to reduce power outages and lost revenue caused by outmoded technologies and systemic non-payment by customers, which costs Pakistan hundreds of millions of dollars each year."
Insanity. Here -- go look at this list of spending. This is change? It is sickening beyond words.
THAT is where your "income" tax withholding is going - to pay just the interest on the national debt created by this mafia out in Washington. Trillions of dollars of it. ALL borrowed and you, me, our children and grand children are on the hook to see that a damn power plant in Pakistan gets funding for geopolitical BS.
If you are new to understanding the money trail, please take the time to read this piece I wrote. You can also download it (free) to a CD and listen while you're in commute traffic or on a plane:
Why an income tax is not necessary to fund the federal government
The Right Argument on Taxation
The rape and plundering of the American people must stop because it's a moral crime against our people, our country. It must stop because money needs to be infused into our local economies or millions more will be going hungry and thousands of small to medium businesses across this country will continue to close their doors.
It's bad enough Republicans and Democrats and every president since and including Reagan, have allowed our nation to be invaded by tens of millions of criminals (illegal aliens) stealing jobs and resources. In this time of desperation for millions of Americans, these political whores in Congress continue to allow 125,000 foreign workers into this country every month to satisfy their corporate donors while Americans are standing in unemployment lines.
It is NOT the job of the federal government to create jobs. That is what the private sector does, but you can't create jobs unless people spend. Stopping the withholding taxing scheme will not bring the government to a halt. The other taxing scams (social security and Medicare) will still be withheld. Look at what stopping the income tax would do for someone who makes $52,000 per year. They would take home an extra $600 per month in cold, hard cash. Multiply that by tens and tens of millions of paychecks. (See this important column.)
Of course, the shadow government run by the banking cartels do not want you to have that extra money. They want you to continue running debt as your way of life; drowning in it no matter how hard you try. Because that's how they have enriched their coffers: by keeping all of us slaves to fiat currency. Just think what it would mean to families and single people to have that extra $200 or $600 or $1,000 each month in take home pay? It could mean the difference between foreclosure, keeping their health care coverage and staying warm this winter.
Instead, Congress - both parties and the hustler in the White House - want to continue stealing from all of us to send to foreign governments. To provide free dental care for villages in Guiana. Tens of billions for criminals (illegal aliens) in food stamps, education and medical care. While you and your family go hungry or your children go to bed cold because you can't afford to heat your home during the night.
No more. Get on the phone today and everyday. Call your member of Congress, Republican or Democrat, and tell them: Stop the federal income tax withholding from my paycheck! Congress has the power to tax and stop taxing. Only a massive campaign of bombarding these poltroons every day with a unified voice will force them to take some action.
Oh, make no mistake. There will be the usual ignorant responses from both parties that it isn't practical, can't be done, how will the government pay its bills and so on. These are excuses and we are sick of excuses based on ignorance and/or scare tactics. Yes, it can be done by an act of Congress and it can be done quickly. We cannot stop all the massive financial wrecks coming, but we can help hold some of it back by getting Americans back to work.
Call your friends, relatives, pass this column around. Melt those phones. Everyday. Call their district offices during the Thanksgiving holiday when these rats go home.
We must make a thousand times more noise than the tea parties with our demand to stop the withholding tax. Allow Americans to take home what is rightfully theirs -- not some foreign banking cartel or government.
This is our country and we say enough!
Solutions Ignored:
December 12, 2000:
Paul Calls for an End to Withholding Taxes
April 4, 2001.
Congressman Paul Introduces Legislation to Abolish Withholding Taxes
January 29, 2009:
Ron Paul Introduces Tax Free Tips Act
Better to know the truth:
1 - Job losses demystified
2 - Obama creates 640,329 jobs. — Cost: $323,739.83 per job
3 - Dead Government Walking
4 - Bloodbath Coming in the US Banking Sector
5 - Be Prepared for the Worst -- it's coming
6 - Great Myths of the Great Depression
7 - U.S. foreclosures spike in new regions in 3rd qtr
Devvy Kidd authored the booklets, Why A Bankrupt America and Blind Loyalty; 2 million copies sold. Devvy appears on radio shows all over the country. She left the Republican Party in 1996 and has been an independent voter ever since. Devvy isn't left, right or in the middle; she is a constitutionalist who believes in the supreme law of the land, not some political party.
Visit Devvy's web site at: http://www.devvy.com. You can also sign up for her free email alerts.
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Some one up thread mentioned Mike Huckabee as a presidential candidate. I am from Arkansas. I never voted for Huckabee when he was governor. I didn't vote for him in the last presidential primary season... The headline at abc news at 1:37 p.m. cst: How Many Criminals Has Huckabee Helped Free? This man is not fit to lead this country. FYI Wayne DuMond actually killed two women after his release. He died in jail before they could charge him with the second killing...
And for Mr. Huckabee to call the killing of the four police officers in Washington state a failure of the police in both states???? That is just an outright lie. If Maurice Clemmons was still in jail in Arkansas, this would never have happened.
Huckabee isn't fit to lead anyone not even a dog on leash!
Huckabee Helped Set Rapist Free Who Later Killed Missouri Woman
Former Arkansas Governor, Under Fire for Springing Alleged Lakewood Shooter Maurice Clemmons, Also Pushed for Release of Wayne Dumond
By MARK SCHONE
Nov. 30, 2009 —
Any political ambitions of former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee could be hurt by his role in freeing Maurice Clemmons, the gunman suspected in the execution murders of four police officers in Washington State -- especially since Clemmons would not be the first criminal Huckabee helped to free who later committed murder.
Clemmons was serving 95 years when Huckabee, then governor of Arkansas, commuted his sentence in 2000. Clemmons is now being sought in the murders of four Lakewood, Wash. police officers, who were ambushed and shot in a coffee shop Sunday morning.
Four years earlier, Huckabee also pushed for the parole of rapist Wayne Dumond despite chilling testimonies from victims and their relatives that he was a dangerous criminal who would strike again. Ashley Stevens, a 17-year-old cheerleader when Dumond raped her, told ABC News in 2007 that she put her face inches from Huckabee's and said, "This is how close I was to Wayne Dumond, and I will never forget his face, and you will never forget mine. He's the one that raped me."
Click here to read Brian Ross' 2007 report and watch his report on Good Morning America by clicking here.
But Dumond, serving a life sentence for raping Stevens, was released in 1999 following reported public and private efforts by Huckabee on his behalf. Within a year of his release, he was accused of raping and murdering two more women. He was convicted of raping and murdering one of the women and returned to jail, where he died in 2005.
Video: Brian Ross talks to Mike Huckabee about the release of Wayne Dumond
Prior to his imprisonment for rape, Dumond's record included a conviction for assault and his alleged involvement in a slaying and one other rape. Stevens, the victim in the 1985 rape for which he was convicted, was a distant relative of Bill Clinton's, and Dumond became a cause celebrity among some who thought he had been dealt with harshly because of the victim's relationship to then-Governor Clinton. Huckabee had originally indicated a desire to commute Dumond's sentence, but decided not to after unfavorable public response.
Dumond's Victims Begged Huckabee Not To Release Him
Documentation of Dumond's dangerousness -- including graphic, emotional letters from his alleged victims and their family members -- was in Huckabee's gubernatorial files at the time he was advocating Dumond's release. The news Web site Huffington Post obtained copies of two letters from women who said they were raped by Dumond that were allegedly sent to the governor's office.
After first denying the letters were genuine, a spokesperson for Huckabee now confirms at least one of these letters was received by his office.
The documents were provided to a reporter several years ago by a Huckabee aide, according to the Huffington Post.
In one, a woman tells of how Dumond raped her daughter, while her three-year-old grandchild looked on.
"I am also a rape victim of Dumond's," reads another heavily-underlined, bolded letter to Huckabee from the file. "Please reconsider your decision to release Dumond."
Huckabee even met with Ashley Stevens, whose rape had put Dumond behind bars in 1985.
Shortly afterward, in a 1996 closed-door session with the state parole board, Huckabee urged them to recommend Dumond be freed, according to the one member who voted against the release.
"He said the case I want to talk to you about is Wayne Dumond, and this is a guy who may have grown up on the wrong side of the tracks and may have gotten a raw deal," said professor Charles Chastain of the University of Ark. at Little Rock's Criminal Justice Department. "Immediately the other board members who voted on that case decided, apparently, if the governor wants it, he gets it."
Huckabee described the meeting differently.
"At their invitation I went to their meeting, someone brought up his case," he said. "Frankly it was simply part of a broader discussion. I did not ask them to do anything."
Huckabee also told ABC News that it was "ludicrous" to think he could influence the parole board at the time because the members of the board were appointed by his Democratic predecessors, Jim Guy Tucker and Bill Clinton.
But Butch Reeves, formerly the criminal justice counsel to the Arkansas governor's office, who handled all requests for clemencies and communications with prisoners, gave an account of the meeting that largely supports former board member Chastain's version.
Criminal Justice System In Question
In a phone interview with ABC News, Reeves said Huckabee told the board members he thought there was "something nefarious" about the criminal justice system in Dumond's case, and that the rapist got a "raw deal." Huckabee said he believed Dumond's sentence, originally a life sentence plus 20 years, was "way out of bounds" for his crime, raping a 17-year-old high school student.
Reeves said he could recall only a few such appeals being made by a governor.
"The record clearly shows now Mike Huckabee did advocate for Wayne Dumond's release," said David J. Sanders, a political columnist for Stephens Media in Arkansas. "I think there are real questions about whether he has been forthright on this issue."
Huckabee was criticized during the 2008 presidential primaries for his clemency record. According to the Associated Press, Huckabee granted 1,033 clemencies during his 10 years in office. That figure is more than twice the total racked up by his three predecessors as governor in 17 years.
In 2007, Huckabee told ABC News that he believed that the media's attention to the Dumond story was a "complete exploitation."
The mother of Carol Sue Shields, the woman Dumond raped and killed in Missouri, told ABC News at the time that she would do "whatever it takes" to stop Huckabee from becoming president.
"I can't imagine anybody wanting somebody like that running the country," said Lois Davidson.
After the Lakewood shootings Sunday, Huckabee posted a statement on his Web site. If Clemmons is found to be responsible for the shooting, he wrote, "It will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system."
Click here to read Huckabee's complete statement.
Huckabee is now the host of a talk show on Fox News and has downplayed his interest in running for president again in 2012, despite polls that show he remains popular among Republican voters.
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Willow,
Lets open some more details here before this sort of judgement is passed on Huckabee.
First of all, He is subject as Governor that works for the people.
Huckabee is not a doctor to decide anybody's stability.
Huckabee was not on a board of directors that decide whether there is eligibility for parole. He was not the one that decided the decisions of choices that let these people out of prison. It is all that are elected under him. He is the signer of all who already made the decisions. As Governor he was not the doctors, he was not the board or the people that had to agree before the final signing was put in front of him.
Huckabee had to officiate on other people's in office that directed His decision and that is that and the truth of all. He cannot go against a jury unless there is proof beyond doubt. The doubt was taken care of by the officials that were in charge of this Lunatic.
Now with that said, Can you imagine a leftist using a lunatic to knock a well rounded person that is already in first place for a better presidency. Now something had to be done about that didn't it. Who knows the folly of evil. Governors are signers of finality brought on by officials of all offices. He did not take on all these hats to do his own thing and it is quite simpleton to think he does. Attorney's and doctors and boards would have to go in and prove beyond all doubt that is was OK. Mike Huckabee is not a stupid man but a signer of elected offices that are elected to the jobs they have been trained for. He also cannot go against a wailing victim when professionals have already given their decisions. Its the law and Mike Huckabee follows the law and constitution and am sure glad he does. He is a good man. But this is a trick to discredit his goodness. So there is more ways then one and one should know the political ends of things before all reasoning is made. My question is why and for what reason and how did a lunitic know to do this when it takes good mind plan and be able to accomplish this at the right time and place? It will all be in the books in the end the evil that is planned against right doing. and for sure something needs to change the most difficult office that the United States has had yet.
Even though a person is from the same state as governor does not mean you know everything a govenors job is. We have a terrible govenor in our state and I know what he does!
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Tinka:
Lets get some things straight about Mike Huckabee. He is a political opportunist. Nothing more. He IS responsible for the death's caused by Wayne DuMond and those attributed to Mr. Clemmons. These men weren't paroled. They received a governor's pardon....Please read carefully before you reply. Six people are dead due to this man's errors in judgement...
And further more. I AM FROM Arkansas. I've watched the Huckster since 1993....During his term as governor, he pardoned or gave clemency to more criminals than the three governors who preceeded him.
I stand by my statement. That man isn't fit to lead a dog on a leash....
edited to add: This isn't a right left thing...it's a right wrong thing...just because someone is a republican doesn't make them right or just or annointed of God. And...some of the biggest shysters and opportunists there are hide their evil deeds behind a church pulpit.
And if you read this carefully, you might full comprehend the damage that Huckabee has done to my state. I won't live in my home town anymore because of the hispanic gangs. I had to find a school system safe for my girls. The day to day lives of Arkansas have not been made easier by Mike Huckabee they've been made harder...his parting gift to Arkansas??? A taxpayer funded Mexican Consulate in Little Rock. We have a rosary beads hanging from our rear view mirror. Why? You ask? Because it's not safe for white people in many parts of Springdale my home town. We've had more than one encounter which looked like it might be unpleasant until the young men saw the rosary, they became very respectful. They don't respect you as people just as "fellow catholics" whatever works I suppose.
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Tinka:
Lets get some things straight about Mike Huckabee. He is a political opportunist. Nothing more. He IS responsible for the death's caused by Wayne DuMond and those attributed to Mr. Clemmons. These men weren't paroled. They received a governor's pardon....Please read carefully before you reply. Six people are dead due to this man's errors in judgement...
And further more. I AM FROM Arkansas. I've watched the Huckster since 1993....During his term as governor, he pardoned or gave clemency to more criminals than the three governors who preceeded him.
I stand by my statement. That man isn't fit to lead a dog on a leash....
edited to add: This isn't a right left thing...it's a right wrong thing...just because someone is a republican doesn't make them right or just or annointed of God. And...some of the biggest shysters and opportunists there are hide their evil deeds behind a church pulpit.
And if you read this carefully, you might fully comprehend the damage that Huckabee has done to my state. I won't live in my home town anymore because of the hispanic gangs. I had to find a neighborhood and school system safe for my girls. The day to day lives of Arkansas have not been made easier by Mike Huckabee they've been made harder...his parting gift to Arkansas??? A taxpayer funded Mexican Consulate in Little Rock. We have a rosary beads hanging from our rear view mirror. Why? You ask? Because it's not safe for white people in many parts of Springdale my home town. We've had more than one encounter which looked like it might be unpleasant until the young men saw the rosary, they became very respectful. They don't respect you as people just as "fellow catholics" whatever works I suppose.
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Willow,
I am not closing my mind to any of your statements but will try to run some of it down. although It was supposed to be proven that on this last dude that he was released by the judges that superseeded when Huckabee gave 43 year more sentence but that led to release by misfunction of prosecuters which led to judges ruling and advising of release to Huckabee. Now a days you really cannot trust much but it is also very devestating to see our course that we are in now. Anything almost seems better then this. I am not even sure that Huckabee will actually run but my choice for what is there now at the moment would be Palins agenda but still not sure we should have a woman leader. I believe I saw some scripture about that. I do like her though. I believe she is all American, and tough when the tough get going. She seems to have voice for the middle people and a whole lot of common sense.
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Is everything here true or false? For your own discretion
Beginning video about BHO being with OUR CIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WedxY61d60&feature=PlayList&p=DF32612E6A89587C&index=0
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Part 1 Dr. Manning video treason trial for BHO
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLx0Kb3MB8c&NR=1
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> Part 2 Dr. Manning video treason trial for BHO
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF0nQ-d4Z-I&NR=1
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Here are 6 video links seen in below artcle! Is this believable and will it or will it not happen to America? Each link will be there for you to click on but a couple seem to overlap in info but listen to the end and decide for yourself.
"THE BROOKS REPORT"
THANKS TO:
From: J Richard Niemela
FOR ALL>>>More and more articles such as the one following these words are appearing about our current White House occupant --- appearing on the internet, almost all derogatory in nature, most pointing to the lack of qualifications, appearances of disloyalty to the nation, associations with extreme leftist types in his past, and otherwise, producing views that if they had appeared before the last national election, would certainly have either disqualified him for office or voters would have been turned off by them..
Yet, it is obvious that the controlled Media, admittedly mostly Talmudic/Zionist owned and run, stays with him; none ever report on the derogatory comments that are increasingly anti his presidency and his qualifications for office..The Why of this Media support certainly must be viewed as intentional, a total disregard of the facts related to Obama's past, to his birth nation, to his schooling, who paid for it, who organized it, etc...
Certainly there has to have been and likely still exists, those who have been guiding his life from behind the scenes..None of his accomplishments can be attributed to his own qualifications, ie, getting into Harvard Law school with such obscure credentials...Thus, someone, some group of individuals such as some members of the Council on Foreign Relations, had to have provided both political and financial support, and other enabling tactics to insure his rise to such national recognition....Despite the many unusual steps along his life's way that had to be cloaked and disguised to insure that he made the list, so to speak, of presidential candidates down the road..
The efforts of those "behind the curtain", have paid off, so far, but, perhaps they had a more serious, nefarious purpose in promoting such a likely alien, a Black leftist, someone who would certainly find approval from almost all the nations' Blacks and the noisy liberals who would see in him, a comrade, a supportive leader that would promote their views and enact laws that aided their hopes for changes on environmental issues, etc. Knowing too, that despite his many pre-election promises made during the campaign, to secure the election, none have been met and likely will not be met.. creating thereby, added animosity towards his time in office!
What in effect is developing however, many be "exactly" what those sitting "behind the curtain" have planned for; a serious split between Blacks and Whites, Conservatives and Liberals, so obvious and noisy, that should some unusual event happen, one used before by these same sitters behind the curtain, the nation would erupt into a bloody turmoil...and that may be why we have been subjected to and blinded by, an individual whose actions if removed from office, one way or another, would stir up enough internal animosity that would trigger the planned turmoil, necessary then, to introduce Martial Law on the nation...
Those others, "in the know", government officials acting, reputedly, on behalf of the nations' necesary cohesiveness and sanctity, would react just as planned! As quiet allies; to those "behind the curtain," as those "joined unto them," to cite a biblical term, kinsmen in some instances, who now sit in key political and administrative appointed positions, would see this time as concluding age-old hopes for a dominion over nations. Achieved by the clever and deceitful use of the last "Cash Cow", the final World Empire that can be taken down through internal changes and troubles sufficient to enable them reach a goal long sought, spurred on by control of international economic problems and their own control of international finances.
Such a goal was once tried though the use of another "Christian" nation, Russia, but this plan failed, although it may have simply been a "dry run" of 50+ years, being but a rehearsal for the final push that would finally involve a nation composed of that ancient enemy, Jacob, the nation composed of the many ancient tribes/nations that once came from this progenitor of ancient Israel. Those people whom the Bible labels as the "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel"...not really lost, but kept that way by an internal enemy and blinded Christian Zionists, but a people now being recognized as having concluded their ancient historic trek over the ages that culminated in North America and other related nations. A people now awakening to Who is Who in this world today -- awakening as well, to Who is their opposition, those anciently known as coming from Esau, who is Edom...
The facts of history cannot be cloaked or skewed as they have been done for the past several generations..Events that are shaping the nation today, were prophetically forecast centuries ago, and now, those who understand history and events, can see them coming into fruition..Pay attention to events and those being Divinely generated, as the time is close, the coming changes prophesied. And Divine intervention is predicted to occur, dramatic in its purpose.
J.Richard Niemela
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Obama, a College Marxist?
Deborah Lambert, February 22, 2010
Until now, precious little information has come to light about
President Obama’s youthful political views. That may change as
disclosures by former political science professor Dr. John C. Drew
eventually surface in the mainstream press.
During an evening he spent with Obama in late 1980, Drew, a former
Marxist-turned-conservative-Republican, recalled during an interview
on Breitbart TV’s “The B-cast” that the young Obama was not only a
passionate Marxist, but a Marxist-Leninist, devoted to the
revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist system in America.
The meeting occurred in late December, 1980 when Drew, a 1979
Occidental College graduate in his second year of Cornell University
grad school, visited his girlfriend, still an Occidental student, who
shared a political theory class with Obama.
Drew recalled that Obama, then a college sophomore, showed up in a BMW
with his closest friend Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, and “we all went out
to dinner, partied and drank, smoked cigarettes—and we did what young
Marxists do—we basically argued politics.”
Before the get-together, his then-girlfriend described Obama as “one
of us.” What she meant by that was that “he was on our team . . . a
blood brother . . .a fellow revolutionary,” said Drew.
As a serious Marxist revolutionary himself in those days, Drew said
that as soon as he met young Barack, he realized that this radical
college sophomore wasn’t just “dabbling in Marxism . . . he was a
Marxist-Leninist dedicated to the overthrow of the capitalist system.”
Drew says on his website
(www.anonymouspoliticalscientist.blogspot.com) that his “most vivid
memory of Obama was the way he strongly argued a rather simple-minded
version of Marxist theory,” while he (Drew) had moved on to a more
pessimistic graduate school view that true revolution would never
happen in this country.
Drew’s meeting with the young Obama occurred shortly after he
experienced his first taste of campus notoriety when publicly speaking
out on the anti-apartheid issue and co-founding the anti-apartheid
group that is mentioned in Dreams of My Father.
During their meeting, Drew recalls that Obama believed that “America
was definitely the enemy, and American elites were the enemy, and
whatever America was doing was definitely wrong and bad. He thought
that perhaps the Soviet Union was misunderstood, and it was doing a
better job for its people than most people realized,” Drew noted in a
Newsmax interview.
Although Drew did his senior honors thesis at Occidental on Marxist
Economics, his doctoral research at Cornell in 1984 triggered a move
to the political right when he realized the fallacy of the Marxist
class struggle argument.
However, when Drew crossed the ideological divide from Marxist to
conservative Republican, it may have made his academic career a bit
more challenging.
As an assistant political science professor at Williams College from
1986 – 1989, Drew was one of three registered Republicans on the
faculty. Armed with his newly adopted belief system, Drew says he
complained to the powers-that-be about the school’s affirmative action
policies that favored less qualified African-American faculty
candidates over white candidates, saying that these policies “took
away the honor of being a Williams College professor.”
Now a grant-writing consultant in Laguna Niguel, California, Drew says
that his meeting with Obama some 30 years ago provided useful evidence
of why he was able to win the trust and support of people like Bill
Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and Alice Palmer. He believes that Obama
“never surrendered that tough, Marxist socialist ideology I saw in him
as a sophomore at Occidental College.”
When Drew is asked why he took so long to go public with this story,
he is quick to explain that although he tried to get the story out
during the presidential campaign in 2008, no one in the media would
touch it.
In fact, Drew says he was frustrated when he couldn’t get this
information out during campaign season, since candidate Obama “was
making it sound like people thought he was a socialist because he
didn’t share his toys in kindergarten, but I thought he was a
socialist because I’d seen him argue from a hard Marxist point of
view.”
Obama’s career path was entirely predictable, according to Drew, who
says the first logical career move for a revolutionary right out of
college is to become a labor organizer or a community organizer. The
second step is to become a college professor.
During his stint as a University of Chicago adjunct professor, Obama
“was basically promoting the socialist revolution, saying that our
Constitution promotes negative liberties but not the positive
liberties of a society that advocates wealth distribution.”
Drew’s encounter with the future president nearly 30 years ago sheds
some light on the young Obama’s political ideology, one of the many
aspects of his life that has not undergone any serious scrutiny by the
mainstream press. Drew regards his “15 minutes of fame” that began
with a Newsmax interview in February, 2010 as an “opportunity to share
what I know about the ‘red diaper’ ideology of the young Barack
Obama.”
Saying that he would still be teaching in Massachusetts were it not
for the liberal Democrats that control Williams College, Drew says he
was pleased that Scott Brown was recently elected as the state’s
newest senator, adding that his election “marks the end of the Obama
revolution.”
Deborah Lambert writes the Squeaky Chalk column for Accuracy in Academia.
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Well Tinka I see you are making vast improvements on your copy/pasting skills. Do you have any original thoughts of you own on these far-right ultra-conservative extremist whackos you keep copying from? Or do you just believe and regurgitate everything they tell you?
BTW, how is that whole Obama birther movement thing coming along that you posted about upon his election? According you and your buddies, we should be seeing Obama removed from office any day now for non-citizenship.
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Calvin,
You don't read well, I stated at the beginning of each for people to decide for their self what is true and what is false.These are just articles of interest to know both sides or whatever sides are doing. If you watched any of the videos, there is supposed to be a trial coming up real soon on the Columbia College credentials that BO claims he has. Who know maybe he does and maybe he doesn't. There is much more to read about and can you imagine why this does not come around in full blast to the American people? IF TRUE?? an uprising that would be called the worst revolution. I can see why if this would be true why a cover up from the American people. Sheer blood shed by the Red Necks of which there is more then sufficient to start this whole mess rolling with no stopping. To say there is nothing out there that could cause such a thing would be ignorant on anyones' part. Have you read the laws of Hawaii for the Birth Cirtificates. There laws are very accomodating for those that do not have birth cirtificates. lol you think far right are wackos and I think far left are used by the demons to take people's freedom and be slaves under gov contol.
You should know that all from here on out and forward is not going to be or get Rosy. Too far gone almost like apostasy working hard in the church. Yes, I think that is a good parallel. No one could break America with war except the "ol Trojan Horse Method". It is within, surrounded and planted for action.
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Calvin,
Check these rules out. I am not on this thread to give my own opinion. These are articles that others can form theirs.
Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas
This is scary!
Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
"I have reviewed selected sections of the bill, and find it unbelievable that our Congress, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, could come up with a bill loaded with so many wrong-headed elements."
"Both Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the financial mess of both Social Security and Medicare programs."
"I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons. To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required to administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let's put them to
work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out there."
JUDGE KITHIL continued: "Other problems I have with this bill include:
** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance
to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
** Page 58 and 59: The government will have
real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by
the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).
** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this
section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)
** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same
regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.
** Page 272.! section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration
care according to the patient's age.
** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a
prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates
advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counceling.)
** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify
which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:
"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not
apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
Honorable David Kithil
Marble Falls , Texas
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Interesting fact
9/11 mosque
The World Trade Center Towers have not yet been re-built, but there is one building right across from ground zero that's on schedule to open soon: it's a mosque. Hey if you want to build a mosque there, whatevs, go for it - but what has people really upset is that the dedication date is set for (you guessed it) 9/11/11. We have American kids getting tossed out of school for wearing American flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo (a Mexican beer holiday) because they were being insensitive. But it's totally cool to open a mosque right across the street from ground zero on 9/11?
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Labor Unions
a Source of Trouble for Adventists
The trades unions will be one of the agencies that will bring upon this earth a time of trouble such as has not been since the world began. . . . {LDE 116.3}
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Can this be what the reason we are told "disasters by land and sea" ? Several videos are related to this in which I want to view for proof of this article. But if this is true just how long now? Maybe not long!
THE BROOKS REPORT"
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> THANKS DON FOR SENDING THIS MOST IMPORTANT ARTICLE...VIRGINIA
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>> THIS JUST IN....
Dear American Patriots,
FLORIDA IS ABOUT TO DIE!
This is a sad day for Florida and I wish I did not have to send
this warning out. But as a watchman on the wall I must let you know
what is happening right now to you.
The government has been lying to us about the oil spill in the
gulf all along. It is a disaster that BP & the government will not
>> be able to stop, in spite of the Obamanation's lies that it will be
>> cleaned up 90% by this fall.
>>
>> Here's why, they have drilled down into the strata 6 miles
>> below the ocean floor and tapped into a high pressure cavity. At
>> this level the oil is called A-Biotic oil, it is being created by
>> chemical reaction and will produce an endless supply of oil, sounds
>> like the oil shortage is over , right, wrong. You see the pressure
>> coming up from that well casing is up to 70,000 psi and we have no
>> way to stop it. We do not even possess the science to contain that
>> kind of pressure, let along stop it. On a normal oil rig there are
>> two reading's that are read immediately after they hit oil, the
>> first is flow rate & the second is well head pressure and on a
>> normal rig it is about 1,500psi. At that level all the safety
>> systems work to keep everything safe.
>>
>> On the Horizon rig in the gulf the well head pressure hit
>> 70,000psi +- and blew the rig apart and every safety system with
>> it. BP was told by the rig engineers that the fail safe valve
>> needed to be replaced, but they told the crew to keep drilling
>> anyway and Boom, off it went. The valve probably would not have
>> stopped the oil at 70,000psi any way.
>>
>> The amount of oil blowing into the gulf every day is about
>> 4,000,000 gallons and increasing daily. With the pressure so high
>> no body knows what to do to stop it, everything they have tried has
>> failed and relief wells will not help only increase the problem.
>> Here's why, you see the well casing is down 6 + miles into the
>> earth and the pressure has broken through in several places and
>> continues to erode the well casing, it was 4 inches thick it is now
>> aprox 1 inch thick and soon will be gone leaving the 70,000psi
>> pressure to open the whole wider and spew out faster and faster.
>> But according to the NOAA ( National Oceanic Atmospheric
>> Administration), the pressure is opening up wholes all over the
>> ocean floor up to 20 miles away and releasing oil plumes into the
>> gulf, it is estimated by oil industry experts and the government
>> NOAA that as much as 40% of the gulf is now covered with underwater
>> oil clouds and growing. (SEE ATTACHED LINKS)
>>
>> Now comes the really bad part, oil is not the only thing coming
>> out of the well head and the plume leaks. Deadly gases are escaping
>> into the atmosphere. You will hear in the days to come about "
>> Volatile Organic Compounds" in the air, the EPA has now begun to
>> let out their research and readings on the deadly gases escaping
>> into our air here in Florida. Number one, Benzine (C6H6) gas, the
>> amount one breathes should not go pass 0 to 4 PPB, ( parts per
>> billion) the reading this week in the gulf was 3,000 PPB, this gas
>> is now moving over Florida and will cause problems with the brain,
>> the stomach, and especially for pregnant women to name a few
>> problems. Gas number two, Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S) It is a colorless,
>> very poisonous, flammable gas with the characteristic foul odor of
>> rotten eggs. what humans can breath and survive is 5 to 10 PPB, the
>> EPA reading this week 1,200 PPB, we die. Gas number three
>> isMethylene Chloride ; human exposure is 61 PPB to survive, the EPA
>> readings this week, 3,000 to 3,400 PPB. Its health risks is high
>> volatility which makes it an acute inhalation hazard,. It also
>> metabolized by the body to carbon monoxide potentially leading to
>> carbon monoxide poisoning. Acute exposure by inhalation has
>> resulted in optic neuropath and hepatitis. Prolonged skin contact
>> can result in the dissolving some of the fatty tissues in skin,
>> resulting in skin irritation or chemical burns. It may be
>> carcinogenic, as it has been linked to cancer of the lung, liver,
>> and pancreas in laboratory animals. It may be time to start
>> thinking about moving out of the state, at least get on your knees
>> and pray, pray, pray for God's direction.
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"Obama is Poking His Narcissistic Finger in America's Eye!"
By Ron Ewart, President
National Association of Rural Landowners
and nationally recognized author on freedom and property rights issues.
© Copyright July 30, 2010 - All Rights Reserved
Only an idiot would go around poking people in the eye, but Obama seems to take some perverse pleasure in it, possibly because he thinks he can get away with it. But Obama isn't poking just one person, or a few people in the eye, he's poking an entire nation in the eye. He must think that surrounding himself with radicals and a duped Congress allows him to fundamentally transform a nation in a direction they not only don't want to go, but have no intentions of going.
Yeah, he conned his way into becoming the president with a lot of help of a naive, ignorant and on-the-dole electorate, a complicit academia and an all-to-willing news media, but after 18 months the socialist/Marxist Bill Ayres-Reverend Wright stripes he tried to hide during the campaign are now becoming visible for all to see. Obama is a fast-talking charlatan, a con man, a snake-oil salesman and a Trojan horse who is out to convert America into his distorted vision of a socialist utopia. However, as a tribute to his blindness and naiveté, he really misread the tea leaves on this one. America ain't going to go willingly to his Shangri-La, as he had hoped!
This man must get off on his exposure (no pun intended) to the public because he's on the "tele" almost every day with his ubiquitous teleprompter, that follows him around like a pilot fish follows a shark, waiting for the shark to excrete a tasty morsel. Every time he turns around he's poking his finger in the eye of almost every free-thinking, liberty-loving American that is alive today. If the Founding Fathers were alive, Obama would find himself in the same predicament that fell upon Aaron Burr and might even be subjected to the same punishment.
Every time this village idot signs a 2,000 plus piece of legislation into law, he wraps the chains around the necks of entrepreneurial Americans even tighter. Americans are choking on the gruel that he and the lopsided, constitution-hating Congress dishes up every time they put their heads together to plot the overthrow of a free America, using unconstitutional law as their weapon of choice.
Obama and the liberal/progressive inmates that hold a majority in the asylum known as the U. S. Congress, have done more damage to freedom in America, than all past presidents and administrations combined, even including Wilson and FDR. They have taken America into bankruptcy, probably on purpose and bought off a whole bunch more baby birds (dependent Americans who unfortunately get to vote) that have their beaks straining upwards in the air from their nest of despair, screaming for their next "meal" out of the public treasury. The public treasury, as you may know, is now under the direction of one Timothy Geitner, who managed to be confirmed for a cabinet post by the Senate, even when it was revealed that he criminally failed to pay his income taxes, that the rest of us country gentlemen and ladies must pay or else.
Obama's administration is so riddled with 60's radicals with zero business experience, it is a wonder that the whole lot of them haven't been brought up on charges of treason and high crimes for the criminal acts they perpetrated in the past and for what they are planning to do during Obama's first term in office and what they intend to do in the future, whether Obama is president for a second term or not. If a Republican president had surrounded himself with unrepentant criminals and radicals, as Obama has done, there would have been calls for his immediate impeachment within months of him taking office.
But his attack on Arizona's immigration law, SB 1070, is going to backfire on him. We have talked to Americans who voted for this college-kid-with-no-past and they are livid with Obama's decision to sue Arizona. Most Americans have had it up to their eyebrows with the coddling of illegal aliens who invade our country, suck up our safety benefits, take our jobs and bring in drugs and diseases. If you asked a thousand legal Americans if they would vote for sending every illegal alien back across the border, we venture that you would get at least 800 of them saying an emphatic yes.
Anyone with any moxie at all knows, you can't keep poking your finger in someone's eye without that someone poking back. Millions of Americans, suffering watery eyes from one-term-president Obama's incessant poking, are now "poking" back and Hell hath no fury than an American with watery eyes.
Our only hope is that Obama's arrogance and stupidity will take him over the edge and we can finally impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanors before he and his willing accomplices can do any more damage to our precious America. Obama is the epitome of everything that America is not. How he got elected is a mystery that may never be solved. That he not be allowed to complete his transformation of America, is paramount.
Ron Ewart, President
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Hmmm, after I wrote Fox New and a few others, and to the above person, I see my 'quote" of the Trojan Horse is starting to take on. But of course they very well could have known this their selves. But I remember sending to the News and within a couple of days the "Trojan Horse Affect" was heard.
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But then we have a VP who is just as dumb :ROFL:
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It appears he is losing it doesn't it. Maybe it is because he has set to long drilling holes in his scalp to give himself the young look. He's been doing that for some time. What's wrong with a guy like that?? :ROFL: Maybe he's got the DS ego?
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Very clear message to Barry Soetoro from "We The People."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE
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Tinka states -It took me 7 1/2 hours to download this. If you click on the link at bottom it comes up for you to just put in your email and they want you to be a member of which doesn't mean a whole lot. It is a group that is called the Contitutionalist. After they download I think it just takes about 2 hours to watch. It goes way back to the 1920's and for those who don't stay political in tuned much this is a great documentary of actual facts and Virgina Brook on Brooks Report is just an individual that passes on documentaries of happenings of which most are videos.
"THE BROOKS REPORT"
I HAVE NOT WATCHED ALL THIS VIDEO YET, IT IS QUITE LONG, BUT SO FAR,
REALLY FACTUAL...THANKS CHARLENE FOR THIS...I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE NEW
WORLD ORDER FOR MANY YEARS, BUT NEVER ON A VIDEO THAT TELLS IT ALL.
NOW WE KNOW JUST WHO ALL WE HAVE TO FIGHT TO STOP THIS NON-
SENSE....VIRGINIA
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: "Invisible Empire" Documentary Film - - Please Forward
A New World Order On Trial.
For the first time ever, the secret agenda of the planet’s ruthless
Super-class is exposed in stark detail. This documentary film
chronicles how men of power and influence have worked in stealth for
centuries to establish an oppressive world government. Learn how this
global oligarchy controls the populace through drug trafficking, money
laundering, staged terror attacks, media propaganda and debt. The
criminal controllers have successfully dominated the globe and are now
in the final phase of consolidating power. Invisible Empire: A New
World Order Defined is a damning indictment of the globalists through
their own words and documents. Worldwide tyranny isn’t coming — it’s
here.
This isn’t conspiracy theory, it’s conspiracy fact. The New World
Order is out in the open, all documented in stunning living color.
Unelected bureaucrats are establishing regional unions under one
superstate. Witness their plan for a global tax and a cashless
surveillance society in which every man, woman and child is micro-
chipped at birth.
Invisible Empire will be more than just a film — it is the culmination
of years of research by Jason Bermas into the inner-workings and most
revealing public statements by the New World Order and the most
trusted stewards of their dark vision.
Invisible Empire promises to unveil the long-term agenda for world
control, just as Fabled Enemies and Loose Change Final Cut forever
stripped away the facade of the official story of 9/11 and exposed the
dark truth that lies behind.
http://constitutioners.ning.com/video/invisible-empire-a-new-world
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Is this an UnHOly Alliance..or what Check out these connections. Doesn't appear that any Adventists mentioned anywhere. Where are we for Religious Freedom? Under the haystack fast asleep? Wonder why we do not get this info from with in to show how close we are and work harder for the time is swiftly coming to where we can't.
http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy.htm
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"Wonder if the Red Necks that hung what they thought was a FED worker in Kentucky because of stuff like this??
Yes their are more Red Necks then what people know of! "
So Tinka... Just curious. What do you consider a redneck?
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How's this Horsethief, (smile)
What this world needs is a few more rednecks
Some people ain't afraid to take a stand
What this world needs is a little more respect
For the Lord and the law and the workin' man
We could use a little peace and satisfaction
Some good people up front to take the lead
A little less talk and a little more action
And a few more rednecks is what we need
I was raised on beans and cornbread
And I like my chicken fried
Yes, I drive a pickup truck
And I'm full of American pride
I keep a Bible on my table
I got a flag out on my lawn
And I don't believe in mindin'
No one's business but my own
And I love them Rambo movies
I think they make a lot of sense
And it's a shame ole John Wayne
Didn't live to run for president
[And I'm a catfish connoisseur
And I love the Lynyrd Skynyrd band
And I'm crazy about the NFL
And I'm a diehard NASCAR Fan]
And I don't care what nobody says
I don't trust ole Obamablabla
And I don't know who turned him on
But it's time to turn him off
Now they're tryin' to take my guns away
And that would be just fine
If you take ‘em away from the criminals first
I'll gladly give ya mine
And I don't mind payin' taxes
But it makes my temper itch
When my hard earned money goes
To make some politician rich
What most people call a redneck
Ain't nothin' but a workin' man
And he makes his livin'
By the sweat of his brow
And the calluses on his hands
Now you intellectuals may not like it
But there ain't nothin' that you can do
Cause there's a whole lot more of us common-folks
Then there ever will be of you
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GOOD! Because I'm very proud to be a redneck. It doesn't mean I hate anyone, it just means I like to do it myself and love my independence,,,
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So do I and It appears the "Red Necks" will have to fight for it for as long as they can!! I fear it won't be long if Nov. does not change it. The town where I am close to is no longer hardly operating. GM closed, half of malls, stores in main town closed and like a ghost city of average size except for the courts and jails. Corruption of the worst kind is everywhere. Not sure how long the people can survive if not changed around in Nov. and even that does not assure anything. I look at the prophecy. Wonder how long it will be before the coastal areas start showing the effect of smellless gasses in the people's health. Remember EGW quoting in last days do not live on coastal areas. I thought it was just for the storms....wow! never thought of anything like this in catastrophe.
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If it weren't for my Scotch-Irish ancestors in South Carolina, we might not have ever had an American Revolution. South Carolinians stood up to the British forces, even fought them before the Boston Tea Party happened. It was there courage that gave heart to the rebellion and spread through the colonies.
Yes, they were rednecks... Proud southerners just wanting an oppressive occupier to leave them alone and let them be independent.
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Ever listen to the song of "Battle of New Orleans", I really like it and sort of alluded to that on here a couple of times. Those were rednecks too!! Don't mess with the mountain people and the planesmens that love their freedom. It's the city slickers that can't fend for their selves. Can't grow a vegetable, preserve vegetables or know how to make a cloth, dependant on stores only and somebody else feeding them. (laugh) no money, no food, can't live without the government. Those are the dependant. Thanks to the farmers in the heartlands, the know hows, the lovers of the land and their freedom, the protectors, the backbones, the lovers of God and man. The ones with responsibility, take nature as it comes with a good year and the bad, love for their neighbor and work of their hands that is not out of books. (course we need them too but not the influence of their money tricks learned along in those professor shops.)Those are the rednecks and I am one of them too. On my kitchen wall is loaded rifles and can use it. Always been there because it is a sign of our freedom. Of course not for the varmints that get in my garden. Food comes first and the animals second in this case. Although we love animals and the little town strays know where they can be fed. But the "hoggies" are not going to eat my melons. Too much road kill anyway that is worse. and of course that is what I like about Sara P.
She is a survivor, no one would go hungry around her when she knows how to skin a moose, skinning a moose shows extreme know how on many things, working and fishing is the hardest work and sport there is and it show determination, it shows accomplishments, it shows she is a provider and protector, and a decider for people and their best interest all on her own. She knows her place with her husband, is feminine and geniune. A good ole down to earth "Red Neck". and sometimes it does take a "mama grizzly". as she fights for our own self preservation of this United States and brings forth the reason why the other side go for the pocket money for their own greed. She is like a Davy Crockett in the land of Alaska. Knows all sees all and tells it all. She has the dignity, dress and poise of Elizabeth but in a little different "American way" when seen in public for the respect of the people and this country. But not the agendas of Elizabeth. I above all do not like leaders to be women as that is my "glitch". But when the men failed --EGW was the one that "stood", so the men have failed and now let Sara give it all shes got and whoaaa "till the cows come home". ...and you know the cow jumped over the moon.
P.S. Skinning a moose takes guts, and I could not skin a moose. a surviver Sara is....
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How many words does it take Tinka?
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Don't know, didnt count them... Too many? don't read!
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Tinka... I saw something in one of your posts about some Ron Paul petition. Are you a Ron Paul supporter?
Just a yes or no answer will do...
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He has a lot of good ideas of what should be and some not good. He is interesting but I do not think I would vote for him. Something is a little different and not sure.
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That is why you close the boarders, send them home, let them fight and stand up to their own COUNTRIES political corruption, do their own work and LET THE UNITED STATES GIVE THE MONEY TO OUR OWN POOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUR OWN FAMILYS FIRST. THAT IS HOW THIS NATION SHOULD BE AS DIRECTED FROM BEGINNING. WE HAVE GIVEN MUCH TO THE OTHER COUNTRIES BUT CANNOT COMBAT ALL THEIR EVIL AND CORRUPTION TO THE TAKING AWAY OF OUR POOR. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME FIRST. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THEY TAKE AND SEND IT BACK HOME AND WE KEEP PAYING. AND YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE POOR IN THIS COUNTRY?????? WOULD YOU FEED YOUR NEIGHBORS CHILD WHILE YOUR OWN CHILD IS STARVING? YEAH YOU MUST BE FROM CALIFORNIA! WONDER WHY THEY HAVE NO FOREFATHERS MAKING INSPIRED CONSTITUTIONS IN OTHER COUNTRIES FROM THEIR BEGINNING.??? THEY ARE A --------NATION OF RELIGION, AND THEY LIKE THE DRUGS AND THEY LIKE US TO PAY FOR IT AND DESTROY US. THEY ARE MOSTLY EVIL TO THE HILT AND THEY KNOW HOW TO ROB. IF THIS IS NOT SO WHY ALL THE PROBLEM??? WELL MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT--THE US SHOULD BE THE ONE WORLD POWER OF ALL CARE AND OBAMA THE ONE WORLD ORDER DICTATOR.
(laugh) banks and companys failed because of corruption(Acorn, Sorros, etc,etc.etc. and of course the union bosses that got their Chicago man in -are hiding where we can't find the money in their huge bailout claims :ROFL: Justifications of corruptions do bring out the most horrific, crazy theories.....
Spoken like a true Christian, yep lets just round up all the illegal aliens (those aliens) not children of God and ship them back home. It is those people that are causing all the problems while the good people here in the United States and those from the good old days desire this great country and its riches alone. Thanksfully, we have a new president who does not think like that, and a first lady Michelle Obama who cares about all people.
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There are lots of words and speculation, but we will see.
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Spoken like a true Christian, yep lets just round up all the illegal aliens (those aliens) not children of God and ship them back home. It is those people that are causing all the problems while the good people here in the United States and those from the good old days desire this great country and its riches alone. Thanksfully, we have a new president who does not think like that, and a first lady Michelle Obama who cares about all people.
Most Muslims think the same and they are also shrewed as you see the Trojan Horse rolled right into the White House under a "cloak of black racism to land the first black president" and using those tactics against his own race is the shrewed devilish act. But he won't fool these two races long and the "evil "want their trophy on top of ground 0 and the rest of them came here to filtrate take over and force their ungodly views and (society) religion and take the wealth of America theirselves that the rednecks worked for and the Muslims think their going to take. and Obamablabla is their leader and in the Heartland where the people are honest are quickly waking up and you as a born elsewhere Socialist don't even begin to touch the surface or know what your talking about. HE may be a brand new President but he is going down. The black and white true Americans are seeing just what has happened here. Just a few more days and you can eat your blabla. You need to change your handle as your shrewdness is highly detected here. His own claimed party is now leaving him too. I believe your dangerous and are posting here as "one of them". When someone wants what someone else has worked for and earned is nothing more then a thief. Ugly ugly ugly In fact it would not surprise me if Obamablabla is you sticking up for Eleanor or your far off in lala fantasy Why would that surprise anyone since the likes of you found your way here too :usa:
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Spoken like a true Christian, yep lets just round up all the illegal aliens (those aliens) not children of God and ship them back home. It is those people that are causing all the problems while the good people here in the United States and those from the good old days desire this great country and its riches alone. Thanksfully, we have a new president who does not think like that, and a first lady Michelle Obama who cares about all people.
Most Muslims think the same and they are also shrewed as you see the Trojan Horse rolled right into the White House under a "cloak of black racism to land the first black president" and using those tactics against his own race is the shrewed devilish act. But he won't fool these two races long and the "evil "want their trophy on top of ground 0 and the rest of them came here to filtrate take over and force their ungodly views and (society) religion and take the wealth of America theirselves that the rednecks worked for and the Muslims think their going to take. and Obamablabla is their leader and in the Heartland where the people are honest are quickly waking up and you as a born elsewhere Socialist don't even begin to touch the surface or know what your talking about. HE may be a brand new President but he is going down. The black and white true Americans are seeing just what has happened here. Just a few more days and you can eat your blabla. You need to change your handle as your shrewdness is highly detected here. His own claimed party is now leaving him too. I believe your dangerous and are posting here as "one of them". When someone wants what someone else has worked for and earned is nothing more then a thief. Ugly ugly ugly In fact it would not surprise me if Obamablabla is you sticking up for Eleanor or your far off in lala fantasy Why would that surprise anyone since the likes of you found your way here too :usa:
Yes, so true "when someone wants what someone else has workded for" they are a thief. As I can last remember the earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof. The red necks only believe that they did all the work and believing doesn't make it so. Actually, it was on the backs of the slaves, picking cotton and and working for the master in the field that was one of the contributing factors to this countries greatness. And Gods grace because of the many kind and good folks of this country black and white that have made this country what it is today. But this country is fast losing its compassion and allowing the haters and those that know there father the Devil to take over. I say make all the illegal aliens citizens and put a fence up and try to make the orderly migration into this country possible. But right now what I think we need is forgivness and acceptance.That is why I am so glad we have the lovely Michelle Obama as our first lady and her Husband Barak Obama as president. I am sure that you like Michelle Obama because she is a really sweet and kind lady, What do you think?
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Six days thou shalt work --provided by God. and the red necks know the rest and it isn't your "slaved mind".
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Six days thou shalt work --provided by God. and the red necks know the rest and it isn't your "slaved mind".
Well, Michelle Obama is a descendent of the slaves and she is not a red neck and she knows how to work hard. But you seem to be claiming some kinda special understanding of God for the red neck that the dark skinned man doesn't know.
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:oops: posting in wrong thread
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:oops: again
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True Black and white "rednecks" are true Americans that fight for what
America was built on and the true God that only gives freedom with
ones owns work and own giving of choice. America will suffer in their
choice of a false God and Muslim agendas of oppression and socialistic
implants in our highest offices. and America is truly suffering right
now for their backslidden choices. Just like they chose in Biblical
days of experiences. It's not hard to call this one and the likes of
ones all for it.
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Six days thou shalt work --provided by God. and the red necks know the rest and it isn't your "slaved mind".
Well, Michelle Obama is a descendent of the slaves and she is not a red neck and she knows how to work hard. But you seem to be claiming some kinda special understanding of God for the red neck that the dark skinned man doesn't know.
Again, so what? Many black women are descendents of slaves. I am sure that Mrs. Obama wouldn't know work if it was in front of her. Sorry, but giving speeches and spending tax money on appearances isn't work! Also, Mrs. Obama is un-American. Have we forgotten the comment she made before her husband became the leader of the free world? Where she clearly stated that she was finally pleased with America? Go figure. I'm sure you were Michelle, it's sad that you were only a happy American because your hubby was on his way to the white house!!
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I didn't like the comment, it should not have been said, but she has a right to own opinion, just like we have a right to ours. I have never paid any attention to Michelle's background- so I don't know how she grew up, but I do know, she went to law school and that is NO piece of cake. That is hard work. Not all of us, were "dirt poor" :ROFL:
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OK?! I know I grew up upper middle class and raised in the surburbs(same housing development with John Madden, Oakland Raiders coach), but it was because of the hard work of my parents. My Dad who was a contractor, and worked so my Mom could stay home. They are the ones who taught me work ethics. My very first summer job is when my Dad took me to work in his office. So I guess some would say that was privileged.
Michelle grew up in a working clas family. Her parents worked hard and sacrificed to get her to college and law school. I am not sure why anyone is insinuating that she grew up with a silver spoon in her mouth. You all need to check your facts, before you speak, and stop being intimidated because the Obamas are bright, intelligent, attractive people who just happen to be black. That is your real issue. They love and respect each other and their children. They project, in spades(pun intended), those same family values the republican party were ranting about with Clinton. now, they are virtually silent. Tea Partiers are lining up behind Sarah Palin who's family has moral issues that would kill the campaign of any man, republican or demorcrat. But there has to be something wrong with the Obamas. Give me a break! Be honest with yourselves(because that is all you are fooling with your racist slander), tell the truth and shame the devil, and say you don't like them because they are black and powerful. If this same dynamic existed in a white first family, you all would be part of their fan club, but because they are black, it's a problem.
Now, that we got that all out in the open, and we know where everyone stands of this issue. Let it go.
Now..... back to our regularly scheduled broadcast! ;D Much love everyone!
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Once I say this, I will let it go- I am not a RACIST- I HAVE NEVER BEEN A RACIST IN MY LIFE! I could care less what color Obama is- He could be purple with yellow polka dots- he BELIEVED IN ABORTION AND STEM CELL RESEARCH WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS. I could NOT vote for him because of that- I'm sorry....
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Oh no, Mrst53. You are definitely NOT a racist. You are really one of the few, I can tell that you truly just have a true problem with Pres. Obama's policies. i would never ocnsider you a racist. At least not from what I have read here. i did not mean to insinuate you were a racist...my apologies.
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Once I say this, I will let it go- I am not a RACIST- I HAVE NEVER BEEN A RACIST IN MY LIFE! I could care less what color Obama is- He could be purple with yellow polka dots- he BELIEVED IN ABORTION AND STEM CELL RESEARCH WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS. I could NOT vote for him because of that- I'm sorry....
I have heard you say this before and I will try and straighten you out one more time. I want you to find where Obama believes in abortion? I posted to you one time already that the vast majority of Democrats believe in the individuals right to choose for themselves. Somehow you keep repeating the lie that has been told by the fanatical side that Obama and demorcrates believe in abortion. Do you know that most republicans believe in building nuclear bombs and love going to war in the name of God. I hope you carry the same feelings towards them as you carry towards Obama. By the way is there any candidate you would vote for?
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What republican has made any such statement, Christian, about wanting to build nuclear bombs and love going to war in the name of God?
What republican has said such a thing and what is the source of your information?
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You know, Horsethief, I truly cannot remember anyone from the republican party making such a statement, but it was emphatically implied with the policies being supported, even encouraged by the christian right.....anybody remember the Christian Coalition?
What republican has made any such statement, Christian, about wanting to build nuclear bombs and love going to war in the name of God?
What republican has said such a thing and what is the source of your information?
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Di, did you ever read in Biblical days what the Lord had his people do to preserve His people? That was pretty gruesome not sure I could have lived it. Freedom is freedom and that is what we Pilgrimed here for. we fought for it, we won it, and guess what, we had black forefathers that fought for it too. side by side Di.
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For your info Di
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PvYGG22N7o
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Those kinds of policies are one reason why the Republicans emphatically rejected Pat Robertson, and why the Christian Right is marginalized by the party. Both parties have to deal with extremists in their midst.
You know, Horsethief, I truly cannot remember anyone from the republican party making such a statement, but it was emphatically implied with the policies being supported, even encouraged by the christian right.....anybody remember the Christian Coalition?
What republican has made any such statement, Christian, about wanting to build nuclear bombs and love going to war in the name of God?
What republican has said such a thing and what is the source of your information?
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I honestly didn't expect Christian to verify his statements. But I wonder if Princess Di can back up hers? It was never a republican policy to go to war in the name of God or to use nuclear weapons on anyone. Can you verify your statements and show your sources Princess Di?
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I honestly didn't expect Christian to verify his statements. But I wonder if Princess Di can back up hers? It was never a republican policy to go to war in the name of God or to use nuclear weapons on anyone. Can you verify your statements and show your sources Princess Di?
Stop the games horsethief. I was in the armed services under Reagan and the like and I can tell you that they (republicans) are more prone to war and will cut the budget of the poor and enlarge the budget of the military and greatly multiply the wealth of the rich. Statistically the rich get richer and the military gets more under the republicans. And the reason that Bush Junior won the election is because the fanatical Christian right thought he was ordained by God and the by in large put the man back in office.
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Too bad Sebastian you did not even know what you were in the war for. :ROFL: You must have got your American stay for participating. Can you even tell me what our flag means? and why?
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Games??? Christian, you made the statement. If you're not just an opportunistic blogger, then prove it by verification. What republican has made such statements and when?
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Tinka, you have got to be kidding me! You actually wnat me to take that YouTube video seriously. In the first place republicans didn't vote for Obama so they started this add out with a lie. For the record, I dont' believe Republicans should have anything to say right about now. As they have no plan to get us out of this mess other than to repeat the policies that got us into the mess in the first place. That is the definitions of mental illness. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Gurl please!
For your info Di
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PvYGG22N7o
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If some Republicans did not change their vote then are you claiming the Obamacorn did win by the Acron fiasco on thousands of illigal votes. Just watch and see if they don't burst your bubble in Nov. I feel all the illigal things against America will be showing up big time that has been very quite until then. Then you will see all their ducks lined up. How in the world do you know fact when you don't even know what Mamabama said on National TV. I just watched a new tape of actual coverage where Bush and McCain tried in the democratic Congress to do something about Fannie and Freddie 1 year before hand but the ole Barney shut it down and now that gave the Dems their big "lie" to give out for pushing the blame on elsewhere and the liberal media followed suit.
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It was not any of them who our expousing this currect junk! They have no credibility with me. Simple. They had nothing---NO THING--to say when the Bush administration was putting us in ALL of this mess. Now they want to talk when Obama can't fix the mess your preferred administration created.....give me a break!
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Princess Di... As we speak, the republicans are not in any majority. So they are powerless when it comes to blocking democratic proposals from becoming law, unless they caucus with DEMOCRATS. Obama took office 20 months ago. That's enough time to implement policies that could have reversed unemployment and changed the U.S. economy's direction. That hasn't happened...
So don't be surprised if Obama's party loses the house and the senate.
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Princess Di... As we speak, the republicans are not in any majority. So they are powerless when it comes to blocking democratic proposals from becoming law, unless they caucus with DEMOCRATS. Obama took office 20 months ago. That's enough time to implement policies that could have reversed unemployment and changed the U.S. economy's direction. That hasn't happened...
So don't be surprised if Obama's party loses the house and the senate.
As we speak he has implemented the Health Care Reform, started to shift our focus from Iraqi, and is in the process or trying to change current tax mandate. I would not be surprise if they lose the House and the Senate because of what I call white backlash. Again, the man has not been in office two years and they were already starting the accuse game from the first week he took office. And you have no idea how height unemployment would actually be if not for his policies.
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$110 million dollars of federal stimulus money provided to the city of
Los Angeles, which, with these stimulus funds created or saved 55 jobs...
Does anyone wonder why the common people distrust this current field of elected officials, including the President?
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:ROFL: :ROFL: These very people that can't get it in common sense don't understand their religion either. Maybe it is because of the exact reasons that Di gives as it is just to taxing and tiring to the mind to seek first truth before "forcing their likes of demontic oppressions from the theory of taking (thieving) as a Nation to "Spread the wealth". There is absolutely no God given religion that condones this ----but "uneducated" poor that looked for Obama money promises". or maybe they get it from the movies or Roger Moore. The part I am so angry about is that the Obama's used this very scenario to get the uneducated poor to bite for his vote. Their tears streamed down as "now their own race will help them and the poor whites took this bate too". The scoundrel, This is so deceitful and it will finally hit home the jeopardy they have been put in for "life taking" against this hoax of a health plan and if this happens will they also be so angry to pick up arms and go after the "liar". Problem is someone is just too tired, too lax and too mind taxing to read the Healthcare Bill and take great effort to find out what the actual rules say. You just can't slide by and take what your preferences say in politics and religion. and guess what we will be held accountable for our excuses in all things. We were given a mind to learn and check see. Laziness is a big factor of ones actions. Peter was also lazy at the time of Jesus asked him to stay awake with him. Hmmm.
I can't imagine finding time to watch idiot false movies when we are going down. I am a born American Northern Heartland yankee talking redneck gun owning (for the varmints in my garden) wife and mother woman that lives on planet earth and I have responsibility to God, family, friends, community, and I try my best not to do each responsibility in
learning, knowing and giving the best of my time let alone the "hollywood versions" that are all stoned out, deviled out and led out to take the mind, body and soul of the weak in spirit. and I will not vote for anyone that has greed, and oppression for the weak and meek and takes the freedom of America that God so well planned for. But the "antichrist" is rising and so is the "Eagle". This does not look good! at this most troublesome time Black and White and all races will fight together..and against each other....until the "unity" of last Christians are taken home. So use a little commone sense here instead of the taxing duh.....thing. and I also notice Di, you use a lot of slang words in place for the common swear words. We all have to discipline our selves in many things here.
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Oh I won't be surprised, Horsethief. there is little that can happen there that can surprise me. And the republican don't have that direct power, but they have tapped into another more deadly. it is a shame that actually working together to fix the mess has yet to occur to them. Only thing is, it makes them all--republicans and democrats--look real bad. I don't know about other people but I am tired of it pretty much all looking the same. I like Obama, but I also know that any man who took office at this time was going to have major trouble, because none could overcome all of the partisanship and turn this mess around fast enough.
Princess Di... As we speak, the republicans are not in any majority. So they are powerless when it comes to blocking democratic proposals from becoming law, unless they caucus with DEMOCRATS. Obama took office 20 months ago. That's enough time to implement policies that could have reversed unemployment and changed the U.S. economy's direction. That hasn't happened...
So don't be surprised if Obama's party loses the house and the senate.
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Yep they are tapping into the people now instead of ignoring them. The people will be the ones to do the change this time instead of being led from the piper and liberal lying media. I believe they learned their lesson.
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Yep they are tapping into the people now instead of ignoring them. The people will be the ones to do the change this time instead of being led from the piper and liberal lying media. I believe they learned their lesson.
Di, don't get discouraged by what you see out of the people here. I said, before Obama got in office that there would be those with warped minds that would try and pend the current condition of things on Him. Tinka, is an example of the kind of crude and strange thinking that is going on in the minds of some people. No matter how much you try and reason with these people they will spin it to be exactly what they want it to be. Before she even penned her self portrait, red neck, gun totting, Yankee woman I could already envision it. She more than anyone feels entitled and probably longs for the "good old days." I remember years ago my mother telling me how she attended civil rights marches and how no amount of reasoning would melt the hearts of some bent on hatred and so consumed by it. There compassion for those less blessed or less gifted than themselves was almost completely gone. There were people who would go to see lynchings and make a picnic of it with their entire family present. And the bible records it "and the hearts of men will grow cold" and thus it is happening. And yet Di, the most troubling sign that we are in the end of time is that these people, that lack compassion and think they are entitled because of birth or skin colour, call themselves Christians. Take a good look at Tinka's attacks on Michelle that even encompass her looks and you can see clearly that hers is an unnatural hatred fueled by more than the current political situation.
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Well Christian, you can put any racial spin on this you want. But the American people aren't keen on unconstitutional policies that mandate them to buy health insurance. Not keen on higher taxes and exploding deficits. Not keen on an unemployment level that continues to rise in spite of trillions spent to stop it.
Obama and company aren't getting it done.
It's time for change...
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Well Christian, you can put any racial spin on this you want. But the American people aren't keen on unconstitutional policies that mandate them to buy health insurance. Not keen on higher taxes and exploding deficits. Not keen on an unemployment level that continues to rise in spite of trillions spent to stop it.
Obama and company aren't getting it done.
It's time for change...
The Americans have long since been mandated to carry insurance, you seem oblivious to that fact. I work at the hospital and it is mandatory that we carry insurance or we lose our job. For years it it has been mandatory for you to carry car insurance. And your taxes have been lower since Obama got it office; I can't even believe you said anything about taxes. And Obama hasn't been in office two years yet, no reasonable person would expect it to have been turned around completely by now. And the trillions of dollars that you are talking about are phased in and as of yet have not been spent. You are just using talking points that others have given you. You would be stupid enough to vote back in the people that got you in the mess in the beginning so that they can finish the job.
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I was reminded of your discussion here when I listened to a local radio program where people could call the station and discuss whatever they want to. I understand the talk master is a lawyer whose youth friend was a Seventh-day Adventist, who was killed in an automobile accident.
The first caller I heard was a Lutheran who was upset because the local slaughterhouse permitted a Muslim Imman to say a prayer over the lambs and calves as they were slaughtered in order to market the meat in the Middle East and for local Muslim consumption. This Lutheran said the Bible in Acts forbids him to eat any meat that has been offered to idols.
Then followed quite a discussion on meat, and fish, and the strange diet of Muslims. Since they all come from other countries they should just eat like the people do in the country where they are now like visitors.
Then a man called who said he had a male cousin who was a Seventh-day Adventist. He had tried in vain to convince him he should be eating pork, but he was not able to talk any sense into his head. He had two sisters, and one of them was an Adventist too, and she also had this strange notion against pork of any kind.
A lady called stating she could not eat meat at all because her blood was type A, so her diet consisted mainly of vegetarian food, and she loved to add lobsters and shrimps to her salads.
At other times capitalists call in to state that is the only way to live, and then come the Social Democrats who don't mind paying for the insurance on their cars.
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Discussion can get heated, and debate is good, but it will have to remain civil.
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I am against abortion and if the Democrats believe in a Womans rights- Now that a difference in semantics. A woman has a choice- She has LOTS of choices to NOT GET PREGNANT, even a MORNING AFTER PILL. Therfore ABORTION should NOT BE AN OPTION. So as long as a candidate runs on that ticket and believes that way, I can't vote for him. END OF STORY, ONCE AND FOR ALL :hot:
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Start a new thread if you all are going to talk about abortion...
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I am against abortion and if the Democrats believe in a Womans rights- Now that a difference in semantics. A woman has a choice- She has LOTS of choices to NOT GET PREGNANT, even a MORNING AFTER PILL. Therfore ABORTION should NOT BE AN OPTION. So as long as a candidate runs on that ticket and believes that way, I can't vote for him. END OF STORY, ONCE AND FOR ALL :hot:
Yes and a very narrow mind that has been colored by the thoughts of others. As long as the woman has her own body that will be an option she can consider or use. Some things must be left to personal choice because to not do so would put me in a position of controlling ones personnel being. I asked you who would you vote for, or maybe you don't vote at all? Because I can tell you that age and wisdom has let me know that everyone has a down side. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ABORTION EITHER, BUT I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE IN MY RIGHT TO CONTROL ANYONES BODY. FROM A THEOLOGICAL STANDPOINT I CAN BLELIEVE THAT CONSEFPTION STARTS AT THE ONSET WHICH WOULD EVEN MAKE THE MORNING AFTER PILL A SIN. But I have never tried to push my belief on anyone but rather I have tried to lead by example with my children and family. Statements like " She has lots of choices not to get pregnant" seems reasonable if we were robots, but we are not. What life and time teaches you is that we are fallible human beings all capable and probable of making mistakes. There is no reasonable explanation for sin except that we are fallible and incapable of rational thinking at times. But even God who is all wise and all knowing leaves us with certain inalienable rights even if they cause our demise or personal harm.
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A person could argue that on same principle, it is my money that I earned and it is not your right to take it way from me to give to a symbiotic creature who is unable to live except by taking from me. Also, they might be better off to die than to live a miserable exitence. Their body, my money.
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Unfortunately, Christian, far too many thought Pres. Obama would turn it around, like magic. There is no way anyone would have been able to do anything that quickly. I love talk shows and discussions on politics, etc. But sometimes, I just turn off my TV/radio, because I don't do remedial very well. Just no patience for it.
The Americans have long since been mandated to carry insurance, you seem oblivious to that fact. I work at the hospital and it is mandatory that we carry insurance or we lose our job. For years it it has been mandatory for you to carry car insurance. And your taxes have been lower since Obama got it office; I can't even believe you said anything about taxes. And Obama hasn't been in office two years yet, no reasonable person would expect it to have been turned around completely by now. And the trillions of dollars that you are talking about are phased in and as of yet have not been spent. You are just using talking points that others have given you. You would be stupid enough to vote back in the people that got you in the mess in the beginning so that they can finish the job.
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What she said! :pals:
Unfortunately, Christian, far too many thought Pres. Obama would turn it around, like magic. There is no way anyone would have been able to do anything that quickly. I love talk shows and discussions on politics, etc. But sometimes, I just turn off my TV/radio, because I don't do redial very well. Just no patience for it.
The Americans have long since been mandated to carry insurance, you seem oblivious to that fact. I work at the hospital and it is mandatory that we carry insurance or we lose our job. For years it it has been mandatory for you to carry car insurance. And your taxes have been lower since Obama got it office; I can't even believe you said anything about taxes. And Obama hasn't been in office two years yet, no reasonable person would expect it to have been turned around completely by now. And the trillions of dollars that you are talking about are phased in and as of yet have not been spent. You are just using talking points that others have given you. You would be stupid enough to vote back in the people that got you in the mess in the beginning so that they can finish the job.
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Christian, I have been voting since 1972, but I do not believe that allowing a woman to take the life of her unborn child complicates the sin she has already she committed. I have a step-sister who has used abortion as a means for birth control 6 times. That is absolutely wrong. I also do not want my tax dollars paying for abortion.I am 56 years old and the mother of 1 child. I have seen many women who should NOT have been mothers and others who SHOULD have been and couldn't. The laws on adoption in the US are totally MESSED UP. BUT, for all this, I still DON'T believe in abortion, sorry.
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You know mrst. I understand what you are saying completely! I also know of a few women who have used abortion like birth control, and do not believe that children should pay with their lives for the mistakes of adults. That is just sick. I also know that these women always seem, to me, scarred on some level. I won't go as far as Frank Perretti's book, "Tilly". but is just not right. I, personally, am against abortion and faced with a situation and in my right mind would never have one. However, on the other hand, I still have reservations about legislating this for women.
Christian, I have been voting since 1972, but I do not believe that allowing a woman to take the life of her unborn child complicates the sin she has already she committed. I have a step-sister who has used abortion as a means for birth control 6 times. That is absolutely wrong. I also do not want my tax dollars paying for abortion.I am 56 years old and the mother of 1 child. I have seen many women who should NOT have been mothers and others who SHOULD have been and couldn't. The laws on adoption in the US are totally MESSED UP. BUT, for all this, I still DON'T believe in abortion, sorry.
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Sometimes you have to legis late for the ignorance of ones own infirmities and the human moral laws for disrespect for another human being.
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> "THE BROOKS REPORT"
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> THANKS TO BEAVER, AND GUESS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SAID ABOUT
> SNOOPES FOR YEARS NOW, SO DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT SNOOPES REPORTS.
> VIRGINIA
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> pass it on
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> Subject: Bombshell!
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> The cream is starting to rise to the top! I just received this
> email and yep, I figured I had better pass it around. I have not
> trusted Snopes since I heard they were a man and a woman (MOM & POP)
> operation.
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> I have heard that Snopes doesn't always tell it right, slanted a bit
> to the left. fcd
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> JUDGE KAGAN REPRESENTED OBAMA IN ALL THE PETITIONS TO
> PROVE HIS CITIZENSHIP!!!!
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> How about them apples!!!!
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> I (fcd) went to Snopes to check this out and they said it was false
> and there were no such dockets so I googled the supreme court, typed
> in Obama Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it. Snopes lied.
> Everyone of those dockets are there.
> So Here is what I wrote Snopes:
> WND article about (Judge) Elena Kagan and Barak Obama dockets. The
> information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as
> claimed by WND and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I
> went directly to the Supreme courts website, typed in Obama Kagan
> and immediately came up with all of the dockets that WND made
> reference too. I have long suspected that you really slant things
> but this was really shocking.
> Thank You, I hope you will be much more truthful in the future,
> *************
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> Bet you didn't know this....
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> Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his
> citizenship. NOW she may help rule on them.
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> Folks, this stinks to the high heavens!!!!
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> Chicago Politics, and the beat goes on and on and on...
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> Once again the Senate sold us out.
> Well, someone figured out why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the
> Supreme Court.... Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the
> docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all
> the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of
> natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests
> were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting
> deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any
> longer.. It's all about payback time for those that compromised
> themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be
> there. We should be getting so sick of all of this nonsense.
> Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:
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> You can look up some of these hearings and guess what??
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> Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!!!
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> Check out these examples:
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> <http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm
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> http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm
> <http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm
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> http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm
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> http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/08-10382.htm
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Sure enough... same old backscratching system that keeps the big happy and the little hopeful by rotating the big people. "Someone new with words that resonate with us! This is great! He'll be different..." Again and again. Eistein's definition of insanity was trying the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
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It was not any of them who our expousing this currect junk! They have no credibility with me. Simple. They had nothing---NO THING--to say when the Bush administration was putting us in ALL of this mess. Now they want to talk when Obama can't fix the mess your preferred administration created.....give me a break!
I will begin with the fundementally heretical statement that BOTH PARTIES HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET US INTO THE MESS WE ALL SHARE TODAY. If you would like a history I shall be happy to open thine eyes to the truth of both parties, a picture that I can paint is red blood and trillions of wasted money that we all contribute too. And by the way, the current crisis really has its roots as far back as 1933, so be ready for a very hefty history. Since I teach a seminar on the subject and the the options to deal with the bloody mess for victims of the housing crisis, upon request I shall be happy to bore you with the details.
And I will continue my heresy with the clear assertiion that NEITHER PARTY HAS ANY ANSWER TO THE EMPIRE OF DEBT AND DEBTORS THAT WE HAVE SO DILIGENTLY PURSUED. And Adventism has just as diligently pursued the satanic "art of leverage", all contrary to the Good Counsel's of Ellen G. White 100 YEARS AGO!!!.
Now I will point to the statements of the Old Gray Haired Lady that wrote all those "Red Books" a/k/a "unread books" and point out that she not only predicted it over 100 years ago, but also gives very clear eschatology from here...and it ain't pretty, unless you hold firm to the truth and live "in the Blessed Hope".
AND NEITHER PARTY HAS ANY HOPE!!! THEY WILL SOON BOTH BE ANCIENT HISTORY!!!!
Think of that when you go to the poles and have to choose between two or three political heretics and punch a card or check a box for the lesser of the evil ones!!! Where will they be in the eschatology? Where will they put their vote when the National SUnday Law becomes an issue? And how will they stand when the death decree is the law of the WORLD??? Will they be in the caves and dungeons or a part of the vast majority of those who will be facing eternal destruction? I will suggest that most of those who have sufficient ego to actually pursue public office, and have substantial enough support, are all part of the problem and offer NO SOLUTIONS!!!
So, I invite you to continue your God given and, now, constitutional Right to banter, but keep it in perspecective that we now have a government that long since lost it's way (Yes, she even warned they would "abrogate the constitution") and does not have anyone's best interest at heart other than those they must swear allegiance to - to propogate their own careers and fantastical pensions. Then look at what they are doing with social security and ask the simple question...ARE THEY GOING TO RELY ON SOCIAL SECURITY FOR THEIR EARLY RETIREMENT PROGRAMS? If not, do they deserve my wasted time, effort and vote?
The answer should then lead you back to the big and little "UNREAD BOOKS" for the clear guidance on what we should be concerned with at this special day and time...
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Gailon,
God, His word and the "books" are the only sure thing we can go on now for any stability. We are instructed to fight for liberty as long as we can and I agree, the time is almost no more. and all the while the "justifications" of "ones own opinions" against the Word, the SP, prevails to high heaven. I can understand the instant tears of the "inspired writer" as this vision was given to her as the last day Adventists and the condition we would be in.
Right again, "the unread books" is so obvious. Nothing anyone can say to penetrate this mind set of disinterest of "last message" for this great time of trouble upon us in minutes or a day or maybe even a year of minutes. which is a very short time.
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For those who do not know about the "Isms" or their agenda. Read closely as they compare to what has been happening.
http://cootycat2.blogspot.com
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While I understand we are to occupy until He comes, when the choice on the ticket is Political Racketeer Republican, Political Racketeer Democrat and Political Racketeer Independent, you will see a bit of voter apathy and I will be chief of apathy...just simply cannot justify punching the chad or checking the box for politically corrupt persons in an era when honesty and simplicity CANNOT get on on the ticket, let alone elected. If one runs for a major salaried position, one must buy the support of one group or another and is not really free to vote their conscience. Therefore, since they must l;ack real integrity, I CANNOT CONSCIENCIOSLY GIVE THEM MY SUPPORT.
I saw a republican brochure yesterday proclaim he wanted to roll back income taxes and cut the sales tax in half, but in the next bullet statement he declared his unswerving support for RETURNING MORE "local aid" to his constituency towns. A classic example of promising to reduce the sum he takes from your pocket but he will also get more back into your pocket to cover local government....splain me why one would allow the state to collect taxes so they can send them back to the towns and villages to cover schools and emergency services??? Yes, build a huge centralized bureaucracy to collect taxes and I promise we will not keep any but return the money to local towns and villages...naive or stupid...or just plain a political liar trying to get elected so he can feed at the public trough. And he even promised to self impose term limits to six terms!!! Enough to make sure he is fully vested for a state pension program at 80% of salary.
Give me any salaried elected position and it is just a matter of time before we find out just how little real integrity the candidate really has.
Gaion Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I agree with all that. In fact we are now at a place in time where no mental stability,(understanding right from wrong) ryhme, or reason is left...but some still live to try to help ourselves and others...if possible with all the corruption to deal with among, communities, and church. Acorn was a sure premeditated thing for the last and we can only guess what is next. Lyle put it all in a nutshell yesterday. It can't go on and on and on.
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But to sit back and do nothing, allows the ones in office to do more of the same and I will not allow the ones that are blatantly doing what I can not stand to stay in office. The next man or woman may be no better, but come next election, he or she will not get my vote and I will try again. BUT, just MAYBE, the new person WILL do a better job and that's what I have to hope and pray for. That's why I vote.
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Meee too, If we don't vote then we have nothing to complain about and just work and let them take what they want when they want and for what they want. That is why I vote. If we don't slavery would have never stopped at least for the time being but seems it is now catching up again for the slaves of the gov. and it sure will not respect race over an other. We will be in it together.
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I'm hoping for a tidal wave in next month's election. One that has Obama's party in the minority. The combination of Reid, Pelosi and Obama in total power spells deepening debt and less recognition of who our enemies truly are.
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I have to admit that Acorn and other corruptions that cheat the vote is dampening on the spirit of voting....but I still take the responsibility of trying too. I do care what happens to others even if they do not realize when the "change" is up. It does look like a real "change" is coming. Not sure though any "change" will make a difference on what is coming because of "debt". We are paying a billion dollars a day just in interest. Hmmm, to China ????? You ought to see the link where Obama is making fun of Old testament Bible. Could not find a link to put on here. But the above link does show the Quaran texts. His actions match. Then setting in England a Muslim cleric states their flag will fly over the white house. Why is he so sure? Because the "Trojan Horse already is! Can you imagine that if he would have sat in America and said that? Maybe then people would have woke up to reality. It was only broadcast a little. The comparison of Communism and Muslim is the same meaning in the above link. This is for real and "America" was sleeping........
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I have to admit that Acorn and other corruptions that cheat the vote is dampening on the spirit of voting....
Tinka, the Acorn "corruptions" turned out not to be true. It was an evil, Republican-sponsored, right-wing, smear campaign. Be sure to admit that, too, while you are busy admitting things. It's sort of disheartening when I see a website with the title political facts happening and then I see what appears to be a thumbs-up endorsement of a smear campaign.
Tinka, if you go to the Acorn Web site -- or elsewhere-- the complete explanation is out there, as elsewhere. Emphasis is mine:
http://www.acorn.org/node/693
ACORN, a national network of community organizations has conducted campaigns to win living wages for low income workers; an end to predatory financial practices and foreclosures; decent and affordable housing, for first time homebuyers and tenants; better public schools; voting rights; a path to citizenship for new immigrants to this country; and an equitable response to natural disasters such as Katrina.
The organization came under attack from Republicans after it helped millions of mostly minority and low-income citizens apply to register to vote in recent years. The attacks escalated in September, 2009 after a video sting operation by conservative activists led to a Congressional vote to "defund" the group. The controversy sapped the organization's resources and hampered its fundraising. On March 1, 2010 Brooklyn prosecutors on Monday cleared ACORN of criminal wrongdoing after a four-month probe triggered by the films produced by undercover conservative activists. "They edited the tape to meet their agenda," a source in the District Attorney's office told the New York Daily News.
On March 10th Federal judge Nina Gershon again declared unconstitutional the federal law which blacklisted ACORN and allied organizations. The judge ordered government to make it clear the funding isn't blocked. Last year an independent report by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger examining the undercover videos filmed in offices of the national anti-poverty group ACORN states the employees portrayed in the videos did not engage in any illegal activity. Another study by the Congressional Research Service cleared the group of charges leveled by right wing activist hostile to its voter registration work and stated that there were no instances were identified in which ACORN "violated the terms of federal funding in the last five years."
Contact: Kevin Whelan, kwhelan(at)acorn.org
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I'm hoping for a tidal wave in next month's election. One that has Obama's party in the minority. The combination of Reid, Pelosi and Obama in total power spells deepening debt and less recognition of who our enemies truly are.
President Bill Clinton left a budget surplus when he left office. Republicans choose to forget that it was a Democratic Party president that did that. Republican President George W. Bush subsequently turned that surplus into massive debt.
As for the tidal wave, President Obama is not running in the next election. So, even if Republicans gain seats in either house, Republicans do not have the power to override any veto from the President of the United States. Therefore, there won't be any "tidal wave" in the Congress for the next two years as far as legislation is concerned.
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Grasshopper... President Clinton did come up with a surplus under his administration, which was the right goal to strive for. But what many don't take time to do understand is how he got that surplus. He financed a large chunk of that with short-term bonds of 7, 8, 10 years. Made his administration look rosey, but those bonds came due in 2001-2008. Those bonds had to be paid up, which was left to the next administration. Take into account the fact that there was, at these times specified, a cyclic recession, an attack on our homeland, a war, a crippling hurricane. All costly occurrences. So I believe it's understood, considering these events which were not forseen by anyone, why the Bush administration had to revert to deficit spending and not be able to keep up any surplus in federal revenue.
Clinton was doing his part in moving the nation toward fiscal solvency. He didn't forsee the coming events. He got the surplus, but he could have said publicly that those short-term bonds are coming due soon, so brace yourself and be ready to pay for them. A large part of the economic success of the '90's though was Clinton's agreeance with the GOP congress to 350 billion in tax reductions in 1997. So to claim that the economic progress of the 1990's was the glory of one man and one party is very short-sighted.
The intentions of the last 2 administrations (Clinton and Bush) were toward fiscal solvency. Neither were without fault, but neither can be blamed for being slothful or negligent when it came to the nation's fiscal health
President Obama has spent nearly one trillion in an effort to stimulate the US economy and to check and reduce unemployment. It's been 19 months and the situation remains bleak and appears to be getting bleaker. One-party rule in our country is not working at our present time. Obama needs a check and balance for the health of the nation.
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I have to admit that Acorn and other corruptions that cheat the vote is dampening on the spirit of voting....
Tinka, the Acorn "corruptions" turned out not to be true. It was an evil, Republican-sponsored, right-wing, smear campaign. Be sure to admit that, too, while you are busy admitting things. It's sort of disheartening when I see a website with the title political facts happening and then I see what appears to be a thumbs-up endorsement of a smear campaign.
Tinka, if you go to the Acorn Web site -- or elsewhere-- the complete explanation is out there, as elsewhere. Emphasis is mine:
http://www.acorn.org/node/693
ACORN, a national network of community organizations has conducted campaigns to win living wages for low income workers; an end to predatory financial practices and foreclosures; decent and affordable housing, for first time homebuyers and tenants; better public schools; voting rights; a path to citizenship for new immigrants to this country; and an equitable response to natural disasters such as Katrina.
The organization came under attack from Republicans after it helped millions of mostly minority and low-income citizens apply to register to vote in recent years. The attacks escalated in September, 2009 after a video sting operation by conservative activists led to a Congressional vote to "defund" the group. The controversy sapped the organization's resources and hampered its fundraising. On March 1, 2010 Brooklyn prosecutors on Monday cleared ACORN of criminal wrongdoing after a four-month probe triggered by the films produced by undercover conservative activists. "They edited the tape to meet their agenda," a source in the District Attorney's office told the New York Daily News.
On March 10th Federal judge Nina Gershon again declared unconstitutional the federal law which blacklisted ACORN and allied organizations. The judge ordered government to make it clear the funding isn't blocked. Last year an independent report by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger examining the undercover videos filmed in offices of the national anti-poverty group ACORN states the employees portrayed in the videos did not engage in any illegal activity. Another study by the Congressional Research Service cleared the group of charges leveled by right wing activist hostile to its voter registration work and stated that there were no instances were identified in which ACORN "violated the terms of federal funding in the last five years."
Contact: Kevin Whelan, kwhelan(at)acorn.org
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Why would anyone think that contributors and members of Acorn are going to throw out the truth? You need to watch cspan and the hearings in investigation to begin of the Black Panthers intimidating the voters with connections to Acorn. Don't know what you listen to but ---the liars themselves. Obama was in on the beginning of creating Acorn for His future intended premeditated voting strategy :ROFL: Watch any of the undercover videos?? The hearings you did not listen too in Congress?
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Sorry to rain on a grasshopper, but we did investigate very thoroughly ACORN at the turn of this century. Perhaps you would love to know that the finest example of ACORN good intentions being corrupted was linked to our President (Barack Obama) and the Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick.
In the late nineties ACORN sued Ameriquest, the KING OF PREDATORY LENDING for targeting minorities with high cost loans. Patrick and Obama were players in the litigation effort. Ameriquest made an offer any corrupt lawyer could not reject and included loads of money for affordable housing for minorities to be adminitered by ACORN, seats on the Ameriquest Board and Patrick took one, complete with excellent pay (six digits for the few annual meetings and lots of stock options) not to mention a share of the Ameriquest profits annually to ACORN for perpetuating there agenda. Patrick became a millionaire, and come to think of it, so did Obama...not bad for a couple of community oganizers that worked for non-profits.
Sad ending, Ameriquest moved on to become the largest and most corrupt national lender in american history known for granting loans indiscrimiately designed to fail then would spin them into one bad loan after another until the equity was completely stolen, resulting in foreclosure. I can site one pathetic story after another of the dozens of interviews and statements taken for the class action lawsuit against Ameriquest and its' subsidiaries. Ameriquest, AMC, ARGENT, and Town & Country lending all went into a tailspin when 14 attorney generals finally joined the fray and AMC (the remainder and servicer) sold out to CITICORP with a little push from the just elected Mass Governor.
Any time you mix loads of money into politics and bureaucracy it is the perfect mix for wholesale corruption and ACORN had MANY issues. Just like the Federal, State and city governments are rife with corruption. once corruption sets in you will find a trail of waste and dirty deals where the few insiders get rich and WE PAY!!! But nothing really gets done and there is little benefit to the stockholders/voters.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I just return from overseas in Kenya for three weeks. It is normal for the politician to lay all the blame at the feet of the person in office in hopes that he will get elelcted. WHat is so amazing now is the fact that the very same corruption will go on after the election because most people cannot see someone trying to make things better if their eye is blinded by things outside the issue. How stupid is it for a Christian to complain about providing healthcare for people that in most cases work harder than the normal American.
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All is now understandable whats wrong with you, :ROFL: No wonder their is so much trouble where you just came from. This is America Bub!
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In a recent analysis of the American situation by a conservative -supporting the Republicans - European Business newpaper they state that Obama seems prepared to work with a Republican Congress. The reason given is that Obama is the most straightforward and least corrupted president the Unites States has had in decades, and he seems to be willing to work with any honest Republicans.
The readers of "Business" are also the European businessmen who are used to dealing with American businesses and banks. What do you think of their analysis?
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Now Johann, (smile)
:ROFL: a president that born the Acorn? Won't prove his background, has horrible habits, wrong friends,and backs a now mostly read Health Care agenda that scared the pants off the readers and where else can he go now- when the public smart, rich and poor has caught his drift. He's out with Americans except the ones that have "spread the wealth" disease. To tell you the truth, I am wore out working for the non working and guess what after working have nothing left.
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I was merely giving you an idea of how some of the friends of the Republicans evaluate the present situation. You might not agree with them, and that is your right.
This question might be a difficult one:
If you were a minister of the Gospel and a Democrat would request baptism, would you demand he become a Republican before he could be baptized?
Or if your political conviction is the opposite, would you require a Republican baptismal candidate become a Democrat before he could be baptized?
Is it difficult for Republicans and Democrats to enjoy fellowship together in the same church?
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Dear Johann,
(smile) first of all I would not ever be a pastor because I am a woman. a helper yes, a worker yes, a teacher maybe, a listener yes, but this question in this political mess is neither irrevelant anymore for either party. It makes no difference whether you are republican or democrat to be baptised. The difference to be baptised is whether you follow the example of living, giving and the doing the commandmants of Jesus and show his love and care.
Johann, the system is corrupted everywhere and each party. Really what is happening is the Nation is taking sides "containg" the names of Republican or Democrat under the banners now of conservative or liberal. Sorry to say but it seems that the liberals are taking the side of ones own opinions narrowing down to "Share the wealth forcefully and the conservative are taking the side "share the wealth voluntarily". To me it no longer seems that it is just a politial division when religious division is coming into play big time from a couple of different angles.
But if a person was to be baptised into SDA, I am sure their desires would be in unity. Unity is the key to it for all SDA. So if there are some that become very liberal --the wheat and tares will soon be discovered as time goes on and usually the unconverted lead off into the liberal agenda of justifications and their own likings whether they be Republicans or Democrats. You know the Democrats long time ago did have a good agenda. Times have changed and the separation of people are beginning to show to the far left and to the far right. I know exactely what the far right will do in the end. But the far left is already doing it.... So I do not worry about that except once they get baptised into the message and leave it or change it,,,,,you know the story. Sad. Either way we are in for the "prophecy". All I know is we are to fight for liberty until the end.
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Johann,
I think most Christians tend not to discuss politics that are very heated within the church. We agree to disagree :ROFL: Politics can get very heated, in the US,as if you haven't noticed by reading on these sites. I come from 2 families- my fathers side was staunch Democrats and my Mothers side was staunch Republicans. Each believed that their side was for the common poor people. Obviously, someone was wrong- but neither could be persuaded- funny thing is both were from WV and both were from the same County :ROFL:
As far as baptizing - I don't think that's a question any pastor asks- as least I wasn't asked that- of course I was baptised as a Church of God and my husband was baptized as a Baptist
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I just return from overseas in Kenya for three weeks. It is normal for the politician to lay all the blame at the feet of the person in office in hopes that he will get elelcted. WHat is so amazing now is the fact that the very same corruption will go on after the election because most people cannot see someone trying to make things better if their eye is blinded by things outside the issue. How stupid is it for a Christian to complain about providing healthcare for people that in most cases work harder than the normal American.
Kenya, right? The roots of the American President...now, just how does Kenya fund health-care...and is it equally available, or do they have to wait for the missionary plane, boat or other traveling generous foreign medical missionaries? And have you noticed the life expectancy? Even of babies? And children? And how about the AIDS issue???
It is preposterous for someone to claim that healthcare has not been available to the entire populous, legal and otherwise, since the creation of the Hill-Burton Medical Facility funding program. And frankly the old doc's tried their best to make medical services available to everyone in town prior to that.
Having worked in an Emergency Room for five years, I can tell you that in the 1970's we provided care to every person who walked up to the desk or was carried in on a litter, regardless of race, sex, religion, age, sexual preference or economic status, and many did not have ANY insurance card. Our illegals were more likely canadians, frequently coming into the US for REAL medical care, from improperly set "collies fractures" to mis-diagnosis of cancer and other diseases, or to get care a bit faster than the waiting line in Three Rivers, Montreal and Quebec..
I would much prefer the prior "free choice" medical care program than a medical care program that is sure to leave us relying upon some bloody government bureaucrat to determine if care is available and if I am worth saving. And the cost of healthcare is about to sky-rocket while this joker from Kenya redistributes healthcare, wealth and freedom!!! I propose that we redistribute him back to his roots so he can better appreciate American Freedoms.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter.
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I just return from overseas in Kenya for three weeks. It is normal for the politician to lay all the blame at the feet of the person in office in hopes that he will get elected. WHat is so amazing now is the fact that the very same corruption will go on after the election because most people cannot see someone trying to make things better if their eye is blinded by things outside the issue. How stupid is it for a Christian to complain about providing healthcare for people that in most cases work harder than the normal American.
Kenya, right? The roots of the American President...now, just how does Kenya fund health-care...and is it equally available, or do they have to wait for the missionary plane, boat or other traveling generous foreign medical missionaries? And have you noticed the life expectancy? Even of babies? And children? And how about the AIDS issue???
It is preposterous for someone to claim that healthcare has not been available to the entire populous, legal and otherwise, since the creation of the Hill-Burton Medical Facility funding program. And frankly the old doc's tried their best to make medical services available to everyone in town prior to that.
Having worked in an Emergency Room for five years, I can tell you that in the 1970's we provided care to every person who walked up to the desk or was carried in on a litter, regardless of race, sex, religion, age, sexual preference or economic status, and many did not have ANY insurance card. Our illegals were more likely canadians, frequently coming into the US for REAL medical care, from improperly set "collies fractures" to mis-diagnosis of cancer and other diseases, or to get care a bit faster than the waiting line in Three Rivers, Montreal and Quebec..
I would much prefer the prior "free choice" medical care program than a medical care program that is sure to leave us relying upon some bloody government bureaucrat to determine if care is available and if I am worth saving. And the cost of healthcare is about to sky-rocket while this joker from Kenya redistributes healthcare, wealth and freedom!!! I propose that we redistribute him back to his roots so he can better appreciate American Freedoms.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter.
Perhaps you misunderstood what I was trying to say. First, I was only referring to Kenya as the reason I have not been on here (advent talk) for a while. Secondly I never said anything about Kenya's health care system. And you would be an idiot if you ever thought I said that people could not get medical care here in America. SECONDLY, YOU WOULD BE AND IDOIT IF YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE ALWAYS MAKING FREE CHOICE FOR MEDICAL CARE, THOSE DAYS ARE LONG GONE. PRESENTLY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES DETERMINE HOW LONG AND HOW MUCH TREATMENT IS APPROPRIATE.
And your racist statement of the fact that the Presidents roots are in Kenya actually have no bases of fact as to his political persuasion or way of Governing. As for Kenya they do not provide free or Governmental Health care, nor has anyone ever implied anyting of that nature.
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My oh my Christian.. You are back with a vengeance!
Now is Gailon an idiot and a racist because he holds a different viewpoint than yours?
Or is it because you can see into the depths of his heart and mind and make that determination?
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I only voted once in the United States, and that was for Ike. Anyone remember him? :usa:
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Yep, I do but was not old enough I think to vote.
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What I read is that Kenya, Obama and Sebastian have the same mind thoughts and agendas and living and traveling back to it shows roots. How did this amazing :horse: "Trojan Horse" enter in... and "mannipulate" the most time feeding of history.
I think Seb is closer to this then we know...as he see's young, young gracing inside the "White House"! or is it "fasination and obsession of such beauty".
Hmmm, fired our guns and the :horse:s kept a runnin. Ran through the brambles and the bushes where the :rabbit: would'nt go, ran so fast..clear to the Gulf of Mexica. :ROFL: Obvious that Seb don't get it.
What I get is it took a Conspired amount of backing to roll in the "Trojan" while U. S forgot History of Bibical tactics.
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>
> "THE BROOKS REPORT"
>
> THANKS TO ISABELLE
>
> READ--H. R. 4646 (Oh, they wouldn't do that!!)
> Don't forget to read S.501, if passed this will take away the rights
> to sell any veg. or farm product off your property or at a farm
> market. My sister said they reported this in her paper today...
>
> Hope you all know about this one.... I would think it's easier to
> stop a train before it starts than to stop it after it's moving.
>
>
> THEY ONLY WANT OUR BEST AT HEART!
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
> I typed this into my BING BAR just to see if it was true....it is!
>
> PLEASE PASS THIS ONE ON AND CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSPERSON OR SENATOR
> AND TELL THEM TO PUT IT DOWN!!! THIS IS JUST ONE MORE REASON WE
> NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE THIS COMING NOV. 2 - SO GET OFF YOUR CANS AND
> VOTE!!!
>
>
> -FOLKS YOU NEED TO GOOGLE THE BILL NUMBER...IT IS UNBELIEVABLE
>
> H. R. 4646
>
> I have gone into THOMAS (Library of Congress) and printed out and
> read all 15 pages of this bill which has been given the "Short
> Title" of "Debt Free America Act." It is the most socialistic thing
> I have ever read. Just think, if you deposit $5,000.00 into your
> checking account or savings account the bank has to take out 1% or
> $50.00 of that money and send it to Washington. Then, any checks or
> cash you take out of your bank they will deduct 1% from what is
> still in the bank and send it to Washington. Total put in the Bank
> $5,000.00. $100.00 of that you give to Washington.
>
> This bill, spells it out that everyone will pay the Government 1% of
> their gross income.
> Page 9 states the House and Senate shall convene not later than
> November 23, 2010 and Page 11 states the vote on passage shall occur
> not later than December 23, 2010.
> SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO CONTACT THEIR
> CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR AND TELL THEM TO VOTE NO ON THIS BILL.
>
> If you don't know who your Congressman or Senator is, go to Google,
> type in "(your state) Congressman email address". When it comes up,
> click on "Complete E-mail address for Congress/House, Senate,
> Governors and get both e-mail and FAX info.
>
> The bill is HR-4646 introduced by US Rep Peter DeFazio D-Oregon and
> US Senator Tom Harkin D-Iowa. It is now in committee and will
> probably not be brought out until after the Nov. elections. Suggest
> that you pass this along and also to your state senator and
> representative and US Congressman and Senators.
>
> One percent transaction tax is proposed
> President Obama's finance team is recommending a transaction tax.
> His plan is to sneak it in after the November election to keep it
> under the radar. This is a 1% tax on all transactions at any
> financial institution i. e. Banks, Credit Unions, etc.. Any deposit
> you make, or move around within your account, i. e. transfer to,
> will have a 1% tax charged. If your pay check or your social
> Security or whatever is direct deposit, 1% tax charged. If you hand
> carry a check in to deposit, 1% tax charged, If you take cash in to
> deposit, 1% tax charged. This is from the man who promised that if
> you make under $250,000 per year, you will not see one penny of new
> tax. Keep your eyes and ears open, you will be amazed at what you
> learn.
> Some will say aw it's just 1%... remember once the tax is there they
can raise it at will.
http://www.standard.net/node/44797
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What I read is that Kenya, Obama and Sebastian have the same mind thoughts and agendas and living and traveling back to it shows roots. How did this amazing :horse: "Trojan Horse" enter in... and "mannipulate" the most time feeding of history.
I think Seb is closer to this then we know...as he see's young, young gracing inside the "White House"! or is it "fasination and obsession of such beauty".
Hmmm, fired our guns and the :horse:s kept a runnin. Ran through the brambles and the bushes where the :rabbit: would'nt go, ran so fast..clear to the Gulf of Mexica. :ROFL: Obvious that Seb don't get it.
What I get is it took a Conspired amount of backing to roll in the "Trojan" while U. S forgot History of Bibical tactics.
Well, ****** you read wrong, it is obvious that you cannot read. What has me traveling to Kenya have anything to do with it? I have not commentd at all on Kenya"s financial or political state. So, you have something against the country of Kenya? Tell me what your beef is with them since I have not commented on them and Obama never lived there?
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What I read is that Kenya, Obama and Sebastian have the same mind thoughts and agendas and living and traveling back to it shows roots. How did this amazing :horse: "Trojan Horse" enter in... and "mannipulate" the most time feeding of history.
I think Seb is closer to this then we know...as he see's young, young gracing inside the "White House"! or is it "fasination and obsession of such beauty".
Hmmm, fired our guns and the :horse:s kept a runnin. Ran through the brambles and the bushes where the :rabbit: would'nt go, ran so fast..clear to the Gulf of Mexica. :ROFL: Obvious that Seb don't get it.
What I get is it took a Conspired amount of backing to roll in the "Trojan" while U. S forgot History of Bibical tactics.
Well, ****** you read wrong, it is obvious that you cannot read. What has me traveling to Kenya have anything to do with it? I have not commentd at all on Kenya"s financial or political state. So, you have something against the country of Kenya? Tell me what your beef is with them since I have not commented on them and Obama never lived there?
Obama is an un-american muslim. End of story. It is people with ignorance such as you that elected him! I am glad that you think "Islam and Muslims" are our friend. Sorry, but you are dead wrong. I believe that Obama is the anti-Christ himself. If you don't think so watch and see.....and if he's not he's the devils helpmate! And you Christian and everyone else who voted for him have no one else to blame..when the ignorance of people such as you who voted him in comes back to bite us in the back end!
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I only voted once in the United States, and that was for Ike. Anyone remember him? :usa:
Interesting, you must have citizenship for both countries to vote. ? I thought maybe you were just Norwegian and here for a while working for SDA. or maybe the other way around American and living there. Only been out of country once to SA but vowed I would never leave these shores again. Don't like the volcanos, the ocean or want to touch anything in it, or the mountains whats in it. (laugh). Guess we might be in the "earthquake" area but had very very little. Just so attached to the "little" hilly or flat plains of corn, golden wheat and smelling the hay and freshly plowed earth. Mountains are pretty but that is it for me. So who knows where one would run to away from this mess but ride er down, but maybe I won't have to worry about it. But things seems to be movin right along don't you think?
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That is the end of your story. If you believe something to justify your own stupidity that is fine but others do not have to except that. The truth of the matter is that Idiots voted in Bush and the like and this is the result. As for whether Obama is the anti-christ maybe you have some inside connections that I am not aware of. I on the otherhand will continue to pray for the president that Gods will will be done through him.
What I read is that Kenya, Obama and Sebastian have the same mind thoughts and agendas and living and traveling back to it shows roots. How did this amazing :horse: "Trojan Horse" enter in... and "mannipulate" the most time feeding of history.
I think Seb is closer to this then we know...as he see's young, young gracing inside the "White House"! or is it "fasination and obsession of such beauty".
Hmmm, fired our guns and the :horse:s kept a runnin. Ran through the brambles and the bushes where the :rabbit: would'nt go, ran so fast..clear to the Gulf of Mexica. :ROFL: Obvious that Seb don't get it.
What I get is it took a Conspired amount of backing to roll in the "Trojan" while U. S forgot History of Bibical tactics.
Well, ****** you read wrong, it is obvious that you cannot read. What has me traveling to Kenya have anything to do with it? I have not commentd at all on Kenya"s financial or political state. So, you have something against the country of Kenya? Tell me what your beef is with them since I have not commented on them and Obama never lived there?
Obama is an un-american muslim. End of story. It is people with ignorance such as you that elected him! I am glad that you think "Islam and Muslims" are our friend. Sorry, but you are dead wrong. I believe that Obama is the anti-Christ himself. If you don't think so watch and see.....and if he's not he's the devils helpmate! And you Christian and everyone else who voted for him have no one else to blame..when the ignorance of people such as you who voted him in comes back to bite us in the back end!
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Once again, Christian, you come on here to insult the people who disagree with you. You will never convince anyone or draw them to your viewpoint as long as you do that...
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Good point. Nor will anyone else, no matter what side of the political fence they graze. Wild-eyed rants, by their very nature, overshadow any substance or thought-provoking points that may have reflected some merit. They make the person engaging in the rant look foolish, which in turn makes their view, however noble and substantial it may be, look foolish too. The person who has fact and substance behind them will also have security. Security is reflected in calm and rationale. Fear and insecurity in a point results in frantic name calling and incoherent shouting.
Once again, Christian, you come on here to insult the people who disagree with you. You will never convince anyone or draw them to your viewpoint as long as you do that...
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Good point. Nor will anyone else, no matter what side of the political fence they graze. Wild-eyed rants, by their very nature, overshadow any substance or thought-provoking points that may have reflected some merit. They make the person engaging in the rant look foolish, which in turn makes their view, however noble and substantial it may be, look foolish too. The person who has fact and substance behind them will also have security. Security is reflected in calm and rationale. Fear and insecurity in a point results in frantic name calling and incoherent shouting.
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>
> The Possum, 10/20/10
>
>
>
> This lady spoke ON THE RADIO ON A CONSERVATIVE PROGRAM. HER LIFE
> HAS BEEN THREATENED AND SHE SAID SHE KNEW SHE WOULD EVENTUALLY BE
> KILLED, BUT IS VERY VOCAL IN TELLING THE TRUTH AND WARNing CHRISTIANS.
>
> ----Original Message-----
>
>
> 20 years from now, I will be in Heaven --bye !!
>
> This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.
>
> This is not hearsay, and it will scare the life out of you.
> Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end.
>
> Joys of Muslim Women
> by Nonie Darwish
>
> In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1
> year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the
> marriage by 9.
> The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who
> becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the
> woman, to use her as a toy.
>
> Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.
> To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
> Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family
> and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to
> execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family.
> Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say
> why he has beaten her.
>
> The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for
> an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.
>
> The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public
> life of the woman.
>
> In the West World ( America ) Muslim men are starting to demand
> Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have
> full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how
> many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities
> are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their
> children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
>
> By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a
> slave under Shariah Law. Ripping the West in Two.
> Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists
> is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and
> liberty in two.
>
> She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The
> Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
>
> Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza
> before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old.
> Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a
> high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in
> Gaza .
>
> When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His
> posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position
> in Muslim society.
>
> But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She
> questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.. She converted to
> Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
>
> In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what
> it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.
>
> For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose
> sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be
> destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a
> respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia)
> teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.
>
> Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as
> assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in theMiddle East and
> eventually in the world.
>
> While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some
> form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one
> for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal
> practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of
> humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.
>
> While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people
> developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God,
> Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that
> could be interpreted as criticism.
>
> It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars
> agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim
> should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is
> common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the
> Middle East are silenced through intimidation.
>
> While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious
> tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being
> used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her
> native Egypt and elsewhere.
>
> (In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S.
> to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do
> so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the
> USA .. Dearborn Mich. is one... and there are others...)
>
> I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but
> with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized,
> unless each of us sends it on!
>
> It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and
> Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. some may be but they
> have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam..
> the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind
> of patriotism to their religion. While America is getting rid of
> Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of
> children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America ..
>
> This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your
> email list or at least those you think will listen..
>
> Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT!
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THESE POSTINGS ARE MOST DIABOLICAL. We have the prophecy of the bible and it is clear that it is America that will act as a Dragon. While it is true that Islam is a threat it is the religious zealots that I worry about more. These post are meant to tie the president to Islam even though it is noted that he is of the Christian belief. We have the dark ages perputrated not by Muslims but by Christians having there on Ji had. And of all people adventist should know the history not of the muslims but of the first supposed Christian churches. Millions upon millions died during the dark ages not in the name of muslims but under the banner of Christianity. The nut cases on here still perisist in labeling the President a Muslem because they have runed the country and now want someone to blame it on. But I am praying for the president now even as I was forced to pray for the president that preceeded him that this gospel will be preached unto all the world and then the end shall come. As for the lovely Michelle Obama and Barak Obama may God continue to use them for his purposes. And may the idiots, extremist and nut cases scream and holla while Gods will is being done.
>
> The Possum, 10/20/10
>
>
>
> This lady spoke ON THE RADIO ON A CONSERVATIVE PROGRAM. HER LIFE
> HAS BEEN THREATENED AND SHE SAID SHE KNEW SHE WOULD EVENTUALLY BE
> KILLED, BUT IS VERY VOCAL IN TELLING THE TRUTH AND WARNing CHRISTIANS.
>
> ----Original Message-----
>
>
> 20 years from now, I will be in Heaven --bye !!
>
> This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.
>
> This is not hearsay, and it will scare the life out of you.
> Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end.
>
> Joys of Muslim Women
> by Nonie Darwish
>
> In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1
> year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the
> marriage by 9.
> The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who
> becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the
> woman, to use her as a toy.
>
> Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.
> To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
> Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family
> and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to
> execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family.
> Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say
> why he has beaten her.
>
> The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for
> an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.
>
> The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public
> life of the woman.
>
> In the West World ( America ) Muslim men are starting to demand
> Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have
> full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how
> many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities
> are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their
> children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
>
> By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a
> slave under Shariah Law. Ripping the West in Two.
> Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists
> is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and
> liberty in two.
>
> She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The
> Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
>
> Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza
> before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old.
> Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a
> high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in
> Gaza .
>
> When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His
> posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position
> in Muslim society.
>
> But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She
> questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.. She converted to
> Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
>
> In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what
> it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.
>
> For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose
> sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be
> destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a
> respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia)
> teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.
>
> Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as
> assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in theMiddle East and
> eventually in the world.
>
> While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some
> form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one
> for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal
> practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of
> humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.
>
> While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people
> developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God,
> Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that
> could be interpreted as criticism.
>
> It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars
> agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim
> should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is
> common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the
> Middle East are silenced through intimidation.
>
> While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious
> tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being
> used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her
> native Egypt and elsewhere.
>
> (In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S.
> to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do
> so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the
> USA .. Dearborn Mich. is one... and there are others...)
>
> I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but
> with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized,
> unless each of us sends it on!
>
> It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and
> Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. some may be but they
> have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam..
> the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind
> of patriotism to their religion. While America is getting rid of
> Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of
> children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America ..
>
> This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your
> email list or at least those you think will listen..
>
> Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT!
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It is the classic turning of the wheel of time. To date, more blood has been spilled in the name of Jesus Christ than any other deity in recorded human history. I now appears the Muslims are anxious to beat that ignominious record in the name of Allah. However, the move to "bring America back to God" is alarming. No faction that ever ruled by "divine right" has ever been anything less than tyrranical. As I listen to the words and desires of the people who are pushing for what would be a veritable American Theocracy, I see absolutely no difference between them and the muslim extremists. Though they will deny it, fundamentally they worship the same God, and follow the same principles. They are two sides of the same coin. Neither holds any moral or spiritual superiority over the other, as they are the same thing.
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It is the classic turning of the wheel of time. To date, more blood has been spilled in the name of Jesus Christ than any other deity in recorded human history. I now appears the Muslims are anxious to beat that ignominious record in the name of Allah. However, the move to "bring America back to God" is alarming. No faction that ever ruled by "divine right" has ever been anything less than tyrranical. As I listen to the words and desires of the people who are pushing for what would be a veritable American Theocracy, I see absolutely no difference between them and the muslim extremists. Though they will deny it, fundamentally they worship the same God, and follow the same principles. They are two sides of the same coin. Neither holds any moral or spiritual superiority over the other, as they are the same thing.
Thank goodness, finally someone is thinking. This is an Adventist forum and we have the God given writings of Ellen G. White. In no uncertain terms she lets us know that the Sunday Blue laws and the like, religious persecution etc... come from the prodistant and Catholics uniting together. The mark of the beast and the end of time all are a culmination of the Christian religion and not the Muslims. But religious freedom and separation of church and state are a must if this gospel is to be preached into all the world. "Two sides of the same coin" are an appropriate description of them. In there hate filled speeches and finger pointing they are masking there overall plan that of total domination of the conscience of men and women in the name of religion.
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Take your wild speach to the American streets and see what happens to ya. They are already joined at the hip.
Kenya...confiscate ships for ranson, take, take, take. Obama, take take, take. Money for the jihad.
I also know what EGW says.
Sebastian, obsessed, obsessed, obesessed.
EGW, fight for freedom till the end.
Muslims guided are the killers of 911. Muslims will be under the banner of joined at the hip of the most evil that is instilled in them for their belief of the Quaran and the brother out of wedlock desendants. The wild people used in the end to inflict persecution in the end to the remanant with the guidance of the anti Christ formed above the wild of the world.
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These discussions are getting too far away from our purpose, so I have locked this topic for now.
Johann, Admin Team
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I realize some of the sentiments you have expressed reflect what it going on in the present political campaign.
If you can manage to keep it civil I have nothing against you opening a new topic - as long as you keep the discussion at a balanced level.