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Title: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: SDAminister on February 27, 2009, 03:19:32 PM

This was being chatted about elsewhere but haven't seen it here on this forum yet. For those interested: http://www.3abnvjoy.com/

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Fran on February 27, 2009, 10:32:00 PM

In reading documents I am amazed at the many times 1998 keeps popping up.

I wonder how many more things happened at 3ABN and with Danny Shelton in 1998.  e-Bay was started. Bank records were going way back in 1998. 

It makes me wonder about D & L and DSL Publishing.  Just where were they receiving income from way back in 1998-2002?  It is clear he had income from somewhere since the bank account goes back to 1998. 

Lets say I open a store on eBay.  What bank would I use?  I would pick one close where I could go into the bank and do business.  I would not pick a bank 1/2 way across America to use as my bank account. 

Maybe I would if I were trying to avoid taxes (State and/or Federal).  I would surely pick a state with no income tax.  Texas is closer that MN!  If I were trying to hide income, why so far away?   Maybe MN was chosen because it was 1/2 way between him and where he received income?  Maybe it as so Walt could do Danny's banking?

Maybe Garwin McNeilus recommended it to Danny.  If that is the case, Garwin must have been aware that he was receiving income.  Maybe it was Walt!  Someone else knew!

Where did Danny's extra income go before 1998?

I just read how hard the lawyers worked to keep Bob and Gailon from seeing those records!  If all was above board and kosher, why would they be trying so hard to hide the facts.  Every time I read something new, I see where Danny is not a provider of documents!  In fact, he never provides documents of relevance!

I would say a big chunk of the legal fees paid were for the lawyers to make revealing documentation was next to impossible!  They are really working towards that goal!

When I first figured out the financial situation from eBay and the 3ABN vs. IL Property Tax lawsuit, I never dreamed of all that has been discovered that has nothing to do with finances!  Nothing shocks me about the finances.  It revealed his true character to me.  When I began reading facts about his immoral behavior, I was not shocked. 

I knew Danny had hidden funds.  And here we are.

Danny should never have sued Bob and Gailon!

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on February 28, 2009, 07:33:33 PM

Fran, just a clarification: Danny's local bank got bought by another bank, which has branches in Minnesota. Since I live in Minnesota, I thought I'd subpoena the records from Minnesota rather than from Illinois. So Danny's bank was local rather than being out of state.

The fact that Danny was signatory on 10 different accounts at one bank during the requested time period did sound a bit odd to me.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on February 28, 2009, 07:41:02 PM

Fran,

Did you notice that so many of the exhibits Danny and 3ABN's lawyers filed were letters between the lawyers and us, or duplicates? You'd think that if they really had a case, they would have filed documents at some point that proved it, not resort to filing lawyer's letters in an apparent attempt to compete with our voluminous exhibits.

Not one exhibit that they filed suggests that they lost a penny because of Gailon or myself providing anything other than documentation. And only one exhibit suggests that our documentation caused a loss.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Fran on March 01, 2009, 01:14:30 AM

Thanks for that info, Bob.  I am still back at 1998!  Isn't this the year of Danny and the 2nd cousin?  I am trying to see how many things happened in 1998 or around 1998.

Bob, I firmly do not believe Danny would bank at the same bank as 3ABN!  There has to be another bank.  If he uses another bank, having 10 accounts is far too many.  However, if someone is hiding money, look at banks in the distance!  Maybe Haiti?

Has anyone checked Russia and the Cayman Islands?

Just wondering.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 01, 2009, 12:53:43 PM

I'm not sure when the alleged events with the second cousin took place.

Anyone else know?

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Fran on March 01, 2009, 04:04:45 PM

I believe 1998 was cited, but the other side came back with 1995.  I would like to hear if it was 1998.  I believe I got it in "What I would like to ask Danny Shelton".

Yeah, it said this was when the uplink games stopped.  To me, the uplinks stopped because she graduated and was no longer paying or they broke up.  I guess the beginning of the event was prior to 1998.  Don't know when it stopped.

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Quote from: CRYSTAL on November 07, 2008, 10:58:08 PM
Might ask why he stopped recording and uplinking those high school girls games after 1998?

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: princessdi on March 02, 2009, 11:42:30 AM

Just for clarification, you needed yet another wibsite for what purpose?  I am truly asking out of curiosity.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: princessdi on March 06, 2009, 10:27:29 AM

Uh.........Am I to assume that there is another website for no good reason, or does anyone have an answer to this question?

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 11:23:40 AM

Looks like that website is a repository of court documents and nothing more.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: princessdi on March 06, 2009, 05:55:24 PM

Looks like?  Man, your name is on it, you don't know what they post there?  Or did you think I didn't know?  Iam just asking questions, Bob. I am not your enemy, just looking for an honest answer.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Daryl Fawcett on March 06, 2009, 06:20:30 PM

princessdi,

My aren't you perceptive!

You must have the gift of discernment, and I don't mean this in any derogatory way.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 06:37:32 PM

Quote from: princessdi on March 06, 2009, 05:55:24 PM

Looks like?  Man, your name is on it, you don't know what they post there?  Or did you think I didn't know?  Iam just asking questions, Bob. I am not your enemy, just looking for an honest answer.

I think that was an honest answer. Both the domain name and the present content indicate that that is what that website is all about.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 06:55:12 PM

In other words, you asked what the purpose of another website was, and my answer spoke to the question of the purpose of the site.

"Looks like" addressed the question from a particular angle.

If all those court documents are on an existing site, they might be harder to navigate through or find.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Cindy on March 06, 2009, 07:02:44 PM

Quote from: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 06:55:12 PM

In other words, you asked what the purpose of another website was, and my answer spoke to the question of the purpose of the site.

"Looks like" addressed the question from a particular angle.

If all those court documents are on an existing site, they might be harder to navigate through or find.

Well anyway...

Will you be adding your appeal brief on your website soon, or are you waiting on me to post it first?

Just wondering...

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 07:15:58 PM

Feel free to post it if you want.

Happy Sabbath.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Cindy on March 06, 2009, 07:30:21 PM

Quote from: Fran on March 01, 2009, 04:04:45 PM

I believe 1998 was cited, but the other side came back with 1995.  I would like to hear if it was 1998.  I believe I got it in "What I would like to ask Danny Shelton".

Yeah, it said this was when the uplink games stopped.  To me, the uplinks stopped because she graduated and was no longer paying or they broke up.  I guess the beginning of the event was prior to 1998.  Don't know when it stopped.

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Quote from: CRYSTAL on November 07, 2008, 10:58:08 PM
Might ask why he stopped recording and uplinking those high school girls games after 1998?

As this appears to be off topic. I answered you in the thread you are quoting from.

Go here:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1067.msg18817.html#msg18817

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Fran on March 06, 2009, 10:27:38 PM

Ian;

In the post you linked back to is where you made statements.  I don't read most of your posts.  Sorry.  I still do not know the reason the up-links stopped.  You admit you weren't there, so, your guess is as good as mine, right?

Also my thoughts about Danny having bank accounts in MN was wrong.  Bob explained that to me. 

However, as an accountant, I have seen it all!  Most businesses could have more that 6 accounts in the same bank, but not if they are trying to hide money!  One bank may have a Payroll Fund account, a General Fund account, Savings account, R&D account, Loan account & a credit card account all in the same bank!  Yes I have seen more than 10 accounts, but it was under special circumstances.  It can be really interesting reconciling & balancing  all those accounts when people forget to transfer fund to the payroll account!  Account transfers show up on the statement, but the transactions were not posted to the books!

My clients, that were stealing from themselves, never placed their personal accounts at the same bank that had the accounts of their business.  This information would find what was going on really fast.  So I might be crazy and insane, but Danny is smarter in some things than others might be.  I believe he has accounts all over the place.  Some off shore in the Caribbean.  I would suspect Russia, Australia, Canada.    My thought are Haiti, St Lucia, Cayman Islands, & Bahamas.

Maybe he even uses a bank in Oregon & California or Van, Texas!  There is always a trail! 

I use different banks.  Nothing wrong have more than one account that is for sure. However, ...
 

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Fair Havens on March 07, 2009, 03:14:41 AM

Quote from: Fran on March 06, 2009, 10:27:38 PM

Ian;

  So I might be crazy and insane, but Danny is smarter in some things than others might be.  I believe he has accounts all over the place.  Some off shore in the Caribbean.  I would suspect Russia, Australia, Canada.   

My thought are Haiti, St Lucia, Cayman Islands, & Bahamas.

Maybe he even uses a bank in Oregon & California or Van, Texas!  There is always a trail! 

I use different banks.  Nothing wrong have more than one account that is for sure. However, ...
 

Nah, more likely in Antigua with the Sandford International Bank.  Haha!!  Well, not quite 'Haha', as Bob tells us it all donors' money gone down the tubes ala 'Madeoff'.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Cindy on March 07, 2009, 05:15:41 AM

Quote from: Fran on March 06, 2009, 10:27:38 PM

Ian;

In the post you linked back to is where you made statements.  I don't read most of your posts.  Sorry.  I still do not know the reason the up-links stopped.  You admit you weren't there, so, your guess is as good as mine, right?

Huh?!?

It might be helpful to read a reply before responding to it.

If you wish to discuss it or reply again, please go to the thread where it is being discussed. http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1067.msg18817.html#msg18817

Quote from: Fran

Also my thoughts about Danny having bank accounts in MN was wrong.  Bob explained that to me... 

Well I didn't even say anything about that Fran, but since you are bringing it up...

Yes I know. I read his post.  Your thoughts about hidden bank accounts in other countries appear to be pure fantasy also. You may indeed have seen it all, and there may indeed always be a trail when people do such -- as you claim --  but you haven't seen hide nor hair of a trail in this case.

 
last edited to add link and further clarification

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 07, 2009, 06:23:18 PM

What we have seen is proof that Danny is desperately trying to hide how much money he used 3ABN to put into his own pockets.

Someone who does that kind of thing could very well have bank accounts overseas. I have been told that he would dole out huge amounts of cash on trips for folks to carry with them, so that he wouldn't have too many thousands just on himself. Now whether he was using creative ways to get funds to secret accounts or to ministry branches, I don't know.

But I do know that Danny is not honest, not above board, and desperate to cover up how much money he really did make using 3ABN. And I can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Fran on March 07, 2009, 10:17:56 PM

Hear, Hear!  Good post Bob!

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: princessdi on March 08, 2009, 09:35:42 PM

See, now, Bob, you know that I truly like everyone, and I am the same with everyone, good, bad or indifferent.  You are right.  I did tag you because you said, "Looks like".  That implies that you knew little or nothing about the site, scanned it and thought it "looked like" a site for posting court documents, etc.  That was not a direct answer and was in essence a partial truth.  Full truth is it IS your site, and you don't think you know what it looks like, you know exactly what it is and are responsible for what it looks like.  There was no need to be vague.  If there is no shame in your game, and you truly beleive that God is on your side, then there is no need for you to be vague.  Step up and say what believe that God has led you to do.   However, if you are attempting to use the devil's tools to accomplish what you believe is God's work, then you have reason to be ashamed and vague, etc.  Your answer implied the later.

Quote from: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 06:55:12 PM

In other words, you asked what the purpose of another website was, and my answer spoke to the question of the purpose of the site.

"Looks like" addressed the question from a particular angle.

If all those court documents are on an existing site, they might be harder to navigate through or find.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 08, 2009, 10:11:40 PM

My apologies for coming across that way.

My dilemma at times is what exactly to say in a public forum, given the litigation going on, and the lawyers I have to deal with. If you and I met at church, I probably would have answered your question differently.

In this particular case I chose to answer your question by referring to that which can be derived from the site itself, hence the words "looks like." There is at least one thing that is not readily apparent, and I won't be stating that publicly.

Quote from: princessdi on March 08, 2009, 09:35:42 PM

See, now, Bob, you know that I truly like everyone, and I am the same with everyone, good, bad or indifferent.  You are right.  I did tag you because you said, "Looks like".  That implies that you knew little or nothing about the site, scanned it and thought it "looked like" a site for posting court documents, etc.  That was not a direct answer and was in essence a partial truth.  Full truth is it IS your site, and you don't think you know what it looks like, you know exactly what it is and are responsible for what it looks like.  There was no need to be vague.  If there is no shame in your game, and you truly beleive that God is on your side, then there is no need for you to be vague.  Step up and say what believe that God has led you to do.   However, if you are attempting to use the devil's tools to accomplish what you believe is God's work, then you have reason to be ashamed and vague, etc.  Your answer implied the later.

Quote from: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 06:55:12 PM

In other words, you asked what the purpose of another website was, and my answer spoke to the question of the purpose of the site.

"Looks like" addressed the question from a particular angle.

If all those court documents are on an existing site, they might be harder to navigate through or find.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: princessdi on March 10, 2009, 11:28:10 AM

Not a problem, Bob.  It just looked a little shady, especially for one is known to ask extremely pointed questions and expected direct answers in return.  In fact, we are here 3-4 sites, a law suit, and many damaged lives later because Danny/3ABN refused to directly answer your questions, which at the time were legitimate, IMO. I was just making sure that by beholding, Danny, you had not become changed.

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 13, 2009, 11:59:46 PM

Quote from: Bob Pickle on March 06, 2009, 11:23:40 AM

Looks like that website is a repository of court documents and nothing more.

That is correct, Mr pickle, the entire record will be the PUBLIC RECORD for all to evaluate and determine for themselves where the evidence leads and the weight of that evidence.

Of greater interest will be Joy vs Shelton et al...pending the completion of the appeal. There will be a Joy v Shellton et al either way the court rules, the court's ruling will only affect one claim.

Thank-you for acquiring the domains for the purpose clearly stated. Enjoy and share!!!

Here, Here and I toast the truth!!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 14, 2009, 12:09:23 AM

Quote from: princessdi on March 10, 2009, 11:28:10 AM

Not a problem, Bob.  It just looked a little shady, especially for one is known to ask extremely pointed questions and expected direct answers in return.  In fact, we are here 3-4 sites, a law suit, and many damaged lives later because Danny/3ABN refused to directly answer your questions, which at the time were legitimate, IMO. I was just making sure that by beholding, Danny, you had not become changed.

One very important point...NO-ONE CAN BEHOLD DANNY LEE SHELTON AND NOT BECOME CHANGED!!!

One either is compelled to become a party to his conspiracy, ie:IAN and a host of others, or one is so revolted they are compelled to tell the truth and reveal the true Danny Lee Shelton to the stockholders in the pews.

It is an absolute truism that by beholding Danny Lee Shelton we are changed!!! Forever changed!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER

Title: Re: 3ABNvJOY
Post by: princessdi on March 15, 2009, 06:24:00 PM

Uh, Gailon, I was not referring to a positive change neither a negative change to which you are referring.  I was talking about Bob "picking up" some bad habits from DS, as in not answering direct and honest question in kind, with direct and honest answers.  Just want to be clear about that.

Secondly, the only one who should hold that much power of anyone's life is Jesus Christ.  Those who are alowing DS to change them even for the better are wrong, and giving DS glory, praise and worship that is only due to God.

 

Quote from: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 14, 2009, 12:09:23 AM

One very important point...NO-ONE CAN BEHOLD DANNY LEE SHELTON AND NOT BECOME CHANGED!!!

One either is compelled to become a party to his conspiracy, ie:IAN and a host of others, or one is so revolted they are compelled to tell the truth and reveal the true Danny Lee Shelton to the stockholders in the pews.

It is an absolute truism that by beholding Danny Lee Shelton we are changed!!! Forever changed!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER