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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on August 26, 2008, 08:54:05 AM
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Wal-Qaeda.com (http://www.Wal-Qaeda.com/) and Walocaust.com (http://www.Walocaust.com/).
Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.
http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf (http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf)
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Wal-Qaeda.com (http://www.Wal-Qaeda.com/) and Walocaust.com (http://www.Walocaust.com/).
Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.
Just have to love the garbage that passes for intellect.
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Smith is an avid and vocal critic of Wal-Mart. He believes that
Wal-Mart has a destructive effect on communities, treats workers badly,
and has a damaging influence on the United States as a whole—an influence
so detrimental to the United States and its communities that Smith likens it
to that of the Nazi regime. With the goals of stimulating discussions about
Wal-Mart and getting others of like mind to join him in expressing strongly
Any and all that have lived under the Nazi Regime should be furious at this ridiculous statement. Wonder if this fine honest upstanding fellow rushes to wal mart to buy his prescriptions. First place I head.
I know several that work at wal-mart, there isn't a Nazi that picks them up and drives them to work in the death camps or concentation camps at the point of a gun.
It is probable those that do not want to work believe wal-mart is destructive to the US.
Friends and neighbors of mine work at wal-mart/ They all are satisfied working there. Of course they would like more money but are intelligent enough to know without even high school diploma they cannot expect to be paid what others that have gone to college get. That is why education is so important. I suppose Wal-mart could be blamed somehow for the fact that some have not finished high school. Neighbors of mine work part-time for wal-mart and are thankful they will work around their full time job.
They have the intelligence to know that if they want a career or top dollar,places like wal-mart aren't it. Most that work there do so because either are not qualified in area's that require education,mothers working around day care etc.
Like MacDonald's,most with a reasonable IQ know you do not go to high school and college so you can get a job at wal-mart or MacDonalds.
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Actually, Wal-Mart does not have a real good reputation in the business world for the way they conduct business in general. There is even a video out about it - I think it is called "The High Cost of Low Prices" or something like that. Once I watched that video I really didn't ever want to go into a Wal-Mart again, and I am convinced that Wal-Mart is not particularly good for the U.S. economy. At the risk of being beat up here, I'll spare you the gory details.
OK, ducking and running...
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I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.
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Actually, Wal-Mart does not have a real good reputation in the business world for the way they conduct business in general. There is even a video out about it - I think it is called "The High Cost of Low Prices" or something like that. Once I watched that video I really didn't ever want to go into a Wal-Mart again, and I am convinced that Wal-Mart is not particularly good for the U.S. economy. At the risk of being beat up here, I'll spare you the gory details.
OK, ducking and running...
Was the video unbiased or trying to back up someone's point?? There was also a video posted here if I recall. Was it an unbiased video or did it show exactly what was wanted to be shown on a particular topic.
I am sure there are many things that employees would like to change and some rightly so. Does that make wal-mart any worse than say Target or K-Mart?
You may think having to pay a high price for something is good for the economy.maybe so. But is not so great for mine. I am thankful to wal-mart that I can now get my prescription for 4.00 per month rather than the 24.00 I was paying.
Wal-Mart carries a brand of clothing for women,one that used to be carried by Macy's. Maybe you and others here could afford Macy's I could not. Macy's quit carrying it as they did not want to compete with wal-mart. Tough cookies, that is business. If you do not want to spend your life working in a store that pays the wages wal-mart does, there is a way to solve that. GET AN EDUCATION.
MacDonald's pays a comparable wage and employs many student's ,mothers working their way around day care.It is a job that fits around their schedule and training and education
Come to think of it, my granddaughter works in a upscale clothing store. No accommodations made for different shifts,insurance that is not the greatest, and 1.00 over and above similar positions at wal-mart. Maybe she is really working at a Nazi concentration camp and doesn't know it.
Best part about all this,this clothing store does not get it's merchandise in the US . Guess where it comes from.
Wal-mart and similar places are not viewed as a career but as parttime job or one that matches their talents and training thru education
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Bob, is this something you can use in your defense, will it be helpful to you?
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I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.
Let me share something with you. I did recognize that fact. No matter who I see making outrageous statements to try to bolster their case, it gives me some thoughts about those that do that.
The man in this story is offensive and using comparisons that are an insult to many people that went thru some horrifying experiences
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I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.
Wal Mart got a bad wrap on the insurance claim by a badly injured woman. The situation was not wal-mart policy as it was insurance policy. My own insurance is exactly the same. You cannot collect twice for injuries.
It will pay for expenses until there is a insurance settlement. This woman had already obtained a settlement from the at fault driver
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Any and all that have lived under the Nazi Regime should be furious at this ridiculous statement. Wonder if this fine honest upstanding fellow rushes to wal mart to buy his prescriptions. First place I head.
I know several that work at wal-mart, there isn't a Nazi that picks them up and drives them to work in the death camps or concentation camps at the point of a gun.
Here is a sample of what could be termed a mis-statement. It so happens that I was married for 51 years to a girl who was brought up under the Nazi regime in Germany, and I got well acquainted with several of her relatives who were also there. What often is left in the oblivion of forgetfulness is that Adolf Hitler provided work for the destitude who suffered under the depression. Many modern Germans miss the high morals and discipline today which they experienced throughout the Nazi regime.
One of my wife's aunts who was appointed a youth leader told me about her work and their high ideals. She married another youth leader who, when drafted, was assigned to a concentration camp. She told me of her visits to that concentration camp where all was well swept and clean and orderly. She saw no gun-points there, just people asssigned to perform their jobs in an orderly fashion. It was not until after the war she learned of atrocities in some of those camps. It was not until then she learned how crazy Adolf Hitler really was, but this was information issued by the allied forces.
There could be times when we need to work on eliminating the nazi system in ourselves just as much as we search for it in others.
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The comparison drawn between wal-mart and Nazi concentration camps is absurd and designed for those that don't bother to check facts . Anyone that absurd is one to walk away from.
If you do not have a education, you have no training for the work place,you need very flexible scheduling,close to home it is probably best not to work there. Work in a upscale enviourment as my granddaughter, I am sure they will accommodate you and pay you the wages that you determine you need.
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Bob, is this something you can use in your defense, will it be helpful to you?
Absolutely!
If that guy can sell T-Shirts with such outrageous stuff on them and it not violate trademark law, then we could even sell "Save 3ABN ... Can Dan!" T-Shirts and still not violate it either. (Not that I want to.)
Note that Smith was out to injure Wal-Mart, not Save Wal-Mart because the leader of Wal-Mart was violating the standards of their common faith.
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Wal Mart doesn't do anything different than other companies do.
I purchase a tremendous amount of fabric. I can go to the local fabric shop and pay between 8.99 and 10.99 per yard. I go to a warehouse type fabric shop and pay from 3-4.98 for same brand,identical fabric.
My local shop complains about them as much as others complain about wal-mart. Can you guess where I shop?? And I shop there so that I can cut the throat(prices) of those that do the same thing I do and don't have acess to fabric
at that price
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I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.
And besides our own prejudicially predicitive PMA drummer Bonnie, who else has stated that allegations against Walmart are "outrageous"?
Of course, those blind to the constant allegations relating to miscue's by Walmart would argue all is just fine. The neat thing about American Society is that you can protest against a company or company management's conduct in mutliple ways and still enjoy the fruit of the underlying corporate philosophy.
Frankly, the institution called Walmart is a mixed bag, at best, frequently running amis of the law in their efforts to sustain rock bottom pricing and even rockier business relationships. They are an 1800 pound bull in a China Closet economy and don't much care how much china gets broken as long as they get to feed at the profits trough. But, then, what is new in the US Corporate arena? Or the World Arena as far as that goes.
If you get away with it you make millions; and if you get caught then you pay millions to get away with it. They call them fines and consent orders, or "I am not guilty but I will pay to get away with it if I am guilty".
But, alas, the real point is that the US Constitution does guaranatee FREE SPEECH, so far!!! And 3ABN will not be the exception to the rule of law!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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And besides our own prejudicially predictive PMA drummer Bonnie, who else has stated that allegations against Walmart are "outrageous"?
I am pretty prejudicial to the truth Gailon, instead of gross overstatements. I went to school with a family from germany. They had fled the Nazi's in the middle of the night in sub zero cold in a horse drawn wagon. So happy when they arrived at safety then the mother realized the mother realized her infant daughter had frozen to death Any "predictive drummer ' that wants to equate Nazi power with Wal-mart has more than a few screws loose. Being a nutcase is not against the constitution, in that you are right, but it is hardly something to advertise or champion.
Of course, those blind to the constant allegations relating to miscue's by Walmart would argue all is just fine. The neat thing about American Society is that you can protest against a company or company management's conduct in multiple ways and still enjoy the fruit of the underlying corporate philosophy.
If wal-marrt were the only coporation doing these acts it would be a little different. It is not. You do not have to shop there and you do not have to work there.
Frankly, the institution called Walmart is a mixed bag, at best, frequently running amiss of the law in their efforts to sustain rock bottom pricing and even rockier business relationships. They are an 1800 pound bull in a China Closet economy and don't much care how much china gets broken as long as they get to feed at the profits trough. But, then, what is new in the US Corporate arena? Or the World Arena as far as that goes.
Most institutions are a mixed bag.
But, alas, the real point is that the US Constitution does guarantee FREE SPEECH, so far!!! And 3ABN will not be the exception to the rule of law!!!
I don't recall saying the constitution didn't allow idiots,liars, slanderers,dissatisfied workers,or that wal-mart was clean as a whistle.
You may prevail but you also may get to enjoy crow. Some people like it, I guess.
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I don't think Bob was stating that he agrees with Smith's opinions. IMO Bob's point is that Smith is allowed to make those statements about Wal-Mart as per the law, even if they are outrageous.
From the "Conclusion" section of the Smith Case:
The Court hereby issues a declaratory judgment that Smith's activities have not violated any of Wal-Mart's trademark rights. Smith may maintain his domain names and websites. He may also resume offering for sale via his Walocaust and Wal-Qaeda CafePress webstores his parodic WALOCAUST and WAL-QAEDA, FREEDOM HATER MART, and BENTON*VILLEBULLIES ALWAYS concepts printed on novelty merchancise; on any webpage or other channel offering such merchandise for sale, Smith must continue to include prominent disclaimers of affiliation with Wal-Mart.
The Smith case might help Bob and Gailon defend their use of "3ABN" in the names of their websites. The content on those sites, unless I have missed some slogans that could be characterized as "parodic", as well as their statements published here and elsewhere, are far more specifically pointed at individual human beings and not a huge corporation as with the Smith case.
Bob and Gailon would be wise to study carefully the conclusion of the case. It appears that, although Mr. Smith requested reimbursement for his costs, he didn't include that request in his request for summary judgment. It looks like he might have to sell a few more T-shirts, etc., to cover any costs above and beyond the $1000+ donations for his legal fund donated through Public Citizen.
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I believe it was a documentary.
Was the video unbiased or trying to back up someone's point?? There was also a video posted here if I recall. Was it an unbiased video or did it show exactly what was wanted to be shown on a particular topic.
I am sure there are many things that employees would like to change and some rightly so. Does that make wal-mart any worse than say Target or K-Mart?
You may think having to pay a high price for something is good for the economy.maybe so. But is not so great for mine. I am thankful to wal-mart that I can now get my prescription for 4.00 per month rather than the 24.00 I was paying.
Wal-Mart carries a brand of clothing for women,one that used to be carried by Macy's. Maybe you and others here could afford Macy's I could not. Macy's quit carrying it as they did not want to compete with wal-mart. Tough cookies, that is business. If you do not want to spend your life working in a store that pays the wages wal-mart does, there is a way to solve that. GET AN EDUCATION.
MacDonald's pays a comparable wage and employs many student's ,mothers working their way around day care.It is a job that fits around their schedule and training and education
Come to think of it, my granddaughter works in a upscale clothing store. No accommodations made for different shifts,insurance that is not the greatest, and 1.00 over and above similar positions at wal-mart. Maybe she is really working at a Nazi concentration camp and doesn't know it.
Best part about all this,this clothing store does not get it's merchandise in the US . Guess where it comes from.
Wal-mart and similar places are not viewed as a career but as parttime job or one that matches their talents and training thru education
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I strongly disagree with this statement. However, I am not going to argue with you about it.
Wal Mart doesn't do anything different than other companies do.
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Grandma,
Tell Cindy that we thank her for the heads up (my, we would have missed that one, right Bob?) and we will not make the same mistake, but in fact we intend to bring a misuse of process claim to "clean up". And, I would suspect that some of the witnesses, and maybe even co-defendants, would be "counselors". Got plenty of time and we don't have to be out of Iraq by 2011. 2015 is the more logical timeframe for us to be finished, depending how many more we can draw into the fight. After all, if we are conducting an unholy war, might as well bring the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth out so we can convince even the BLIND that there is llight in our facts and the physical evidence supports our claims. Might just prove to be financially rewarding as well!!! But JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL.
Tell Cindy her use of pseudonyms (that NY pseudonym to avoid imaginary service was just delightfully hilarious) and surrogates is preposterous. If she has something to say, stand up like the anti-church WOMAN ( I dare not call her a lawyer) she is and speak her mind. The constitution guarantee's her the right. And she can publicly conduct her own crusade rather than use CHRISTIAN SURROGATES, an oxymoron at best.
That is the view from the bunker today, Grandma.
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And besides our own prejudicially predicitive PMA drummer Bonnie, who else has stated that allegations against Walmart are "outrageous"?
I am not your anything. Please keep that in mind
Of course, those blind to the constant allegations relating to miscue's by Walmart would argue all is just fine. The neat thing about American Society is that you can protest against a company or company management's conduct in mutliple ways and still enjoy the fruit of the underlying corporate philosophy.
Can you find where I said everything is just fine concerning wal-mart or is that another statement that is not quite factual.
Frankly, the institution called Walmart is a mixed bag, at best, frequently running amis of the law in their efforts to sustain rock bottom pricing and even rockier business relationships. They are an 1800 pound bull in a China Closet economy and don't much care how much china gets broken as long as they get to feed at the profits trough. But, then, what is new in the US Corporate arena? Or the World Arena as far as that goes.
Most are, so please tell me why the nasty attacks on one corperation.Capitalism never promised to be spread out equally, it only promises the opportunity for a person to pursue an education and to work hard.
frequently running amis of the law in their efforts to sustain rock bottom pricing and even rockier business relationships. They are an 1800 pound bull in a
They may be the 1800 pound bull in the china shop,but beats the heck out of the dainty little shop that fleeces me quietly.
Tell me why I should hate wal-mart. My husband is on lovastatin. When I went to pick up the prescription our prescription coverage had not been finalized I thought how expensive can one prescription be.
Soon found out. They wanted 326.00 for 90 days. I said flat out no,we will wait for the insurance. This dear lady said,"well, we will give it to you at our cost till you have the coverage. Imagine my surprise when she quoted me
150.00. This dainty little number hit a lot harder financially than the 1800 pound bull. Now I suppose I could camp in their parking lot and try to damage them as much as I could,or take my business elsewhere, as in Wal-mart.
I don't mind businesses making a profit. But 50% is a bit much for my pocket.
I have a right within the constitution to take my business elsewhere.
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I strongly disagree with this statement. However, I am not going to argue with you about it.
Wal Mart doesn't do anything different than other companies do.
K-Mart,Target are all the samr. Wal-mart happens to be the most sucessful at it. Because of them I could now go to Target or K-mart and get my presciption at the same price.
Paying a salary for unskilled labor in either of the three stores here are about the same.
Wal-Mart has a better track record for hiring the handicapped.
And let us not forget the upscale shop my granddaughter works in. I.00 an hour more and no convenient scheduling to work around school.
Yup,got to hate that wal-mart, all others are above reproach
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And the First Amendment gives you that right, but that is a two way street.
And I strongly support that statement and am willing to prove it with copies of Charge after charge. In fact. just try it on PACER. The name WALMART will give you a page full or two. And that is just the Federal system.
Fun sparring with you anyway.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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And the First Amendment gives you that right, but that is a two way street.
And I strongly support that statement and am willing to prove it with copies of Charge after charge. In fact. just try it on PACER. The name WALMART will give you a page full or two. And that is just the Federal system.
Fun sparring with you anyway.
Gailon Arthur Joy
In terms of reading pacer,couldn't give a hoot less as far as wal-mart goes. I accept the fact there are issues with wal-mart, also many others have same issues.
You make satements like this And the First Amendment gives you that right, but that is a two way street.
and tried to tell you you didn't have that right or that it wasn't a two way street.
We have a right in this country to be as obnoxious,rude, overbrearing, hypocritical,and even telling lies if we choose.
A long with that right is consequences at times. That even may be someone suing you.
But that is not a problem for those that enjoy the fight and the limelight
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invoking a woman's prerogative...
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Your saber waggling is impotent; your bunker is full of holes and about to crumble...
:ROFL: The one thing I learned during my son's ordeal was that it was unquestioned we were right Even tho my son was told from day one,it will be a long road but we will prevail,he was confident,no saber rattling. No bragging,no obnoxious statements,no exaggerations. If you are in the right you don't feel driven to make so much noise to bolster your courage.
As for Donna,
Donna,
You are trying to explain and defend something that you are totally ignorant of. Excuses and reasons can be given you,but it is a far cry from knowing what you are talking about. You are off your turf on this one and accepting anything that is said by the one you and others seem to think is annointed by God
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Donna,
You are trying to explain and defend something that you are totally ignorant of. Excuses and reasons can be given you,but it is a far cry from knowing what you are talking about. You are off your turf on this one and accepting anything that is said by the one you and others seem to think is annointed by God
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The main point is that none of this has any bearing on anything that is in the court. People can come up with their lies and others come and rebut with explanations of truth and still it does not change anything. I feel sorry for the day you and others find out that you have been in error.
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The main point is that none of this has any bearing on anything that is in the court. People can come up with their lies and others come and rebut with explanations of truth and still it does not change anything. I feel sorry for the day you and others find out that you have been in error.
Given that I do not have anything to lose it doesn't matter that much to me. But it is interesting to have both sides after my hair for defending or accusing the other one. Odd place to be
The error part might play both ways and I suspect strongly that it does.
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Given that I do not have anything to lose it doesn't matter that much to me. But it is interesting to have both sides after my hair for defending or accusing the other one. Odd place to be
The error part might play both ways and I suspect strongly that it does.
Lol! At least no one will accuse you of being a clone or a lemming.
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Given that I do not have anything to lose it doesn't matter that much to me. But it is interesting to have both sides after my hair for defending or accusing the other one. Odd place to be
The error part might play both ways and I suspect strongly that it does.
Lol! At least no one will accuse you of being a clone or a lemming.
The last couple of weeks I have been all but those two. :thumbsup:
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Given that I do not have anything to lose it doesn't matter that much to me. But it is interesting to have both sides after my hair for defending or accusing the other one. Odd place to be
The error part might play both ways and I suspect strongly that it does.
Lol! At least no one will accuse you of being a clone or a lemming.
The last couple of weeks I have been all but those two. :thumbsup:
:hot: I've noticed. You have your principles and are hanging on to them. :thumbsup:
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You may think having to pay a high price for something is good for the economy.maybe so. But is not so great for mine. I am thankful to wal-mart that I can now get my prescription for 4.00 per month rather than the 24.00 I was paying.
Shhhhsh Bonnie. Don't want to know that's happening 'up there'! :oops:
I've handled petitions 'down under' to stop Supermarkets dispensing pharmaceutical medications.
While there's nothing more that I like much besides cheaper medications, I do have very STRONG OBJECTIONS to them being dispensed by people who wouldn't know Tenormin from Temazapam. Too much room for error.
More than enough errors made by 'qualified people' so we don't want/need the 'medically unqualified' being let loose with medication dispensing! :australia:
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No worries, Ozzie! Here in the "up over"(?) the supermarkets like Costco, Safeway and Walmart have pharmacies that employ pharmacists who are just as qualified to dispense medications as the pharmacists who run the stand-alone pharmacies. If it is a different case in the "down under", and the ones dispensing medications in supermarkets are unqualified to do so, bless you for handling the petitions to change that!
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No worries, Ozzie! Here in the "up over"(?) the supermarkets like Costco, Safeway and Walmart have pharmacies that employ pharmacists who are just as qualified to dispense medications as the pharmacists who run the stand-alone pharmacies. If it is a different case in the "down under", and the ones dispensing medications in supermarkets are unqualified to do so, bless you for handling the petitions to change that!
People complain about wal-mart and would like to close them down,and then run to wal-mart. Wonder why that is?
And if they are serious about purchasing from those businesses that "exploit" overseas cheap labor,they best be putting there money where their mouth is.
Raise your own sheep, spin ,and weave into cloth. Make,do not buy the supplies that go into their daily life.
Pay the price of prescriptions at your local pharmacy. Do not buy them at Wal-mart
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We all would do well to ease away from false accusations which is esentially equivalent to bearing false witness.
Your religion fails me when you think you have the freedom to even advise me on where I shop, including Walmart. Everything they sell is not make in China as I examined a conglomerate that has a subsidiary that sewed and even stone-washed in massive washers locally for all the big names where they are responsible for buying all the raw materials except the "labels" which are supplied by and controlled through audits by their customers. Would you think thread-merchants would have a business model where their suppliers would be required to maintain an inventory of merchandise clearly marked "IRREGULAR" for their "bargain basement module." The irregular inventory level was maintained many time by simply cutting the label from the regular inventory, stranger than fiction. Minniapolis is the IRS center for merchandising technical assistance for that sector for certain unique adjustments followed by the Audit division.
Do you think the "religious independents" will ever fully agree with your shopping habits when they felt a need to whet their "independent egos?"
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We all would do well to ease away from false accusations which is essentially equivalent to bearing false witness.
Your religion fails me when you think you have the freedom to even advise me on where I shop, including Walmart.
Great advice, hopefully I will see you remember that when you imply I or someone else has borne false witness. You will of course provide the truth of that or you run the risk of doing that which you advise others not to do. Name for that I think. Religion certainly does fail many doesn't it??
Everything they sell is not make in China as I examined a conglomerate that has a subsidiary that sewed and even stone-washed in massive washers locally for all the big names where they are responsible for buying all the raw materials except the "labels" which are supplied by and controlled through audits by their customers.
Got to tell you you are slow in catching on what many of us have known for years. Same holds true for the machines I buy. One company makes two different brands and toutes each one the best. What a shock :thumbsup: As for the rest of what you claim as an expert in IRS matters, many have known that for years
I don't think I even mentioned China did I?? Are you inserting your own words into that which someone else said. Not nice
Would you think thread-merchants would have a business model where their suppliers would be required to maintain an inventory of merchandise clearly marked "IRREGULAR" for their "bargain basement module." The irregular inventory level was maintained many time by simply cutting the label from the regular inventory, stranger than fiction. Minneapolis is the IRS center for merchandising technical assistance for that sector for certain unique adjustments followed by the Audit division.
As one that buys mega amounts of thread you seem to think that you are the only one here that knows that. As walmart sells a limited amount of thread by comparison to those I buy from I hope you don't believe they are the only ones. Frankly where I buy they do the same and in much larger quantity. I have had orders I needed to return because it was such poor quality.
Do you think the "religious independents" will ever fully agree with your shopping habits when they felt a need to whet their "independent egos?"
Frankly I don't care. And as to ego's?????? :ROFL:
Those that do or are doing as this man should have the character to NOT do or deal with those he condemns.
Otherwise he is like a few I know. Wanting to thump his chest as he does what he can to keep himself in the limelight and revel in his short lived fame
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Shhhhsh Bonnie. Don't want to know that's happening 'up there'! :oops:
I've handled petitions 'down under' to stop Supermarkets dispensing pharmaceutical medications.
While there's nothing more that I like much besides cheaper medications, I do have very STRONG OBJECTIONS to them being dispensed by people who wouldn't know Tenormin from Temazapam. Too much room for error.
More than enough errors made by 'qualified people' so we don't want/need the 'medically unqualified' being let loose with medication dispensing! :australia:
Tenormin This one costs me 4.00 at walmart dispensed by a licensed pharmacist.
The lovastatin that would have cost me 326.00 for a 90 day supply at my local pharmacy,not costs me 21.00
This was rather a enlightening experience. It was then I realized what the local tramcar charges and what their mark up is. They paid 150.00 for the same amount. Charged me 326.00. Then when I got the prescription D plan and had it filled,guess what. My cost 7.14 ,the insurer's cost was 1.40.
I then did blow my stack. Was told by the pharmacist that once covered on the government plan I could not be charged more that the welfare recipients or what they sell to third world countries for.
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No worries, Ozzie! Here in the "up over"(?) the supermarkets like Costco, Safeway and Walmart have pharmacies that employ pharmacists who are just as qualified to dispense medications as the pharmacists who run the stand-alone pharmacies. If it is a different case in the "down under", and the ones dispensing medications in supermarkets are unqualified to do so, bless you for handling the petitions to change that!
People complain about wal-mart and would like to close them down,and then run to wal-mart. Wonder why that is?
And if they are serious about purchasing from those businesses that "exploit" overseas cheap labor,they best be putting there money where their mouth is.
Raise your own sheep, spin ,and weave into cloth. Make,do not buy the supplies that go into their daily life.
Pay the price of prescriptions at your local pharmacy. Do not buy them at Wal-mart
In my area Walmart has caught flack for attempting to increase the bottom line by expecting employees to complete work-related tasks off the clock. Funny thing is, both Sears and Mervyns (Target's parent company) were also found to be doing the same thing. So.... seems like it is a pretty common business model.
Here in my neck of the woods there are pockets of people still hanging onto some of the old counterculture hippie ideals, although far more conservative. They won't allow WiFi bubbles in their areas because of the potential physical impact of all those internet protocol waves floating freely around... and they raise much of their own stuff. They also don't have their children immunized so some have succumed to diseases like whooping cough.
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It isn't that wal-mart is all bad and all others all good. Working off the clock to complete your work is not reserved for the evil wal-mart. Where I worked it was the same. Gave you a choice in that you were expected to be able to perform certain tasks within your shift. If you didn't, stay and complete off the clock or refuse. Enough refusals and you could be looking for a new job.
People are like sheep, latch onto a current cause in some self righteous frenzy. Using details that work well for them and ommitting those pesky ones that don't
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We all would do well to ease away from false accusations which is essentially equivalent to bearing false witness.
Your religion fails me when you think you have the freedom to even advise me on where I shop, including Walmart.
Probably should leave this alone,but as I reread this it ,my understanding is that IRSPro,{anonymous) is wanting to leave the impression I am bearing false witness, but as is typical for comments such as this,no proof,no examples can be provided.
My religion probably does fail you, and I understand why. Many of my views were instilled by my parents and I have never found them wrong in the basic principals they were trying to get across.
When someone has to keep reassuring someone else of his Christianity, watch out. If someone is a christian they do not need to tell you,it cannot be hidden,from there watch your backpocket and then your reputation, one of more will be missing.
Same holds true for those that feel compelled to brag about their accomplishments. If they are the only ones bragging
be very sleptical.
One that is a professional in his trade or career is generally self confident and does not feel the need to brag . If there is a lot of bragging, there is not a lot of substance.
Your religion fails me
This kind of stuff does not indicate a true christian on the other side of this statement.
Neither did the statement by DS supporters. Being alike except for....... you know, she prays.
People that are secure in their own religious experience or in their careers, their home life etc do not need to brag, put down or otherwise try to demeaan another. A true professional in any caree/life activityr does not have to raise himself up by putting the other guy down.
So until you know more abot my religious belief,take a good long hard look at your own.
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Grandma,
Tell Cindy that we thank her for the heads up (my, we would have missed that one, right Bob?) and we will not make the same mistake, but in fact we intend to bring a misuse of process claim to "clean up". And, I would suspect that some of the witnesses, and maybe even co-defendants, would be "counselors". Got plenty of time and we don't have to be out of Iraq by 2011. 2015 is the more logical timeframe for us to be finished, depending how many more we can draw into the fight. After all, if we are conducting an unholy war, might as well bring the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth out so we can convince even the BLIND that there is llight in our facts and the physical evidence supports our claims. Might just prove to be financially rewarding as well!!! But JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL.
Tell Cindy her use of pseudonyms (that NY pseudonym to avoid imaginary service was just delightfully hilarious) and surrogates is preposterous. If she has something to say, stand up like the anti-church WOMAN ( I dare not call her a lawyer) she is and speak her mind. The constitution guarantee's her the right. And she can publicly conduct her own crusade rather than use CHRISTIAN SURROGATES, an oxymoron at best.
That is the view from the bunker today, Grandma.
Gailon, your post is a little confusing. Are you suggesting that Attorney Cindi Randall was helping GrandmaNettie with her recent post regarding legal analysis of the Smith vs. Wal-Mart case (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1050.msg12599.html#msg12599)?
What sort of public crusade were you suggesting? What did you mean by "anti-church"?
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By the way, it is a matter of public record that an Attorney Cindi Randall of 45459 (Dayton, OH or thereabouts) was actively involved in community concerns in 1994. (http://www.city-data.com/elec2/elec-CENTERVILLE-OH.html)
Nothing bad about that.
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Gailon, your post is a little confusing. Are you suggesting that Attorney Cindi Randall was helping GrandmaNettie with her recent post regarding legal analysis of the Smith vs. Wal-Mart case (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1050.msg12599.html#msg12599)?
What sort of public crusade were you suggesting? What did you mean by "anti-church"?
When statements like this are made,is it possible to request the proof of. Or if cannot and are only guessing and giving the impression they know,wouldn't this be heading into the "false witness" catagory.
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By the way, it is a matter of public record that an Attorney Cindi Randall of 45459 (Dayton, OH or thereabouts) was actively involved in community concerns in 1994. (http://www.city-data.com/elec2/elec-CENTERVILLE-OH.html)
Nothing bad about that.
Since I am unfamilar with what took place with Cindi Randell,Gailon and now you have nothing but "Christian contempt".Is it fair to assume the community involvement post here was done with out any hidden motive.
Just interested in maiking known something positive about Cindi Randell All on the up and up as you are plesed to see a lawyer involved in community work.
Somehow I don't think so, glad you are keeping tabs on those you consider enemies
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By the way, it is a matter of public record that an Attorney Cindi Randall of 45459 (Dayton, OH or thereabouts) was actively involved in community concerns in 1994. (http://www.city-data.com/elec2/elec-CENTERVILLE-OH.html)
Nothing bad about that.
What is bad about what is getting done is the asking of affirmation on gossip about someone that Gailon would not be a party to. Repeat lies and innuendo often enough, it becomes truth for some. Tell me, do you think Grandma Nettie or
Cindi Randell would take Gailon into their confidence? Which is the only way he could make such a statement.
What is bad is the pretense behind you now coming in with this.
A confidence is rarely shared with the town crier. Nor would it be shared with those as yourself
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Since I am unfamilar with what took place with Cindi Randell,Gailon and now you have nothing but "Christian contempt".Is it fair to assume the community involvement post here was done with out any hidden motive.
Just interested in maiking known something positive about Cindi Randell All on the up and up as you are plesed to see a lawyer involved in community work.
Somehow I don't think so, glad you are keeping tabs on those you consider enemies
What my post did was show that I had a publicly-available basis for prefixing "Cindi" with the word "Attorney."
What my positive comment did was show that I wasn't trying to be mean and nasty in giving support to my use of that title.
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What is bad about what is getting done is the asking of affirmation on gossip about someone that Gailon would not be a party to.
My understanding is that GrandmaNettie and Cindi are friends.
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What my post did was show that I had a publicly-available basis for prefixing "Cindi" with the word "Attorney."
What my positive comment did was show that I wasn't trying to be mean and nasty in giving support to my use of that title.
This is the first you or others on this forum knew that HUH?? You were just waiting for the publicaly available basis for prefixing "Cindi" with the word attorney. I believe in all things practise makes perfect
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Grandma,
Tell Cindy that we thank her for the heads up (my, we would have missed that one, right Bob?) and we will not make the same mistake, but in fact we intend to bring a misuse of process claim to "clean up". And, I would suspect that some of the witnesses, and maybe even co-defendants, would be "counselors". Got plenty of time and we don't have to be out of Iraq by 2011. 2015 is the more logical timeframe for us to be finished, depending how many more we can draw into the fight. After all, if we are conducting an unholy war, might as well bring the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth out so we can convince even the BLIND that there is llight in our facts and the physical evidence supports our claims. Might just prove to be financially rewarding as well!!! But JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL.
Tell Cindy her use of pseudonyms (that NY pseudonym to avoid imaginary service was just delightfully hilarious) and surrogates is preposterous. If she has something to say, stand up like the anti-church WOMAN ( I dare not call her a lawyer) she is and speak her mind. The constitution guarantee's her the right. And she can publicly conduct her own crusade rather than use CHRISTIAN SURROGATES, an oxymoron at best.
That is the view from the bunker today, Grandma.
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]My understanding is that GrandmaNettie and Cindi are friends.
So what??? This makes Gailon's statement/gossip true??. ******* ******** ****** ****** ******* You are stretching to make a unfounded statement more palatable and in the process see what of this little tidbit can stick to the wall. Doesn't matter if there is fact one behind it,Fact it will become to some
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GrandmaNettie,
To help with the present discussion: Does Attorney Cindi Randall help you at all with your posts?
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I’m really not sure what direction this crazy “conversation” is going but it seems like a perfect time to ask a question I’ve had for awhile. Bob, do you post here under another pseudonym? If so, how many? To your knowledge, does your partner mr. Joy post under multiple identities here?
I don’t much care either way but some might be interested. I will however be most interested in how and if you answer.
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If you don't care either way, why ask?
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I’m really not sure what direction this crazy “conversation” is going but it seems like a perfect time to ask a question I’ve had for awhile. Bob, do you post here under another pseudonym? If so, how many? To your knowledge, does your partner mr. Joy post under multiple identities here?
I don’t much care either way but some might be interested. I will however be most interested in how and if you answer.
It may appear the answer has been given
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I’m really not sure what direction this crazy “conversation” is going but it seems like a perfect time to ask a question I’ve had for awhile. Bob, do you post here under another pseudonym? If so, how many? To your knowledge, does your partner mr. Joy post under multiple identities here?
I don’t much care either way but some might be interested. I will however be most interested in how and if you answer.
It may appear the answer has been given
Yes, I believe it has.
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Maxey, did you miss my question?
If you don't care either way, why ask?
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I’m really not sure what direction this crazy “conversation” is going but it seems like a perfect time to ask a question I’ve had for awhile. Bob, do you post here under another pseudonym? If so, how many? To your knowledge, does your partner mr. Joy post under multiple identities here?
I don’t much care either way but some might be interested. I will however be most interested in how and if you answer.
It may appear the answer has been given
Yes, I believe it has.
I totally agree with both of you, Maxey and Bonnie. With recent developements a lot more may have been shown to us too.
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Maxey, did you miss my question?
If you don't care either way, why ask?
No, Bob I didn't miss your question any more than I missed your answer. As I said, I could care less how many identities you and mr. Joy post under here. It did occur to me that there might be other readers here who would be interested in knowing how often you are talking to yourself. If there are, I think they can adequately read your response.
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Maxey,
This is classic Mr. Robert Pickle methodology . . . he doesn't want to answer your question (just as he has refused to answer if he is a Pastor or a Doctor - both titles he has claimed in the past and never with any verification or proof of licensure in either claim) because he doesn't dare . . . His little dance around the mulbery bush is classic attempts at misdirection and distraction . . . it is another example of claiming to be what he is not . . . however, this time around people are seeing through his thin veil and realizing that his non-answer is indeed an answer . . . it must get awful boring carrying on so many conversations with ones self . . .
Maxey, did you miss my question?
If you don't care either way, why ask?
No, Bob I didn't miss your question any more than I missed your answer. As I said, I could care less how many identities you and mr. Joy post under here. It did occur to me that there might be other readers here who would be interested in knowing how often you are talking to yourself. If there are, I think they can adequately read your response.
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anyman,
I would say that your post is defamatory, as well as unchristian.
And I do not carry on conversations with myself.
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anyman,
I would say that your post is defamatory, as well as unchristian.
And I do not carry on conversations with myself.
I have not noticed Bob carrying on conversations with himself. Perhaps in another 40 years or so?
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His little dance around the mulbery bush is classic attempts at misdirection and distraction . . .
Let's see. This thread is supposed to be about the Smith v. Wal-Mart case, is it not?
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Let's see. This thread is supposed to be about the Smith v. Wal-Mart case, is it not?
Actually wasn't it posted to show your process in a cleaner light and that it would be possible to win against a powerful org. or company?
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Sure. Thanks for the clarification.
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I’m really not sure what direction this crazy “conversation” is going but it seems like a perfect time to ask a question I’ve had for awhile. Bob, do you post here under another pseudonym? If so, how many? To your knowledge, does your partner mr. Joy post under multiple identities here?
I don’t much care either way but some might be interested. I will however be most interested in how and if you answer.
Dear Maxey,
I have never written nor have I posted under a pseudonym. Here or anywhere else!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I’m really not sure what direction this crazy “conversation” is going but it seems like a perfect time to ask a question I’ve had for awhile. Bob, do you post here under another pseudonym? If so, how many? To your knowledge, does your partner mr. Joy post under multiple identities here?
I don’t much care either way but some might be interested. I will however be most interested in how and if you answer.
Bob, did you see my question? Mr. Joy was able to answer concisely.
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And I do not carry on conversations with myself.
Here is your answer, Maxey. The implications should be clear enough.
This is coming from a Moderator.
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And I do not carry on conversations with myself.
Here is your answer, Maxey. The implications should be clear enough.
This is coming from a Moderator.
Thank you moderator. Although I find your message somewhat unclear, I had already accepted that I had Bob's answer on my simple question. I was just giving him the courtesy of providing clarification if he wished.
Thanks again for you diligence.
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Wal-Qaeda.com (http://www.Wal-Qaeda.com/) and Walocaust.com (http://www.Walocaust.com/).
Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.
http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf (http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf)
Bob, winning the battle is not winning the war! Do you shop Walmart? Are you aware of any comparative pricing practices? Which commandment? Are you looking for a bench ruling? Is Joy looking for a bench ruling. Per Se with a jury may be smarting? Who cut the church conduit, you, Joy, or the GC? Cite me any of your most severly demeaning internet URLs.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=WMT&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
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Wal-Qaeda.com (http://www.Wal-Qaeda.com/) and Walocaust.com (http://www.Walocaust.com/).
Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.
http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf (http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf)
Bob, winning the battle is not winning the war! Do you shop Walmart? Are you aware of any comparative pricing practices? Which commandment? Are you looking for a bench ruling? Is Joy looking for a bench ruling. Per Se with a jury may be smarting? Who cut the church conduit, you, Joy, or the GC? Cite me any of your most severly demeaning internet URLs.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=WMT&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
"WINNING" can simply be changing the modus operandi from improper to proper. Winning does not require the destruction or dismantling of the functional business, but rather bringing civil behaviour, such as due process and the rights of stockholders, back into the business processes, rather than non-accountability and using the company as your personal piggybank, then not disclosing it to the contributors/stockholders in the pews.
In fact, winning should lead to changes that reflect a growing respect for the neighbors, the neighborhood and those that support you. Winning can come in finally recognizing others their equal rights.
Winning can also mean gaining restitution for those who have been harmed by the administrative conspiracy to gain control or profits at the expense of the victims. And the perfect win would be having the victims even restored to the status they once enjoyed prior to the defamation and violation of due process.
Then, may they do their business in the tranquility of civil process.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Wal-Qaeda.com (http://www.Wal-Qaeda.com/) and Walocaust.com (http://www.Walocaust.com/).
Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.
http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf (http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf)
Bob, winning the battle is not winning the war! Do you shop Walmart? Are you aware of any comparative pricing practices? Which commandment? Are you looking for a bench ruling? Is Joy looking for a bench ruling. Per Se with a jury may be smarting? Who cut the church conduit, you, Joy, or the GC? Cite me any of your most severly demeaning internet URLs.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=WMT&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
"WINNING" can simply be changing the modus operandi from improper to proper. Winning does not require the destruction or dismantling of the functional business, but rather bringing civil behaviour, such as due process and the rights of stockholders, back into the business processes, rather than non-accountability and using the company as your personal piggybank, then not disclosing it to the contributors/stockholders in the pews.
In fact, winning should lead to changes that reflect a growing respect for the neighbors, the neighborhood and those that support you. Winning can come in finally recognizing others their equal rights.
Winning can also mean gaining restitution for those who have been harmed by the administrative conspiracy to gain control or profits at the expense of the victims. And the perfect win would be having the victims even restored to the status they once enjoyed prior to the defamation and violation of due process.
Then, may they do their business in the tranquility of civil process.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Brother Joy, you seem too charitable with charities with this statement, "Winning can come in finally recognizing others their equal rights." I hope you do not mean that "shareholders in the pews rights are only on a par with management rights!" I didn't have equal rights as a business graduate in mind when the beggers came to our campmeeting. If you are ony looking for equal rights, I now better understand how many of our members can possibly be so naive!
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Wal-Qaeda.com (http://www.Wal-Qaeda.com/) and Walocaust.com (http://www.Walocaust.com/).
Wal-Mart picked on little Charles Smith. He sued, and won.
http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf (http://www.citizen.org/documents/WalmartDecision.pdf)
Bob, winning the battle is not winning the war! Do you shop Walmart? Are you aware of any comparative pricing practices? Which commandment? Are you looking for a bench ruling? Is Joy looking for a bench ruling. Per Se with a jury may be smarting? Who cut the church conduit, you, Joy, or the GC? Cite me any of your most severly demeaning internet URLs.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=WMT&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
"WINNING" can simply be changing the modus operandi from improper to proper. Winning does not require the destruction or dismantling of the functional business, but rather bringing civil behaviour, such as due process and the rights of stockholders, back into the business processes, rather than non-accountability and using the company as your personal piggybank, then not disclosing it to the contributors/stockholders in the pews.
In fact, winning should lead to changes that reflect a growing respect for the neighbors, the neighborhood and those that support you. Winning can come in finally recognizing others their equal rights.
Winning can also mean gaining restitution for those who have been harmed by the administrative conspiracy to gain control or profits at the expense of the victims. And the perfect win would be having the victims even restored to the status they once enjoyed prior to the defamation and violation of due process.
Then, may they do their business in the tranquility of civil process.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Brother Joy, you seem too charitable with charities with this statement, "Winning can come in finally recognizing others their equal rights." I hope you do not mean that "shareholders in the pews rights are only on a par with management rights!" I didn't have equal rights as a business graduate in mind when the beggers came to our campmeeting. If you are ony looking for equal rights, I now better understand how many of our members can possibly be so naive!
Brother Joy, again I repeat you are being to charitable to charities reporting as a 'REPORTER" rather than as a "shareholder in the pew" where the pew owner has invited you in to be wooed into donating without giving you as much voting power as you have for the local church leadership on a once a year basis and once in five years for the conference leadership. I could feature a reporter only wanting to be fair to both sides on a 50/50 basis!
Let me humbly request that you change your "reporter hat" and don the "shareholder hat" so that you may not be viewed as being in the "hip pocket of any BOD!"
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Let's see. This thread is supposed to be about the Smith v. Wal-Mart case, is it not?
Actually wasn't it posted to show your process in a cleaner light and that it would be possible to win against a powerful org. or company?
Proof that WMT won the war!!!!!!!!!!!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=WMT&annual
WMT (All numbers in thousands)
PERIOD ENDING 31-Jan-08 31-Jan-07 31-Jan-06
Total Revenue 378,799,000 348,650,000 315,654,000
Cost of Revenue 286,515,000 264,152,000 240,391,000
Gross Profit 92,284,000 84,498,000 75,263,000
Operating Expenses
Research Development - - -
Selling General and Administrative 70,288,000 64,001,000 56,733,000
Non Recurring - - -
Others - - -
Total Operating Expenses - - -
Operating Income or Loss 21,996,000 20,497,000 18,530,000"
Regional banks and larger are offering me 1.25% APY higher than local banks where beneficiaries may take trustees to task.
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As to the issue of Eqaul Rights, I refer to the administration and its violation repeatedly with due process. People who work for Non-Profits have the same "due process" rights as any other. And non-profits can be the centerpeice of corruption when abused.
What is clear is that 3ABN and DLS did not have proof of wrongdoing regarding Linda sue Shelton. There have been repeated complaints from women and wrongfully terminated employees regarding DLS violations and the board turns a blind eye. Linda's due process rights were repeatedly violated but Danny has yet to face a single charge. IT IS PAST TIME.
Gailon Arthur Joy